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    Meanwhile, Trump is pushing the Commerce Department to save ZTE. Quid pro quo for China;s help with the Trump branded development in Indonesia?

    Trump’s sudden support for Chinese company just became awkward, thanks to his own nominee

    “The report concluded that the risks associated with ZTE’s provision of equipment to U.S. critical infrastructure could undermine American national security interests,” Wyden said. “Do you agree with that bipartisan support?”


    “Senator Wyden, I do,” Evanina replied.


    “They recommended that the United States should view with suspicion the continued penetration of the U.S. telecommunications market by ZTE. Do you agree with that?” Wyden followed up.


    “Yes,” Evanina said.


    Wyden tried to get Evanina to comment on Trump’s tweet, but he declined. Later, however, Evanina told Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) he wouldn’t use a ZTE phone and would recommend that anyone in “any sort of position that is sensitive” avoid using them as well.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-nomi...-446cd9692345/

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    I may have been wrong in saying that the celebration surrounding the embassy opening could have lessened the death toll. Maybe if they’d quietly ramped up the opening over five or six months to dimmish the manic nature an event creates even with a 6 week planned duration.




    2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

    “On 30 March 2018, a six-week campaign composed of a series of protests was launched at the Gaza Strip, near the Gaza-Israel border. Called by Palestinian organizers the "Great March of Return", the protests demand that Palestinian refugees and their descendants be allowed to return to what is now Israel.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests


    Palestinians say over a dozen killed in Gaza border protest | World news | The Guardian

    “At least 16 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds wounded by Israeli forces in Gaza, Palestinian medics have said, as protesters kicked off a planned six-week demonstration demanding the right of return for refugees.

    Gaza clashes: UN secretary general calls for 'transparent' investigation

    Israel’s military said 17,000 Palestinians were “rioting” in six locations in the Gaza strip on Friday, rolling burning tires at the security fence and its troops, which it said responded “with riot dispersal means and firing towards main instigators”.

    On Friday night, the UN secretary general, António Guterres, called for an independent investigation into deadly clashes as the Palestinian ambassador, Riyad Mansour, voiced his disappointment that the security council did not condemn what he called a “heinous massacre” of peaceful demonstrators.” ...”


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...protest-israel
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    I may have been wrong in saying that the celebration surrounding the embassy opening could have lessened the death toll. Maybe if they’d quietly ramped up the opening over five or six months to dimmish the manic nature an event creates even with a 6 week planned duration.

    2018 Gaza border protests - Wikipedia

    “On 30 March 2018, a six-week campaign composed of a series of protests was launched at the Gaza Strip, near the Gaza-Israel border. Called by Palestinian organizers the "Great March of Return", the protests demand that Palestinian refugees and their descendants be allowed to return to what is now Israel.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests


    Palestinians say over a dozen killed in Gaza border protest | World news | The Guardian

    “At least 16 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds wounded by Israeli forces in Gaza, Palestinian medics have said, as protesters kicked off a planned six-week demonstration demanding the right of return for refugees.

    Gaza clashes: UN secretary general calls for 'transparent' investigation

    Israel’s military said 17,000 Palestinians were “rioting” in six locations in the Gaza strip on Friday, rolling burning tires at the security fence and its troops, which it said responded “with riot dispersal means and firing towards main instigators”.

    On Friday night, the UN secretary general, António Guterres, called for an independent investigation into deadly clashes as the Palestinian ambassador, Riyad Mansour, voiced his disappointment that the security council did not condemn what he called a “heinous massacre” of peaceful demonstrators.” ...”


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...protest-israel
    It is always hard to speculate in hypotheticals. The deaths in the protests resulted from the actions of the military there, so you could say it wasn't because of the opening of the embassy. However, if the embassy wasn't opened, it is likely there wouldn't have been protests there that day.

    I think that whether the opening was done quietly or covertly the Palestinians would have still noticed and probably still would have protested it. However, if it was not as visible or high profile, it is possible the protests would have attracted fewer people and perhaps the military would have responded differently to a smaller or quieter crowd. However, it is also true this is not the first protest with deaths in this region. There is a long history of animosity and conflict here which is easily triggered or escalated.

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    From "I know nothing about a payment to Stormy Daniels" to "Oh, you mean that $130,000. Totally slipped my mind."

    BREAKING: Trump admits debt to Cohen for Stormy Daniels payoff
    After months of denials, the president finally acknowledges the truth.


    In a federal financial disclosure released Wednesday, President Trump acknowledged his $130,000 debt to his attorney, Michael Cohen, for a hush money payment Cohen made to adult film star Stormy Daniels.


    In last year’s form, Trump did not acknowledge the debt, which watchdog groups and ethics advocates say is a violation of federal law.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-admi...-67ff8e43edaf/

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    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/hamas-s...bers-1.3932653

    Most of the protesters killed this week by Israeli fire along the border with the Gaza Strip were members of Hamas, the militant group said Wednesday, an admission that deepens the starkly different narratives on both sides over the deaths.

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    Assassinations? ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    From "I know nothing about a payment to Stormy Daniels" to "Oh, you mean that $130,000. Totally slipped my mind."

    BREAKING: Trump admits debt to Cohen for Stormy Daniels payoff
    After months of denials, the president finally acknowledges the truth.


    In a federal financial disclosure released Wednesday, President Trump acknowledged his $130,000 debt to his attorney, Michael Cohen, for a hush money payment Cohen made to adult film star Stormy Daniels.


    In last year’s form, Trump did not acknowledge the debt, which watchdog groups and ethics advocates say is a violation of federal law.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-admi...-67ff8e43edaf/
    The problem with this is that it’s not related to the original issue of potential Russian collusion. This stuff is almost expected and won’t surprise any voters at all. It’s right in line with who they voted for. Bill Clinton’s impeachment problem might have been a bit of a surprise to voters but I doubt many voters changed their minds about Clinton. So all it does is highlight just one more politician in a long string of politicians that screw around and try to keep it secret. Apparently JFK did so with media collusion. Clinton less so. ...

    For Trump, any impeachment calls coming out of this will just be seen as a which hunt as it was with Clinton.
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    It does, however, connects through Michael Cohen who is known to have made contact with various Russians along with others. If Stormy Daniels figures into it, it might be that she is simply the break that exposed the Trump/Cohen wrongdoing. Nobody is saying that Marilyn Monroe or Monica Lewinsky were also coluding with Russians or were involved in money laundering or had been paid off by Kennedy or Clinton to keep them quiet.

    Trump will probably regret using the same lawyer for both business and personal matters.

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    Gee, where have we seen the leader of a nation declare that some people are less than human? Let me think....

    Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

    Trump's remarks were reminiscent of his first press conference as a presidential candidate in 2015, when he said the United States had become a "dumping ground" for people other countries didn't want.


    "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said then. "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ies/617252002/

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    Trump is right yet again - MS-13 gang members aren't people. They are animals.


    MS-13 stabs man 100 times, beheads corpse and rips out heart


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8071051.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Trump is right yet again - MS-13 gang members aren't people. They are animals.


    MS-13 stabs man 100 times, beheads corpse and rips out heart


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8071051.html

    Gangs are a growing problem elsewhere too. Interesting comment:

    JANUARY 17, 2018

    Swedish PM does not rule out use of army to end gang violence

    “...
    "People are shot to death in pizza restaurants, people are killed by hand grenades they find on the street," Sweden Democrat leader Jimmie Akesson said in parliament on Wednesday.

    "This is the new Sweden; the new, exciting dynamic, multicultural paradise that so many here in this assembly ... have fought to create for so many years," he said sarcastically. ...”


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1F629L





    Sweden Democrats leader Åkesson: 'I support immigration'

    18 June 2017

    Jimmie Åkesson, leader of the populist Sweden Democrats (SD) party, was interrupted twice as he spoke to a hostile crowd at the Järvaveckan cross-party political forum on Saturday.

    Åkesson, who claimed in his speech to support immigration, also said that immigrants must understand how Swedish society works, reports news agency TT.

    ...
    “I think one theme is democracy and an important part of democracy is dialogue. To be able to talk to each other without using ugly words and yelling and instead showing respect for each other’s opinions,” Åkesson said after resuming his speech.

    He was interrupted a second time a few minutes later.

    The Sweden Democrats leader was also met with applause when he said that another important part of democracy was that “you do not have to listen”.
    ...

    A recent opinion poll from Sweden's largest statistics agency suggests that the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats have taken the lead over the opposition Moderate Party as Sweden's second-largest political party.

    The party, which has roots in the neo-Nazi movements of the 1990s, has an official zero-tolerance approach to racism.

    But several elected Sweden Democrat politicians have been forced to vacate their seats over anti-Semitic or racist statements over the years....


    https://www.thelocal.se/20170618/swe...rt-immigration
    Sweden's deadly problem with hand grenades - BBC News

    “There is very little evidence that the migrants are to blame for a rise in violent crime. But Sweden - so often the place that countries have looked to follow on social policy - has not been so successful at integrating migrants over the past 20 years.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43667367


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    At least the Associated Press is being honest:


    "AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members."

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472



    Watch how many other media outlets follow suit. (they won't)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    At least the Associated Press is being honest:


    "AP has deleted a tweet from late Wednesday on Trump’s “animals” comment about immigrants because it wasn’t made clear that he was speaking after a comment about gang members."

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/997138543817449472



    Watch how many other media outlets follow suit. (they won't)
    You know that as a fact? I heard it on CNN early this morning with an apology.

    When will we ever hear an apology from Trump who lies 5 times a day.

    At least the press are honorable and forthright.
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    It's interesting that MS-13 originated in the US in the 1980's. So it's really an American gang.

    It's also interesting that Trump has had no problem associating with other organized crime figures. Of course, those guys wear suits and used to hang out in his casinos.

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    Immigrants simply need to be welcomed and economically integrated into society and not left to a dog eat dog system where they are at a natural disadvantage due to discrimination, less that optimum skills, etc.

    While I don’t agree with racist discriminatory “points” driven systems and would prefer more of a random selection process, our points system does create better odds of integration due to prioritizing desired skills. No matter what though, there needs to be coordinated long term support system put in place to ensure all immigrants can become “productive members” of society.
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    Trudeau calls for independent investigation into Israel’s ‘excessive force’ against civilians
    ROBERT FIFE, OTTAWA
    PUBLISHED MAY 16, 2018

    Dr. Tarek Loubani is pictured in Gaza on May 14, 2018. Still in his hospital greens, which identified him as a doctor to IDF snipers.




    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...tinian-doctor/

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has deplored the shooting of a Canadian-Palestinian doctor by an Israeli sniper and called for an independent investigation into Israel’s use of live ammunition against civilians.


    Mr. Trudeau issued a statement on Wednesday decrying as “inexcusable” the use of “excessive force.”


    “We are appalled that Dr. Tarek Loubani, a Canadian citizen, is among the wounded – along with so many unarmed people, including civilians, members of the media, first responders, and children,” Mr. Trudeau said in the strongest criticism his government has ever levelled against Israel. “Canada calls for an immediate independent investigation to thoroughly examine the facts on the ground – including any incitement, violence, and the excessive use of force.”


    Dr. Loubani was shot in both legs by an Israeli sniper on the Gaza border Monday as clashes between Palestinian protesters and Israeli Defence Forces left at least 60 dead. More than 2,700 Palestinians suffered injuries, including 1,359 from live ammunition.


    Israel had deployed two brigades and at least 100 snipers along the Gaza frontier as tens of thousands of Palestinians protested against the inauguration of the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem.


    British Prime Minister Theresa May and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres have also called for an independent inquiry, expressing concern about the volume of live fire used by Israeli forces. The United States blocked the adoption of a UN Security Council statement on Tuesday that would have called for an independent probe. The United States blames the deaths on Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza and which encouraged the protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Immigrants simply need to be welcomed and economically integrated into society and not left to a dog eat dog system where they are at a natural disadvantage due to discrimination, less that optimum skills, etc.

    While I don’t agree with racist discriminatory “points” driven systems and would prefer more of a random selection process, our points system does create better odds of integration due to prioritizing desired skills. No matter what though, there needs to be coordinated long term support system put in place to ensure all immigrants can become “productive members” of society.
    What was the American motto to immigrants



    Trump's version

    Give me your white, your English speaking, your well educated yearning to breathe smog (since I am getting rid of the EPA), The wealthy elites of my golf club resorts by the sandy shore. Send the young beautiful women, the porn stars, the Russian oligarchs to me, as I worship my reflection at the Trump Hotel's golden door!
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    “Kim Jong Un, he really has been very open and I think very honorable from everything we’re seeing.” - Donald Trump, April 24, 2018

    North Korea says won’t hold talks with ‘incompetent’ South unless differences settled

    Ri criticized the South for participating in the drills, as well as for allowing “human scum” to speak at its National Assembly, the North’s KCNA news agency said in a statement.


    “Unless the serious situation which led to the suspension of the north-south high-level talks is settled, it will never be easy to sit face to face again with the present regime of south Korea,” the statement said.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/nor...ences-settled/

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    And it just happens that the one company willing to help out Jared is linked with Qatar. Total coincidence I'm sure.

    Kushners Near Deal With Qatar-Linked Company for Troubled Tower

    The company controlled by the family of the White House adviser Jared Kushner is close to receiving a bailout of its financially troubled flagship building by a company with ties to the government of Qatar, according to executives briefed on the deal.


    Charles Kushner, head of the Kushner Companies, is in advanced talks with Brookfield Properties over a partnership to take control of the 41-story aluminum-clad tower 666 Fifth Avenue in Midtown, according to two real estate executives who have been briefed on the pending deal but are not authorized to discuss it. Brookfield is a publicly traded company, headquartered in Canada, one of whose major investors is the Qatar Investment Authority.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/n...gtype=Homepage
    And this.

    Jared Kushner about to get bailed out of $1.8B disaster by besieged Qatar

    Jared’s father Charles Kushner—freshly returned from prison after pleading guilty to 18 counts of making illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering—claimed that he met with Qatar as a courtesy back in April 2017. The Kushner company stated they had already determined that it would not be “appropriate” for Kushner to take a loan backed by the Qatar government.


    Instead, Kushner and Trump went almost immediately off to Saudi Arabia, where Kushner was joined by Donald Trump in supporting a near-coup that overturned the kingdom’s line of succession. The pair then gave the Saudis their long desired go-ahead to blockade their smaller neighbor—an action that Trump has since supported in numerous tweets and statements.


    But since then, Kushner got a $184M loan backed by Qatar, and now Kushner is suddenly on the brink of getting a major investment from the tiny US ally, with a minor layer of paint over its origins. If that sounds to you like Kushner was turned down by Qatar, looked on Saudi ambitions as a way to punish the people who turned him down, then waited with one hand on his empty wallet for Qatar to ask for forgiveness, you’re not crazy.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...besieged-Qatar
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    Why not both?

    John Bolton may be trying to sabotage Trump's North Korea summit—but he also might just be an *****

    It's impossible to overstate just how incompetent new Trump national security adviser and ex-Bush United Nations representative John Bolton is. The man is a military-minded Larry Kudlow.


    Bolton's repeated public declarations that he anticipates North Korean disarmament to follow the "Libya model"—an abandonment of the nation's nuclear program in exchange for a promise of United States non-involvement that the United States would freely break soon afterward, with the leader who negotiated that agreement ending up quite thoroughly dead—has of course not been taken kindly to by the North Korean figures Team Trump would be negotiating with. To North Korean leaders, Libya is precisely the fate they wish to avoid—the entire reason for having a nuclear program to begin with. Repeatedly invoking a denuclearization deal that directly or indirectly led to the overthrow and execution of another nation's dictator would seem to be a sublimely stupid negotiation tactic—unless, perhaps, it is not incompetence but intended.


    “It pushes all the wrong buttons,” said Joe Cirincione, president of Ploughshares Fund, which seeks to reduce and eventually eliminate nuclear weapons. “The diplomacy with North Korea is going very well and Bolton threw a spanner in the works. ”


    It may have been intentional. Bolton has long taken a hard line with North Korea, and had called for regime change in the country, rationalized preemptive military action and opposed direct talks with Kim’s government before joining the White House last month.
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...st-be-an-*****

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Gee, where have we seen the leader of a nation declare that some people are less than human? Let me think....
    hmmmm... seeing as how you asked:

    even without going back to nazi descriptives or even further back to those used in the crusades or the inquisitions, it wasn’t that long ago that Raed Salah published the following poem in an Islamic Movement periodical:

    “You Jews are criminal bombers of mosques,
    Slaughterers of pregnant women and babies.
    Robbers and germs in all times,
    The Creator sentenced you to be loser monkeys,
    Victory belongs to Muslims, from the Nile to the Euphrates."

    Kamal Khatib, deputy leader of the northern branch of the Islamic movement, referred to Jews as "fleas".

    The Saudi schoolbook curriculum for the 8th grade included (still includes?) the following statements:

    “They are the people of the Sabbath, whose young people God turned into apes, and whose old people God turned into swine to punish them.”

    The apes are Jews, the keepers of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christian infidels of the communion of Jesus.” and

    “Some of the people of the Sabbath were punished by being turned into apes and swine.”

    Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."

    i'm sure anyone who wanted could expand this list and the thread to great length even without posting a reposting large photographs.

    dthis brief, abbreviated list isn’t intended in any way to excuse the donald and his ill-considered uncouth mutterings but he certainly isn’t the first to declare those who are different as being less than human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    “Kim Jong Un, he really has been very open and I think very honorable from everything we’re seeing.” - Donald Trump, April 24, 2018

    North Korea says won’t hold talks with ‘incompetent’ South unless differences settled

    Ri criticized the South for participating in the drills, as well as for allowing “human scum” to speak at its National Assembly, the North’s KCNA news agency said in a statement.


    “Unless the serious situation which led to the suspension of the north-south high-level talks is settled, it will never be easy to sit face to face again with the present regime of south Korea,” the statement said.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/nor...ences-settled/
    ... and things were going so nicely for the last, but really this can't be much of a surprise.

    The land of little Kim is a place where people can suddenly and unexpectedly go from being honorable to pond scum depending on the mood of the dear leader and perhaps how well some one sucks up to him. Of course, I am sure people there are used to it - one day the dear leader says white is white, the next day he says black is white and they are all just supposed to nod their heads and say he is a great genius and and was right all along and ignore any inconsistencies and lies. Sort of like Trump world I guess.

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    No, it doesn't excuse Trump and the others but I was specifically thinking of the more well known example.

    And it's funny that you'd bring up a Saudi textbook since they are such a close ally of the USA and as well as being a behind the scenes sometimes ally of Israel. Enemy of my enemy in regards to Iran and all that. Amazing what people are willing to overlook.

    Of course, it's not limited to just one side.

    Do Not Dehumanize Muslims and Liken Them to Dangerous Animals

    In an international conference on November 19 in Israel that was attended by France’s ambassador to Israel, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu likened Muslims to “dangerous animals” that must be defeated, adding, “The beasts increasingly have a name — it is radical Islam.” On November 18 Netanyahoo’s minister of economy Naftali Bennet said, “[Israel] should have killed more [Arabs] because anyone who lifts a hand against Israel must die.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/akbar...b_8636904.html
    And

    New deputy defense minister called Palestinians ‘animals’


    Jewish Home MK Eli Ben Dahan to oversee the authorization of travel and entry permits for Palestinians in West Bank, Gaza

    As part of the coalition agreement reached between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Jewish Home party on Thursday, MK Eli Ben Dahan, a rabbi who’s made controversial statements about Palestinians and non-Jews, will serve as Israel’s next deputy defense minister.


    Under the new job description, Ben Dahan, who served as the deputy religious affairs minister in the previous government, will also be responsible for the IDF’s Civil Administration running government affairs in the West Bank.


    Ben Dahan has made controversial remarks about Palestinians. While discussing the resumption of peace talks in a radio interview in 2013, Ben Dahan said that “To me, they are like animals, they aren’t human.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-dep...nians-animals/
    Anyone, ANYONE that dehumanizes people deserves to be called out for it by all people of conscience. Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Atheist. Anyone.
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    So apparently what has come out about Cohen and his shady dealings is only the tip of the iceberg: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ancial-records

    The report also refers to two previous suspicious-activity reports, or sars, that the bank had filed, which documented even larger flows of questionable money into Cohen’s account. Those two reports detail more than three million dollars in additional transactions—triple the amount in the report released last week. Which individuals or corporations were involved remains a mystery. But, according to the official who leaked the report, these sars were absent from the database maintained by the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or fincen. The official, who has spent a career in law enforcement, told me, “I have never seen something pulled off the system. . . . That system is a safeguard for the bank. It’s a stockpile of information. When something’s not there that should be, I immediately became concerned.” The official added, “That’s why I came forward.”

    Seven former government officials and other experts familiar with the Treasury Department’s fincen database expressed varying levels of concern about the missing reports. Some speculated that fincen may have restricted access to the reports due to the sensitivity of their content, which they said would be nearly unprecedented. One called the possibility “explosive.” A record-retention policy on fincen’s Web site notes that false documents or those “deemed highly sensitive” and “requiring strict limitations on access” may be transferred out of its master file. Nevertheless, a former prosecutor who spent years working with the fincen database said that she knew of no mechanism for restricting access to sars. She speculated that fincen may have taken the extraordinary step of restricting access “because of the highly sensitive nature of a potential investigation. It may be that someone reached out to fincen to ask to limit disclosure of certain sars related to an investigation, whether it was the special counsel or the Southern District of New York.” (The special counsel, Robert Mueller, is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. The Southern District is investigating Cohen, and the F.B.I. raided his office and hotel room last month.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Trudeau calls for independent investigation into Israel’s ‘excessive force’ against civilians
    ROBERT FIFE, OTTAWA
    PUBLISHED MAY 16, 2018

    Dr. Tarek Loubani is pictured in Gaza on May 14, 2018. Still in his hospital greens, which identified him as a doctor to IDF snipers.




    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...tinian-doctor/

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has deplored the shooting of a Canadian-Palestinian doctor by an Israeli sniper and called for an independent investigation into Israel’s use of live ammunition against civilians.


    Mr. Trudeau issued a statement on Wednesday decrying as “inexcusable” the use of “excessive force.”


    “We are appalled that Dr. Tarek Loubani, a Canadian citizen, is among the wounded – along with so many unarmed people, including civilians, members of the media, first responders, and children,” Mr. Trudeau said in the strongest criticism his government has ever levelled against Israel. “Canada calls for an immediate independent investigation to thoroughly examine the facts on the ground – including any incitement, violence, and the excessive use of force.”


    Dr. Loubani was shot in both legs by an Israeli sniper on the Gaza border Monday as clashes between Palestinian protesters and Israeli Defence Forces left at least 60 dead. More than 2,700 Palestinians suffered injuries, including 1,359 from live ammunition.


    Israel had deployed two brigades and at least 100 snipers along the Gaza frontier as tens of thousands of Palestinians protested against the inauguration of the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem.


    British Prime Minister Theresa May and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres have also called for an independent inquiry, expressing concern about the volume of live fire used by Israeli forces. The United States blocked the adoption of a UN Security Council statement on Tuesday that would have called for an independent probe. The United States blames the deaths on Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza and which encouraged the protests.
    Doesn't this look a little staged? His shoes on, no swelling, no blood, no discoloration - just some gauze and intravenous that somehow might be available to a doctor.

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    Right, it is all a conspiracy...

    And his fellow medical co-workers were not shot and/or killed...

    Get frigging real.
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    Yes because he was just getting ready to jog after having been shot in both legs and the remaining doctors that extracted the Israeli sniper bullets thought that was a fine idea. And the miraculous cures and recoveries allow no swelling or bruising from bullets that appear to have directly penetrated the shin bones.

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    Trudeau calls for independent investigation into Israel’s ‘excessive force’ against civilians
    ROBERT FIFE, OTTAWA
    PUBLISHED MAY 16, 2018

    Dr. Tarek Loubani is pictured in Gaza on May 14, 2018. Still in his hospital greens, which identified him as a doctor to IDF snipers.




    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...tinian-doctor/

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has deplored the shooting of a Canadian-Palestinian doctor by an Israeli sniper and called for an independent investigation into Israel’s use of live ammunition against civilians.


    Mr. Trudeau issued a statement on Wednesday decrying as “inexcusable” the use of “excessive force.”


    “We are appalled that Dr. Tarek Loubani, a Canadian citizen, is among the wounded – along with so many unarmed people, including civilians, members of the media, first responders, and children,” Mr. Trudeau said in the strongest criticism his government has ever levelled against Israel. “Canada calls for an immediate independent investigation to thoroughly examine the facts on the ground – including any incitement, violence, and the excessive use of force.”


    Dr. Loubani was shot in both legs by an Israeli sniper on the Gaza border Monday as clashes between Palestinian protesters and Israeli Defence Forces left at least 60 dead. More than 2,700 Palestinians suffered injuries, including 1,359 from live ammunition.


    Israel had deployed two brigades and at least 100 snipers along the Gaza frontier as tens of thousands of Palestinians protested against the inauguration of the U.S. embassy in Jerusalem.


    British Prime Minister Theresa May and United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres have also called for an independent inquiry, expressing concern about the volume of live fire used by Israeli forces. The United States blocked the adoption of a UN Security Council statement on Tuesday that would have called for an independent probe. The United States blames the deaths on Hamas, the Islamist group that controls Gaza and which encouraged the protests.
    Doesn't this look a little staged? His shoes on, no swelling, no blood, no discoloration - just some gauze and intravenous that somehow might be available to a doctor.

    A little staged?

    Trudeau? Like the world listens to boy blunder

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    The North Koreans can expect the same dedication to keeping their word that the Americans showed towards Iran. i.e. - None.

    Trump distances himself from key advisor's remark on North Korea, says summit planning continues

    Earlier this week, when the North Koreans threatened to back out of the summit between leader Kim John Un and Trump, they cited Bolton by name.


    “The Libyan model isn’t a model that we have at all,” Trump told reporters during a photo session with the visiting secretary general of NATO. “We decimated that country.”


    By contrast, if the U.S. reaches a deal with North Korea, Kim will “get protections that will be very strong,” Trump said. “He will have very adequate protection.”

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The North Koreans can expect the same dedication to keeping their word that the Americans showed towards Iran. i.e. - None.

    Trump distances himself from key advisor's remark on North Korea, says summit planning continues

    Earlier this week, when the North Koreans threatened to back out of the summit between leader Kim John Un and Trump, they cited Bolton by name.


    “The Libyan model isn’t a model that we have at all,” Trump told reporters during a photo session with the visiting secretary general of NATO. “We decimated that country.”


    By contrast, if the U.S. reaches a deal with North Korea, Kim will “get protections that will be very strong,” Trump said. “He will have very adequate protection.”

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html
    So are you saying that the only probable outcome will be the US bombing NK?

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    So apparently what has come out about Cohen and his shady dealings is only the tip of the iceberg: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ancial-records

    The report also refers to two previous suspicious-activity reports, or sars, that the bank had filed, which documented even larger flows of questionable money into Cohen’s account. Those two reports detail more than three million dollars in additional transactions—triple the amount in the report released last week. Which individuals or corporations were involved remains a mystery. But, according to the official who leaked the report, these sars were absent from the database maintained by the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, or fincen. The official, who has spent a career in law enforcement, told me, “I have never seen something pulled off the system. . . . That system is a safeguard for the bank. It’s a stockpile of information. When something’s not there that should be, I immediately became concerned.” The official added, “That’s why I came forward.”

    Seven former government officials and other experts familiar with the Treasury Department’s fincen database expressed varying levels of concern about the missing reports. Some speculated that fincen may have restricted access to the reports due to the sensitivity of their content, which they said would be nearly unprecedented. One called the possibility “explosive.” A record-retention policy on fincen’s Web site notes that false documents or those “deemed highly sensitive” and “requiring strict limitations on access” may be transferred out of its master file. Nevertheless, a former prosecutor who spent years working with the fincen database said that she knew of no mechanism for restricting access to sars. She speculated that fincen may have taken the extraordinary step of restricting access “because of the highly sensitive nature of a potential investigation. It may be that someone reached out to fincen to ask to limit disclosure of certain sars related to an investigation, whether it was the special counsel or the Southern District of New York.” (The special counsel, Robert Mueller, is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. The Southern District is investigating Cohen, and the F.B.I. raided his office and hotel room last month.)
    Fascinating!

    Same article:

    “Things that stand out as abnormal, like documents being removed from a system, are of grave concern to me.” Of the potential for legal consequences, the official said, “To say that I am terrified right now would be an understatement.” But, referring to the released report, as well as the potential contents of the missing reports, the official also added, “This is a terrifying time to be an American, to be in this situation, and to watch all of this unfold.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ancial-records

    Bolding mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The North Koreans can expect the same dedication to keeping their word that the Americans showed towards Iran. i.e. - None.

    Trump distances himself from key advisor's remark on North Korea, says summit planning continues

    Earlier this week, when the North Koreans threatened to back out of the summit between leader Kim John Un and Trump, they cited Bolton by name.


    “The Libyan model isn’t a model that we have at all,” Trump told reporters during a photo session with the visiting secretary general of NATO. “We decimated that country.”


    By contrast, if the U.S. reaches a deal with North Korea, Kim will “get protections that will be very strong,” Trump said. “He will have very adequate protection.”

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html
    So are you saying that the only probable outcome will be the US bombing NK?
    More of what Trump said.


    Trump's warning to Kim Jong-un: make a deal or suffer same fate as Gaddafi

    Donald Trump has threatened Kim Jong-un with the same fate as Muammar Gaddafi if the North Korean leader “doesn’t make a deal” on his nuclear weapons programme.


    The US president issued the threat at t he White House when he was asked about the recent suggestion by his national security adviser, John Bolton, that the “Libyan model” be a template for dealing with North Korea at a summit between Trump and Kim planned for 12 June in Singapore.


    The model Bolton was referring to was Gaddafi’s agreement in December 2003 to surrender his embryonic nuclear weapons programme, which included allowing his uranium centrifuges to be shipped out to the US.

    But Trump appeared to be unaware of that agreement, and interpreted the “Libyan model” to mean the 2011 Nato intervention in Libya in support of an insurrection, which ultimately led to Gaddafi’s murder at the hands of rebels in Tripoli.


    “The model, if you look at that model with Gaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don’t make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong-un is going to be very, very happy,” Trump said, suggesting that the regime’s survival could be assured if Kim agreed to disarm.


    “This with Kim Jong-un would be something where he would be there. He would be running his country. His country would be very rich,” the president said.


    “We’re willing to do a lot, and he’s willing … to do a lot also, and I think we’ll actually have a good relationship, assuming we have the meeting and assuming something comes of it. And he’ll get protections that will be very strong.”

    Asked whether his comments meant that he disagreed with his national security adviser, the third of his administration, the president said: “I think when John Bolton made that statement, he was talking about if we are going to be having a problem, because we cannot let that country have nukes. We just can’t do it.”


    Joel Wit, a former US negotiator who is now a senior fellow at the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins University, said: “This is probably the wrong time to be making threats, three weeks before the summit.”


    The inflammatory comments come at a time when the June meeting is in doubt. The regime in Pyongyang reacted strongly against statements by Bolton over the weekend, who insisted North Korea would have to dismantle its nuclear arsenal completely and immediately. A senior official said on Wednesday that Kim would not take part in a summit with such “one-sided” goals.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ong-un-gaddafi


    So let's recall what happened to Gaddafi, shall we?

    Donald Trump offers ‘protections’ to North Korea if they will just hand over their nukes

    A quick reminder of how the Libyan Model ended, courtesy of Wikipedia…


    A video appears to picture Gaddafi being poked or stabbed in the anus "with some kind of stick or knife" or possibly a bayonet ... Pulled onto the front of a pick-up truck, he fell off as it drove away. ... Gaddafi's corpse was placed in the freezer of a local market alongside the corpses of Yunis Jabr and [his son] Mutassim; the bodies were publicly displayed for four days, with Libyans from all over the country coming to view them

    Who wouldn’t sign up for that.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...er-their-nukes

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    So, what are you trying to say?

    Which will it be:
    A peaceful settlement?
    Continued verbal hostility and sanctions?
    Bombing?
    Other?

    What would be your plan, or advice (of substance)?

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    First, I'd get Bolton out of the picture.
    Second, stop sucking up to Kim and giving the attention and legitimacy that he craves.
    Third, stop showing your hand before you even begin negotiations.

    Is an American attack likely? I don't think so because you'd involve China and likely Russia.
    Is an American attack possible? Certainly, since Trump is convinced that he knows more than the generals and since he's calling the shots, it would all work out swimmingly.

    The sanctions are only truly effective as long as China is on board with them. As soon as they lift any sanctions, then Kim has no reason to chat with Donald other than to get pictures of Trump treating as an equal. To him, that would be a win.

    The Kims haven't been pursuing nuclear weapons for decades just to give them up for some vague promises that Trump in all likelihood wound't keep anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    First, I'd get Bolton out of the picture.
    Second, stop sucking up to Kim and giving the attention and legitimacy that he craves.
    Third, stop showing your hand before you even begin negotiations.

    Is an American attack likely? I don't think so because you'd involve China and likely Russia.
    Is an American attack possible? Certainly, since Trump is convinced that he knows more than the generals and since he's calling the shots, it would all work out swimmingly.

    The sanctions are only truly effective as long as China is on board with them. As soon as they lift any sanctions, then Kim has no reason to chat with Donald other than to get pictures of Trump treating as an equal. To him, that would be a win.

    The Kims haven't been pursuing nuclear weapons for decades just to give them up for some vague promises that Trump in all likelihood wound't keep anyway.
    So under your plan, do they get to keep their nukes or do they have to denuclearize?

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    How do you suggest dealing with them? They're not going to trust any agreement the Americans made since Trump can just walk away at any time as he did with Iran.

    Only one country has given up their nuclear weapons, that being South Africa. Iran has made an agreement that every signatory except the Trump administration agrees has been working. That basically take a negotiated settlement off the table.

    Like Iran, North Korea isn't suicidal. They know that any use of their nukes would be met with an attack of the same. China would turn on them. They'd be signing their death warrant.

    Of all the various options, letting them keep what they've got is the best of a bad selection of options.

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    Amazing how Trump frothed at the mouth for the entire campaign about his views that the Clinton Foundation was a 'pay-to-play' scheme.

    Meanwhile Trump, his family and his lawyer are all on the overt 'pay-to-play' scheme and extorting money from corporations and countries.

    THE KUSHNERS ARE FINALLY GETTING THAT SWEET, SWEET QATARI CASH
    Qatar, under siege, opens its pocketbook to help save 666 Fifth
    Last month, in an effort to push back on the growing consensus that his eldest son may be an *****, Charlie Kushner sat down with CNN to claim that the decision to buy 666 Fifth Avenue, a Midtown tower that has become an albatross around Kushner Cos.’s neck, was not Jared’s but his. “I pushed Jared to do the deal,” Charlie insisted, despite the fact that Jared had been the de facto C.E.O. at the time the deal was being negotiated. His father, in fact, was busy making wallets at a prison camp in Alabama, where he was serving time for, among other things, setting up his brother-in-law with a prostitute, taping the encounter, and sending it to his sister in retaliation for turning state’s evidence. But we digress. Regardless of whose idea it was to buy 666 Fifth—what was then the most expensive building in New York City history, on the eve of the financial crisis—, the deal was a disaster. The building’s biggest tenants fled during the recession. The Kushners had to refinance, selling a 49.5 percent stake in the building to Vornado Realty Trust in exchange for a portion of the debt. Still, the mortgage ballooned. The entire $1.2 billion balance is due in 2019, and the property is bleeding money.


    The result has been a slow-motion, failed fire sale, with the Kushners trying to find someone, anyone, to bail them out. In 2017, it looked like Anbang Insurance Group, a Chinese holding company with ties to the Chinese government, might bite, but they backed out when the heat on Jared—suddenly a West Wing adviser—got too hot. Charlie even sat down with Qatar’s finance minister, Ali Sharif Al Emadi, in 2017, but the talks allegedly went nowhere.

    Why did those talks go nowhere? As Charlie Kushner told CNN, Kushner Cos. takes pains to avoid even the perception of a conflict of interest. Indeed, the firm’s lawyer “reminds dealmakers weekly of the company’s self-imposed ban on financing from foreign governments.” Kushner the Elder even went so far to admit it was “stupid” of him to meet with Al Emadi in 2017, saying he accepted the invite purely “out of respect” for the Qataris to tell them there was no way “we could do business.”

    Getting a bail out from a company with “extensive ties” to Qatar, though? Apparently that’s a-O.K.!


    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...ookfield-qatar
    EXTORTION is such a descriptive word...
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    According to Bolton, Trump doesn't need to prepare because he can instinctively size up Kim and tell if he's being honest.

    Part of the problem is that Trump is beginning to actually believe what he says. He's losing sight of the fact that a lot of what he says is just ******** designed to make himself look "good" to his followers.

    Yeah, how's that working out for you?

    Here is how badly North Korea’s Kim Jong-un suckered a gullible Donald Trump

    One interpretation Panda offered was that the North Koreans “effectively thought the U.S. wasn’t being serious, was running sort of an arrogant victory lap before the talks had taken place, and was still setting up complete denuclearization as the benchmark. So they put out a statement saying that we can’t really meet on the basis of that because we’re not going to give up our nuclear weapons.


    “None of this is surprising to people who have been watching the Korean peninsula for a long time,” Panda concluded. “North Korea has taken a similar approach to talks with the United States before, but the Trump administration, either willfully or by accident, simply hasn’t paying attention to the details.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/bad...-donald-trump/

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    How dare you play back a clip of me refuting what I just said I never said. Unfair!

    ‘Unfair!’ Rudy Giuliani explodes when CNN’s Cuomo plays clip of him saying presidents must obey subpoenas

    Cuomo then rolled the clip of Giuliani being interviewed by Charlie Rose in which Rose directly asked him about whether a president must obey a subpoena to testify — and Giuliani said he did.


    Giuliani at this point began ranting at Cuomo and accused him of being “unfair” to him simply for playing back arguments he made 20 years ago.


    “That’s really unfair!” Giuliani fumed. “That’s extremely unfair what you’re doing right now! This is the reason people don’t come on this show!”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/unf...bey-subpoenas/

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    Some of your narrations addressed to you are getting confusing.
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    Did China Just Bribe Trump to Undermine National Security?
    By Paul Krugman
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/1...-security.html
    The story so far: In the past few years ZTE, a Chinese electronics company that, among other things, makes cheap smartphones, has gotten into repeated trouble with the U.S. government. Many of its products contain U.S. technology — technology that, by law, must not be exported to embargoed nations, including North Korea and Iran. But ZTE was circumventing the ban.

    Initially, the company was fined $1.2 billion. Then, when it became clear that the company had rewarded rather than punished the executives involved, the Commerce Department forbade U.S. technology companies from selling components to ZTE for the next seven years.
    And two weeks ago the Pentagon banned sales of ZTE phones on military bases, following warnings from intelligence agencies that the Chinese government may be using the company’s products to conduct espionage.
    All of which made it very strange indeed to see Trump suddenly declare that he was working with President Xi of China to help save ZTE — “Too many jobs in China lost” — and that he was ordering the Commerce Department to make it happen.

    It’s possible that Trump was just trying to offer an olive branch amid what looks like a possible trade war. But why choose such a flagrant example of Chinese misbehavior? Which was why many eyes turned to Indonesia, where a Chinese state-owned company just announced a big investment in a project in which the Trump Organization has a substantial stake.

    That investment, by the way, is part of the Belt and Road project, a multinational infrastructure initiative China is using to reinforce its economic centrality — and geopolitical influence — across Eurasia. Meanwhile, whatever happened to that Trump infrastructure plan?

    Back to ZTE: Was there a quid pro quo? We may never know. But this wasn’t the first time the Trump administration made a peculiar foreign policy move that seems associated with Trump family business interests. Last year the administration, bizarrely, backed a Saudi blockade of Qatar, a Middle Eastern nation that also happens to be the site of a major U.S. military base. Why? Well, the move came shortly after the Qataris refused to invest $500 million in 666 Fifth Avenue, a troubled property owned by the family of Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law.

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    Qatar may be about to make a deal on 666 Fifth Avenue, a troubled property owned by the family of Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law.
    CreditKarsten Moran for The New York Times
    And now it looks as if Qatar may be about to make a deal on 666 Fifth Avenue after all. I wonder why?

    Step back from the details and consider the general picture. High officials have the power to reward or punish both businesses and other governments, so that undue influence is always a problem, even if it takes the form of campaign contributions or indirect financial rewards via the revolving door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Some of your narrations addressed to you are getting confusing.
    I was just paraphrasing Rudy "Noun, verb, 9//11" Gulianni

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    The Trumpers are banging the drums of war.

    Mike Pompeo Promises To 'Crush' Iran And Achieve A Better Deal

    Tensions between the U.S. and Iran will likely only grow in the months ahead as hard-liners there gain power by pushing the narrative that the West cannot be trusted and the Trump administration continues to try and look tough.


    Experts who watched Pompeo’s speech called his demands unrealistic and some predicted that when Iran inevitably fails to meet them, the U.S. will use it as justification for military intervention.


    “Pompeo has not outlined a strategy, but rather a grab bag of wishful thinking that can only be interpreted as a call for regime change in Iran,” tweeted Suzanne Maloney, a former State Department official during the George W. Bush administration.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b07309e05aa0be

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    Yup, being played like a three dollar banjo alright.

    Arms Control, Trump-Style
    The president’s last foray into international negotiations doesn’t bode well for his Kim meeting.

    No one should have been surprised by Kim’s refusal to give away his sole strategic asset. What put Trump into a tizzy was the Wednesday statement by North Korea’s top negotiator, stating that Pyongyang was not interested in the “Libya model” of disarmament (which Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton had publicly proposed) and that the summit, scheduled for June 12 in Singapore, wasn’t worth holding unless Washington agreed that the goal should be “denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula” (not just of North Korea), achieved by “phased, synchronous measures” (not all at once or with North Korea making its move first, as Trump and his advisers have demanded). This has been Kim’s position all along, and, by the standards of arms-control accords struck over the decades by other countries, including the United States, it’s quite reasonable.


    Nor should Kim’s firm grasp of the issues have come as a shock. Though he’s young and a barbaric dictator, he’s no *****; he’s been out in the world, having been educated at a Swiss boarding school; he has been the driving force behind his country’s success in assembling a nuclear arsenal. And when it comes to nuclear weapons, studiousness is a family tradition. When his father, Kim Jong-il, met with President Clinton’s secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, in 2000, to hammer out a possible treaty to bar North Korea from building ballistic missiles, Albright’s staff members—who attended the meeting—were stunned that Kim had mastered every detail and could discuss them without consulting his own aides. (Clinton’s term ended before a deal could be reached; George W. Bush had no interest in resuming where Albright left off.)


    In short, Trump is sleepwalking into a potentially historic summit with a determined leader who knows what he has and, more importantly, what he wants—while, until very recently, Trump has shown no awareness that this knowledge is fundamental to diplomacy, to leadership, to making a smart deal.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...m-meeting.html

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    No kidding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The Trumpers are banging the drums of war.

    Mike Pompeo Promises To 'Crush' Iran And Achieve A Better Deal

    Tensions between the U.S. and Iran will likely only grow in the months ahead as hard-liners there gain power by pushing the narrative that the West cannot be trusted and the Trump administration continues to try and look tough.


    Experts who watched Pompeo’s speech called his demands unrealistic and some predicted that when Iran inevitably fails to meet them, the U.S. will use it as justification for military intervention.


    “Pompeo has not outlined a strategy, but rather a grab bag of wishful thinking that can only be interpreted as a call for regime change in Iran,” tweeted Suzanne Maloney, a former State Department official during the George W. Bush administration.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b07309e05aa0be
    OK. The USA crushes Iran like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then what? ISIS moves into the vacuum?

    I though Trump had an America First policy and vowed not to start any wars...

    Oh yeah, this is just another flip flop.
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    We may not get a summit but at least there's souvenirs.

    If all else fails with U.S.-North Korean diplomacy, at least we’ll have this weird coin
    Kim Jong-Un indicated that a meeting with Trump in June might not happen, and no one has more to lose than Trump right now.



    It feels like only a short time ago that President Donald Trump was insulting North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, engaging in name calling and threats everywhere from Twitter to the floor of the United Nations.


    And yet, on Monday, CNN’s Jim Acosta tweeted an image of a commemorative coin that marks the potential upcoming U.S.-North Korea summit.





    There are three problems with that, though:


    The summit has not yet happened.


    The summit might not happen, as Kim has serious reservations about U.S. demands.


    Kim’s title is not “Supreme Leader,” as indicated on the coin. While probably flattering, that is the title of Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. As The Week points out, Kim’s actual title, “Dear Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un, Chairman of the Workers’ Party of Korea, Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and Supreme Commander of the Korean People’s Army” is too long. Still, “Respected Comrade” or “Chairman” seems more accurate.

    https://thinkprogress.org/president-...-9471756a8560/

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    OK. The USA crushes Iran like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then what? ISIS moves into the vacuum?


    It would be pretty idiotic to wage war against Iran, no doubt. But ISIS would not "move in to the vacuum" in Iran. Iran is predominantly Shia, and Persian. ISIS is Sunni and Arab. That being said, I have no doubt that the Republican Guard of Iran would have a insurgency plan cooked up that would make Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Libya look like a cake walk by comparison.

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    Wonder why the military and intelligence agencies were caught off guard by Trump's declaration that the Qatari government was supporting terrorism? As always with Trump, it comes down to money.

    The Princes, The President And The Fortune Seekers

    WASHINGTON (AP) — After a year spent carefully cultivating two princes from the Arabian Peninsula, Elliott Broidy, a top fundraiser for President Donald Trump, thought he was finally close to nailing more than $1 billion in business.


    He had ingratiated himself with crown princes from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, who were seeking to alter U.S. foreign policy and punish Qatar, an archrival in the Gulf that he dubbed “the snake.”


    To do that, the California businessman had helped spearhead a secret campaign to influence the White House and Congress, flooding Washington with political donations.


    Broidy and his business partner, Lebanese-American George Nader, pitched themselves to the crown princes as a backchannel to the White House, passing the princes’ praise — and messaging — straight to the president’s ears.


    Now, in December 2017, Broidy was ready to be rewarded for all his hard work.


    It was time to cash in.


    In return for pushing anti-Qatar policies at the highest levels of America’s government, Broidy and Nader expected huge consulting contracts from Saudi Arabia and the UAE, according to an Associated Press investigation based on interviews with more than two dozen people and hundreds of pages of leaked emails between the two men. The emails reviewed by the AP included work summaries and contracting documents and proposals.


    The AP has previously reported that Broidy and Nader sought to get an anti-Qatar bill through Congress while obscuring the source of the money behind their influence campaign. A new cache of emails obtained by the AP reveals an ambitious, secretive lobbying effort to isolate Qatar and undermine the Pentagon’s longstanding relationship with the Gulf country.

    https://crooksandliars.com/2018/05/p...-and-pedophile

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    Gee, ya think?

    How Trump Got Punked By Kim Jong-Un

    Again, look at the timeline.


    March 8th: Trump agrees to meet with Kim.


    April 27th: Inter-Korean Summit at the DMZ.


    May 9th: North Korea releases three U.S. citizens from custody.


    May 10th: Trump announces summit will take place on June 12th in Singapore.


    After all this, it was just five days later when the North Koreans canceled a planning meeting and began signaling that “denuclearization” was not up for debate. It’s all pretty clear (and this was widely predicted by area experts). Kim waited and waited and waited, fluffed and fluffed and fluffed until Trump had locked himself into a time and a place, before threatening to cancel and saying publicly North Korea would not give up its nuclear weapons. This way Trump is either faced with attending the summit, in which the two men will meet as equals and nuclearization will not be up for discussion, or canceling a meeting upon which Trump has banked so much both domestically and internationally.


    Two days ago a “U.S. official” was left to lament to The Washington Post: “It doesn’t look like they want to denuclearize at all.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog...by-kim-jong-un

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT
    OK. The USA crushes Iran like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then what? ISIS moves into the vacuum?


    It would be pretty idiotic to wage war against Iran, no doubt. But ISIS would not "move in to the vacuum" in Iran. Iran is predominantly Shia, and Persian. ISIS is Sunni and Arab. That being said, I have no doubt that the Republican Guard of Iran would have a insurgency plan cooked up that would make Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or Libya look like a cake walk by comparison.
    ISIS, warlords, religious extremists, dictators, Putin puppet states, whatever.

    If Trump thinks they can take on Iran halfway around the world and win a clear victory and have it all run by Haliburton with no casualties on the American side, Trump will find that wars are a little more complex than he thinks.

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    Watch for a repeat of Iraq except they won't allow the Shia to hold government jobs, including the military. Meanwhile, the Sunni occupiers backed up by the US of A, quickly start oppressing the Shia. Torture makes a comeback. And Trump will be shocked, shocked I say, when there's a rebellion against the invasion.

    Yeah, sounds like a can't lose proposition.

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    Per Newsweek

    TRUMP HAS 15 MILLION FAKE TWITTER FOLLOWERS
    BY BRENDAN COLE ON 5/22/18

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    Jared Kushner: Security clearance restored for Trump's son-in-law - BBC News

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44232917

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Jared Kushner: Security clearance restored for Trump's son-in-law - BBC News

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44232917

    Hmm, really, interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Jared Kushner: Security clearance restored for Trump's son-in-law - BBC News

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44232917
    It took 18 months for Kushner to finally pass his security clearance after may errors, omissions and false claims.

    Would you trust a new driver who took 18 months and numerous tests to pass their drivers test? I wouldn't. Let alone as a supposedly smart person in high office that is in a position of trust. I don't trust Kushner one bit.

    BTW, getting a security clearance does no vindicate Kushner of the multiple investigations of his activities are stopping. In fact he is still subject to investigation and may be charged for possible Federal and State crimes.
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    Donald Trump made 25 false claims last week, nine on Twitter
    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...n-twitter.html
    WASHINGTON—U.S. President Donald Trump made 25 false claims last week. Nine of them came during the public portion of his meetings with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. Nine of them came on Twitter.


    Trump also made a claim that highlights how he sometimes bends the facts for his own purposes even when he is not saying something that is definitively false.


    During a speech to the families of police officers who died on the job, Trump told the story of Rogelio Martinez, a Border Patrol agent who died in 2017.


    Trump noted that Martinez “bravely confronted the cartels, the smugglers, the human traffickers, the gangs that threaten our communities.” And then, right after that, he said, “One night, last November, Agent Martinez died in the line of duty. It was horrific. It was violent.”


    Trump was clearly suggesting that Martinez was murdered by a violent criminal. But that does not appear to be the case. The FBI announced in February that it had found no evidence Martinez was attacked. In an internal memo that month, then-acting U.S. Customs and Border Protection chief Kevin McAleenan told his staff that he believed Martinez “fell into a nine-foot-deep culvert,” the Washington Post reported.


    We cannot call Trump’s claim false: though it appears likely false, there is no conclusive proof either way. Still, it’s worth noting. Trump is now up to 1,591 false claims for the first 486 days of his presidency, an average of 3.3 per day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    We may not get a summit but at least there's souvenirs.

    If all else fails with U.S.-North Korean diplomacy, at least we’ll have this weird coin
    Kim Jong-Un indicated that a meeting with Trump in June might not happen, and no one has more to lose than Trump right now.



    It feels like only a short time ago that President Donald Trump was insulting North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un, engaging in name calling and threats everywhere from Twitter to the floor of the United Nations.


    And yet, on Monday, CNN’s Jim Acosta tweeted an image of a commemorative coin that marks the potential upcoming U.S.-North Korea summit.





    There are three problems with that, though:


    The summit has not yet happened.


    The summit might not happen, as Kim has serious reservations about U.S. demands.


    Kim’s title is not “Supreme Leader,” as indicated on the coin. While probably flattering, that is the title of Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. As The Week points out, Kim’s actual title, “Dear Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un, Chairman of the Workers’ Party of Korea, Chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and Supreme Commander of the Korean People’s Army” is too long. Still, “Respected Comrade” or “Chairman” seems more accurate.

    https://thinkprogress.org/president-...-9471756a8560/
    Breaking News


    Trump announces this morning that the Summit is off...




    Now, what is going to happen to all those commemorative coins that were made with taxpayers money? I guess Trump can hand them out to his golfing buddies at Mar-a-Lago...

    I wonder if Trump is going to retract his multiple personal applications for the Nobel Peace Prize?



    What a dork...


    Meanwhile...

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    "Know when to walk away from the table"


    - Donald J Trump in The Art of The Deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    "Know when to walk away from the table"- Donald J Trump in The Art of The Deal
    As usual you're trying to put lipstick on a pig....

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    The art of the deal - the book Trump didn't write or even have much to do with.

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    ...and Trump did not even read.
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    You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
    Know when to walk away and know when to run.
    You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
    There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

    -Kenny Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    "Know when to walk away from the table"


    - Donald J Trump in The Art of The Deal
    He shouldn't have been at the table in the first place. It was a massive boost in recognition and legitimization for him to, on a whim, agree to meet with Kim without preconditions or significant preliminary discussions. Hell, Trump called Kim "honorable" at one point because he actually thought he had a chance at winning a Nobel Peace Prize if he kissed Kim's posterior enough. It's a massive embarrassment for Trump and the US the way this has transpired. Everyone who knew anything about NK knew that this or something similar would happen.

    International diplomacy is complicated and should be left to the experts, especially when it involves nuclear weapons. US foreign policy is a laughing stock right now, given what's happened with NK and Iran. The US is isolating itself from it's own allies, which reduces it's clout and influence.
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    The international community is laughing at the foolish President.

    When are the Republicans going to realize that their Emperor is wearing no clothes and is a complete buffoon?

    Or will the Republicans go down without a whimper on the HMS Trump thinking it is unsinkable when the upper decks are awash and listing 40 degrees to port in the seas of lies, money and criminal activities that are the mark of a traitor to his Office and Country?
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    Meanwhile, the governments of South Korea and Japan said "Wait, what????" This sounds like his promise that Mexico would pay for his wall.

    Trump threatens war against North Korea — and says South Korea and Japan will pay for it

    President Donald Trump on Thursday threatened to go to war with North Korea if it kept behaving badly — and he said that our allies in Japan and South Korea would pay for it.


    During his formal announcement on withdrawing from a planned summit with North Korea, Trump said that both South Korea and Japan “are willing to shoulder much of the cost of any financial burden, any of the costs associated by the United States in operations” if the United States is “forced” to attack North Korea.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/tru...apan-will-pay/

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    He doesn't understand that international diplomacy isn't a real estate deal or an episode of The Apprentice.

    ‘A classic example of his incompetence’: Korea expert explains how Trump botched Kim nuke talks

    Writing on Twitter, Jannuzi says that the problem started when the president misread the reasons that Kim was willing to engage in negotiations in the first place. While granting that Trump’s “maximum pressure” campaign did help, he said that the election of South Korean President Moon Jae-in — and his subsequent efforts to start peace talks — was arguably an even more important factor.


    “Not understanding WHY diplomacy was an option, no surprise Trump badly mishandled opportunity he was gifted,” he writes. “He continued to threaten the DPRK — Libya Model references — even during immediate run-up to the summit.”


    Jannuzi then takes aim at Trump’s bizarre letter to North Korean leader Kim Jong-un — and he noted that the letter is difficult to comprehend even for native English speakers, let alone for the governments in North and South Korea.


    “Trump’s early morning letter is a classic example of his incompetence — barely coherent, full of internal contradictions, at once conciliatory and deeply provocative, threatening, in essence, a nuke strike on DPRK,” he writes. “The letter should NEVER have been sent.”


    And yet, the letter was sent. Jannuzi says that the North Koreans will interpret this as showing that Trump cannot be a reliable negotiating partner for any kind of peace treaty.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/cla...im-nuke-talks/

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    Overall the letter was well written and cordial EXCEPT the line that Trump probably dictated that his nukes were bigger than Kim's nukes. That spoiled the whole letter.
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    Pence says that they'll do to North Korea what they did to Libya.

    For some reason North Korea acts 'hostile' to the suggestion that the US will overthrow their government once they no longer have nukes.

    Trump cancels the deal and threatens North Korea with nukes in the letter.


    So much winning, Art of the deal, etc. etc.

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    Little Kim flip flops around so much, kind of like Trump. I wouldn't trust either of them and I doubt they trust each other, so perhaps best not to meet now.

    I think Kim has also concluded the better strategy is to quit being quite so overtly threatening, without actually formally agreeing to give up anything, so no need for a meeting. He was clever to be belligerent enough to cause Trump to cancel the meeting instead, but not so belligerent as to cause great concern for the rest of the world. His nuclear program has probably just gone underground or into hibernation for a while, to reappear when he decides it is again useful or needed, perhaps the next time Trump makes some rash threats against his country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    Pence says that they'll do to North Korea what they did to Libya.

    For some reason North Korea acts 'hostile' to the suggestion that the US will overthrow their government once they no longer have nukes.

    Trump cancels the deal and threatens North Korea with nukes in the letter.


    So much winning, Art of the deal, etc. etc.
    I never did understand the Libya thing. It is probably close to the biggest US blunder in the last 25 years, up there with Saddam Hussein's missing chemical weapons.

    For years Qaddafi was an international menace and then he decided it was better to play nice. His reward was getting over thrown by the US - don't think the rest of the world didn't notice, they did. Sure he treated his people badly, but so do dozens of other dictators around the world. I suppose he outlived his usefulness to the US and they overthrew him because it was not too difficult and there was oil there.

    Now Libya is a total mess and Iraq too. The US has spent billions on propping things up for years and now fighting against ISIS. I suppose they are a rich country and it is their money to waste, but there is only so much foolishness and bad decisions even a great power can get away with until its power is drained or dissipates and the rest of the world stops taking them seriously.

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    Contrary to your first sentence. You do understand the whole Libya thing.

    This is what the US does and has done since the days of Theodore Roosevelt and banana republics.
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    It takes a special kind of stupid to make Kim look like the reasonable one but Trump somehow managed to do exactly that.

    International relations expert baffled by Trump’s bizarre summit cancellation: He makes ‘North Korea look reasonable’

    As to what happens next, Denmark believes that Trump has harmed American credibility through his impulsive decisions to first accept the North Korea meeting, and then just as hastily back out of it.


    “Coming just a few hours after North Korea demolished its nuclear test site, it guarantees that the US takes the blame for undermining diplomacy,” Denmark explains. “North Korea comes out looking like the reasonable one.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/int...ok-reasonable/

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    It's quite worthwhile to read the summit cancellation later. Preferably in Alec Baldwin or Stephen Colbert's "Trump" voice. It's totally bizarre: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d05a355e4382

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Contrary to your first sentence. You do understand the whole Libya thing.

    This is what the US does and has done since the days of Theodore Roosevelt and banana republics.
    I realize the US does not mind to get messy with regime change when it thinks it is in their interest and necessary, but I thought the people at the state department were a bit smarter than this. Qaddafi was no spring chicken and had already been defanged and declawed, all they had to do was play nice for a while, wait a few years and find a successor to groom. They could have got to the same end without spending as much, destroying the country and damaging their international reputation.

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    Trump on Fox and Friends today about the immigration court system:

    "We’re the only country essentially that has judges. They want to hire thousands of judges. Other country have- the other countries have- it’s called security people. People that stand there and say, ‘you can’t come in.’ We have thousands of judges, and they need thousands of more… judges. The whole system is corrupt, it’ horrible. So yeah, you need thousands of judges based on this crazy system. Who ever heard of a system where you put people through trials? Where do these judges come from? You know judges are very special person. How do you hire thousands of people to be a judge? So, it’s ridiculous. We’re going to change the system, we have no choice for the good of our country."

    How can you possibly defend this man, it's literally the definition of old man yells at cloud.
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    Trump is the judge, jury and executioner. He has already decided that immigrants are the worst people, rapists, murders and gang members.

    Shoot them first and ask questions later. No need for judges or let refugees tell about the oppression which caused them to flee their home country. Trump will ensure that American oppression of immigrants, Muslims and people of color are oppressed more here than anywhere. The BEST oppression, YUGE! Make America White Again!
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    maybe the us should stop fighting him and let the donald put in place exactly what he wants in terms of american immigration policy.

    they should just attach two conditions:

    1. it should be retroactive to the day before his father friedrich immigrated to the us.

    2. it should be retroactively repealed the day after his father's immigration to the us is denied and the donald is deported to germany.
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    Since the summit is now called off, it's time to pick up your summit souvenirs at clear out prices.

    White House Gift Shop item of the day: Trump—Kim Summit Coins



    Actually, this coin is not that coin. Not the official WHCA coin pictured above which was announced and displayed for an event that isn’t happening. This is another coin, one whose fearful visage has yet to be glimpsed by the public. And for only $19.99, you can get this coin, complete with velvet case, as a tribute to a meeting that was arranged without thought, handled without care, and ended in the spirit of rancor, thoughtlessness, and a threatened exchange of nuclear weapons. Hell, buy two.

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    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...m-Summit-Coins

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    Trump is so disappointed that his new Hanoi Trump Hotel plans and 8 new North Korea golf course projects have been shelved. He now has to look for another low wage country to make his suits and ties. Puerto Rico and Haiti turned him down and the Democratic Republic of Congo is still miffed by Trump's shitzhole country comments. Maybe he can have the made in Putin's Siberian Gulag #13...

    Trump had his plans to MNKGA...
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    He wanted his name of the Ryugyong Hotel. The Trump Tower Pyongyang


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    It was all about Trump's ego? Say it isn't so!

    The Guardian view on the North Korea summit: a crisis foretold
    Donald Trump’s meeting was all about grabbing plaudits for his over-sized ego rather than a serious effort to achieve peace on the Korean peninsula

    But calling off the summit will make it harder than ever to bridge the gulf – as will doing so hours after the North blew up tunnels at a nuclear test site, albeit that that was a symbolic not substantial measure. What has been lost? Less than Mr Trump claims. The Singapore meeting was welcome because it was better than military action. But it handed North Koreans an easy victory, granting them status without any concessions on their part. It was likely neither to clear the way for a deal, nor to close one – and it could well have gone badly awry, with even worse results. The real problem is not that the summit is off, but that it was ever scheduled with so little thought and care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...risis-foretold

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    There's that 'three dollar banjo' moment.
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    And Kim just unplugged the amp...
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    Now that is funny!
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    Trump Trumped by surprise meeting and he was NOT invited.

    Nobody wanted him to play along with his 3 dollar banjo...


    North and South Korean leaders hold surprise meeting
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/26/polit...ain/index.html
    Seoul, South Korea (CNN)The leaders of North and South Korea met Saturday for a second time, South Korea's presidency announced.

    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in held a surprise meeting at the Demilitarized Zone, the South Korean presidency said in a statement.

    Kim Jong Un, left, and Moon Jae-in embrace after Saturday's meeting at the DMZ.


    The two leaders "exchanged their opinions" on among other things successfully carrying out a future US-North Korea summit, according to the statement. President Donald Trump canceled a June 12 summit with Kim this week, then told reporters Friday he's still open to a meeting.
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    From that well known lefty site, The Wall Street Journal

    Israeli psych-ops firm diagrammed dirty Trump tricks in PowerPoint presentation — and Mueller has a copy

    An Israel-based private intelligence firm made a Power Point presentation in which it appears to have bragged about the ways in which it used social media dirty tricks to help the Trump campaign, the Wall Street Journal reports. The presentation was uploaded and featured pages on making fake news sites, using “avatar seeding” to get fake news in front of groups and infiltrating opposition to seed discord, such as using a pro-Bernie Sanders Facebook group to radicalize supporters against Hillary Clinton.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/isr...-mueller-copy/

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    This is hilarious. Don’t stop until you’ve read the comments.



    Donald Trump’s ‘phoney’ source was a White House official - National | Globalnews.ca

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    “was prosecuted by former FBI director James Comey “



    Donald Trump Considering Pardon for Martha Stewart...

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...artha-stewart/

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    He may be above the law.

    Trump: 'I have the absolute right to PARDON myself'
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/trum...on-myself.html

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    Lowest unemployment since 2000? Is that right? If it is, wow!

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...mployment-rate

    I bet that was all Obama!! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Lowest unemployment since 2000? Is that right? If it is, wow!

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...mployment-rate

    I bet that was all Obama!! LOL!
    Yeah, pretty much it was.

    BTW, Trump is claiming it's the lowest in 50 years which, surprise, surprise, it isn't.


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    Pretty amazing though.

    Got a longer term graph? And not unemployment as that’s near useless in such debates when one thinks about it.



    The Best Measure of Labor Market Health Shows Every State Needs Stronger Job Growth Policies


    Economic Snapshot • By David Cooper • November 5, 2014

    Though the country has come a long way from the depths of the Great Recession—with unemployment falling considerably over the past five years—a significant portion of the drop in unemployment is due to job-seekers giving up on the job search and dropping out of the labor force.

    The clearest measure of true labor market health is the prime-age employment-to-population (EPOP) ratio—the percentage of the population ages 25 to 54 with a job. Looking only at the population ages 25 to 54 excludes changes in the EPOP that might be driven by the aging of the population or more young people going to school.
    ...

    https://www.epi.org/publication/the-...owth-policies/
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    Was just responding to H.L. using the same criteria. Most Trump supporters tend to concentrate on the portion that starts in 2016 and ignore everything that came before. They do the same thing with the stock market and others.

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    This is up to date. Shows that it is still under Jan., 2007 by 1.1%.

    Employment-to-population ratio of workers ages 25-54, 2006–2018 | State of Working America

    http://stateofworkingamerica.org/cha...ruly-stunning/




    More:

    Prime-Age Employment Rate Surges in February

    Written by Dean Baker
    Published: 09 March 2018


    “The prime-age (ages 25-54) employment rate rose 0.3 percentage points in February to 79.3 percent, a new high for the recovery. It rose 0.5 percentage points for men and 0.2 percentage points for women.

    The employment-to-population ratio (EPOP) for prime-age men now stands 1.2 percentage points above its year-ago level, while the rate for women is 0.7 percentage points above its year-ago level.

    This is consistent with the view that thereZ z are still many workers who are outside the workforce, but will return in response to a strong labor market. The implication is that there is still considerable slack in the labor market and there is little reason for the Federal Reserve to rush forward with interest rate hikes.”

    http://cepr.net/blogs/cepr-blog/jobs-flash-2018-03
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    Let's see what he was saying in 2015, shall we?

    Donald Trump: Unemployment rate might very well be 40 percent
    The Washington Times - Thursday, July 16, 2015


    The Bureau of Labor Statistics put the national unemployment rate at 5.3 percent in June.


    “You know, somebody actually last week said we have a 40 percent unemployment [rate], so I’ve been saying 19 to 21 percent,” Mr. Trump said. “But somebody actually came out last week and said we have a 40 percent [rate], and they might very well be right.”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...very-well-be-/

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    Trump got them employed, gotta love that. They just said on the news, employers are going to keep on hiring..

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