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    Racism, and racist comments are wrong, period. It doesn't matter which side the comments come from. If only you'd figure that out...
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    You realize that ANTIFA is short for Anti-Fascist right, and there really is no such thing as 'far left', like there is with the far right...

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    No, there is a far left, and most Antifa are on it. They include hold-over campus communists and people who think mob violence is an acceptable tactic as long as the goals are leftist.

    There's always people on the extremes on any political/ideological spectrum. If you can't find the extreme you either aren't looking or the so-called moderate has drifted to absorb it and if that's the case stay the heck away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    You realize that ANTIFA is short for Anti-Fascist right
    You realize that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) isn't actually democratic, right?

    You also realize that Scientology isn't actually scientific, right?


    Also, the mask-wearing, riot-causing, and fire-starting Bolshevik-like thugs on the far-left are absolutely extremist. And if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.

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    Still waiting for your to call out all the trump thugs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    You realize that ANTIFA is short for Anti-Fascist right
    You realize that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) isn't actually democratic, right?

    You also realize that Scientology isn't actually scientific, right?


    Also, the mask-wearing, riot-causing, and fire-starting Bolshevik-like thugs on the far-left are absolutely extremist. And if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.
    “if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.”

    Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Racism, and racist comments are wrong, period. It doesn't matter which side the comments come from. If only you'd figure that out...
    Do you mean - negative - racism and racist comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Still waiting for your to call out all the trump thugs...
    Trump thugs?

    Presumably you are trying to conflate neo-nazis, white supremacistss, KKK and their ilk with Trump supporters. If so, I as well as every other conservative poster on this forum have condemned and disavowed those far-right extremists numerous times (and still do).

    Will the left also condemn their own extremist elements, or will they hypocritically only shame extremists on the opposite side and pretend their own don't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    You realize that ANTIFA is short for Anti-Fascist right
    You realize that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) isn't actually democratic, right?

    You also realize that Scientology isn't actually scientific, right?


    Also, the mask-wearing, riot-causing, and fire-starting Bolshevik-like thugs on the far-left are absolutely extremist. And if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.
    “if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.”

    Why not?

    Because it's a double standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    You realize that ANTIFA is short for Anti-Fascist right
    You realize that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) isn't actually democratic, right?

    You also realize that Scientology isn't actually scientific, right?


    Also, the mask-wearing, riot-causing, and fire-starting Bolshevik-like thugs on the far-left are absolutely extremist. And if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.
    “if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.”

    Why not?
    According to his own standards he is not allowed to ever call out the left, since he has never called or the right, and even justifies their actions sometimes by saying the left is just as bad or worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    You realize that ANTIFA is short for Anti-Fascist right
    You realize that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) isn't actually democratic, right?

    You also realize that Scientology isn't actually scientific, right?


    Also, the mask-wearing, riot-causing, and fire-starting Bolshevik-like thugs on the far-left are absolutely extremist. And if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.
    “if you refuse to call them out you have no business calling out extremists on the other side.”

    Why not?

    Because it's a double standard.
    I don’t know if there’s anything about the issue that can be standardized.

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    He made the call to his son to sell the stock from the White House grounds. How's that for chutzpah?

    Trump-loving GOP congressman gets arrested by the FBI on securities fraud charges


    Specifically, the indictment alleges that Collins last year passed “material, nonpublic information” about Australian biotech firm Innate Immunotherapeutics to his son so he “could use that information to make timely trades in Innate stock and tip others.”


    In total, the indictment alleges that the insider trading scheme helped the defendants “avoid over $768,000 in losses that they would have otherwise incurred if they had sold their stock in Innate” after the nonpublic information had been released.


    Collins, who was one of President Donald Trump’s first congressional endorsers, has been under scrutiny for the last year for potential insider trading of shares of Innate Immunotherapeutics, a company where Collins himself is the largest majority shareholder.



    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/tru...fraud-charges/

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    Trump supporter Laura Ingraham isn't even trying to hide it anymore. Goes full on "We like white people" rant.

    Laura Ingraham Targets Even Legal Immigrants In Off-The-Rails Rant
    Fox News host gets called out for claiming "the America we know and love doesn't exist anymore."


    "The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like ... this is related to both illegal and legal immigration"

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b0bdd0620646fa

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    Nice of Ingraham to just come out and say that what she "loves" about America isn't the ideals upon which it was founded but it's ethnic make-up and allotment of power and wealth to her ethnicity. Thanks for clearing that up, Laura.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...merica/567122/

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    Hey, what she says doesn't entirely rule out a confused nostalgia.
    There can only be one.

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    Migrant woman and her child are being represented in court by the ACLU to prevent their deportation. The government had agreed not to deport them until tomorrow at the earliest. However, during the hearing, the ACLU found out that the Trump administration had loaded them onto a plane and that the plane was in the air. The judge ordered that the plane be turned around mid-flight and threatened to hold Sessions in contempt.

    Judge orders migrants returned to US in midst of deportation flight

    Washington D.C. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan was hearing a request to stay the plaintiffs’ deportations, when the ACLU learned that two of them were already on a flight to Central America, the civil rights group said.


    Upon hearing the news, Sullivan ordered their flight returned and suggested that Sessions could be held in contempt of court, according to the ACLU.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/jud...tation-flight/

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    The Rust Belt is done with Donald Trump's gold-plated populism
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usat.../amp/926926002
    Political scientist Josh Pacewicz argued that Trump’s popularity in the Rust Belt was the result of “undirected populist resentment at a technocratic, corporate-friendly elite.” The “corporate-friendly elite” might as well be the name of the Trump administration’s softball team, if they had ever heard of softball.

    Trump’s policies have been precisely tailored to pleasure the richest. Under his tax law, businesses received nine times more in cuts than what they gave their workers and spent 37 times more on stock buybacks than on bonuses since the reforms became law, according to an April analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness. Now, Trump’s Treasury secretary has suggested that the administration may serve up $100 billion more in tax cuts that will go just to the richest of the richest, who just happen to include much of Trump’s Cabinet, family and big donors.

    Predatory lenders and corporate criminals are getting lush new protections while the Great Lakes are under attack. And if there is an economic boom going on, it’s flowing mostly to the sort of Americans who can pay a $200,000 initiation fee at Mar-a-lago — and-or Democrats.

    An Associated Press analysis finds that 58.5 percent of the job gains from May of 2017 until this May were in counties that backed 2016 popular vote-winner Hillary Clinton. These are mostly the areas of the country that were doing pretty well under President Barack Obama.
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    Another one of Trump's "good people" won his primary.


    ‘Hitler was right’: KC area winner of Missouri House primary leaves trail of bigotry

    On his Monday morning radio show, Steve West promotes fanatical conspiracies about “Jewish cabals” that are “harvesting baby parts” through Planned Parenthood, that torture and molest children and that run the Republican Party.


    On Tuesday he won the Republican primary for a Clay County seat in the Missouri House by nearly 25 points.


    “Looking back in history, unfortunately, Hitler was right about what was taking place in Germany. And who was behind it,” West said on a show on KCXL radio on Jan. 23, 2017.


    West won the 15th District nomination in a four-candidate race by nearly 25 points. Besides his radio show, he also has a YouTube channel and a website. Donning a wig and fake beard and calling himself Jack Justice, he has unleashed an array of bigotry including homophobia, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and outright racism.

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    Pressed to clarify his Hitler comment, he questioned its validity until a reporter cited the date and time of the recording. West then said that he’d been taken out of context.

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...216387050.html
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    Trump's plan for Middle East peace. Instead of a comprehensive agreement, side with Israel on the issues one by one and then claim it's settled. It started with Jerusalem.

    What Jared Kushner’s ‘deal of the century’ would mean for Palestinian refugees


    Leaked emails from Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law and appointed steward of the Israel-Palestine conflict, are shedding light on his planned “deal of the century” for peace in the Middle East. In extracts published by Foreign Policy magazine, Kushner proposes “disrupting” the work of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) and ending the refugee status of 5m Palestinians across the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.


    Although the emails have not been published in full, these snippets are highly revealing. Kushner’s move against UNRWA marks the next stage in the Trump administration’s plan. In January 2018 – the same month that Kushner sent these emails – Trump announced drastic cuts in US aid to UNRWA.


    There are signs that defunding UNRWA is just the first stage of a much grander strategy; Kushner is also reportedly pressuring Jordan to strip the 2m Palestinians living there of their refugee status. But even taken on its own, dissolving the agency would have catastrophic consequences.

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    If UNRWA were dissolved while the refugees remained stateless, that would imply that the contentious question of their future and status had been resolved. On these grounds, the Palestinian Authority has condemned the Kushner plan as an attempt to remove refugees from the equation and erase their right of return, effectively denying them any chance of future citizenship in Israel-Palestine.


    On the other side, critics of UNRWA – including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – contend that the agency perpetuates the Palestinian refugee crisis by supporting the refugees in their current situation rather than helping pursue a political solution, and by promoting anti-Israeli feeling. According to this view, the agency’s dissolution would improve prospects for peace.


    The reality suggests the opposite. UNRWA is a product rather than a cause of the conflict, which will continue even if the agency is abolished. Stripping millions of people of basic welfare is more likely to heighten tensions than calm them. Israel would pay a price too; as an occupying power, it is legally obliged to safeguard the basic needs of the population living in areas it controls, but since UNRWA currently alleviates some of its obligations by providing essential services to 800,000 registered refugees in the West Bank and more than 1m in Gaza, the Israeli government is under far less pressure than it could be to take primary responsibility for their welfare.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/jar...nian-refugees/

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    I'm sure it's a total coincidence. BTW, $15,000/month = $180,000/year. Just for keeping their yap shut about Trump. Of course, none of that protects them from having to testify.

    Trump’s former bodyguard is getting paid the exact same amount that was offered in Omarosa hush-money deal

    "Friday’s bombshell report that former top staffer Omarosa Manigault Newman was offered $15,000 a month from the President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign to “stay silent” after being fired from the White House was flagged by two top political reporters for a fascinating coincidence.


    Staff writer at The Atlantic and MSNBC contributor Natasha Bertrand and Washington Post senior political reporter Aaron Blake both noted another former White House staffer making the exact same amount as the alleged hush money offer.


    “Huh. 15k per month is what Trump’s former bodyguard Keith Schiller has been getting from the RNC,” Bertrand tweeted, linking to a Business Insider report from February."

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/tru...sh-money-deal/

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    Let's go to the tape, shall we?

    Trump apologist Paris Dennard claims Trump never said there are ‘very fine people on both sides’

    “That’s not what he said,” Setmayer replied. “We’re still debating this? There’s still a question that there are ‘fine people on both sides?'”


    “The president was referring to the fact that there was violence on both sides,” Dennard claimed.


    “He said ‘very fine people on both sides,'” she shot back.


    “Let’s be accurate. Go back and read exactly what he said,” Dennard instructed.


    Luckily, in the digital age, a transcript isn’t necessary, as there is a video. Here is President Donald Trump at Trump Tower, in the lobby, saying that there are “very fine people on both sides.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/tru...-people-sides/


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    I don't know how these Trump apologists can say such B.S. with a straight face, knowing that they can so easily be proved wrong.
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    "Alternative facts"

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    " Gaslighting" and "Post-truth politics" in the modern revision of Orwell's 1984.

    As Trump said a few weeks ago; " Don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. ... What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."

    Yeah, what we saw on the Rodney King video was a black man attacking half a dozen defenceless armed police officers in LA...

    Multiple video recordings don't lie. Trump and his followers lie.

    Note to Trump: stop chumming the waters, cue the theme music from "Jaws", Robert Mueller is circling the boat.
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    I see the liberals are offended and oppressed today like everyday with countess tears , thank god we have these forums to let their tears drop.

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    Be very afraid the liberal resistance is coming for you


    https://twitter.com/KayaJones/status...88478351572992

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Let's go to the tape, shall we?

    Trump apologist Paris Dennard claims Trump never said there are ‘very fine people on both sides’

    “That’s not what he said,” Setmayer replied. “We’re still debating this? There’s still a question that there are ‘fine people on both sides?'”


    “The president was referring to the fact that there was violence on both sides,” Dennard claimed.


    “He said ‘very fine people on both sides,'” she shot back.


    “Let’s be accurate. Go back and read exactly what he said,” Dennard instructed.


    Luckily, in the digital age, a transcript isn’t necessary, as there is a video. Here is President Donald Trump at Trump Tower, in the lobby, saying that there are “very fine people on both sides.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/tru...-people-sides/

    The full sentence: “You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. “

    More context:
    Read the transcript of Donald Trump's jaw-dropping press conference
    “...
    Reporter: Mr. President, are you putting what you're calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?
    Trump: I'm not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I'm saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side — you can call them the left, you've just called them the left — that came violently attacking the other group, so you can say what you want but that's the way it is.
    [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.]
    Reporter: Mr. President, your words-
    Another reporter: You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are there-
    Trump: Well, I do think there's blame- Yes. I do think there's blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there's blame on both sides and I have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either and- and- and- and if you reported it accurately, you would say it.
    [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.]
    Reporter: Neo-Nazis started this in Charlottesville. They showed up at Charlottesville, they-
    Trump: Excuse me.
    Reporter: To protest the removal of that-
    Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
    Reporter: Do you support white nationalists, then?
    [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.]
    Trump: Well, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So, will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down- Excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?
    Reporter: I do love Thomas Jefferson-
    Trump: OK, good. Well, are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a ...”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/15/read...onference.html

    Maybe they “were fine people” - as children.

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    The one part that I really hate of the entire Trump response where he tells what you and everyone thinks.

    Trump: Well, I do think there's blame- Yes. I do think there's blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there's blame on both sides and I have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either and- and- and- and if you reported it accurately, you would say it.
    To say everyone thinks exactly like him is abhorrent and illogical. When has everyone agreed 100% on anything? We can't even get 100% of people to agree that the earth is round.

    It is a propaganda tool used by Trump to warp reality and a outright lie. This is the alternative reality bubble that Trump lives in. He has been so spoiled since he was a child and his parents warped his reality that he firmly believes that the world revolves around him, everyone agrees with his world view and everyone is his subject.

    Don't tell me what I think about what happened in Charlottesville when I saw white men with torches shouting "blood and soil!". Not one of them were fine people. Not one. They are racists and fascists.
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    "We’re trying very hard to get the best people. Not necessarily people that will be the most politically correct people, because that hasn’t been working. So we have really experts in the field. Some are known and some are not known, but they’re known within their field as being the best. That’s very important to me."

    Donald Trump - New York Times Interview (November 23, 2016)

    Trump Admits He Only Kept Omarosa Around Because She “Said Great Things” About Him


    Donald J. Trump

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    Wacky Omarosa, who got fired 3 times on the Apprentice, now got fired for the last time. She never made it, never will. She begged me for a job, tears in her eyes, I said Ok. People in the White House hated her. She was vicious, but not smart. I would rarely see her but heard....


    10:27 AM - Aug 13, 2018


    Donald J. Trump

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    ...really bad things. Nasty to people & would constantly miss meetings & work. When Gen. Kelly came on board he told me she was a loser & nothing but problems. I told him to try working it out, if possible, because she only said GREAT things about me - until she got fired!


    10:50 AM - Aug 13, 2018

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...-secret-tapes/
    However, there's a recording of him saying this:

    New Omarosa recording indicates Trump has no idea what’s happening in his own White House

    On Monday morning, Omarosa Manigault-Newman released a secret recording of a conversation with President Trump she says took place the day after she was fired from her role as assistant to the president last December.


    Assuming he wasn’t pretending to be out of the loop, the tape indicates Trump — who forged a reputation for ruthlessly firing people during his career as a reality television star — had no idea what was taking place in his own White House.


    “Omarosa, what’s going on? I just saw on the news that you’re thinking about leaving — what happened?” Trump can be heard saying, seemingly unaware his Apprentice co-star had already been fired from her nebulous White House job.


    “General Kelly came to me and said that you guys wanted me to leave,” Omarosa replied.


    “No. Nobody even told me about it,” Trump said. “You know, they run a big operation, but I didn’t know it. I didn’t know that. Goddamn it! I don’t love you leaving at all.”

    https://thinkprogress.org/omarosa-ta...-f001bc5c8137/
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    "Alternative facts"

    See Rudy lie. Lie, Rudy, lie. See Rudy give three different versions of reality for one question.

    This Sunday, in an appearance on CNN’s State of the Union, Giuliani appeared to be caught out in another lie, and to drop another in his series of bombshells. Asked about Trump’s request to former FBI director James Comey that he “give a break” to former national security advisor Michael Flynn, Giuliani at first claimed there had never been such a conversation.


    Jake Tapper: So you’re saying that President Trump and James Comey never discussed Michael Flynn?


    Giuliani: That is what [Trump] will testify to if he is asked that question.
    Then, reminded that he had already discussed the conversation he was claiming never happened, Giuliani attempted to deny that conversation.


    Giuliani: I never … I never told ABC that. That’s crazy. I never said that.

    Which is when CNN went to the tape. However, while forced to admit—after watching himself discuss it—that he had previously accepted the reality of the conversation between Trump and Comey, Giuliani this week shifted his claim to say that was only “talking about their version of it.”

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...r-one-question

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    I don’t know if these videos have been posted before but they are worth watching.
    https://youtu.be/DfnV4B7Fk7Y
    https://youtu.be/KXGuJlTVXfw
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    Ethics are for losers! Sad!

    Trump offers White House staffers discounted merch from his golf club

    Virginia Canter, chief ethics counsel at Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, and a former associate counsel in the Obama and Clinton administrations, said the practice of offering any discounts to people identified by their Secret Service pins was “absolutely wrong.”


    Discounts are not prohibited by the Office of Government Ethics if they are available to all government employees, or if it’s a standardized discount. But if they are not, the discount is considered a gift. Federal officials are also prohibited from accepting gifts in excess of $20, and urged to decline any gifts "when accepting them would raise concerns about the appearance of impropriety."

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...s-perks-776098

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    Another one of Trump's "fine people"

    (Note, this is not one of the bikers that met with Trump but the Bikers for Trump patch and tattoo are real, taken at the Portland "Patriot Prayer" rally a week earlier)

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    President Donald Trump escalated his messy clash with former aide Omarosa Manigault Newman on Tuesday, referring to the longtime colleague, who had been the top African-American in his White House, as “that dog!”

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...d-racial-slur/

    Trump calls a former female staffer he hired, a "dog". Well about the only thing you can credit Trump for is not calling her the 5 letter 'B' word...
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    Well, there's one word we know he has no trouble saying.

    Trump spokesperson denies strategizing about N-word tape, is proven a liar just hours later

    On the tape, Pierson can be heard saying of Trump’s alleged N-bomb, “I am trying to find out at least what context it was used in to help us maybe try to figure out a way to spin it.”


    “He said it,” Pierson adds. “He is embarrassed.”


    After CBS played the tape, Pierson abruptly reversed course, releasing a new statement on Tuesday confirming that the Trump campaign did indeed strategize about a tape of Trump saying the N-word. But she still attempted to pin blame on Omarosa.

    https://thinkprogress.org/katrina-pi...-912738855d10/
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    So somebody overheard another person saying that they allegedly heard Trump say something on a tape?

    Why are "professional" journalists even reporting this 3rd hand rumor?

    Peak fake news.

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    ^Peak denial the president is a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    President Donald Trump escalated his messy clash with former aide Omarosa Manigault Newman on Tuesday, referring to the longtime colleague, who had been the top African-American in his White House, as “that dog!”

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...d-racial-slur/

    Trump calls a former female staffer he hired, a "dog". Well about the only thing you can credit Trump for is not calling her the 5 letter 'B' word...
    Well being classy is not Trump's strength, nor is nuance. When they are loyal to him, they are "great" or "terrific people", but after they discover Trump's loyalty is a only a one way street and leave they become "dogs" or "terrible" or the "worst". Of course, there is little honour among thieves as they say and Trump does not hire people for their fine moral qualities or good character, so don't be surprised if they also screw up and get fired. He mostly looks for some reflection of himself, but yet expects some strange one way loyalty and competence. No wonder the White House has such a revolving door.

    It doesn't do any good to keep the US ship of state moving forward, with all this shuffling the deck chairs and petty back stabbing and bickering going on at the White House. Its as if Caligula's Rome has arrived at the Potomac and Donald is getting ready soon to pull out his violin for his solo finale performance, which of course he will think is masterful and inspired, even if no one else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    ^Peak denial the president is a racist.
    Can you imagine if this one issue had been the Obama administration. The Republicans would be voting right now to impeach.

    4,000 lies from Trump and the Republicans are just fine with the status quo
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    Watch White House press secretary Sarah Sanders says that President Trump's description of former aide Omarosa Manigault Newman as a "dog" had "nothing to do with race."

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    why would it? He's an ******* who calls all kinds of people all kinds of disparaging names. Enough with the noise already.
    There can only be one.

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    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
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    Trump, the least popular President since WWII

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.598e2bad54b2



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    Ha ha. Says The Washington Post!

    As if.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.
    How imbecilic.

    This would be stupid questioning by any media person. Asking her, an employee, or anyone else for that matter to provide a “guarantee” about what someone else has said or done and might be on someone tape is completely moronic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    why would it? He's an ******* who calls all kinds of people all kinds of disparaging names. Enough with the noise already.
    “Dog” is now a racist term?

    Oh, and I can guarantee that I’ve never called anyone a dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Ha ha. Says The Washington Post!

    As if.
    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
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    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.
    How imbecilic.

    This would be stupid questioning by any media person. Asking her, an employee, or anyone else for that matter to provide a “guarantee” about what someone else has said or done and might be on someone tape is completely moronic.
    Trump has claimed he has never said it and that it's not part of his vocabulary. If he has never said it, then you can guarantee that no tape could possibly exist.

    (I have never gone SCUBA diving so I can guarantee that you cannot watch a tape of me going SCUBA diving.)

    If Trump has never said it, why would he claim to have called producer Mark Barnett to confirm that no tapes exist? WOuldn't he know that no tape could possibly exist if he has never said it?

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    Because Trump probably had Michael Cohen pay Mark Barnett $130,000 to burn the tapes. That seems to be the going rate for Trump payoffs or $15,000 a month in installments. Who knows if Cohen kept a copy of the tapes as insurance?

    Sounds plausible with this swamp full of vipers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Ha ha. Says The Washington Post!

    As if.

    Yeah, when did The Washington Post every find out that the President of the United States had secret tape recordings?


    No..


    ...wait a minute...

    Was there not a movie with Robert Hoffman and Dustin Redford? LOL
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    Trump calls people "dogs" all the time. Even before he was elected President.

    His critics and political opponents need to get over Trump's words and semantics and instead attack the work he is doing, otherwise he and the other Trump Republicans are going to clobber them in elections.




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    ^ Now, do you feel better that you are the apologist for a lying orange man-child who acts sooooo Presidential?

    Let me remind you.



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    Holy crap! I take it all back...it looks like it does exist:

    Audio recording of the President saying the 'N-word'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgYI...ature=youtu.be

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    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.
    How imbecilic.

    This would be stupid questioning by any media person. Asking her, an employee, or anyone else for that matter to provide a “guarantee” about what someone else has said or done and might be on someone tape is completely moronic.
    Trump has claimed he has never said it and that it's not part of his vocabulary. If he has never said it, then you can guarantee that no tape could possibly exist.

    (I have never gone SCUBA diving so I can guarantee that you cannot watch a tape of me going SCUBA diving.)

    If Trump has never said it, why would he claim to have called producer Mark Barnett to confirm that no tapes exist? WOuldn't he know that no tape could possibly exist if he has never said it?
    Rump could guarantee it. Not his spokespeople. Stupid question that served to feed language for headlines.




    Note that the CNN writer in the article below didn’t provide Welker’s question in quotations nor even the put quotation marks around guarantee as in: “asked Sanders whether she could “guarantee” the ...”. That would have highlighted the fact that the reporter pulled the trigger on this one. Asking a person that can never know all the facts to offer up a guarantee of knowing all the facts is a similar tactic to the old question: “When did you stop beating your wife.”

    Then the headlines all read like: ‘Sanders “can’t guarantee”... ’. It’s a subtle form of news creation of embellishment and manipulation of public perceptions.


    Why Sarah Sanders' 'can't guarantee' answer matters so much - CNNPolitics

    “Then NBC's Kristen Welker asked Sanders whether she could guarantee the American public that Trump has never used that particular racial epithet on tape. "I can't guarantee anything, but I can tell you that the President addressed this question directly," Sanders replied. “

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/polit...sis/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Holy crap! I take it all back...it looks like it does exist:

    Audio recording of the President saying the 'N-word'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgYI...ature=youtu.be
    holy crap! you really don’t get it do you...

    or perhaps you really do get it. which only means your responses and support of it is even scarier.
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    That, my friend, was a shitpost.

    I didn't expect you to get it.

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    I just ignored that one. Just adds another click towards something I figured was pro-Trump sarcasm.

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    ^^Isn't everything you posted a shitpost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    ^^Isn't everything you posted a shitpost?
    I've been trying.



    Trump is the master of it:

    Happy Birthday to the leader of the Democrat Party, Maxine Waters!

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    I pretty much stated that MrOilers has been shitposting/trolling us for over a year ago..

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    Oh. You are serious?

    I thought all the recent anti-Trump talk of, “can Trump definitely prove he did NOT do this terrible thing that we are accusing him doing?" was lefty shitposting.

    Easy mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That, my friend, was a shitpost.

    I didn't expect you to get it.
    don't worry, my friend, i got it.

    and responded appropriately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    don't worry, my friend, i got it.
    I don't think you do, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Oh. You are serious?

    I thought all the recent anti-Trump talk of, “can Trump definitely prove he did NOT do this terrible thing that we are accusing him doing?" was lefty shitposting.

    Easy mistake.
    Here is a White House shitpost. Fake news right from the White House official spokesperson. She apologizes while crossing her fingers and then doubles down on Trump's supposedly successes and promotion of African-American job numbers

    Sarah Huckabee Sanders admits she gave false figures on African-American job numbers under Obama
    White House press secretary cites vastly inaccurate data while defending president from allegations of racism
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8492291.html

    White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders has admitted citing inaccurate data which she claimed showed Donald Trump had already created hundreds of thousands more jobs for African-Americans than Barack Obama did in eight years as president.

    Ms Sanders wrongly told a media briefing that Mr Obama oversaw the creation of only 195,000 jobs for black workers during his two terms in office, less than a third of the 700,000 who found employment in Mr Trump’s first 18 months.


    In fact, about three million more African-Americans were in work by the end of the Democrat’s second term, according to the US Bureau of Labour Statistics.

    “I’m sorry for the mistake, but no apologies for the 700,000 jobs for African Americans created under President Trump,” tweeted Ms Sanders after US media outlets pointed out the inaccuracy.


    She said the “jobs numbers for Pres Trump and Pres Obama were correct, but the time frame for Pres Obama wasn’t”.

    The figure initially cited by Ms Sanders appeared to be related to figures on changes to minority employment in the first 20 months after the past three presidential terms.


    The White House Council of Economic Advisers tweeted that data without explanation and apologised to Ms Sanders for a “miscommunication”.


    The press secretary cited the inaccurate figures as she fielded questions about claims that President Trump used racial slurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.
    How imbecilic.

    This would be stupid questioning by any media person. Asking her, an employee, or anyone else for that matter to provide a “guarantee” about what someone else has said or done and might be on someone tape is completely moronic.
    I think it was a legitimate question by the reporter in this situation. There are various people who have brought up the existence of such tapes, although Trump of course has denied it. Given his record in telling the truth and making disparaging racially tinged remarks, it is not inconceivable this happened. Sanders knows all this and may even know more. Hence, her very weak defense of her boss.

    If her boss didn't have such a record or reputation and he had told her that the tapes did not exist, she could have made a stronger statement in his deference. That she didn't or couldn't speaks volumes here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    don't worry, my friend, i got it.
    I don't think you do, actually.
    you can play two kids in a sandbox holding your breath until you turn blue all you want but if you're going to quote my posts when you do, either don't truncate/edit them or at least have the courtesy of indicating when you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
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    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.
    How imbecilic.

    This would be stupid questioning by any media person. Asking her, an employee, or anyone else for that matter to provide a “guarantee” about what someone else has said or done and might be on someone tape is completely moronic.
    I think it was a legitimate question by the reporter in this situation. There are various people who have brought up the existence of such tapes, although Trump of course has denied it. Given his record in telling the truth and making disparaging racially tinged remarks, it is not inconceivable this happened. Sanders knows all this and may even know more. Hence, her very weak defense of her boss.

    If her boss didn't have such a record or reputation and he had told her that the tapes did not exist, she could have made a stronger statement in his deference. That she didn't or couldn't speaks volumes here.
    She said that she "could not guarantee anything." That is even more telling that things in the White House are out of control and she won't be caught in the actions of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Because Trump probably had Michael Cohen pay Mark Barnett $130,000 to burn the tapes. That seems to be the going rate for Trump payoffs or $15,000 a month in installments. Who knows if Cohen kept a copy of the tapes as insurance?

    Sounds plausible with this swamp full of vipers...
    Exactly, tapes can be copied or sometimes made without the subject being aware of it so the only way you can "guarantee" a tape of something said does not exist is if the person knows they didn't say it.

    Trump has a great deal of experience using money to try buy his way out of self created trouble, but that does not always work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    don't worry, my friend, i got it.
    I don't think you do, actually.
    you can play two kids in a sandbox holding your breath until you turn blue all you want
    Very mature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    don't worry, my friend, i got it.
    I don't think you do, actually.
    you can play two kids in a sandbox holding your breath until you turn blue all you want
    Very mature.
    well that would make one of us...

    thanks for noting your edits by the way.

    not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
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    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.
    How imbecilic.

    This would be stupid questioning by any media person. Asking her, an employee, or anyone else for that matter to provide a “guarantee” about what someone else has said or done and might be on someone tape is completely moronic.
    I think it was a legitimate question by the reporter in this situation. There are various people who have brought up the existence of such tapes, although Trump of course has denied it. Given his record in telling the truth and making disparaging racially tinged remarks, it is not inconceivable this happened. Sanders knows all this and may even know more. Hence, her very weak defense of her boss.

    If her boss didn't have such a record or reputation and he had told her that the tapes did not exist, she could have made a stronger statement in his deference. That she didn't or couldn't speaks volumes here.
    I think it is a ridiculous question.

    It's also asked in a dishonest fashion.

    "Can you promise and guarantee, 100 percent, that that word was never EVER uttered by that person, and nobody had a recording of it, or else he is a racist?"

    Everything about it is awful, and is typical of the kind of stuff that today's news media does that causes more and more people to lose trust in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Sanders could not guarantee that Trump has not or will not use the 'n' word and would not guarantee that there is no tape with him using the same...
    How reassuring.
    How imbecilic.

    This would be stupid questioning by any media person. Asking her, an employee, or anyone else for that matter to provide a “guarantee” about what someone else has said or done and might be on someone tape is completely moronic.
    I think it was a legitimate question by the reporter in this situation. There are various people who have brought up the existence of such tapes, although Trump of course has denied it. Given his record in telling the truth and making disparaging racially tinged remarks, it is not inconceivable this happened. Sanders knows all this and may even know more. Hence, her very weak defense of her boss.

    If her boss didn't have such a record or reputation and he had told her that the tapes did not exist, she could have made a stronger statement in his deference. That she didn't or couldn't speaks volumes here.
    I think it is a ridiculous question.

    It's also asked in a dishonest fashion.

    "Can you promise and guarantee, 100 percent, that that word was never EVER uttered by that person, and nobody had a recording of it, or else he is a racist?"

    Everything about it is awful, and is typical of the kind of stuff that today's news media does that causes more and more people to lose trust in them.
    MR. Oilers why do you even bother ? Trying to debate with a liberal is like playing chess with a Pigeon , they knock over the pieces while crapping all over the board all the while strutting around like they have won

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    Could it be because Trump himself says that he has never used the N-word. Or, could it be because he's a known liar so his word is not proof or even an indication one way or the other?


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    [email protected] called to say that there are NO TAPES of the Apprentice where I used such a terrible and disgusting word as attributed by Wacky and Deranged Omarosa. I don’t have that word in my vocabulary, and never have.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rosa-n-word%2F
    So, either SHS believes Trump that he NEVER used it OR she's covering her butt because she knows that it's entirely possible that Trump is lying and that such tape may become public. She opted for the butt covering.

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    Media: "We heard somewhere that a tape of Trump saying the n-word exists!"

    press Secretary: "I don't think one does"

    Media: "But could you imagine if it did?"

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    That question was phrased terrible.

    But she should've answered "To the best of my knowledge, I have not heard nor do I believe he's ever use it". Instead she opted for she guarantee's nothing and tells people to refer to Trump's personal response (cause we know he's not exactly reliable)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post

    MR. Oilers why do you even bother ? Trying to debate with a liberal is like playing chess with a Pigeon , they knock over the pieces while crapping all over the board all the while strutting around like they have won
    Don't forget your guys' golden rules, "Only people who agree with me are conservatives, everyone else must be a liberal", "If people disagree with me they must be an *****", and "There is always justification for why the side I support is right. Even if I have to use double standards or hypocritical, dishonest, or morally bankrupt reasons to do so".

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    Trying to talk to a trump supporter is like trying to talk to a homer/fan of a particular sports team. No matter how much that team sucks, they will keep trying to defend any criticism thrown at the team, no matter how glaringly wrong it is. They are all in, no matter what. F*** the canucks!!!

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    You mean like Leafs fans???
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    I'm really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate. - Donald Trump

    Trump’s Iran Sanctions Are Backfiring in Iraq

    BAGHDAD—As soon as the most recent round of U.S. sanctions, announced by the Trump administration on August 7, hit Iran, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said his country would reluctantly comply. But a week later, reality has sunk in and many Iraqi officials have pushed for Baghdad to maintain trade relations with Tehran.

    The reason: Iraq, which shares a 1,458-kilometer border with Iran, could be badly hurt by the sanctions. Iraq relies on its eastern neighbor for everything from gas supplies to electricity to water and foodstuffs. Not only is Iraq in a no-win position, but it is the United States, which still maintains some 5,200 troops in Iraq, that put it there: The country’s dependence on Iranian trade and public services is largely due to the U.S. invasion in 2003.

    When the international community imposed sanctions on the late Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein from 1990 to 2003, next-door Jordan was exempt. The United Nations excused Jordan from sanctions that banned it from buying oil from Iraq, for instance. So there’s a strong precedent for exempting Iraq from the Iran sanctions.

    If that doesn’t happen, and Iraq violates sanctions and is hit by U.S. penalties, it is likely to drive the country further into Iran’s sphere of influence—exactly what President Donald Trump’s administration says the United States wants to combat in the broader Middle East, where Iran is becoming increasingly powerful.

    Even Abadi, who is considered to be more pro-American than his predecessor, cannot afford to comply with sanctions. He has been backpedaling since last week. On August 13, he said: “I did not say we abide by the sanctions. I said we abide by not using dollars in transactions. We have no other choice,” the prime minister told reporters in Baghdad.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...in-iraq-219358

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    How is his negotiations doing in North Korea?

    Cricket sounds...
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    The best. Ask anyone! Everyone says it's the best! North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat.

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    The one thing that can be "guaranteed" is that when Trump says he didn't do or say something, then the opposite is "guaranteed".
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    Joint naval maneuvers with South Korea are "too expensive" and "a waste of money." But a parade Trump is throwing for himself is a great use of money.

    Remind me, what exactly did Trump get in exchange from North Korea for dropping the joint exercise with South Korea?

    $92M new estimate for Trump military parade is big increase

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Veterans Day military parade ordered up by President Donald Trump would cost about $92 million, U.S. officials said Thursday, citing preliminary estimates more than three times the price first suggested by the White House.


    According to the officials, roughly $50 million would cover Pentagon costs for aircraft, equipment, personnel and other support for the November parade in Washington. The remainder would be borne by other agencies and largely involve security costs. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss early planning estimates that have not yet been finalized or released publicly.

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    The parade’s cost has become a politically charged issue, particularly after the Pentagon canceled a major military exercise planned for August with South Korea, in the wake of Trump’s summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Trump said the drills were provocative and that dumping them would save the U.S. “a tremendous amount of money.” The Pentagon later said the Korea drills would have cost $14 million.

    https://apnews.com/53566c92681c4330bafbb05298f280c6


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    From an open letter by the leader of the SEAL team that took out Bin Laden.

    Commander of SEAL raid that killed bin Laden blasts Trump: You have 'embarrassed,' 'humiliated' U.S.

    I would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well, so I can add my name to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency.
    Like most Americans, I had hoped that when you became president, you would rise to the occasion and become the leader this great nation needs. [...]


    Your leadership, however, has shown little of these qualities. Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...humiliated-U-S

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    The fact that he is taking away security clearance from those that criticize him is just another alarm to add to the drone of alarms sounding. In any normal situation it would be a big deal, but these things are becoming too normalized.

    It's incredibly obvious he wants to be an Emperor, not a President.

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    Brennan was probably one of the people leaking secrets to the press in an attempt to damage Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seamusmcduffs View Post
    The fact that he is taking away security clearance from those that criticize him is just another alarm to add to the drone of alarms sounding. In any normal situation it would be a big deal, but these things are becoming too normalized.

    It's incredibly obvious he wants to be an Emperor, not a President.
    I don't think Trump appreciates the main reason for security clearances. They are not just some honour bestowed on people, but are given to help people do their job and for the benefit of the country.

    I suspect the reason people from previous administrations still have the clearances is in case current people ever need to consult or discuss with them some sensitive matter that is ongoing, or some other sensitive matter where past experience and information would be relevant.

    Perversely, he is not really so much punishing those people that have clearances that they don't currently use much if at all, he is more punishing his own administration, as this will make it more difficult to consult and benefit from previous knowledge and experience. Of course, for someone thinks he knows more than his predecessors and the administration, this will probably not sink in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Brennan was probably one of the people leaking secrets to the press in an attempt to damage Trump.
    “probably” ???

    Why say “probably”? Based on what reasoning and/or logic?

    Then, to serve what purpose? Why would he be willing to take such risks in order to “damage Trump”?

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    Any evidence for that claim MrOilers?

    Thought not...
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    Pompous POTUS Parade budget blown.

    Trump's military parade is now estimated to cost $92 million – $80 million more than earlier estimate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    I suspect the reason people from previous administrations still have the clearances is in case current people ever need to consult or discuss with them some sensitive matter that is ongoing, or some other sensitive matter where past experience and information would be relevant.
    Although you are correct, the way Brennan is constantly and loudly mouthing off against Trump, he clearly wouldn't help him anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Brennan was probably one of the people leaking secrets to the press in an attempt to damage Trump.
    “probably” ???

    Why say “probably”? Based on what reasoning and/or logic?

    Then, to serve what purpose? Why would he be willing to take such risks in order to “damage Trump”?
    This anti-Trump New York Times editorial is saying that it will destroy Brennan's "livelihood" (i.e. he won't be able to sell info as an "anonymous source" to anti-Trump journalists anymore).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/o...nion&smtyp=cur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    I suspect the reason people from previous administrations still have the clearances is in case current people ever need to consult or discuss with them some sensitive matter that is ongoing, or some other sensitive matter where past experience and information would be relevant.
    Although you are correct, the way Brennan is constantly and loudly mouthing off against Trump, he clearly wouldn't help him anyway.
    He’s been there and has had the clearance to help their country and to help Trump help their country. He’s not the first by far either, and a lot of contentious things have been done by US Presidents over the years and I don’t recall former high level US intelligence officials or Generals being highly critical of sitting American presidents. So why this guy, why now and why against Trump? Is it because Trump says mean and nasty things about people? I doubt it. These guys at the top have probably made far more real life decisions of the nastiest sort for them to worry about another politicians nasty rhetoric.

    So why are they speaking up against this President?


    Check out his bio:

    John O. Brennan - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_O._Brennan
    Last edited by KC; 16-08-2018 at 09:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Brennan was probably one of the people leaking secrets to the press in an attempt to damage Trump.
    “probably” ???

    Why say “probably”? Based on what reasoning and/or logic?

    Then, to serve what purpose? Why would he be willing to take such risks in order to “damage Trump”?
    This anti-Trump New York Times editorial is saying that it will destroy Brennan's "livelihood" (i.e. he won't be able to sell info as an "anonymous source" to anti-Trump journalists anymore).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/o...nion&smtyp=cur
    What crap. Totally out of scale, out of perspective with reality.

    He’ll have some fantastic pension, be able to do speaking tours and get hired by corporations. These guys can make hundreds of thousands a year because of their past titles. Look at how even local ministers and prime ministers pick up jobs in law firms etc.

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