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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post

    Controversy: Melania Trump wore a jacket with the phrase, 'I REALLY DON'T CARE, DO U?' scrawled across the back when boarding a plane to visit immigrant children in Texas

    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 21-06-2018 at 02:04 PM.
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    That cover is actually really adorable.

    It looks like President Trump is coming to personally help that crying girl himself!

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    nope. Looking at a crying child like an alien without extending his arms. He is clueless how to stop or comfort a motherless child...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That cover is actually really adorable.

    It looks like President Trump is coming to personally help that crying girl himself!

    He is very good with his grandchildren, there were lots of photos before he became President ..

    What was the guys name who came up with the idea of separating children over 5? Williams..?

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    I see That the Liberals are still suffering from deep-seeded psychosis
    Last edited by Creativemind; 21-06-2018 at 04:11 PM.

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    And you are still drinking the cult purple Kool Aid...
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    Trump administration asks Pentagon to prepare 20,000 beds for immigrant children on military bases
    The request comes amid heightened scrutiny of President Donald Trump's immigration policies that have separated some 2,500 children from their parents at the border
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8410946.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    That cover is actually really adorable.

    It looks like President Trump is coming to personally help that crying girl himself!
    Actually, he's wondering if she's too old for Roy Moore to date.

    Or if he can shoot her on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.
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    More deep-seeded psychosis


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    Peter fonda with 13 year old Brook Sheilds while doing a movie about a pedophile (FONDA) who wins her in a poker game and they declare their love for each other .

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    What about Trump and his dreams of incest?


    In the almost 20 years since, Mr Trump has called his eldest daughter “voluptuous”. He’s said it’s OK to describe her as “a piece of ***”, though she is a senior executive in his business empire. And he’s said that, if she wasn’t his daughter, “perhaps [he’d] be dating her”.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7353876.html

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    And Peter Fonda has apologized for his horrible tweet about Barron Trump, who should have been totally off limits.


    “I tweeted something highly inappropriate and vulgar about the president and his family in response to the devastating images I was seeing on television,” Fonda said in a statement to USA Today. “Like many Americans, I am very impassioned and distraught over the situation with children separated from their families at the border, but I went way too far. It was wrong and I should not have done it. I immediately regretted it and sincerely apologize to the family for what I said and any hurt my words have caused.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b0040e273fba5a
    When is Trump going to apologize for the child separations? Oh right, never because it was never intended do do that. Really.

    Jeff Sessions Says He Never 'Intended' To Separate Immigrant Families. That's A Lie.

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Thursday that the Trump administration “never really intended” to separate immigrant families on the border, a claim that is contradicted by an assertion that he and other officials have made in the past.


    In an interview with Christian Broadcasting Network that is set to air Friday, Sessions agreed that thousands of children ― some just months old ― being torn from their parents’ arms as a result of his new “zero tolerance” immigration policy didn’t make for great optics for the Trump administration.


    “It hasn’t been good, and the American people don’t like the idea that we are separating families. We never really intended to do that,” Sessions said.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b00295f15aac52

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    What about Trump and his dreams of incest?


    In the almost 20 years since, Mr Trump has called his eldest daughter “voluptuous”. He’s said it’s OK to describe her as “a piece of ***”, though she is a senior executive in his business empire. And he’s said that, if she wasn’t his daughter, “perhaps [he’d] be dating her”.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7353876.html
    Dreams of incest are you insane seriously ? Only a Projecting liberal would think a father daughter pic was incest .

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    Talking about "dating" his daughter? What do you think that means, tiddly-winks by the fire? How about agreeing that she is a "piece of ***"?

    Apparently the Cambridge dictionary is projecting as well.

    piece of ***
    us offensive

    used to refer to a woman as a sexually attractive object

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...h/piece-of-***
    Or this

    piece of ***
    adjective
    The definition of a piece of *** is a person who is considered to have value or worth only for sexual reasons.
    A girl you want to become sexually involved with but not have a relationship with might be described as a piece of ***.




    "piece-of-***." YourDictionary, n.d. Web. 21 June 2018. <http://www.yourdictionary.com/piece-of-***>.


    APA Style


    piece-of-***
    Noun
    (plural pieces of ***)


    (US, idiomatic, colloquial, vulgar) An act of intercourse, especially a one night stand.
    (US, idiomatic, colloquial, vulgar) A very attractive woman, when considered as a sex object.

    http://www.yourdictionary.com/piece-of-***

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    Meanwhile, Trump killed a program that was working extraordinarily well, supposedly to save $12 million, which is money the government finds in the sofa cushions.

    1 year ago, Trump got rid of a wildly successful immigration program that didn’t lock people up
    The Trump administration is pretending it didn't have a choice to separate families.

    The reasons Trump staff gave for ending ICE’s Family Case Management Program (FCMP) pilot barely a year after it launched expose, again, the administration’s serial lying about the motives undergirding its deportation campaign. That program served roughly the same population currently targeted by Trump’s zero-tolerance policy: Adults with children who claim asylum but enter the country in between official U.S. ports.


    Even though FCMP was delivering a higher compliance rate than other “alternatives to detention” (ATD) systems like ankle monitors and random house visits, and doing so at a fraction of the cost of keeping people locked up pending trial, Trump’s ICE leaders pulled the plug.


    The reason? Too many families turned out to have legitimate arguments for obtaining legal status in the U.S. Though Trump and his loyal GOP colleagues now insist family detention is necessary because people won’t show up for court otherwise, the FCMP was delivering near-perfect compliance from immigrant families – it just wasn’t getting enough of them deported.


    “Since the inception of FCMP, there have only been 15 removals from this program, as opposed to more than 2,200 from ATD,” ICE spokeswoman Sarah Rodriguez said in June 2017. “By discontinuing FCMP, ICE will save more than $12 million a year — money which can be utilized for other programs which more effectively allow ICE to discharge its enforcement and removal responsibilities.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-ende...-bd506068c05c/

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    And Peter FONDLER only apologised because Sony pictures reprimanded him and he has a movie about to be released. And CBC deep- seeded psychosis good thing is secret service are taking these unstable people serious now

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Meanwhile, Trump killed a program that was working extraordinarily well, supposedly to save $12 million, which is money the government finds in the sofa cushions.

    1 year ago, Trump got rid of a wildly successful immigration program that didn’t lock people up
    The Trump administration is pretending it didn't have a choice to separate families.

    The reasons Trump staff gave for ending ICE’s Family Case Management Program (FCMP) pilot barely a year after it launched expose, again, the administration’s serial lying about the motives undergirding its deportation campaign. That program served roughly the same population currently targeted by Trump’s zero-tolerance policy: Adults with children who claim asylum but enter the country in between official U.S. ports.


    Even though FCMP was delivering a higher compliance rate than other “alternatives to detention” (ATD) systems like ankle monitors and random house visits, and doing so at a fraction of the cost of keeping people locked up pending trial, Trump’s ICE leaders pulled the plug.


    The reason? Too many families turned out to have legitimate arguments for obtaining legal status in the U.S. Though Trump and his loyal GOP colleagues now insist family detention is necessary because people won’t show up for court otherwise, the FCMP was delivering near-perfect compliance from immigrant families – it just wasn’t getting enough of them deported.


    “Since the inception of FCMP, there have only been 15 removals from this program, as opposed to more than 2,200 from ATD,” ICE spokeswoman Sarah Rodriguez said in June 2017. “By discontinuing FCMP, ICE will save more than $12 million a year — money which can be utilized for other programs which more effectively allow ICE to discharge its enforcement and removal responsibilities.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-ende...-bd506068c05c/
    You missed the important part how wildly successful the Obama era program was...

    Homan was likely invoking the near-identical rates at which people in each program showed up in immigration court: 99.6% for the ankle-monitored crowd, and 100% for those paired with caseworkers. But either way the programs prove that Trump and his pals – even the ones who acted scandalized about family separation but then showed up to carry water for the president Wednesday as he prepared his strategic-retreat Executive Order – know full well that migrants can be released on their own recognizance without ghosting on the feds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Peter fonda with 13 year old Brook Sheilds while doing a movie about a pedophile (FONDA) who wins her in a poker game and they declare their love for each other .
    Obviously you can't tell the difference between reality; and a movie script and staged publicity photoshoot.

    Do you have any credible source that Peter Fonda had any improper or illegal motives with his co-star? If not, STFU
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    Let's hope that Trump doesn't hear about this. Considering how quickly he picked up on Ann Coulter's claim that the kids were "crisis actors", it wouldn't surprise me.

    Oregon DMV suspends employee who encouraged shooting immigrants at the border to save ‘billions’ of tax dollars

    In response to a post about how Trump has handled the migrant crisis, McAllen said that the children should be shot to save tax dollars.


    “I personally think they should shoot them all at the border and call it good,” she wrote in screenshots circulated on Twitter. “It’ll save us hard working AMERICAN’S billions of dollars on our taxes!!

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/ore...s-tax-dollars/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Peter fonda with 13 year old Brook Sheilds while doing a movie about a pedophile (FONDA) who wins her in a poker game and they declare their love for each other .
    Obviously you can't tell the difference between reality; and a movie script and staged publicity photoshoot.

    Do you have any credible source that Peter Fonda had any improper or illegal motives with his co-star? If not, STFU
    Trump is an actor too if you count Playboy soft porn movies as "acting".

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2818929

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Trump is an actor too if you count Playboy soft porn movies as "acting".

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.2818929
    They dd not use Trump in any Playboy movie porn shots because High Definition had not been invented yet so nothing could be seen in test shots... LOL
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    Just to get off Trump for a moment this video infuriates me

    https://twitter.com/falcoariana/stat...84986717122561

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    Why are you bring up this disturbing video on a Trump thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    Perhaps people do not realize the following

    1. Kids of parents who both go to jail in the US and Canada are separated. Claiming refugee status is not a crime
    Entering a country at a place other than a designated point of entry is in fact a crime. Almost every country on the planet has rules about where you enter the country


    2. These 'camps' existed long before Trump under heaven forbid, even Obama ( Cannot believe what Laura Bush said... has she lost her mind) That was for unattended children. Not children forcibly separated from their parents
    Would you rather have the children detained in adult detention centres ???? Or in a place where they are fed, watered, looked after, provided medical care and education ?

    3. If these families presented themselves at a port of entry, they would be processed "normally" "Contrary to what (Homeland Security) has indicated as proper procedure, we are currently seeing cases where immigrant families seeking asylum are separated after lawfully presenting themselves at a U.S. port of entry." Source

    4. To be completely honest, these parents are placing their kids in mortal danger by trying to cross deserts and enter the US illegally. In fact, they should also be charged with 'failing to provide the necessities of life' and child endangerment. It is far more complex than that. Many are traveling with uncles, cousins, family friends. Some have had to leave their home countries after their parents were arrested there. You obviously don't understand the plight of refugees
    That just adds to the whole ugly situation, now you are saying that in fact these kids may not be with their legal guardians, please do tell how you expect the US authorities to figure this whole mess out ? Just wave the kids through along with the adults who may or may not be family ?


    5. If certain members of congress are so wound about this, pass a law that prevents the separation of families. This was a Trump/Sessions policy change. No laws changed to create this zero tolerance policy. Trump could stop this with a phone call but he wants to get his wall by using children as hostages.

    Children wont be sent to jail along with their parents, as it's their guardians who broke the law, and crossed the desert.

    6. It's sure looking like a wall would solve a lot of these issues by preventing people from crossing into the US illegally. Nope. The wall will have gaps and people will tunnel under or get in by other means including by boat.

    Not a chance, the vast majority would not take such a risk if a wall was in place. A wall WILL stop the vast majority.

    7. If the US is such a terrible country, why on earth are people still willing to risk their life ( and their children's lives) to get there. Because they are leaving life threatening conditions that are far worse. You really don't get how desperate they are and how well you have it. You are a simpleton.

    Ah, name calling... I have freedom of expression and wont be shouted down to or intimidated by name calling. It's not the United States fault that these people are not claiming refugee status in all of the other countries on their way to the US. Odd how they never travel south.

    The bias the media has for the Democrats is evident, unbelievable and revolting. I cannot even watch CNN anymore. Even reading CBC's Neil MacDonald is enough... Next we are going to be subjected to 'Canada separates kids'.. Let's just close the jails and tell the police not to enforce any laws. No, you are unbelievably revolting

    Name calling... wonderful. The problem is really stemming from the fact that the US was lax enforcing it's immigration policy for years. Now people are all upset that Trump is enforcing the policy. It's easy to do nothing, Trump said he was going to enforce the border and that is what he is doing.

    my oh my.. how this whole thread has gone down the tubes..., Nazi's, concentration camps, jews…

    First off, comparing the detention camps to concentration camps is a downright disgrace to the 6 million people slaughtered in the concentration camps.

    What are the options here ?
    1. Leave anybody with kids though the border ?
    2. Send the adults home, leave the kids stay in the US ?
    3. Open the borders to everyone ?
    4. Build a wall and deter illegal immigration ?

    How many of these people will now be crossing into Quebec at Roxham Road ??? It's only a matter of time before we hear about our 'concentration camps' in Quebec.
    So you think the Trudeau government will separate the children from their parents?
    Happens everyday in courtooms across Canada and Usa when people break the law and are incarcerated ! So why should people who are not even American or Canadian citizens break the law entering into a country illegal get special treament over them ? And yes Trudeau does seperate them daily from their parents .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
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    My response in bold


    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    Perhaps people do not realize the following

    1. Kids of parents who both go to jail in the US and Canada are separated. Claiming refugee status is not a crime
    Entering a country at a place other than a designated point of entry is in fact a crime. Almost every country on the planet has rules about where you enter the country


    2. These 'camps' existed long before Trump under heaven forbid, even Obama ( Cannot believe what Laura Bush said... has she lost her mind) That was for unattended children. Not children forcibly separated from their parents
    Would you rather have the children detained in adult detention centres ???? Or in a place where they are fed, watered, looked after, provided medical care and education ?

    3. If these families presented themselves at a port of entry, they would be processed "normally" "Contrary to what (Homeland Security) has indicated as proper procedure, we are currently seeing cases where immigrant families seeking asylum are separated after lawfully presenting themselves at a U.S. port of entry." Source

    4. To be completely honest, these parents are placing their kids in mortal danger by trying to cross deserts and enter the US illegally. In fact, they should also be charged with 'failing to provide the necessities of life' and child endangerment. It is far more complex than that. Many are traveling with uncles, cousins, family friends. Some have had to leave their home countries after their parents were arrested there. You obviously don't understand the plight of refugees
    That just adds to the whole ugly situation, now you are saying that in fact these kids may not be with their legal guardians, please do tell how you expect the US authorities to figure this whole mess out ? Just wave the kids through along with the adults who may or may not be family ?


    5. If certain members of congress are so wound about this, pass a law that prevents the separation of families. This was a Trump/Sessions policy change. No laws changed to create this zero tolerance policy. Trump could stop this with a phone call but he wants to get his wall by using children as hostages.

    Children wont be sent to jail along with their parents, as it's their guardians who broke the law, and crossed the desert.

    6. It's sure looking like a wall would solve a lot of these issues by preventing people from crossing into the US illegally. Nope. The wall will have gaps and people will tunnel under or get in by other means including by boat.

    Not a chance, the vast majority would not take such a risk if a wall was in place. A wall WILL stop the vast majority.

    7. If the US is such a terrible country, why on earth are people still willing to risk their life ( and their children's lives) to get there. Because they are leaving life threatening conditions that are far worse. You really don't get how desperate they are and how well you have it. You are a simpleton.

    Ah, name calling... I have freedom of expression and wont be shouted down to or intimidated by name calling. It's not the United States fault that these people are not claiming refugee status in all of the other countries on their way to the US. Odd how they never travel south.

    The bias the media has for the Democrats is evident, unbelievable and revolting. I cannot even watch CNN anymore. Even reading CBC's Neil MacDonald is enough... Next we are going to be subjected to 'Canada separates kids'.. Let's just close the jails and tell the police not to enforce any laws. No, you are unbelievably revolting

    Name calling... wonderful. The problem is really stemming from the fact that the US was lax enforcing it's immigration policy for years. Now people are all upset that Trump is enforcing the policy. It's easy to do nothing, Trump said he was going to enforce the border and that is what he is doing.

    my oh my.. how this whole thread has gone down the tubes..., Nazi's, concentration camps, jews…

    First off, comparing the detention camps to concentration camps is a downright disgrace to the 6 million people slaughtered in the concentration camps.

    What are the options here ?
    1. Leave anybody with kids though the border ?
    2. Send the adults home, leave the kids stay in the US ?
    3. Open the borders to everyone ?
    4. Build a wall and deter illegal immigration ?

    How many of these people will now be crossing into Quebec at Roxham Road ??? It's only a matter of time before we hear about our 'concentration camps' in Quebec.
    So you think the Trudeau government will separate the children from their parents?
    Happens everyday in courtooms across Canada and Usa when people break the law and are incarcerated ! So why should people who are not even American or Canadian citizens break the law entering into a country illegal get special treament over them ? And yes Trudeau does seperate them daily from their parents .
    you have to see what the end goal here is. First off, people are coming into the country illegally.
    The adults with whom the kids are entering the country may or may not be the parents.
    The adults are charged with a crime, the kids are not charged along with the adults - as they are minors.
    Separating the kids from the adults ( who may or may not be the parents) while the adults are charged and go through the process.

    Now, due to the 'outrage', the children are going to be held with the adults.
    In the US there is a law that says that these minors cannot be held for more than 20 days ( sorry, do not have the source)
    Now you have a situation, President Trump signed an order saying the kids cannot be separated from the adults, even though the adults can be held longer and the kids can only be held for 20 days.

    Now you have a very interesting legal situation, which is going to result in some sort of case where a judge is going to say this is cruel and unusual treatment and order the release of illegal adults with kids after a specified number of days.
    They will invariably get a court date in which to appear in front of a judge to have their case heard.

    How many of these people will actually show up at their immigration hearing ????????????

    Am I missing something here, would a wall not prevent all of the above issues ?

    Why are these refugees not claiming refugee status in Mexico ? Once you refuse to claim asylum in the first safe country, you are no longer a true refugee, you are acting outside the bounds of international refugee protection.

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    Obviously you do not choose to read. As much as 99% to 100% of immigrants showed up to their hearings when good programs were in place. Trump stopped those programs and created the crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    More deep-seeded psychosis

    Oh my god, why not keep the child out of all this. The Fonda's are weird, Peter and Hanoi Jane!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    My response in bold


    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    Perhaps people do not realize the following

    1. Kids of parents who both go to jail in the US and Canada are separated. Claiming refugee status is not a crime
    Entering a country at a place other than a designated point of entry is in fact a crime. Almost every country on the planet has rules about where you enter the country


    2. These 'camps' existed long before Trump under heaven forbid, even Obama ( Cannot believe what Laura Bush said... has she lost her mind) That was for unattended children. Not children forcibly separated from their parents
    Would you rather have the children detained in adult detention centres ???? Or in a place where they are fed, watered, looked after, provided medical care and education ?

    3. If these families presented themselves at a port of entry, they would be processed "normally" "Contrary to what (Homeland Security) has indicated as proper procedure, we are currently seeing cases where immigrant families seeking asylum are separated after lawfully presenting themselves at a U.S. port of entry." Source

    4. To be completely honest, these parents are placing their kids in mortal danger by trying to cross deserts and enter the US illegally. In fact, they should also be charged with 'failing to provide the necessities of life' and child endangerment. It is far more complex than that. Many are traveling with uncles, cousins, family friends. Some have had to leave their home countries after their parents were arrested there. You obviously don't understand the plight of refugees
    That just adds to the whole ugly situation, now you are saying that in fact these kids may not be with their legal guardians, please do tell how you expect the US authorities to figure this whole mess out ? Just wave the kids through along with the adults who may or may not be family ?


    5. If certain members of congress are so wound about this, pass a law that prevents the separation of families. This was a Trump/Sessions policy change. No laws changed to create this zero tolerance policy. Trump could stop this with a phone call but he wants to get his wall by using children as hostages.

    Children wont be sent to jail along with their parents, as it's their guardians who broke the law, and crossed the desert.

    6. It's sure looking like a wall would solve a lot of these issues by preventing people from crossing into the US illegally. Nope. The wall will have gaps and people will tunnel under or get in by other means including by boat.

    Not a chance, the vast majority would not take such a risk if a wall was in place. A wall WILL stop the vast majority.

    7. If the US is such a terrible country, why on earth are people still willing to risk their life ( and their children's lives) to get there. Because they are leaving life threatening conditions that are far worse. You really don't get how desperate they are and how well you have it. You are a simpleton.

    Ah, name calling... I have freedom of expression and wont be shouted down to or intimidated by name calling. It's not the United States fault that these people are not claiming refugee status in all of the other countries on their way to the US. Odd how they never travel south.

    The bias the media has for the Democrats is evident, unbelievable and revolting. I cannot even watch CNN anymore. Even reading CBC's Neil MacDonald is enough... Next we are going to be subjected to 'Canada separates kids'.. Let's just close the jails and tell the police not to enforce any laws. No, you are unbelievably revolting

    Name calling... wonderful. The problem is really stemming from the fact that the US was lax enforcing it's immigration policy for years. Now people are all upset that Trump is enforcing the policy. It's easy to do nothing, Trump said he was going to enforce the border and that is what he is doing.

    my oh my.. how this whole thread has gone down the tubes..., Nazi's, concentration camps, jews…

    First off, comparing the detention camps to concentration camps is a downright disgrace to the 6 million people slaughtered in the concentration camps.

    What are the options here ?
    1. Leave anybody with kids though the border ?
    2. Send the adults home, leave the kids stay in the US ?
    3. Open the borders to everyone ?
    4. Build a wall and deter illegal immigration ?

    How many of these people will now be crossing into Quebec at Roxham Road ??? It's only a matter of time before we hear about our 'concentration camps' in Quebec.
    So you think the Trudeau government will separate the children from their parents?
    Happens everyday in courtooms across Canada and Usa when people break the law and are incarcerated ! So why should people who are not even American or Canadian citizens break the law entering into a country illegal get special treament over them ? And yes Trudeau does seperate them daily from their parents .
    you have to see what the end goal here is. First off, people are coming into the country illegally.
    The adults with whom the kids are entering the country may or may not be the parents.
    The adults are charged with a crime, the kids are not charged along with the adults - as they are minors.
    Separating the kids from the adults ( who may or may not be the parents) while the adults are charged and go through the process.

    Now, due to the 'outrage', the children are going to be held with the adults.
    In the US there is a law that says that these minors cannot be held for more than 20 days ( sorry, do not have the source)
    Now you have a situation, President Trump signed an order saying the kids cannot be separated from the adults, even though the adults can be held longer and the kids can only be held for 20 days.

    Now you have a very interesting legal situation, which is going to result in some sort of case where a judge is going to say this is cruel and unusual treatment and order the release of illegal adults with kids after a specified number of days.
    They will invariably get a court date in which to appear in front of a judge to have their case heard.

    How many of these people will actually show up at their immigration hearing ????????????

    Am I missing something here, would a wall not prevent all of the above issues ?

    Why are these refugees not claiming refugee status in Mexico ? Once you refuse to claim asylum in the first safe country, you are no longer a true refugee, you are acting outside the bounds of international refugee protection.
    Apparently you missed this post from ePRT, quoting my prior post about the successful program from the Obama era that Trump cancelled a year ago.

    You missed the important part how wildly successful the Obama era program was...


    Homan was likely invoking the near-identical rates at which people in each program showed up in immigration court: 99.6% for the ankle-monitored crowd, and 100% for those paired with caseworkers. But either way the programs prove that Trump and his pals – even the ones who acted scandalized about family separation but then showed up to carry water for the president Wednesday as he prepared his strategic-retreat Executive Order – know full well that migrants can be released on their own recognizance without ghosting on the feds.
    You can read the entire article here.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-ende...-bd506068c05c/

    99.6% & 100% success rate and you don't have to take the kids from their parents or lock people in cages.

    BTW - claiming asylum is not illegal and crossing the border at a non entry point is a misdemeanour.

    And claiming Mexico is a safe state sounds like it was said by someone who has never been there or doesn't follow the news. Mexico can be a safe space IF you are aware of the situations that arise there but even Canada has issued travel advisories for travel there.

    Also, undocumented people are LESS likely to commit crimes, particularly violent crimes that people that are born in the US of A. One reason, they don't want to attract attention.

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    King Willem-Alexander of The Netherlands chimes in on Trump


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    Fake news strikes again , all the zombie liberals fall for it as gospel once again
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JI07W

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    So in keeping with fake news and fake covers of a crying girl who was never seperated , I guess all is fair in fake news


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    Quote Originally Posted by Creativemind View Post
    Fake news strikes again , all the zombie liberals fall for it as gospel once again
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JI07W

    In case you missed the point, let me put in bold from the father of the child.

    As news emerged Thursday that the mother and child were not actually separated, conservative media jumped on the story, portraying it as evidence of “fake news” surrounding the Trump administration’s immigration policies.

    It was the most prominent story on the homepage of the conservative news outlet Breitbart, which called it a “fake news photo.” Donald Trump Jr. retweeted the story on Thursday night.


    Varela pushed back against the portrayals of his daughter’s story, saying it should not cast doubt on the “human rights violations” taking place at the border.

    “This is the case for my daughter, but it is not the case for 2,000 children that were separated from their parents,” Varela said.

    Varela said he felt “proud” that his daughter has “represented the subject of immigration” and helped propel changes in policy. But he asked that Trump “put his hand on his heart.”


    He hopes that U.S. officials will grant asylum to his wife and daughter, he said.


    Asked if he would also like to come to the U.S., he said, “of course, someday.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a798b6e69af4


    I applaud Melania for going to see what is happening in Texas BUT I wonder about these facts:




    • She met with officials at one of the nicest facilities but did she meet with any actual immigrants or refugees?
    • Did she go to any facility where kids were behind chainlink fencing or in tent facilities?
    • Elected officials from Congress wanting to tour such facilities have been prevented from entering and are required to fill out forms that take two weeks to process, yet Melania who is unelected can make a surprise and they roll out the red carpet.
    • BTW, Why did her coat say she did not care? Melania please explain this with your own words.
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    Posting just to hear the high pitched whine as the Trumpers say he didn't lie or flip-flop.

    Trump changes course, stops family separation at the border

    "You can’t (end the separation of families at the border) through an executive order."
    — Donald Trump on Friday, June 15th, 2018 in remarks to reporters on the White House grounds

    As the number of children being held rose above 2,000, Trump continued to blame the Democrats for blocking a solution.


    "I hate the children being taken away," Trump told reporters June 15. "The Democrats have to change their law. That’s their law."


    Pressed on the option to use executive action, Trump said "you can’t do it through an executive order."


    Flash forward.


    Sitting in the Oval Office June 20, Trump signed an executive order that directed the Homeland Security Department to "maintain custody of alien families" while their cases move through the immigration system, "to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations."

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...aration-borde/

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    Judge rules on admissibility of Cohen files and communications.

    0.055% ruled inadmissible. 99.945% admissible in court.

    Michael Cohen had only eight communications with a legal client protected by attorney-client privilege, judge rules

    Michael Cohen was more client than attorney, a judge revealed Friday.


    Of 292,226 letters, emails, texts and other documents seized by the FBI from Cohen’s law office and residences, only eight involved Cohen speaking with a client, Manhattan Federal Court Judge Kimba Wood wrote in a new order.


    The vast majority of documents protected by attorney-client privilege involved Cohen speaking with a lawyer representing him.


    All told, 161 items were privileged or highly personal, meaning they aren’t fair game for prosecutors.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...622-story.html

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    A fascinating article that makes the argument that Trumpism is like a cult.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/tru...ctive-reality/

    Awash in declarations that anything unfavorable is “fake news,” as if such a mantra could nullify all that his supporters don’t like, pining with eschatological yearning for the moment when America will be made “great again,” and policing the contours of national “purity,” Trumpism is far from a benign cult, but rather the most dangerous and destabilizing movement in the world today. For the most extreme of his partisans, “American greatness” is a millennial moment, with some factions of the far-right referring to their messianic president as the “Emperor God.” By all appearances, as we approach the mid-point of Trump’s second year in office, that is what Trumpism has become – a millenarian personality cult which invests its leader with an arbitrary, relativistic authority where he can define “truth” as being whatever he says it is, which psychologically justifies all manner of transparently corrupt and malignant policies embraced by his adherents.

    .....

    Grandin explains that “Trumpism is a death cult.” Don’t take this as the assessment of another liberal with so-called “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” None other than Republican Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, who was an early supporter of Trump, argues much the same thing, as reported by Jordan Carney in The Hill on Wednesday that “We are in a strange place. I mean, it’s almost, it’s becoming a cultish thing, isn’t it? And it’s not a good place for any party to end up with a cult-like situation.” If that doesn’t strike you, then consider the president’s own son, Donald Trump Jr., who in response to Senator Corker’s accusation bragged to the hosts of Fox and Friends that if their movement is a “cult it’s because they like what my father is doing.”

    ....

    In just a few months we’ve gone from threatening to reign down “fire and fury” on North Korea to our equivalent of state-run media defending that country’s Stalinist regime, all because Trump happens to like Kim after they got lunch together. Cliché often has the ring of truth, so I’ll say without too much critical embarrassment that the whole thing has a whiff of Orwell about it.

    ....

    There is a disingenuousness among moderate Republicans who cynically brainwashed the bulk of their supporters with Fox News conspiracies for the better part of a generation only to now find themselves actually governed by the sorts of folks who believe those theories. At Esquire, Charles Pierce makes the important point that the cultist perspective of Trump supporters has been inculcated on the right for a very long time. The disregard for the truth, the defense of anything no matter how heinous, the dehumanization of marginalized people – all of this runs so deep and for so long that at The New Republic last month Kevin Baker made a credible argument that it’ll take truth and reconciliation committees for our nation to sort out the disarray in which we find ourselves.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    From the website of the US Holocaust Museum

    The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.


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    Not just a candidate or two. He's talking about the entire party.

    Longtime conservative George Will publishes stunning call for Americans to ‘vote against the GOP this November’

    Conservative columnist George Will is hoping President Donald Trump’s horrifying zero-tolerance policy on the border that led to the separation of thousands of kids from their parents will be the last straw for many people planning to vote Republican in the 2018 midterms.


    In a striking op-ed for the Washington Post, Will made his point directly in the headline: “Vote against the GOP this November.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/lon...-gop-november/

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    Well, which is it Donald? Are they a threat or not?

    Trump flips on North Korea, declaring country still an 'extraordinary threat'

    Donald Trump has declared that North Korea still poses an “extraordinary threat” to the United States, just days after saying that the country’s nuclear program no longer constituted a danger.


    In an executive order on Friday, the president extended for one year the so-called “national emergency” with respect to the nuclear-armed nation, re-authorizing economic restrictions against it.


    While expected, the declaration comes just nine days after Trump tweeted: “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,” following his summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...uclear-program

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    A fascinating article that makes the argument that Trumpism is like a cult.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/tru...ctive-reality/

    Awash in declarations that anything unfavorable is “fake news,” as if such a mantra could nullify all that his supporters don’t like, pining with eschatological yearning for the moment when America will be made “great again,” and policing the contours of national “purity,” Trumpism is far from a benign cult, but rather the most dangerous and destabilizing movement in the world today. For the most extreme of his partisans, “American greatness” is a millennial moment, with some factions of the far-right referring to their messianic president as the “Emperor God.” By all appearances, as we approach the mid-point of Trump’s second year in office, that is what Trumpism has become – a millenarian personality cult which invests its leader with an arbitrary, relativistic authority where he can define “truth” as being whatever he says it is, which psychologically justifies all manner of transparently corrupt and malignant policies embraced by his adherents.

    .....

    Grandin explains that “Trumpism is a death cult.” Don’t take this as the assessment of another liberal with so-called “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” None other than Republican Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, who was an early supporter of Trump, argues much the same thing, as reported by Jordan Carney in The Hill on Wednesday that “We are in a strange place. I mean, it’s almost, it’s becoming a cultish thing, isn’t it? And it’s not a good place for any party to end up with a cult-like situation.” If that doesn’t strike you, then consider the president’s own son, Donald Trump Jr., who in response to Senator Corker’s accusation bragged to the hosts of Fox and Friends that if their movement is a “cult it’s because they like what my father is doing.”

    ....

    In just a few months we’ve gone from threatening to reign down “fire and fury” on North Korea to our equivalent of state-run media defending that country’s Stalinist regime, all because Trump happens to like Kim after they got lunch together. Cliché often has the ring of truth, so I’ll say without too much critical embarrassment that the whole thing has a whiff of Orwell about it.

    ....

    There is a disingenuousness among moderate Republicans who cynically brainwashed the bulk of their supporters with Fox News conspiracies for the better part of a generation only to now find themselves actually governed by the sorts of folks who believe those theories. At Esquire, Charles Pierce makes the important point that the cultist perspective of Trump supporters has been inculcated on the right for a very long time. The disregard for the truth, the defense of anything no matter how heinous, the dehumanization of marginalized people – all of this runs so deep and for so long that at The New Republic last month Kevin Baker made a credible argument that it’ll take truth and reconciliation committees for our nation to sort out the disarray in which we find ourselves.
    I suppose we are just realizing the cult like nature of the MAGA movement now. Like any such movement I suspect it is a collection of true believers, ideologues, those with axes to grind and opportunists. In any event they are not interested in the truth especially when it casts doubt on their ideas or their dear leader. There is a reason for the saying "drink the Kool aid" in politics and I think it will not end well. A house built on a foundation of lies will not endure. At some point the opportunists and others will flee, leaving mostly the true believers to eventually go down with the Trumptanic.

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