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    Trump may survive 8 investigations too. This is politics.

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    Republicans have been investigating Hillary since she was the first lady of Arkansas. To date, they've come up with nothing. No charges laid. Zip.

    Trump, on the other hand, has been sued numerous times, usually settling out of court so he can claim that he's never lost. However, he has lost multiple cases brought against him. He's been forced to shut down his "University" and family foundation due to fraud. He's been sued numerous time for not living up to contracts.

    But yeah, let's believe him when he says that the real ones that need to be investigated are the Bidens. If he's got evidence. Real, stand up in court evidence, then lay it on the table.

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    Extortion is a high crime and the public is becoming more convinced that Trump is a crook. Two months after the whistleblower report, huge amounts of evidence and testimony have been collected. The public hearings are about to start and public opinion will force the hand of GOP Senators to vote to convict Trump.
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    Also, the Roger Stone trial has just started. Lots of new things will come to light from that. Stone's lawyer has laid out his defense as basically "He's a well known, notorious liar and you can't trust anything he's said, ever."

    And this is what Lindsay Graham said in Trump's defence about Ukraine -

    What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward the Ukraine, it was incoherent, it depends on who you talk to. They seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo.

    https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/G...mp-incompetent
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    Is he also a lawyer for Trump?

    He can use the same script.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Extortion is a high crime and the public is becoming more convinced that Trump is a crook. Two months after the whistleblower report, huge amounts of evidence and testimony have been collected. The public hearings are about to start and public opinion will force the hand of GOP Senators to vote to convict Trump.
    In theory.

    In theory, an innocent American won’t to prison. Among black Americans that idea had never even been a theory.

    The idea that a guy like Trump could never get elected was held by a whole lot of people too, right up to the very day of the election.

    (My view is that people have preconceived notions about how the world works and can’t even conceive of alternate realities or the real-reality.)

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    So what I caught DTJ saying today , was
    When Joe Biden was VP. Hunter Biden ended up on a board, he knew nothing about, in a country whose language he didn't speak, and he made $83000 a month. I have to agree, if that were Trump's son, the media would indeed, go ballistic...LOL smells fishy though.

    Also DTJ tweeting the whistle blowers name, seems to be okay. The Drudge report had it up five days before DTJ tweeted it..

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    Trump's son is already in the media for doing much much worse.

    and just because the Drudge had it up does not make it any better for DTJ to be tweeting it. Very cool very legal.

    carry on.
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    Roger Stone is not having a good day.

    Roger Stone’s Trial Is Going Very Badly for Roger Stone

    In a federal courtroom in Washington, DC, Thursday, jurors heard Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) as he questioned Roger Stone, the longtime associate of President Donald Trump. Quigley wanted to know how Stone had communicated with an intermediary who, Stone claimed, had in 2016 helped him learn what WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was planning to do with stolen Democratic emails.

    “Over the phone,” Stone responded.

    “Did you have any other means of communicating with the intermediary?” Quigley asked.

    “No,” Stone said.

    The back-and-forth came from an audio recording of Stone’s interview with the House Intelligence Committee on September 26, 2017. Stone, prosecutors argued Thursday, was lying. Under questioning from a government lawyer, former FBI agent Michelle Taylor testified that Stone had exchanged 72 written communications—texts and emails—on the very day of his House testimony with Randy Credico, the former radio host and comedian. After initially refusing to name him, Stone told the committee in October 2017 that Credico was his intermediary with WikiLeaks. Between June 2016 and September 2017, Stone and Credico exchanged thousands of messages, according to a chart presented by prosecutors Thursday. That includes 253 messages in October 2016, the month WikiLeaks began publishing emails stolen from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

    The Stone-Quigley exchange was one of five audio clips prosecutors played on Thursday in which Stone denied having written records of his contacts with his intermediary, having text messages related to the hacked Democratic emails, possessing messages related to Julian Assange, or having other records relevant to the committee’s investigation into Russian interference.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...r-roger-stone/


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    Similar to Rudy's unofficial campaign slogan "Noun, verb, 9/11"

    Trump wanted to hear 'investigations, Biden and Clinton' on Ukraine call, diplomat says
    George Kent also testified that Rudy Giuliani conducted smear campaign against ex-ambassador

    There were three words U.S. President Donald Trump wanted to hear from Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky: "Investigations, Biden and Clinton." That's according to a transcript, released Thursday, of an impeachment inquiry interview with career State Department official George Kent.


    "[Trump] wanted nothing less than President Zelensky to go to the microphone and say investigations, Biden and Clinton," Kent testified.


    "That was the message.… Zelensky needed to go to a microphone and basically there needed to be three words in the message, and that was the shorthand," he said.


    Kent told investigators that this was his understanding of what Trump wanted Zelensky to say in public, based on conversations relayed to him by others in the administration who were in contact with Ambassador Gordon Sondland.


    Clinton, he clarified, was "shorthand" for the 2016 election. It was a reference to Trump's view, pushed by his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani but outside of mainstream U.S. intelligence, that Ukraine played a role interfering in the U.S. presidential election.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/impeac...barr-1.5351585

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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-...fine-1.5351747

    A New York judge has ordered Donald Trump to pay $2 million US to settle a lawsuit alleging he misused his charitable foundation to further his political and business interests before he became U.S. president.

    New York state Judge Saliann Scarpulla imposed the penalty in connection with a lawsuit brought against Trump by the New York attorney general's office over the handling of the Trump Foundation's assets.

    Among other things, the judge ruled that Trump improperly allowed his presidential campaign staff to work with the foundation in holding a fundraiser for veterans' charities in the run-up to the 2016 Iowa caucuses. The event was designed "to further Mr. Trump's political campaign," Scarpulla said.

    In the settlement, Trump admitted, among other things, to have improperly arranged for the charity to pay $10,000 for a 6-foot portrait of him.

    He also agreed to pay back $11,525 in the organization's funds he spent on sports memorabilia and champagne at a charity gala. He also agreed to restrictions on his involvement in other charitable organizations.

    The agreement was an about-face for Trump. He and his lawyers have blasted the lawsuit as politically motivated, and he tweeted, "I won't settle this case!" when it was filed in June 2018.

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    Trump admitted guilt. Cant wait to see this one spun by the currently missing spin doctor.
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    He’d be an interesting president:

    Michael Bloomberg opens door to running for president in 2020

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...20/2523847001/

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    Whistleblower lawyer send cease and desist to White House over Trump's attacks
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...se-over-trumps

    Andrew Bakaj, one of the attorneys for the whistleblower - whose report led to House Democrats' impeachment proceedings - sent a cease and desist letter to White House counsel Pat Cipollone, telling President Trump to stop attacking his client, CNN reports.

    "I am writing to respectfully request that you counsel your client on the legal and ethical peril in which he is placing himself should anyone be physically harmed as a result of his, or his surrogates', behavior," Bakaj wrote, adding that the president is "engaging in rhetoric and activity that places my client, the Intelligence Community Whistleblower, and their family in physical danger."

    Whistleblower Advocates Demand Obstruction Probe, Suggest Don Jr. Should Be ‘Immediately Arrested’
    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...tely-arrested/

    A law firm dedicated to protecting the rights and interests of whistleblowers is demanding a federal investigation into any leaks concerning the intelligence community whistleblower responsible for alerting the public to President Donald Trump‘s alleged attempts to extort Ukrainian officials via quid pro quo.

    A letter authored by the namesake partners at Kohn, Kohn & Colapinto, LLP called on Attorney General William Barr to open a criminal investigation into any leaks of the whistleblower’s identity. Law&Crime obtained a copy of the letter on Wednesday afternoon.

    “As attorneys representing whistleblowers for over 35-years we are extremely concerned about the nation-wide ‘chilling effect’ the disclosure of the identity of any intelligence community whistleblower will necessary cause,” the two-page letter begins. “Whistleblowers need to reassurance [sic] that the laws protecting them will be strictly enforced.”

    Alarm bells went off in full fashion late Wednesday morning after Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out an article which may or may not have contained the name of the intelligence community whistleblower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    He’d be an interesting president:

    Michael Bloomberg opens door to running for president in 2020

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...20/2523847001/
    LOL
    he's a complete @sshole, ask anyone that lives in NY
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    Well then he and Trump have a lot in common.
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    What’s Bloomberg’s business history? Self-made? (Trump isn’t) Super rich? Financially knowledgeable?...

    Being an @sshole played a huge role in Trump’s success at being elected. Some voters loved it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    What’s Bloomberg’s business history? Self-made? (Trump isn’t) Super rich? Financially knowledgeable?...

    Being an @sshole played a huge role in Trump’s success at being elected. Some voters loved it.




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    There are too many of them.
    Bloomberg Stop and Frisk, targeted black people, you want the black vote, he's not going to do it.
    He questioned the metoo movement , when Charlie Rose was accused, if you want another Trump, he's your guy

    You'd think by now someone would be THE person to beat Trump, I don't think they have found that person..
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    That bump you just felt was Trump throwing Sondland under the bus.


    Trump’s claim he ‘hardly knows’ Gordon Sondland quickly gets debunked: ‘You appointed him ambassador to the EU!’

    “Gordon Sondland, a major donor and now ambassador to European Union and who spoke to Trump multiple times in recent months,” CNN’s Manu Raju tweeted. “After Sondland revised his testimony describing quid pro quo for Ukraine military aide, Trump says today: ‘Let me just tell you I hardly know the gentleman.'”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/tru...dor-to-the-eu/

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    Why the investigation wants to talk to Trump's chief of staff.

    White House officials testify quid pro quo effort was coordinated with Mulvaney

    Fiona Hill, the former National Security Council staffer responsible for Russia and Ukraine, told lawmakers during her testimony that it became clear during a July 10 meeting at the White House that an Oval Office visit for Ukraine’s president was contingent on him opening an investigation into President Trump’s political rivals.


    Hill told lawmakers that Gordon Sondland, the US Ambassador to the European Union, said there was an agreement with acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney that “they would have a White House meeting or, you know, a Presidential meeting, if the Ukrainians started up these investigations again.”

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...812bbe07c98c96

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    Seems that she was a good soldier.

    Nikki Haley: Top aides 'told ex-UN envoy to undermine Trump' - BBC News

    “ In a new book, Ms Haley says then-Chief of Staff John Kelly and then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told her to resist some of Mr Trump's demands.

    They reportedly told her they were "trying to save the country".

    There was no immediate comment from Mr Tillerson. Mr Kelly said he had wanted the president to be fully informed.

    "If by 'resistance' and 'stalling' she means putting a staff process in place... to ensure [Mr Trump] knew all the pros and cons of what policy decision he might be contemplating so he could make an informed decision, then guilty as charged," Mr Kelly told US broadcaster CBS.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50370347
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    Yeah, let's ignore the constitution and let presidents get away with anything for four years.

    Nikki Haley's political chess move on Trump

    Given everything that has come to light about Trump and Ukraine, and with public hearings set for next week, Haley's comments are ridiculously dismissive. Haley continued in her bizarre attempt to defend Trump and dismiss his impending impeachment by questioning why the American people aren't involved in the decision.


    "I think the biggest thing that bothers me is the American people should decide this," Haley said. "Why do we have a bunch of people in Congress making this decision?"


    Is this former Trump administration official and governor of South Carolina suffering from amnesia? Or did she somehow make it to the highest ranks of government without realizing the Constitution says it is ​precisely the job of Congress to impeach?

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/10/opini...ain/index.html

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    Positioning, should Trump get re-elected or should she seek to run for president herself.
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    Key Quote; "America Firsters who believe the Trump administration has been taken captive by a cabal of internationalists, free-traders, and apologists for mass immigration." FCOL

    Donald Trump Jr walks out of Triggered book launch after heckling – from (right wing) supporters
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rom-supporters
    Donald Trump Jr ventured on to the University of California’s overwhelmingly liberal Los Angeles campus on Sunday, hoping to prove what he had just argued in his book – that a hate-filled American left was hell-bent on silencing him and anyone else who supported the Trump presidency.

    But the appearance backfired when his own supporters, diehard Make America Great Again conservatives, raised their voices most loudly in protest and ended up drowning him out barely 20 minutes into an event scheduled to last two hours.

    The audience was angry that Trump Jr and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, would not take questions. The loud shouts of “USA! USA!” that greeted Trump when he first appeared on the stage of a university lecture hall to promote his book Triggered: How The Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us quickly morphed into even louder, openly hostile chants of “Q and A! Q and A!”

    The 450-strong audience had just been told they would not be allowed to ask questions, “due to time constraints”.

    At first, Trump and Guilfoyle tried to ignore the discontent, which originated with a fringe group of America Firsters who believe the Trump administration has been taken captive by a cabal of internationalists, free-traders, and apologists for mass immigration.

    When the shouting would not subside, Trump Jr tried – and failed – to argue that taking questions from the floor risked creating soundbites that leftwing social media posters would abuse and distort. Nobody was buying that.

    In minutes, the entire argument put forward by the president’s son – that he was willing to engage in dialogue but that it was the left that refused to tolerate free speech – crumbled.

    “I’m willing to listen…” Trump began.
    “Q and A! Q and A!” the audience yelled back.
    “We’ll go into the lion’s den and talk …” Trump tried again.
    “Then open the Q and A!” came the immediate response.

    Guilfoyle, forced to shout to make herself heard, told students in the crowd: “You’re not making your parents proud by being rude and disruptive.” She and Trump Jr left the stage moments later.

    The fiasco pointed to a factional rift on the Trump-supporting conservative right that has been growing rapidly in recent weeks, particularly among “zoomers” – student-age activists. On one side are one of the sponsors of Trump Jr’s book tour, Turning Point USA, a campus conservative group with a track record of bringing provocative rightwing speakers to liberal universities.

    On the other side are far-right activists – often referred to as white supremacists and neo-Nazis, although many of them reject such labels – who believe in slamming the door on all immigrants, not just those who cross the border without documents, and who want an end to America’s military and diplomatic engagement with the wider world.
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    Interesting. Even I know that the term long used in US history for such people is: isolationist.

    Isolationism - Wikipedia

    Isolationism is a category of foreign policies institutionalized by leaders who assert that nations' best interests are best served by keeping the affairs of other countries at a distance. One possible motivation for limiting international involvement is to avoid being drawn into dangerous and otherwise undesirable conflicts. There may also be a perceived benefit from avoiding international trade agreements or other mutual assistance pacts.[1]

    Isolationism has been defined as:

    A policy or doctrine of trying to isolate one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, and generally attempting to make one's economy entirely self-reliant; seeking to devote the entire efforts of one's country to its own advancement, both diplomatically and economically, while remaining in a state of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities.[2]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism
    Immigration And Isolationism - We've Been Here Before
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    Republicans Demand That Everyone in Witness-Protection Program Appear on National TV




    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Saying that “enough is enough,” congressional Republicans demanded on Monday that the thousands of people in the nation’s witness-protection program be required to appear on national television.


    “What kind of a country protects someone’s identity just because they were instrumental in bringing a criminal to justice?” Representative Jim Jordan, of Ohio, asked. “I don’t want to live in a country like that.”


    Representative Devin Nunes, of California, concurred. “Anonymity is all well and good, but we should be able to look at these people and know their names,” he said.


    At the United States Senate, Lindsey Graham told reporters that “it’s time for people in the witness-protection program to put up or shut up.”


    “I want these people to go on TV and say what they have to say, and then I fully intend not to listen to them,” the senator said.

    By Andy Borowitz
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    Nikki Haley says Trump was always "truthful"

    https://www.axios.com/nikki-haley-do...2088dc578.html


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nikki-h...hment-process/
    Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley vigorously defended the president Tuesday, telling NBC's "Today" show that the president is a truthful person, and was truthful "in every instance" she interacted with him.
    Back in reality

    President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/14/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/
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    Trump lied? Colour me shocked!

    Stone Trial Reveals Trump Likely Lied to Mueller

    The revelations came from Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aid who took the stand as federal prosecutors wrapped up their case against Stone, the longtime Trump adviser who was charged with lying to Congress about his efforts to interact with WikiLeaks in 2016. In court, Gates described a July 31, 2016, phone call he witnessed while in car with Trump headed to LaGuardia Airport—nine days after WikiLeaks had dumped tens of thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee. Gates said he could not hear what Stone was saying, but saw Stone’s number on Trump’s caller ID and recognized Stone’s voice. After the call, Trump “indicated that more information would be coming” out, Gates testified.

    Gates’ testimony contradicts Stone’s claim to the House Intelligence Committee that he did not communicate with anyone on the Trump campaign about information he claimed to have gathered regarding WikiLeaks’ plans to release hacked Democratic information. But more significantly, it calls into question Trump’s assertions to Mueller’s team. In written responses to the prosecutors last year, Trump stated, “I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with [Stone], nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks with individuals associated with my campaign.” Trump also told Mueller: “I do not recall being told during the campaign that Roger Stone or anyone associated with my campaign had discussions with any of the entities named in the question [including WikiLeaks] regarding the content or timing of release of hacked emails.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ed-to-mueller/

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    Crickets from the biggest Trump defender MrOilers.... though he's been elsewhere on the forums. He'll probably chime in now that he doesn't want to get bullied or some other snowflake reason, and come back with republican talking points once they ever figure that out... most of them are ready to let Trump hang to dry...
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    Nice to know that even when I don't make a post for a few days that I am still living rent-free in the heads of lefties.

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    nice to know you disappear anytime Trump is in neck deep, only to come back out once the heat is turned down a bit.
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    Just waiting for MrOilers to use Trumpism talking points that try to gaslight us to believe that treason, corruption and extortion are not as bad as lying about a blowjob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    nice to know you disappear anytime Trump is in neck deep, only to come back out once the heat is turned down a bit.
    Well, he’s back now, and Trump seems to be getting caught again in his lies, or is it just that Trump is forgetful of important conversations - just what they want in a person running the country.

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    Trump's opponents (Democrats or in media) are always trying to attack him with another made-up scandal or accuse him of another conspiracy like the Russian collusion hoax. It's an everyday thing. Truly nobody can keep up with their madness.

    Like I said earlier, this whole "we're gonna impeach him" stunt by the Democrats is going to excite Trump haters, generate lots of drama for media people to rant about, and literally waste everybody's time. Just like the two-year long Russian collusion investigation did. Democrats are proving every day they learned nothing from the 2016 election.

    So while the Democrats focus on trying to sabotage Trump instead of actually campaigning to get voters excited about their party, Trump will waltz backwards straight into a second term. And afterwards, all his opponents will still continue to scream, yell, cry, blame, and insult everyone else and wonder how they missed yet another sure-shot election win.

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    I'm sure when he loses the election in 2020, if he's not impeached first, you'll be crying foul. I can't wait to see your flipflop
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    You're missing the point. Trump isn't lying. Literally EVERYBODY else is lying. Why can't people see this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Trump's opponents (Democrats or in media) are always trying to attack him with another made-up scandal or accuse him of another conspiracy like the Russian collusion hoax. It's an everyday thing. Truly nobody can keep up with their madness.

    Like I said earlier, this whole "we're gonna impeach him" stunt by the Democrats is going to excite Trump haters, generate lots of drama for media people to rant about, and literally waste everybody's time. Just like the two-year long Russian collusion investigation did. Democrats are proving every day they learned nothing from the 2016 election.

    So while the Democrats focus on trying to sabotage Trump instead of actually campaigning to get voters excited about their party, Trump will waltz backwards straight into a second term. And afterwards, all his opponents will still continue to scream, yell, cry, blame, and insult everyone else and wonder how they missed yet another sure-shot election win.
    Maybe so. Same for the Conservative supporters here in Alberta. It’s how politics and the media typically behave. I don’t think it’s new or something peculiar to the Democrats. I believe I see it in your own obstinance towards seeing each side as equally capable of bad behaviour.
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    ^^^ MrOiler, how we missed your gaslighting BS. You totally ignore the facts that Trump handed the press the rough transcripts that proved in his own words that he wanted a favor to investigate a fake conspiracy and was using Congressionally approve military aide to advance Trump's own election interests by extortion.

    That is a high crime.

    Moreover the Whistleblower has been vindicated by multiple respected authorities that have give sworn testimonies to those facts.

    Trump has not provided a single word of testimony under oath.

    We all recall the 9 hours of testimony that Hillary gave under oath and the Rrpublicans could not rattle any evidence against her.

    Trump can't complete a sentence without lying.
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    Imperfect transcripts.

    MrOilers might be right for the wrong reasons. His calling it a hoax, made-up etc. flies in the face of many substantiated facts that came to light and thus supported reasonable suspicions. Willing participation with an enemy state may not be collusion but it’s sure not respectable upstanding trustworthy behaviour.

    An impeached and convicted Trump could still run in 2020. Here’s how to stop him. - The Washington Post
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    Hillary Clinton 'under enormous pressure' to run in 2020 - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50399230

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    Worst. Idea. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Hillary Clinton 'under enormous pressure' to run in 2020 - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50399230
    Rofl.!!!! Omg..lol
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    Stay out of it Hillary. The US needs new leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Trump handed the press the rough transcripts that proved in his own words that he wanted a favor to investigate a fake conspiracy and was using Congressionally approve military aide to advance Trump's own election interests by extortion.
    No it doesn't. We can all read the damn transcript ourselves, and it doesn't say nor imply any of that anywhere.

    If you choose to use you imagination you could interpret it that way, which is what the Democrats are trying to do. They pretend that nobody else has read those transcripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Trump handed the press the rough transcripts that proved in his own words that he wanted a favor to investigate a fake conspiracy and was using Congressionally approve military aide to advance Trump's own election interests by extortion.
    No it doesn't. We can all read the damn transcript ourselves, and it doesn't say nor imply any of that anywhere.

    If you choose to use you imagination you could interpret it that way, which is what the Democrats are trying to do. They pretend that nobody else has read those transcripts.
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    ^^ "I want you to do us a favor though" before discussing the Bidens and CrowdStrike server conspiracy theory; as he withholds $391 million in much needed weapons as Ukraine fights a hot war with Russia. Trump does not mention any other corruption in the Ukraine other than issues that benefit him and when later asked by reporters, trump could not name a single other corruption issue of US concern in Ukraine.

    Immediately after the 'perfect' call, WH lawyers scramble to hide the evidence and any related discussions are locked up on a super secret server.

    If Russia is listening, find Trump's evidence...


    Trump will do anything to become a two term President to continue to profit from his position and keep himself out of prison. As Trump said, "You've been hearing me say it's a rigged system, but now I don't say it anymore because I won. It's true. Now I don't care."

    MrOilers, you are a blathering Trump sycophant with zero credible evidence that exonerates the President. A half dozen respected people in his administration including Sondland who gave a million dollars to Trump's Inauguration have testified to the fact, those thousands of pages of hearing transcripts have been made public and you have remained silent. TODAY the public hearings begin and the end to Trump's Presidency begins as well.
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    If Trump is soooo honest, has nothing to hide and the call was "perfect", why does he not come to the hearings today, swear an oath to tell the truth and sit down to answer Congressional questions?
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    https://intelligence.house.gov/defendourdemocracy/

    Lots of great info about Trump's "perfect" call there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Trump handed the press the rough transcripts that proved in his own words that he wanted a favor to investigate a fake conspiracy and was using Congressionally approve military aide to advance Trump's own election interests by extortion.
    No it doesn't. We can all read the damn transcript ourselves, and it doesn't say nor imply any of that anywhere.

    If you choose to use you imagination you could interpret it that way, which is what the Democrats are trying to do. They pretend that nobody else has read those transcripts.
    You can say all that but it seems like a lot of people lining up to testify against what you are trying to say. Today should be the beginning of where you start to eat crow.
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    Hillary Clinton 'under enormous pressure' to run in 2020 - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50399230
    under enormous pressure????

    probably from the donald.

    she was the only potential candidate in 2016 he stood a chance of defeating and the same is probably true for 2020. he would probably contribute to her nomination campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    Hillary Clinton 'under enormous pressure' to run in 2020 - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50399230
    under enormous pressure????

    probably from the donald.

    she was the only potential candidate in 2016 he stood a chance of defeating and the same is probably true for 2020. he would probably contribute to her nomination campaign.
    But if Donald was behind it, it would have been stated as ginormous pressure

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    Remember how Trump never met or doesn't know Giuliani's incarcerated business associates? Yeah, not so much: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...39d_story.html

    The president’s hostility to Yovanovitch appears to have begun even earlier than previously known. He reacted strongly when her role in Ukraine came up with Parnas and Fruman at the April 30, 2018, dinner at his Washington hotel, according to Parnas’s account.
    The good news is that Parnas or Fruman will most likely flip on Giuliani in due course.

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    Hasn't Parnas done so already?
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    Republican speaker's opening statement is attacking the Democrats, not addressing any sort of evidence or defence of Trump.

    Obstruct, obfuscate and deflect.
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    Only the best people: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...te-department/

    Also, it'll be interesting to see if Miller can ride this out: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e-nationalism/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Republican speaker's opening statement is attacking the Democrats, not addressing any sort of evidence or defence of Trump.
    You must be new to these things. That's what all that Washington politicians ever do to each other.

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    Funny, the Chairman Adam Schiff spoke of the evidence, the Constitution and the President, not attacking the Republicans.


    It is interesting that the Republicans consistently lied that the earlier hearings were done in secret even though that Republican lawmakers had standing in the closed door hearings and were freely able to ask questions of the witnesses.

    The Republicans demanded an open hearing and now that they are, Republican leaders state that they will not listen or watch the hearings.

    Republicans Railed Against Secret Impeachment Hearings, But Now Say They Won’t Watch The Public Ones
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-tv-wont-watch

    Republicans say they’re refusing to pay attention to the impeachment inquiry out of principle. Asked if he will be tuning in when the inquiry begins televised hearings next week, Sen. Lindsey Graham said, simply, “no.” He later added, “I think the whole process is a sham.”

    This has become a common refrain from the president’s most ardent supporters — that every bit of evidence made public is tainted by the partisan nature of the inquiry. Republican Rep. Ted Yoho, who is actually on one of the committees overseeing the impeachment inquiry,*said last month*he hasn’t been showing up to the hearings because the inquiry has no credibility. “It’s 100% political,” said Yoho. “That’s why I haven’t gone down to any of the hearings. I’m truly convinced in three weeks this won’t even be talked about.”
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    They want to impeach based on their own interpretations.

    The Republicans are right to dismiss this charade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    They want to impeach based on their own interpretations.

    The Republicans are right to dismiss this charade.
    No, those are sworn testimonies by multiple nonpartisan witnesses. That is evidence.

    So the Republicans are deliberately making their own interpretation and misleading the public as they create a false narrative. This is also Trump's first goal to mislead the public with debunked conspiracy theories and manipulating a foreign country to investigate a political opponent for his own personal benefit.

    Trump and his close administration had no interest in rooting out corruption and illegal activities in Ukraine nor help them create a official Court to do so but Trump was only interested in the Bidens and Crowdstrike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    They want to impeach based on their own interpretations.

    The Republicans are right to dismiss this charade.
    No, those are sworn testimonies by multiple nonpartisan witnesses. That is evidence.
    This is just posturing and political showmanship. All they did was present second-hand hearsay (again). But hearsay is not evidence.

    I'll show some actual interest if anybody presents any real evidence.

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    Prepping that "no true scotsman" dodge early I see.
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    All that is being presented and discussed is a bunch of third and fourth hand information provided by life long never-Trumpers.

    Today has been a total joke.

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    reposted from elsewhere

    Summary of the first day of impeachment hearings:
    Ambassador to Ukraine, Amb. Taylor, just confirmed a quid pro quo, bribery, and extortion.[1]
    Diplomat Bill Taylor says EU ambassador Gordon Sondland said on a September 1 call that "everything was dependent, including security assistance" on a public announcement by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky of investigations of Burisma and the alleged interference of the 2016 election.
    Sondland added, according to Taylor, that President Trump wanted Zelensky "in a public box by making a public statement about ordering such investigations."
    Taylor said he responded to Sondland that "President Trump should have more respect for another head of state."
    Ambassador Taylor was extremely troubled by withholding aid to an ally dependent on it.[2]
    Democratic Counsel Daniel Goldman asks Taylor why he was so troubled by what was going on in terms of the withholding of aid.
    "It's one thing to try and leverage another meeting in the White House, it's another thing I thought to leverage security assistance to a country at war dependent on both the security assistance and demonstration of support," he said.
    Ambassador Taylor testified that a member of his staff heard President Trump ask Ambassador Sondland about "the investigation." When Sondland was asked about Trump's views about Ukraine by Ambassador Taylor, Sondland stated that "President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for."[3]
    Taylor says a member of his staff, on July 26, heard EU Amb. Sondland call Trump at a restaurant.
    "The member of my staff could hear President Trump on the phone, asking Ambassador Sondland about “the investigations.” Ambassador Sondland told President Trump that the Ukrainians were ready to move forward," he said.
    "Following the call with President Trump, the member of my staff asked Ambassador Sondland what President Trump thought about Ukraine. Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for," he says. "At the time I gave my deposition on October 22, I was not aware of this information. I am including it here for completeness."
    Ambassador Taylor has painted a devastating picture of President Trump pursuing his own personal interests by leveraging security and military assistance for politically motivated investigations against his domestic rivals.[4]
    Much of the rest of Mr. Taylor’s testimony was consistent with what he told the panel previously, an account that included vivid details of how he discovered that Mr. Trump was conditioning “everything” about the United States relationship with Ukraine — including needed military aid and a White House meeting for Ukraine’s president — on the country’s willingness to commit publicly to investigations of his political rivals. His testimony made it clear that the Ukrainians were well aware of the prerequisites at the time.
    Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and the Caucasus George Kent described efforts to start politically motivated investigations were infecting U.S. policy towards protecting Ukraine against Russian aggression.[5] President Trump's personal attorney conducted a smear campaign against an anti-corruption U.S. official, former Ambassador Yovanavitch.
    George P. Kent, a senior State Department official and one of two star witnesses at Wednesday’s impeachment hearing, testified that Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, conducted a smear campaign against the United States ambassador to Ukraine and led an effort to “gin up politically motivated investigations,” according to a copy of his opening statement.
    Mr. Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state for Europe and the Caucasus, appeared before the House Intelligence Committee Wednesday morning along with William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, for the first public impeachment hearing as Democrats began to build their case that Mr. Trump committed extortion, bribery or coercion by trying to enlist Ukraine to help him in the 2020 elections.
    In his opening statement, Mr. Kent said that he concluded by mid-August that Mr. Giuliani’s efforts to pressure President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to open investigations into Mr. Trump’s rivals “were now infecting U.S. engagement with Ukraine, leveraging President Zelensky’s desire for a White House meeting.”
    Mr. Kent also assailed what he called a “campaign to smear” American officials serving in Ukraine, which succeeded with the ouster of Marie L. Yovanovitch, the former United States ambassador to Ukraine.

    1) CNN Live Updates - Taylor says EU ambassador said "everything was dependent" on Ukraine's public announcement of the investigations Trump wanted
    2) Fox News - Trump impeachment inquiry hearings begin: live blog
    3) Fox News - Trump impeachment inquiry hearings begin: live blog
    4) New York Times Live Updates - The top Ukraine diplomat revealed he was told that Trump was more concerned about investigations of Biden than Ukraine.
    5) New York Times Live Updates - George Kent testified that efforts to ‘gin up politically motivated investigations’ were ‘infecting’ U.S. policy toward Ukraine.
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    more from the same elsewhere

    The following developments get worse;
    Several associates of the President's personal attorney have been arrested and charged by the Justice Department for violating campaign finance laws. Giuliani's associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were engaged in a scheme to funnel foreign money into American political campaigns so they could buy influence in the U.S.. Furthermore, Giuliani was working with Parnas and Fruman in Ukraine trying to land lucrative bussiness deals between President Trump's allies and one of the largest Ukrainian state owned gas companies. This occurred a few months prior to President Trump withholding military aid while pushing the newly elected Ukrainian President to investigate President Trump's domestic political rival.
    Associates working closely with Giuliani were arrested and charged by the Justice Department as they tried to influence American politics.[1]
    Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin, the defendants, conspired to circumvent the federal laws against foreign influence by engaging in a scheme to funnel foreign money to candidates for federal and state office so that the defendants could buy potential influence with candidates, campaigns, and the candidates' governments. The defendants concealed the scheme from candidates, campaigns, federal regulators, and the public by entering into secret agreements, laundering foreign money through bank accounts in the names of limited liability corporations, and through the use of straw donors (also known as "conduits" or "straw contributors") who purported to make legal campaign contributions in their own names, rather than in the name of the true source of the funds.
    Months before the now infamous phone call between President Trump and newly elected President Zelenksy, Guiliani was in Ukraine trying to find dirt on Biden. He was working with his business associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman.[2] During the same period in which they were helping Giuliani in Ukraine, Parnas and Fruman were pursuing a lucrative deal with a Ukrainian state owned oil company known as Naftogaz. They were part of a group trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine's massive oil company.[3]
    What have we learned since Giuliani's associates were arrested? Parnas and Fruman were working on behalf of Pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch Dmitry Firtash who is currently detained in Vienna fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges.

    • Two of Giuliani's associates were trying to fly out of the U.S. and possibly to Vienna, Austria.[4]

    Mr. Giuliani said Thursday that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman were headed to Vienna, Austria, on Wednesday evening for reasons related to their business. He said the two men had also left the country about two weeks ago and had traveled to Vienna between three and six times in the last two months. He said he had been scheduled to meet with the two when they were to return to Washington within days.
    • Around the same time his associates were arrested at Dulles airport, Giuliani told a reporter that he was about to fly out to Vienna.[5]
    • A Pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch is detained in Vienna. Dmitry Firtash is fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges.[6] Curiously, Giuliani's indicted associate was working on behalf of Firtash.[7]
    • While President Trump has attempted to distance himself from Giuliani's indicted associate Lev Parnas, we have learned that Parnas attended a private 2016 election night party.[8]
    • We have learned that President Trump removed a career state department official from her post following complaints from Giuliani and his associates.[9] Former Republican congressman Pete Sessions began to attack Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch on conservative media outlets. From recent indictments we have learned that Pete Sessions was being funded by Giuliani's associates Parnas and Furman. These associates have been indicted by the DoJ for trying to bribe American politicians. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch was a career public servant that supported anti-corruption initiatives in Ukraine, however she was removed from her position while Giuliani's associates as well as President Trump tried to influence the Ukrainian government.[10]


    1) United States District Court Southern District of New York - United States of America v. Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin
    2) NPR - Meet The Businessman Helping Giuliani Try To Find Dirt On Democrats In Ukraine
    3) Associated Press - Profit, not politics: Trump allies sought Ukraine gas deal
    4) Wall Street Journal - Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Charged With Campaign-Finance Violations: Prosecutors say Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were part of a conspiracy to funnel foreign money into U.S. elections
    5) The Atlantic - The Mystery of Rudy Giuliani’s Vienna Trip
    6) Time - Exclusive: How a Ukrainian Oligarch Wanted by U.S. Authorities Helped Giuliani Attack Biden
    7) Reuters - Indicted Giuliani associate worked on behalf of Ukrainian oligarch Firtash
    Politico - Indicted Giuliani associate attended private ‘16 election night party for ‘friend’ Trump
    9) Wall Street Journal - Trump Ordered Ukraine Ambassador Removed After Complaints From Giuliani, Others
    10) NPR - How Former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch Became A Target In Ukraine
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    All that is being presented and discussed is a bunch of third and fourth hand information provided by life long never-Trumpers.

    Today has been a total joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    All that is being presented and discussed is a bunch of third and fourth hand information provided by life long never-Trumpers.

    Today has been a total joke.

    At first I thought it was a slip of the tongue but when I googled “lifelong never-Trumper” it actually popped up in a number of hits. This makes you appear quite impressionable because it’s basically a nonsensical catchphrase that should have died out after one or two uses.

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    I guess life long never Trumpers are less than 6 years old.

    It is hilarious to watch MrOilers grab Trump talking points without thinking or applying a reasonable analysis of the context and then claim that the people involved were 3rd and 4th hand witnesses. Sondland is one of those people and he was in direct contact with Trump and was coordinating and advancing Trump's agenda and was certainly not a " life time never Trumper" because never Trumpers don't give Trump's Inauguration committee a $1,000,000.00 and then go work for him and Trump loudly and repeatedly praises Sondland. Yet after his testimony, Trump claims he barely know him.

    Funny that...
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    Why would Trump a "Lifelong never-Trumper" as ambassador to Ukraine and the EU?


    Meanwhile, what do you think the odds are that Trump will take them up on this opportunity to clear up the "misconceptions" of his perfect phone call? What's less than zero percent?

    Following comments from Republican Rep. Jim Jordan that Congress will not get the chance to question "the guy who started it all. The whistleblower," Democratic Rep. Peter Welch kicked off his time for questioning by addressing Jordan:


    "I'd be glad to have the person who started it all come in and testify," Welch said. "President Trump is welcome to take a seat right there."

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-19/index.html

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    So many people should be going to jail over this, it's just incredible. And several should be tried for treason; especially Trump. The US has been turned in to a banana republic so that Trump and his cronies can enrich themselves, while American interests are sacrificed. Nearly every major foreign policy action he's taken has been to the benefit of America's adversaries. I wonder what the intelligence agencies of the various NATO countries know about all this. They must be aghast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    The US has been turned in to a banana republic so that Trump and his cronies can enrich themselves, while American interests are sacrificed.
    You are nuts if you believe that Trump started this, or that a great number of Presidents before him didn't do this exact thing you're blaming him for.

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    The video clip from today is a great summary of the entire hearing (transcript below)


    Rep Jordan (Republican): You didn’t listen in on President Trump & Zelensky’s call?

    Taylor: I did not.



    Jordan: You’ve never talked with Chief of Staff Mulvaney?

    Taylor: I never did.



    Jordan: You’ve never met the President?

    Taylor: That’s correct.



    Jordan: And you’re their star witness.

    https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status...485732353?s=20

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    The US has been turned in to a banana republic so that Trump and his cronies can enrich themselves, while American interests are sacrificed.
    You are nuts if you believe that Trump started this, or that a great number of Presidents before him didn't do this exact thing you're blaming him for.
    What a sweeping generalization.


    Which great Presidents and what examples do you have of doing the exact same thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The video clip from today is a great summary of the entire hearing (transcript below)


    Rep Jordan (Republican): You didn’t listen in on President Trump & Zelensky’s call?

    Taylor: I did not.



    Jordan: You’ve never talked with Chief of Staff Mulvaney?

    Taylor: I never did.



    Jordan: You’ve never met the President?

    Taylor: That’s correct.



    Jordan: And you’re their star witness.

    https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status...485732353?s=20

    It all seems very thin, they didn't look that happy on CNN..but they will always have Mueller I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    The US has been turned in to a banana republic so that Trump and his cronies can enrich themselves, while American interests are sacrificed.
    You are nuts if you believe that Trump started this, or that a great number of Presidents before him didn't do this exact thing you're blaming him for.
    What a sweeping generalization.


    Which great Presidents and what examples do you have of doing the exact same thing?
    I think he means Nixon.

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    Today is just the beginning, and MrOilers and HL are both skipping the meat and potatoes for memes and summaries that really don't tell the full story of what happened today, the first day of impeachment hearings. Lots more to come.

    You've all have the wool pulled over your eyes for so long that you'll be blind when the wool is removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    The US has been turned in to a banana republic so that Trump and his cronies can enrich themselves, while American interests are sacrificed.
    You are nuts if you believe that Trump started this, or that a great number of Presidents before him didn't do this exact thing you're blaming him for.
    What a sweeping generalization.


    Which great Presidents and what examples do you have of doing the exact same thing?
    Obama
    Dubya
    Clinton
    Bush Sr
    Reagan
    etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Today is just the beginning...
    They began years ago. And they'll keep up this bickering right through to the end of Trump's second term.

    I hoped people like you would've learned something from the 2-year long Russian collusion hoax that made your shorts moist every time you heard Robert Mueller's name, but I suppose not. Oh well. Maybe you'll learn something from today's go-nowhere hearing or when Trump waltzes backwards right into his second term a year from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The video clip from today is a great summary of the entire hearing (transcript below)


    Rep Jordan (Republican): You didn’t listen in on President Trump & Zelensky’s call?

    Taylor: I did not.



    Jordan: You’ve never talked with Chief of Staff Mulvaney?

    Taylor: I never did.



    Jordan: You’ve never met the President?

    Taylor: That’s correct.



    Jordan: And you’re their star witness.

    https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status...485732353?s=20

    It all seems very thin, they didn't look that happy on CNN..but they will always have Mueller I guess.
    Based on the reasoning that authorities have no authority, Hitler could have pleaded innocence and the Republicans would have cleared him of any guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    The US has been turned in to a banana republic so that Trump and his cronies can enrich themselves, while American interests are sacrificed.
    You are nuts if you believe that Trump started this, or that a great number of Presidents before him didn't do this exact thing you're blaming him for.
    What a sweeping generalization.


    Which great Presidents and what examples do you have of doing the exact same thing?
    Obama
    Dubya
    Clinton
    Bush Sr
    Reagan
    etc.
    Nope, you are wrong again.

    They had scandals but never the exact same thing by far than Trump. For example, during the Obama era, the most significant event was probably Fast and Furious which was a

    "Gunwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic used by the Arizona U.S. Attorney's Office and the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5] in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them".[6] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[7] The Jacob Chambers Case began in October 2009 and eventually became known in February 2010 as "Operation Fast and Furious" after agents discovered Chambers and the other suspects under investigation belonged to a car club.[1]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

    May 3rd, 2011 Eric Holder testified before the House Judiciary Committee
    Eric Holder, Obama's Attorney General only found out about the sting operation in the spring of 2011, some 18 months after it was started Arizona agents in Oct 2009.

    October 12, 2011 - The House Oversight Committee issues a subpoena for communications from Holder and other DOJ officials related to the federal gunrunning operation.

    November 8, 2011 - Holder testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

    June 28, 2012 - The House of Representatives votes 255-67 to hold Holder in criminal contempt of Congress. Note the bipartisan vote

    Did Obama order Holder not to testify, NOPE
    Did Holder testify, Yes, TWICE
    Did Obama call anyone who testified, Never Obamains, NOPE
    Did Obama call the Press, enemies of the People, NOPE
    Did Obama use fast and Furious in an attempt to win an upcoming election, NOPE
    Did Obama or Holder collude with a foreign country to dig up dirt on their political opponents and withhold hundreds of millions of Congressionally approved military aide, NOPE, not once


    See, MrOilers, you are guilty of spreading false information and trying to make moral equivalents for the most corrupt President ever, Donald J. Trump, the real estate Con Man.
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    Schiff's an arrogant creep isn't he
    There's something about him, that makes my skin crawl oh well, more to come I suspect most people had work today

    I heard things in passing, I'm not fussed either way, although Bidens name was mentioned, not good for an up and coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Oh FFS. Is this another Trump thread. What is with you people.
    Why not start a thread on Trump's Bathroom Décor, Trump's Shirt Buttons, Trump's Leftover Breakfast etc.
    Yes the guy can be an outright buffoon but he's president of the U S A and that's it. Get over it, quit making nonsensical nothings about it.
    It's bad enough PTR bleating away on other threads so do we really need another one to listen to his rendering.
    It's the same Trump thread that KC started nearly 3 years ago

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    With millions of pages of transcripts and evidence against Trump, I think most Americans will just wait for the cartoon to come out. Magilla Gorilla II "We'll try again next week."



    MAGILLA GORILLA & YOGI BEAR for President - YouTube
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    Meanwhile, Turkey is now going after Kurdish Christians. Trump silent.

    Turkish forces launch attacks on Syrian Christian communities as Trump welcomes Erdogan to the White House

    As the White House meeting between the two leaders took place, reports emerged that Turkish forces launched an attack on the predominantly Christian Syrian town of Til Temir.


    In a tweet from Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) commander Mazloum Abdi, the attack is causing “massive displacement of the residents” and is a violation of the ceasefire deal between Turkish and Kurdish factions.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/11/tur...e-white-house/
    And it's not as if he couldn't talk to Edrogan since he was standing right next to him at the White House while Edrogan was denying the Armenian Genocide ever happened.

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    This is an interesting comment: https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1194655455684919296

    Sondland calling Trump on a cellphone from Kyiv is extraordinary for all sorts of reasons. Normally EU Ambos don’t call presidents. They never do so to discuss Ukraine policy. Doing so on a cellphone from Kyiv means whole world was listening in.
    Like I said, I wonder what other intelligence agencies have on all this. Whether that be NATO allies, or China and Russia.

    edit: more here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...39d_story.html

    “The security ramifications are insane — using an open cellphone to communicate with the president of the United States,” said Larry Pfeiffer, a former senior director of the White House Situation Room and a former chief of staff to the CIA director. “In a country that is so wired with Russian intelligence, you can almost take it to the bank that the Russians were listening in on the call.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    The video clip from today is a great summary of the entire hearing (transcript below)

    Rep Jordan (Republican): You didn’t listen in on President Trump & Zelensky’s call?

    Taylor: I did not.
    Jordan: You’ve never talked with Chief of Staff Mulvaney?
    Taylor: I never did.
    Jordan: You’ve never met the President?
    Taylor: That’s correct.
    Jordan: And you’re their star witness.

    https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status...485732353?s=20
    It all seems very thin, they didn't look that happy on CNN..but they will always have Mueller I guess.
    Well if it seem thin and you openly wonder why many of the witness have second or third hand accounts of the conspiracy, ask yourself why?

    Simple answer

    Trump prevents the implicated people like Giuliani, Mulvaney, Bolton, Kupperman, Pompeo and others from testifying and thereby obstructs the investigation and Congress.

    Obstruction was one of the counts on the Nixon impeachment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Schiff's an arrogant creep isn't he
    There's something about him, that makes my skin crawl
    I feel the same about Jason Kenney but there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Schiff's an arrogant creep isn't he
    There's something about him, that makes my skin crawl
    I feel the same about Jason Kenney but there you go.
    I dont live in the USA, so I have no clue what it is you're trying to say. Schiff's a creep, even his own party members think so. But thanks for the , umm, chat.. sheesh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Schiff's a creep, even his own party members think so.
    Conjecture.



    Which members think he is a creep or are you just projecting or outright lying?

    BTW, you make my skin crawl.
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    Amazing fact

    Since January 20th 2011 to January 20th 2019, Republicans had control of the House and therefore control of the various investigative committees.

    In those 8 years, never once did they investigate Hunter Biden even when it was a well known fact, indepthly reported in the media and there were questions of conflicts of interest with his father, Joe Biden



    May 13, 2014
    Hunter Biden’s new job at a Ukrainian gas company is a problem for U.S. soft power
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/05/14/hunter-bidens-new-job-at-a-ukrainian-gas-company-is-a-problem-for-u-s-soft-power/
    According to a news release posted Tuesday, the vice president's son would join the board of Burisma Holdings. The Yale-educated lawyer would be in charge of the company’s legal unit, the release said.
    May 13, 2014
    Conflict of interest? Hunter Biden, son of Vice President, joins Ukrainian gas company
    https://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/conflict-of-interest-hunter-biden-son-of-vice-president-joins-ukrainian-gas-company-17472/

    May 14, 2014
    Why shouldn't Hunter Biden join the board of a gas company in Ukraine?
    The son of the US vice-president has been chosen to take charge of energy firm Burisma's legal unit – a decision based purely on merit, of course
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/shortcuts/2014/may/14/hunter-biden-job-board-ukraine-biggest-gas-producer-burisma

    June 8, 2014
    Ukrainian energy firm hires Biden son as lawyer
    https://apnews.com/c49555d51eb243e09a42f7577fc5937f
    Hunter Biden’s employment means he will be working as a director and top lawyer for a Ukrainian energy company during the period when his father and others in the Obama administration attempt to influence the policies of Ukraine’s new government, especially on energy issues.


    There’s no indication that Hunter Biden, his father or Burisma are crossing any legal or ethical lines, although ethics experts appear divided over the implications of Hunter Biden’s new job.


    Funny, as soon as Biden runs for the leadership of the Democratic party, Trump and his henchmen get to work to dig up dirt on Biden and stoke their debunked conspiracy theories by any means possible including using extortion against a foreign country.

    Classic political criminality

    So much worse than Watergate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Did Obama or Holder collude with a foreign country to dig up dirt on their political opponents and withhold hundreds of millions of Congressionally approved military aide, NOPE, not once
    And neither did Trump.

    If evidence meant anything to you, you would agree.

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    Looks like this latest Democrat-invented conspiracy theory can be put to rest (unless you still believe that third-hand hearsay is more valuable than evidence):


    Top Ukrainian official: Sondland did not link aid to investigation of Bidens

    https://thehill.com/policy/internati...ly-link-aid-to

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Did Obama or Holder collude with a foreign country to dig up dirt on their political opponents and withhold hundreds of millions of Congressionally approved military aide, NOPE, not once
    And neither did Trump.

    If evidence meant anything to you, you would agree.
    Yes, yes he did, even his hand picked staff say so including Sondland who had telephone calls with Trump regularly.

    Maybe you should watch the hearings.

    Keep ignoring the facts
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    A staffer thinks they believe that might have maybe overheard an important phone call while they were in a restaurant.

    That's not evidence.

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    No they heard him on the cellphone and when asked, Sondland confirmed the call.

    That is firsthand knowledge.
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    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...democrats.html


    Trumper's theory:

    This whodunit seems to involve House Democrats colluding with a deep state whistleblower and his attorney, who had been plotting a “coup” against the president since the weeks following his election, and who was willing to conspire with Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee to sideline the inspector general and hide the whistleblower from public view. Simultaneously, Democrats have been working assiduously with Russia toward the “funding and spreading” of the Steele dossier while “cooperating in Ukrainian election meddling” all while Hunter Biden used his preelection influence to have an impact on foreign policy under Predsident Barack Obama, and as the “politicized bureaucracy” now conspires to deliberately undermine “the president who they are supposed to be serving,” in the form of corrupt ambassadors. It’s elementary, my dear Watson: This, per Nunes, is a sprawling “hoax” engineered by disparate “elements of the FBI, the Department of Justice, and now the State Department” along with the “corrupt media” to work hand and glove to something, something “nude pictures.” The theory of the case is that all of these entities conspired for years, together, to craft a hoax and sham “Star Chamber” in order to subvert the will of the American electorate.
    versus the rational explanation:

    It’s that Donald Trump got an absurd idea in his head about Ukraine working to hurt him in the 2016 election, and another dumb idea in his head about how to smear his likely 2020 electoral opponent, and so he created a back channel consisting of “three amigos” to effectuate a shadow foreign policy that involved withholding appropriated aid to Ukraine until its leader did a CNN interview claiming to be investigating those things. That’s it. There’s no elaborate web of shady malefactors who hate America and engaged in a years-long, multi-agency, deep state takedown of the president. It’s just a bunch of largely incompetent international affairs novices who thought themselves fractionally more adept than they really were, and the host of enablers and bag men who tried to cover it all up after the fact.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    No they heard him on the cellphone and when asked, Sondland confirmed the call.

    That is firsthand knowledge.
    And another.


    AP source: 2nd US official heard Trump call with Sondland


    WASHINGTON (AP) — A second U.S. Embassy staffer in Kyiv overheard a key cellphone call between President Donald Trump and his ambassador to the European Union discussing the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations,” The Associated Press has learned.


    The July 26 call between Trump and Gordon Sondland was first described during testimony Wednesday by William B. Taylor Jr., the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor said one of his staffers overhead the call while Sondland was in a restaurant the day after Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that triggered the House impeachment inquiry.

    https://apnews.com/6d318542e50b45dc9...source=Twitter

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    Peter Welch trumps Jim Jordan


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