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    We reserve the right to treat our employees as badly as we want to.

    House conservatives protest LGBT protection in Mexico-Canada trade deal

    Protections in the new North American trade pact for LGBTQ people are roiling conservative lawmakers in the House, who are urging President Donald Trump to rescind them.


    They are displeased that the new U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement contains requirements that workers be protected from discrimination on the basis of sex, including sexual orientation and gender identity.


    “A trade agreement is no place for the adoption of social policy,” reads the letter, which carries the names of 40 lawmakers and was sent Friday. “It is especially inappropriate and insulting to our sovereignty to needlessly submit to social policies which the United States Congress has so far explicitly refused to accept.”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...de-pact-977288

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    U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement

    Funny how Mexico and Canada have free healthcare while the US and a bunch of "3rd world countries" don't.

    That gives American companies an unfair advantage over Canada and Mexico who have higher embedded costs.

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    More of Trump's "fine people"

    Authorities find a rocket launcher and pipe bombs during massive Florida white supremacist stingAuthorities also seized “several pounds” of meth and fentanyl.


    Prosecutors accused one man, 31-year-old Richard Mormon, of having “at least two fully functional pipe bombs” though authorities were unsure what he planned on doing with them.


    The United Aryan Brotherhood is, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the nation’s oldest prison-based white supremacist group. The Anti-Defamation League reported that Unforgiven is a Florida-based neo-Nazi prison group whose insignia “consists of an interlocking Iron Cross and swastika, with SS lightning bolts in the center.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/aut...emacist-sting/

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    And just like Kim and Putin, Trump will declare that he denied it and that should be good enough.

    CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination

    The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.


    The CIA’s assessment, in which officials have said they have high confidence, is the most definitive to date linking Mohammed to the operation and complicates the Trump administration’s efforts to preserve its relationship with a close ally. A team of 15 Saudi agents flew to Istanbul on government aircraft in October and killed Khashoggi inside the Saudi consulate, where he had come to pick up documents that he needed for his planned marriage to a Turkish woman.


    In reaching its conclusions, the CIA examined multiple sources of intelligence, including a phone call that the prince’s brother Khalid bin Salman, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, had with Khashoggi, according to the people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence. Khalid told Khashoggi, a contributing columnist to The Washington Post, that he should go to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to retrieve the documents and gave him assurances that it would be safe to do so.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.ad9d9f98bd44

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement

    Funny how Mexico and Canada have free healthcare while the US and a bunch of "3rd world countries" don't.

    That gives American companies an unfair advantage over Canada and Mexico who have higher embedded costs.

    Health care in South Korea is not free.

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    Last edited by overoceans; 17-11-2018 at 12:51 PM.

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    And your point is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement

    Funny how Mexico and Canada have free healthcare while the US and a bunch of "3rd world countries" don't.

    That gives American companies an unfair advantage over Canada and Mexico who have higher embedded costs.

    Health care in South Korea is not free.

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    That’s not necessarily so. Many companies have to cover health care or pay more to their employees who have to buy health care. In Canada the costs are spread out amongst a lot of taxpayers.

    So larger successful US companies may be the ones with higher embedded costs.

    Basically deregulated, non-universal or non-optimized insurance systems create inefficiencies and high costs for the paricipants. In the past thd US traded optimization and universal coverage for exclusion of the highest risk candidates and an incredibly over complex (to the advantage of the insurers) and bureaucratic private sector system.

    It’s an uneven playing field. So some exporting companies with low cost labour will avoid the socialized costs faced by competition in other countries and do have lower embedded costs but larger established unionized, highly skilled or specialized exporting companies that have to hire more trained and specialized labour or pay unionized labour benefits could be expected to pay the higher than lower-averaged-universal-cost-foreign-competitor-embedded-costs. Eg US car companies were probably at a severe disadvantage.

    Ideally a country could game the system to have domestic industries subsidize the exporting industries to the point of enabling the exporters to capture the highest margin export business (NOT market share but MOST PROFITABLE share).

    Also, it seems to me that the more generally advanced the US becomes the greater the income and benefit disparities become (haves and have nots in terms of health care coverage) and so the higher the burden on the high skill/tech export companies that require the haves through pay or coverage. (The have nots save some costs but create a whole lot of other societal costs.)

    They have immediate access and low wait times which potentially greatly aids business by minimizing downtime but that coverage comes at a high cost compared to universal coverage.
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    Yeah, they're spectacular except for all the torture and killing and dismemberment bombing civilians and all that stuff. Just look at the money!

    Trump promises intel report on Khashoggi murder 'over the next two days'

    Upon departing the White House on Saturday morning for a trip to survey damage from wildfires in California, Trump heralded Saudi Arabia as a “spectacular ally” — two days after his administration leveled sanctions against 17 Saudi officials for Khashoggi's death. The president demurred on any potential involvement by the crown prince.


    “As of this moment we were told that he did not play a role,” Trump told reporters. “We’re going to have to find out what they have to say.

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    ”“You know, we also have a great ally in Saudi Arabia,” the president said. “They give us a lot of jobs and a lot of business and economic development. They have been a truly spectacular ally in terms of jobs and economic development.”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-gulen-1000487

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
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    U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement

    Funny how Mexico and Canada have free healthcare while the US and a bunch of "3rd world countries" don't.

    That gives American companies an unfair advantage over Canada and Mexico who have higher embedded costs.

    Health care in South Korea is not free.

    link
    That’s not necessarily so. Many companies have to cover health care or pay more to their employees who have to buy health care. In Canada the costs are spread out amongst a lot of taxpayers.

    So larger successful US companies may be the ones with higher embedded costs.

    Basically deregulated, non-universal or non-optimized insurance systems create inefficiencies and high costs for the paricipants. In the past thd US traded optimization and universal coverage for exclusion of the highest risk candidates and an incredibly over complex (to the advantage of the insurers) and bureaucratic private sector system.

    It’s an uneven playing field. So some exporting companies with low cost labour will avoid the socialized costs faced by competition in other countries and do have lower embedded costs but larger established unionized, highly skilled or specialized exporting companies that have to hire more trained and specialized labour or pay unionized labour benefits could be expected to pay the higher than lower-averaged-universal-cost-foreign-competitor-embedded-costs. Eg US car companies were probably at a severe disadvantage.

    Ideally a country could game the system to have domestic industries subsidize the exporting industries to the point of enabling the exporters to capture the highest margin export business (NOT market share but MOST PROFITABLE share).

    Also, it seems to me that the more generally advanced the US becomes the greater the income and benefit disparities become (haves and have nots in terms of health care coverage) and so the higher the burden on the high skill/tech export companies that require the haves through pay or coverage. (The have nots save some costs but create a whole lot of other societal costs.)

    They have immediate access and low wait times which potentially greatly aids business by minimizing downtime but that coverage comes at a high cost compared to universal coverage.
    No, your point of bringing up South Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    And your point is?
    The map lists health care in South Korea as free. Health care in South Korea is NOT free. So I'm wondering what kind of research went into producing that map.

    FWIW, health care in South Korea IS pretty reasonable, even factoring in paycheque deductions and out-of-pocket fees.

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    Well Canada's healthcare is not free either. We pay into it and/or our employers pay into it. Moreover there are additional costs not covered BUT if you have a major healthcare issue, you are covered in Canada and do not come home with massive hospital bills like in the US. South Korea also has a similar system to Canada with addition private healthcare insurance and providers being available at extra cost.


    Public healthcare in South Korea
    South Korea's National Health Insurance programme is a compulsory social insurance system which covers the whole population. The company is expected to pay half of their employees' health insurance premiums each month, while employees cover the other half.
    Private healthcare in South Korea
    National Health Insurance covers most day-to-day and emergency medical procedures, prescription medication and specialist visits. However, some procedures and medications, particularly those associated with chronic illnesses, such as cancer, are not covered and can become costly. Private insurance companies exist for this reason and many Koreans and expats who can afford it sign up for a chronic illness plan to guard against costs the NHI may not cover.
    http://www.expatarrivals.com/asia-pa...re-south-korea
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    expat arrivals wrote:

    "National Health Insurance covers most day-to-day and emergency medical procedures, prescription medication and specialist visits."

    Actually, even for minor, everyday ailments(eg. a trip to the dermatologist to get a skin rash looked at), I pay a small user fee in South Korea.

    Watever definition of "free" is being employed by the mapmakers, it still gives one the misleading impression that it means the same thing in all the countries shaded dark green.
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    The bigger point is that the US has a terrible, inefficient and expensive healthcare system for the average American

    U.S. health spending twice other countries' with worse resultshttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-spending/u-s-health-spending-twice-other-countries-with-worse-results-idUSKCN1GP2YN
    (Reuters Health) - The U.S. spends about twice what other high-income nations do on health care but has the lowest life expectancy and the highest infant mortality rates, a new study suggests.


    More doctor visits and hospital stays aren’t the problem. Americans use roughly the same amount of health services as people in other affluent nations, the study found.


    Instead, health spending may be higher in the U.S. because prices are steeper for drugs, medical devices, physician and nurse salaries and administrative costs to process medical claims, researchers report in JAMA.


    “There’s no doubt that administrative complexity and higher drug prices both matter - as do higher prices for pretty much everything in U.S. healthcare,” said lead study author Irene Papanicolas of the London School of Economics and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston.


    “These inefficiencies are likely the product of a number of factors including a reliance on fee-for-service reimbursement, the administrative complexity of the U.S. health care system and the lack of price transparency across the system,” Papanicolas said by email.


    For the study, researchers examined international data from 2013 to 2016 comparing the U.S. with 10 other high-income countries: the U.K., Canada, Germany, Australia, Japan, Sweden, France, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Switzerland.


    In 2016, the U.S. spent 17.8 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on healthcare. Other countries’ spending ranged from a low of 9.6 percent of GDP in Australia to a high of 12.4 percent of GDP in Switzerland.


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    Yeah, I would never endorse the US health care system.

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    So he's now suggesting sending out people with rakes.

    “You gotta take care of the floors. You know the floors of the forest, very important,” Trump told reporters, as Gov. Jerry Brown and Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom stood nearby. “You look at other countries where they do it differently and it’s a whole different story. I was with the president of Finland and he called it a forest nation, and they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things and they don’t have any problem. And when they do, it’s a very small problem.
    And if they don't have ANY problems, how can they then have small ones?

    Meanwhile

    Funny, Finland's Forest Management Plan says nothing about "Raking," But it does talk about This ...

    Who would have guessed, that “raking your forest floors” is NOT a practice that has caught on in Finland, in spite of the president’s tall tales to the contrary?


    The Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry of Finland talks about:


    Sustainable forest management: “The purpose of forest legislation is to promote economically, ecologically and socially sustainable management and use of forests in order that they produce a good output in a sustainable way while their biodiversity is being preserved.”

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...alk-about-This

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    Trump goes after former Navy SEAL who criticized him. Ignores the fact that Bush pulled troops out of Tora Bora in order to invade Iraq.

    Trump bashes Navy SEALs for not taking out Osama bin Laden ‘a lot sooner’

    President Donald Trump over the weekend criticized the Navy SEALs for failing to kill terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden “a lot sooner.”


    Speaking to Fox News host Chris Wallace in a interview that aired on Sunday, Trump lashed out at retired Navy Admiral William H. McRaven as a “Hillary Clinton fan” because he has called the president “the greatest threat to democracy” in his lifetime.


    “He’s a Hillary Clinton backer!” Trump snapped at Wallace.


    “He was a Navy SEAL,” Wallace observed.


    “It would be nice if we got Osama bin Laden a lot sooner,” Trump complained. “Wouldn’t it have been nice?”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/tru...en-lot-sooner/

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    The Camp Fire started in the brush, not in the forested areas



    So will Trump pony up on the massive workforce that would be necessary to "RAKE" National Forests covering 188,336,179 acres, millions of acres of National Grassland and millions of acres of other Federal Lands?

    He would need to bring in way more tan all the military at the Mexico border and he would need YUGE Caravans of cheap migrant labor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Trump goes after former Navy SEAL who criticized him. Ignores the fact that Bush pulled troops out of Tora Bora in order to invade Iraq.

    Trump bashes Navy SEALs for not taking out Osama bin Laden ‘a lot sooner’

    President Donald Trump over the weekend criticized the Navy SEALs for failing to kill terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden “a lot sooner.”

    Speaking to Fox News host Chris Wallace in a interview that aired on Sunday, Trump lashed out at retired Navy Admiral William H. McRaven as a “Hillary Clinton fan” because he has called the president “the greatest threat to democracy” in his lifetime.

    “He’s a Hillary Clinton backer!” Trump snapped at Wallace.

    “He was a Navy SEAL,” Wallace observed.

    “It would be nice if we got Osama bin Laden a lot sooner,” Trump complained. “Wouldn’t it have been nice?”
    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/tru...en-lot-sooner/

    Like Bush was able to get Osama bin Laden.

    You need a good Obama to get a bad Osama with a gun.

    Found a funny Trump meme

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    The Woolsey fire north of Malibu is mostly bush, not forested. This brush cannot be "raked" as Trump ridiculously suggested. The Bush is so thick you cannot even walk through it let alone access it on the steep canyon slopes. The brush grows fast, then dies back in summer and is perfect conditions with the Santa Ana winds that roar down the slopes at 75 mph with 10% humidity. The steep hills and inaccessible canyons cannot be "managed".

    Note the barren hills are prime mudslide areas if the long overdue rainy season downpours occur.

    Trump has no idea what he is talking about.


    What these hills look like (do you see a forest?)






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    "The Finnish are posting pics raking or even vacuuming the forests, to ridicule Trump’s claim that Finland’s president told him their nation rakes the forests to prevent fires. (Finland’s President said he never discussed it with Trump.)"



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    Mr. Trump, please show us how to do it, please personally demonstrate raking a single acre of California bush and hauling out the debris to a truck a mile away on the nearest road.

    Please start on the one acre on the right side of this picture.





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    Admiral McRaven responds to Trump.

    ‘You threaten the Constitution’: Adm. McRaven replies directly to Trump’s smear of Navy SEALS

    McRaven, a former Navy SEAL who lead the successful hunt to kill Osama bin Laden, replied to Trump in a statement he sent to CNN on Sunday.


    “I did not back Hillary Clinton or anyone else,” he fact-checked. “I am a fan of President Obama and President George W. Bush, both of whom I worked for.”


    “I admire all presidents, regardless of their political party, who uphold the dignity of the office and who use that office to bring the nation together in challenging times,” he continued.


    “I stand by my comment that the president’s attack on the media is the greatest threat to our democracy in my lifetime,” he added. “When you undermine the people’s right to free press and freedom of speech and expression, then you threaten the Constitution and all for which it stands.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/thr...ar-navy-seals/
    And from a former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe.

    WATCH: Former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe destroys Trump’s ‘jackassery’

    “This comment from the president was disrespectful, demoralizing, it was shallow and it was unprofessional,” he concluded.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/wat...ps-jackassery/
    Shallow and unprofessional sums up Trump pretty well.
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    Sure they're bloodthirsty murderers but there's money to be made!

    On Khashoggi, the Trump approach appears to be 'ignorance is bliss'

    Your continued public focus on Saudi Arabia's contribution to the US economy and the fact that they "give us a lot of jobs" signals that you care more about economics than human rights, and may give MBS a free pass for any role he may have played in the killing. This could greenlight similar operations down the road, because high-ranking officials -- especially those who do significant business with the United States -- won't think you'll actually punish them. You will be giving foreign leaders license to kill.


    We also assess that the decision to sanction 17 individuals linked to the murder last week was viewed by many as a decision not to sanction MBS. Focusing on some of his henchmen, the sanctions were likely considered a get-out-of-jail-free card for MBS. However, we assess that because of the way that MBS governs, his minions would not logically undertake such a high-stakes assassination without him at least condoning the operation.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/18/opini...rad/index.html

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    President of Finland diplomatically calls Trump a liar.

    Finland's President Denies Having Conversation About 'Raking' With Trump

    “You look at other countries where they do it differently and it’s a whole different story,” he said. “I was with the president of Finland and he said, ‘We’re a forest nation.’ He called it a forest nation. And they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things. And they don’t have any problem. And when it is, it’s a very small problem.”


    It now appears that the conversation never happened. Asked about the remark by Finish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat, Niinisto said he didn’t recall a discussion about raking, though he did recall telling the president that “we take care of our forests.”


    Beyond the fact that Finland’s president insinuated this conversation about raking happened exclusively in Trump’s mind, perhaps at the very moment the words fell out of his mouth, it is not the first time Trump has mentioned raking in relation to California’s fires. Just one day before visiting Paradise, the California town that was essentially burned to the ground by the Camp Fire, Trump again mentioned raking.

    https://earther.gizmodo.com/finlands...rak-1830526573

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    Can Trump do anything right?


    US president Donald Trump mistakenly calls Paradise, California 'Pleasure' after touring one of the areas ravaged by wildfires

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...paradise-video

    Trump's solution for California forest fires; rake forest
    Trump's solution for Puerto Rican hurricane disaster cleanup; throw paper towels
    Trump's solution for Saudi journalist murder and dismemberment; sell more arms to Saudis
    Trump's solution for for mass shootings; more guns
    Trump's solution for sexual assault allegations; verbally assault victims
    Trump's solution for deficit; more tax breaks for uber rich
    Trump's solution for immigrant children; lock them up!
    Trump's solution for climate change; blame the Chinese
    Trump's solution for racist riot; 'there are fine people on both sides'
    Trump's solution for a free press; take away their rights
    Trump's solution for Russian collusion allegations; fire FBI Director and invite Russians to WH the next day
    Trump's solution for obstruction of justice allegations; fire Attorney General and install a political hack to obstruct investigation
    Trump's solution for his political failings; blame refugees fleeing violence
    Trump's solution for his problems; blame Hillary and Obama
    Trump's solution for anything; lie, flip-flop and lie some more, then attack opponents
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    Meanwhile, ISIS is still around despite Trump claiming that he'd destroy them in a month of taking office.

    Trump's preposterous bin Laden comments

    In Sunday's interview, Trump went on to claim that bin Laden was "living in Pakistan right next to the military academy, everybody in Pakistan knew he was there."


    This is complete nonsense. When I was researching a book about the hunt for bin Laden, I spoke to dozens of key government, intelligence and military officials involved in the bin Laden operation and they all said that the Pakistanis had no clue that al Qaeda's leader was living in the city of Abbottabad, Pakistan where he was found.


    On the night of the bin Laden operation, US officials eavesdropped on the communications of top Pakistani officials who were completely surprised by the news that bin Laden was living in Abbottabad.


    In the interview Sunday, Trump went on to say, "Wouldn't it have been nice if we got Osama bin Laden a lot sooner than that." This is an appalling smear on the many dozens of men and women at the CIA who dedicated their entire careers to finding bin Laden both before and after 9/11.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/opini...gen/index.html

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    You guys have to look past all that to the economy, employment etc. The important things. All the rest is just fluff. Ignore it.

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    White House tells Acosta his press pass will be suspended again when order expires, CNN says
    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...-cnn-says.html
    WASHINGTON—White House officials have reportedly sent a letter to CNN’s Jim Acosta indicating they will suspend his press pass again once the temporary restraining order that required them to restore Acosta’s credentials expires, CNN reported late Sunday night. The 14-day order was issued Friday, and unless the judge extends it, it would expire at the end of the month.


    In a ruling seen as a victory for press freedom, U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly, appointed by U.S. President Donald Trump, ordered the White House to temporarily restore Acosta’s press pass on Friday while he considers the merits of the case and the possibility of a permanent order.


    He said the White House has an obligation to afford due process to Acosta before it can revoke or suspend his access, and found that the White House’s decision-making process in this case was “so shrouded in mystery that the government could not tell me . . . who made the decision.” But on Sunday night, CNN’s Brian Stelter of “Reliable Sources” said in his newsletter that “White House officials sent Acosta a letter stating that his pass is set to be suspended again once the restraining order expires.”


    Stelter did not report the text of the letter or say whether it came only to Acosta or was submitted to the judge in the case. It was unclear whether the White House provided reasons that would somehow pass for due process in the eyes of the judge or a chance for Acosta to respond. The parties are expected to file status reports Monday explaining how they would like to proceed.


    “The White House is continuing to violate the First and 5th Amendments of the Constitution,” CNN said in a statement. “These actions threaten all journalists and news organizations. Jim Acosta and CNN will continue to report the news about the White House and the President.”
    Then

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...turned-2018-11

    The White House responded that it would come up with a code of conduct for the press at briefings, which hadn't existed before.



    "What they said though was that we have to create rules and regulations for conduct, et cetera, et cetera," Trump said. "We're doing that. We're going to write them up right now — it's not a big deal."


    "And if he misbehaves, we'll throw him out, or we'll stop the news conference," Trump added.
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    Trump was vague on the nature of the new code of conduct, and it's unclear whether it would pertain only to behavior at press briefings or whether it would apply to a journalist's outside behavior too.

    Trump also didn't mention whether the White House would publish a code of conduct for its staff. In a tweet over the weekend, Trump misspelled Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff's last name so that it sounded like the swear word for excrement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    You guys have to look past all that to the economy, employment etc. The important things. All the rest is just fluff. Ignore it.
    You mean the economy and employment that Obama created and Trump takes credit for?

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) bragged Monday on social media about the number of jobs created by President Donald Trump over his 21 months in office only to be taken to school by thousands of Twitter users.

    Graham said that if President Barack Obama’s jobs numbers had been “anywhere close” to Trump’s, “the media would stop the Earth from rotating to make sure everybody heard about it!”
    There’s only one problem. In his final 21 months in office, Obama’s jobs numbers were better than Trump’s by nearly half a million.

    Obama added 4.47 million jobs in his final 21 months in office, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers. Trump has added 4.05 million in his first 21 months as president — a discrepancy Twitter users were happy to point out to Graham.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b09d43e321f48e

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    Four charts show why Trump's claims about the US economy just don't add up
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/03/trum...nt-add-up.html
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    Well, it's sure looking up for the Obama's


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    You guys have to look past all that to the economy, employment etc. The important things. All the rest is just fluff. Ignore it.
    Yeah, forget about collusion with Russia, paying off porn stars to keep quiet during the election, the dog whistles to the alt-right and white supremacists, the defending of the Saudis and their torture and murder, the deficit exploding due to ill thought out tax cuts, rising interest rates, the false narrative about the migrants and the politicizing of the military during the mid-terms and all the rest. At least those at the top are doing well.


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    I prefer to see what Jimmy Carter has done. Hes built thousands of homes for Habitat. Hes still pounding nails, sawing boards and hanging drywall right into his nineties. A true hero. The Clintons, Obamas, Trumps etc are just pigs at the trough.

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    All that sh it you guys talk about has been going on forever, its just that trump brings all the floaters to the top for everyone to see. Hes one dumb fuqrr in my opinion too. All the chances hes had to be something and he fuqs it up each time. Idjut. If he could just shut his fuquing mouth unless he had something good to say. I had enough of him too. Two more years I guess.

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    Trump is trying to rewrite history again. What's really remarkable is the fact that he even knows bin Laden was mentioned in "his" book since he didn't actually write it. And let's not forget the fact that it was Ronald Reagan, the god of the Republican party, who funded bin Laden to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    Trump Falsely Claims That He Predicted Bin Laden Threat Before 9/11

    This isn’t the first time Trump has falsely claimed to have foreseen Bin Laden’s rise. As Mother Jones explained back when he first made the assertion on the campaign trail, Trump’s 2000 book, The America We Deserve, did not include such astute observations. Bin Laden is mentioned once in passing in the book, and the brief paragraph merely references the fact that Bin Laden had already been labeled “public enemy number one.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...t-before-9-11/

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    The Republicans decide to defend Trump and attack McRaven. Now, according to Wikileaks, McRaven was on the first cut of 39 names listed for the VP slot by Clinton but was not on later lists. Which means that either they didn't ask him or they did and he declined. McRaven was also shortlisted by Chris Christie during the Trump transition, same result.

    So, either he's not political as he claims or Trump is smearing him because he turned him down.

    GOP follows Trump’s lead — and smears McRaven as an alleged shill for Hillary

    The official Republican Party Twitter account on Monday followed President Donald Trump’s lead by echoing his attacks on retired Navy Adm. William McRaven, the man who orchestrated the raid that killed terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.


    After the president falsely accused McRaven of being a supporter of Hillary Clinton over the weekend — despite the fact that the retired admiral never endorsed her during the campaign — the GOP said that McRaven doesn’t deserve to be seen as a non-political figure because he was purportedly on Clinton’s short list of vice presidential nominees in 2016.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/gop...shill-hillary/
    Democratic Party vice presidential candidate selection, 2016



    POLITICO reported last month that Christie and the transition staff had worried that Flynn, who had been fired from the Obama administration, suffered from poor judgment and espoused far-out ideas on foreign policy.


    Their short list for national security adviser had included big-name military leaders such as now-Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis; Gen. Peter Pace, a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under former president George W. Bush; and Adm. William McRaven, who oversaw the Osama bin Laden raid, sources said.

    https://www.politico.com/states/new-...nsition-136432

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    You guys have to look past all that to the economy, employment etc. The important things. All the rest is just fluff. Ignore it.

    Their 401k are doing the best they have ever done..take that Dems!...lol

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    The Saudis want to buy a bunch of weapons to kill civilians in Yemen! Take that Khashoggi! ...lol

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    At least your 401k stocks in the military industrial complex will gain in value...take that beheaded Saudis...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Trump is trying to rewrite history again. What's really remarkable is the fact that he even knows bin Laden was mentioned in "his" book since he didn't actually write it. And let's not forget the fact that it was Ronald Reagan, the god of the Republican party, who funded bin Laden to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    Trump Falsely Claims That He Predicted Bin Laden Threat Before 9/11

    This isn’t the first time Trump has falsely claimed to have foreseen Bin Laden’s rise. As Mother Jones explained back when he first made the assertion on the campaign trail, Trump’s 2000 book, The America We Deserve, did not include such astute observations. Bin Laden is mentioned once in passing in the book, and the brief paragraph merely references the fact that Bin Laden had already been labeled “public enemy number one.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...t-before-9-11/
    emphasis added...

    i think you're giving the donald too much credit. he's not trying to rewrite history again - that would require knowing and understanding history and the consequences of any actions he chooses to take in. he's simply trying to erase everything obama did simply because obama did it. he doesn't seem to care about anything else, including the implications and costs of having any tin-pot dictator willing to help be a part of his team.
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    I want Trump to say "Lock her up!" just once. I'd settle for a "crooked Ivanka".

    Ivanka Trump used a personal email account to send hundreds of emails about government business last year

    Ivanka Trump sent hundreds of emails last year to White House aides, Cabinet officials and her assistants using a personal account, many of them in violation of federal records rules, according to people familiar with a White House examination of her correspondence.


    White House ethics officials learned of Trump’s repeated use of personal email when reviewing emails gathered last fall by five Cabinet agencies to respond to a public records lawsuit. That review revealed that throughout much of 2017, she often discussed or relayed official White House business using a private email account with a domain that she shares with her husband, Jared Kushner.


    The discovery alarmed some advisers to President Trump, who feared that his daughter’s prac*tices bore similarities to the personal email use of Hillary Clinton, an issue he made a focus of his 2016 campaign. He attacked his Democratic challenger as untrustworthy and dubbed her “Crooked Hillary” for using a personal email account as secretary of state.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.ad8aebf7e8e4

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    It's almost as if it was some sort of politically motivated stunt. Weird.

    Trump recalls troops from the southern border — after reports emerged that they were extremely bored

    Troops sent to the U.S.-Mexico border after Donald Trump warned about the dangers of the Latin American “migrant caravan” are being recalled less than a week after reports emerged that they were incredibly bored while waiting for the caravan to arrive.


    Politico reported that Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan, the general overseeing the deployment, confirmed in an interview that troops sent for engineering and logistics will begin coming home.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/tru...tremely-bored/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Trump is trying to rewrite history again. What's really remarkable is the fact that he even knows bin Laden was mentioned in "his" book since he didn't actually write it. And let's not forget the fact that it was Ronald Reagan, the god of the Republican party, who funded bin Laden to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

    Trump Falsely Claims That He Predicted Bin Laden Threat Before 9/11

    This isn’t the first time Trump has falsely claimed to have foreseen Bin Laden’s rise. As Mother Jones explained back when he first made the assertion on the campaign trail, Trump’s 2000 book, The America We Deserve, did not include such astute observations. Bin Laden is mentioned once in passing in the book, and the brief paragraph merely references the fact that Bin Laden had already been labeled “public enemy number one.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...t-before-9-11/
    emphasis added...

    i think you're giving the donald too much credit. he's not trying to rewrite history again - that would require knowing and understanding history and the consequences of any actions he chooses to take in. he's simply trying to erase everything obama did simply because obama did it. he doesn't seem to care about anything else, including the implications and costs of having any tin-pot dictator willing to help be a part of his team.
    Trump just lies and lies and lies some more. Sure, Trump knew more about Bin Laden in his award winning book than the entire US Military, the CIA and everyone else on the planet.

    "Donald Trump says the U.S. should have caught Osama Bin Laden quicker"; if only the US Army Generals read Trump's Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times Best Seller, "How to STOP Terrorism in Five Easy Steps by Taking Away Osama Bin Laden's Birth Certificate", by Professor Donald J. 'Bone Spurs' Trump.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4676850/trump-bin-laden/
    U.S. President Donald Trump reiterated on Twitter Monday morning that the U.S. should have caught Osama bin Laden sooner, and again blamed Pakistan for harbouring bin Laden despite getting billions of dollars in American aid.

    “Of course we should have captured Osama Bin Laden long before we did. I pointed him out in my book just BEFORE the attack on the World Trade Center,” Trump said on Twitter, adding that aid funding to Pakistan was recently pulled partially for this reason.

    The comments came after Pakistan’s prime minister fired back after Trump first made the claim on and interview Sunday night.

    Imran Khan tweeted that Pakistan had suffered 75,000 casualties and lost $123 billion in the “US War on Terror,” despite the fact that no Pakistanis were involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. He said the U.S. has only provided a “miniscule” $20 billion in aid.
    Memo to Trump; Everyone knew who Osama Bin Laden was, well before your book, where the Mujahideen resistance in the Soviet–Afghan War was partially funded through the CIA's Operation Cyclone from 1979 to 1989 under the Carter and then the Reagan administrations. The US and Saudi Arabia provided $40 billion worth of financial aid and weapons to the Mujahideen and Afghan Arabs. Your single mention in your book of an issue that was well known for a decade is a flacid attempt to claim some higher knowledge. You probably did not pen the paragraph, your ghost writer probably did.


    Reagan and the Mujahideen meet in the White House


    Photograph taken of Bin Laden in Afghanistan in the 1980s during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan when he worked with the anticommunist Muslim guerrillas known as the mujahideen

    1993 article


    Preview of Trump's tweet next week:
    "I could have stopped the Vietnam War in a week because I knew more about the Vietnam War than Nixon, Johnson and the entire Pentagon combined BUT I was too busy at a bowling tournament."
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    Trump Fans Sink Savings Into ‘Iraqi Dinar’ Scam

    https://outline.com/T65XXd (The Daily Beast)

    Trump supporter Hayes Kotseos runs a North Carolina pool-maintenance company, but she’s got a side bet that she thinks might make her fabulously wealthy: the Iraqi dinar.The currency is nearly worthless outside of Iraq, but Kotseos bought millions of dinars in April, after watching a video of President Trump at a 2017 press conference. In the clip, Trump says, with characteristic vagueness, that all currencies will soon “be on a level playing field.”
    In reality, Trump was talking about trade imbalances with China. But like other Trump supporters who have fallen into the dinar investment scam, which has existed since at least 2012, Kotseos interpreted Trump’s rambling statement as proof that the Iraqi dinar would soon be worth as much or even more than the dollar, making anyone who had been smart enough to buy in early a millionaire.
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    This could explain why Trump is lashing out even more than usual. Although I disagree with the idea that "ardent Trump die-hards" won't be able to dismiss them. "Adrent Trump die-hards" have shown they're capable of dismissing anything regardless of the facts.


    Here’s why ‘even ardent Trump die-hards’ won’t be able to dismiss next Mueller charges: Legal expert

    Harry Litman, a former deputy assistant attorney general and a constitutional law scholar at UC San Diego and UCLA, has written an op-ed for the Los Angeles Times laying out the evidence that special counsel Robert Mueller is about to drop a major bombshell on the Trump White House.

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    Litman then says that Mueller could even name Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator in upcoming indictments if the evidence warrants it.


    Litman points to a recent court filing Mueller’s team made regarding former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who this past summer pledged to cooperate with investigators.


    “Mueller requested a 10-day delay in submitting a status report on the ground that the later report would ‘be of greater assistance’ to the court’s work determining what sentence Manafort deserves,” he explains. “Mueller’s request strongly suggests that we’ll soon see important additional information bearing on the value of Manafort’s cooperation, up to and including a potential role as a key witness in a soon-to-be-unveiled criminal case.”


    This suggests that Manafort could implicate some of the people in the Trump campaign who were “higher up in the food chain,” Litman writes, which would only include “Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner or Trump himself.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/her...-legal-expert/

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    Die hard Trump supporters including the entire Republican leadership and elected officials as well as FAUX News are mum on the breaking story that Ivanka Trump used a personal email account and server for doing government business. The hypocrisy that they are not shouting, "LOCK HER UP!" is deafening.

    Rumors have it that Ivanka states that she had not been briefed and was unaware that she could not use a private server for government business.

    Yeah and purple unicorns fly out of Hilary Clinton's butt...
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    This was a terrible crime but the Saudis said he was an enemy of the people and since he worked for the Washington Post, I agree with that statement and say that he deserved what he got - Paraphrase of Donald Trump statement.

    Trump issues new statement on Jamal Khashoggi — and he repeats Saudi smears of him as a Muslim Brotherhood operative

    “Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an ‘enemy of the state’ and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that — this is an unacceptable and horrible crime,” the president said.


    Despite this, the president also defended the United States’ relationship with Saudi Arabia and Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman, all while casting doubt on whether Salman actually knew about the plot by Saudi intelligence officials to kill Khashoggi.


    “Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!” Trump said. “That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi. In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in our very important fight against Iran.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/tru...ood-operative/

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