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    I agree, something doesn't quite add up. He married Zaynab in 2009, well after 9/11, her political views were very well known by then. She described her 5 years living with the Taliban "the best years of her life".

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Something doesn't add up. It just doesn't..oh well, I just hope he doesn't sue. I dont think JT would be stupid enough to pay him
    I get the civil rights thing bla bla bla, but anyone one that gives "legal council" to a terrorist is like aiding & abetting a criminal is one themselves. If the Lawyer that got his commission from the Khadr case thinks he can do the same here is no different then aiding & abetting terrorists is one him/herself. Its a slippery slope to be sure. Knowing boy blunder he'd pay in this case.
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    The slippery slope is deciding that certain people can be summarily stripped of their legal rights just because we've decided that their type is non-desirable.
    If you can decide that a Terrorist deserves no rights then you can use the same logic to strip rights from other groups.

    Who's undesirable next? We've* done Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Communists, Anarchists, Terrorists, Chinese, Japanese, Black, Natives, Irish, Homosexuals, Hutterites, mennonites, Quakers...

    Maybe it's your turn tomorrow.






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    ^Everybody in a just society is entitled to representation in criminal cases. To say a defense lawyer who takes a rapist/wife beater/murderer etc. is somehow the same as his client is just plain ludicrous. A defence lawyer is needed to make sure his client gets a fair trial and that any punishment meted out is fair. Doctors in emergency rooms don't get to turn down treating patients because of what they have done or who they are. Being 'legal council' to anyone is not aiding and abetting. By your reasoning people who buy lottery tickets are aiding and abetting compulsive gamblers or buying junk food aides other people to become overweight. Get real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    The slippery slope is deciding that certain people can be summarily stripped of their legal rights just because we've decided that their type is non-desirable.
    If you can decide that a Terrorist deserves no rights then you can use the same logic to strip rights from other groups.

    Who's undesirable next? We've* done Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Communists, Anarchists, Terrorists, Chinese, Japanese, Black, Natives, Irish, Homosexuals, Hutterites, mennonites, Quakers...

    Maybe it's your turn tomorrow.






    *We is anglo nations in the time of N American Colonization to today.
    A terrorist is not the same as Jews etc( those you mention) that's a ridiculous
    comparison!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    The slippery slope is deciding that certain people can be summarily stripped of their legal rights just because we've decided that their type is non-desirable.
    If you can decide that a Terrorist deserves no rights then you can use the same logic to strip rights from other groups.

    Who's undesirable next? We've* done Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Communists, Anarchists, Terrorists, Chinese, Japanese, Black, Natives, Irish, Homosexuals, Hutterites, mennonites, Quakers...

    Maybe it's your turn tomorrow.






    *We is anglo nations in the time of N American Colonization to today.
    Maybe I should rephrase this: Known Islamic terrorists.
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    So IRA terrorists get a fair trial but ISIS ones don't? Totally sounds fair to me.

    How do we decide if they're known? How about a fair trial? Anything less than is injustice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    A terrorist is not the same as Jews etc( those you mention) that's a ridiculous
    comparison!
    Ever hear of the Irgun?

    Probably not given the lack of any rational content in your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    The slippery slope is deciding that certain people can be summarily stripped of their legal rights just because we've decided that their type is non-desirable.
    If you can decide that a Terrorist deserves no rights then you can use the same logic to strip rights from other groups.

    Who's undesirable next? We've* done Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Communists, Anarchists, Terrorists, Chinese, Japanese, Black, Natives, Irish, Homosexuals, Hutterites, mennonites, Quakers...

    Maybe it's your turn tomorrow.






    *We is anglo nations in the time of N American Colonization to today.
    Maybe I should rephrase this: Known Islamic terrorists.
    Sounds right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    So IRA terrorists get a fair trial but ISIS ones don't? Totally sounds fair to me.

    How do we decide if they're known? How about a fair trial? Anything less than is injustice.
    Maybe your not aware but G7 intel are all over this. They know more then we think. And if your sympathetic to terrorists groups like ISIS, maybe you're one of them I don't know.

    Islamic terrorist groups are out to do one thing: Install Sharai law world wide at any cost. These groups, including their sympathisers and supports do not deserve any rights, period under our Laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    So IRA terrorists get a fair trial but ISIS ones don't? Totally sounds fair to me.

    How do we decide if they're known? How about a fair trial? Anything less than is injustice.
    Maybe your not aware but G7 intel are all over this. They know more then we think. And if your sympathetic to terrorists groups like ISIS, maybe you're one of them I don't know.

    Islamic terrorist groups are out to do one thing: Install Sharai law world wide at any cost. These groups, including their sympathisers and supports do not deserve any rights, period under our Laws.
    My guess is that it wouldn’t just be Sharia law but their interpretation of it - which can be something altogether different and downright evil depending on the fanaticism of those enforcing their beliefs under the guise of the sword of God / Allah. Correction: though appropriate, “sword” was a typo and should have been “word” of God / Allah. Maybe God maybe me do it.



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    He wasn't exactly hitchhiking in a random area though when you consider his ex-father-in-law was a very active Taliban member and extremely close to Osama bin Laden. This doesn't mean he is a terrorist or supports terrorism.
    Then he refused to fly on a US military flight to USA, as he is worried he might be arrested or interrogated, but will fly a Canadian commercial airline to Canada.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ban-freed.html

    His family just said, it wasn't a very wise decision to go to where they went for their hols, ya think?

    JT refuses to talk about it..lol. I bet he does,
    I hear Kabul and Pyongyang are wonderful at this time of year, but you know for some reason I think I'll pass. Maybe he encountered his ex father in law on his trek through the Afghanistan country side - awkward. I think that might not have gone well for him.
    Possibly not...
    Joshua Boyle: He’s perhaps best known for his link to Khadr family – Ottawa Citizen

    http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...o-khadr-family
    One more thing. One never knows when people caught up in these horrific situations are in actuality working for ‘our’ side (CSIS or allied agencies like CIA, etc.).

    As they say: Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”. It takes all three to come to a correct judgement. Looking at the facts alone can lead to entirely wrong conclusions when not all facts are known or when non-facts influence one’s perceptions of some facts.
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    Wickedness this way comes

    More details will be needed but some people let their religious ideologies justify the taking of human lives and harming other lives.


    Freed hostage Joshua Boyle says captors killed infant daughter, raped his wife - World - CBC News

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    “Boyle didn't provide specific details but said the "stupidity and evil of the Haqqani network's kidnapping of a pilgrim and his heavily pregnant wife engaged in helping ordinary villagers in Taliban-controlled regions of Afghanistan was eclipsed only by the stupidity and evil of authorizing the murder of my infant daughter, martyr Boyle, as retaliation for my repeated refusal to accept an offer that the criminal miscreants of the Haqqani network had made to me."

    He said he wants justice and won't allow the Haqqani network to weaken his family's commitment to "do the right thing, no matter the cost." ...”


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/boyle-c...ndon-1.4353052
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    So IRA terrorists get a fair trial but ISIS ones don't? Totally sounds fair to me.

    How do we decide if they're known? How about a fair trial? Anything less than is injustice.
    Interesting parallel. Can you imagine if Russia flew drone strikes against IRA terrorists and accidently launched missiles at a wedding party?
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    Boyle sure jumped out in front of this story. They weren't Muslims, not even bad Muslims, they were pagans. He demands justice after they killed his daughter and raped his wife. Funny how all the other children lived?
    Then, they only captured them because his wife was pregnant.
    They weren't hiking, they went to a dangerous part where no aid workers dared to go.
    I hope TPTB research all he has said, because I'm not buying it..
    I still waiting for Trudeau to give them cash! I bet Khadrs lawyer has already been in touch!

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    You really believe in what you post?

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    He named his daughter Martyr. Seems odd to me. I think he's some kind of nut. I think we will see something happen in the future to confirm it. Stand by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Boyle sure jumped out in front of this story. They weren't Muslims, not even bad Muslims, they were pagans. He demands justice after they killed his daughter and raped his wife. Funny how all the other children lived?
    Then, they only captured them because his wife was pregnant.
    They weren't hiking, they went to a dangerous part where no aid workers dared to go.
    I hope TPTB research all he has said, because I'm not buying it..
    I still waiting for Trudeau to give them cash! I bet Khadrs lawyer has already been in touch!
    Something about this whole story doesn't add up. Notice he still wore a beard even in the presser. You'd think the first thing he'd have done was too shave.
    But Muslims don't shave.
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    Maybe he spent 5 years watching Duck Dynasty reruns.
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    ^^
    most musilms don’t shave although many of those that don’t shave do trim/crop their beards quite short. regardless of whether they are trimmed or not however, the choice of whether or not to shave is largely a personal one outside of some sects. those sects who do attempt to ban it are emulating the appearance of the prophet mohammed and purported sayings but there is no edict in the koran itself that bans shaving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    ^^
    most musilms don’t shave although many of those that don’t shave do trim/crop their beards quite short. regardless of whether they are trimmed or not however, the choice of whether or not to shave is largely a personal one outside of some sects. those sects who do attempt to ban it are emulating the appearance of the prophet mohammed and purported sayings but there is no edict in the koran itself that bans shaving.
    Sounds to me like growing a beard to emulate Mohammed would essentially be practicing idolatry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Maybe he spent 5 years watching Duck Dynasty reruns.
    Yup, gotta wonder about those dynasty guys and any possible terrorist connections they may have. Did they have guns on that show?

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    They have guns and look like terrorists to me. Maybe they should send them back to where they came from...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    They have guns and look like terrorists to me. Maybe they should send them back to where they came from...
    remind me again what terrorists look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
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    Boyle sure jumped out in front of this story. They weren't Muslims, not even bad Muslims, they were pagans. He demands justice after they killed his daughter and raped his wife. Funny how all the other children lived?
    Then, they only captured them because his wife was pregnant.
    They weren't hiking, they went to a dangerous part where no aid workers dared to go.
    I hope TPTB research all he has said, because I'm not buying it..
    I still waiting for Trudeau to give them cash! I bet Khadrs lawyer has already been in touch!
    Something about this whole story doesn't add up. Notice he still wore a beard even in the presser. You'd think the first thing he'd have done was too shave.
    But Muslims don't shave.
    I don't know about that, but I hope they keep him on the radar, I think he's full of it..going into a war zone to help the poor. Total BS!

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    ^^No silly. Everyone knows that all Muslims have beards and all people with beards are Muslims. Much like these famous Muslim beard growing terrorists.

    Abraham Lincoln
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    They have guns and look like terrorists to me. Maybe they should send them back to where they came from...
    remind me again what terrorists look like?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_...e:Nichols2.jpg
    Well, everyone knows, terrorists look like Duck Dynasty guys. If someone doesn’t, then they aren’t terrorists are they, but rather bombers, mass murderers, demented people, or whatever, but not terrorists. Look at the Vegas shooter. Apparently met the state’s definition of committing an act of terror but he’s not bring called a terrorist.



    Heres an interesting article, I mostly agree with, however I’d simply ask: if you held a similar concert in that same location next week would 20,000 people attend? The effect has not been a judgment by people that this was just a one-off event.

    People will fear that this guy has changed everything in terms of large groupings of people within shooting range of a hotel. Hence even the NRA criticizing bump stocks.

    What makes a mass shooting count as terrorism? - Futurity

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Something about this whole story doesn't add up. Notice he still wore a beard even in the presser. You'd think the first thing he'd have done was too shave.
    But Muslims don't shave.
    He had the beard before though, and they both look a LOT thinner.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/1374898/c...-joshua-boyle/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    They have guns and look like terrorists to me. Maybe they should send them back to where they came from...
    remind me again what terrorists look like?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_...e:Nichols2.jpg
    Well, everyone knows, terrorists look like Duck Dynasty guys. If someone doesn’t, then they aren’t terrorists are they, but rather bombers, mass murderers, demented people, or whatever, but not terrorists. Look at the Vegas shooter. Apparently met the state’s definition of committing an act of terror but he’s not bring called a terrorist
    So now we can tell somebody is a terrorist because how they dress and look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Something about this whole story doesn't add up. Notice he still wore a beard even in the presser. You'd think the first thing he'd have done was too shave.
    But Muslims don't shave.
    He had the beard before though, and they both look a LOT thinner.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/1374898/c...-joshua-boyle/
    Well she was 7 months pregnant. She looks awful right now, its her I feel the most sorry for..

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    ^ Me too. Imagine going through a forced abortion. They seem like a nice couple in this photograph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    So now we can tell somebody is a terrorist because how they dress and look?
    Well according to this person.

    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Something about this whole story doesn't add up. Notice he still wore a beard even in the presser. You'd think the first thing he'd have done was too shave.
    But Muslims don't shave.
    All the beard jokes were sarcastic comments to your prejudiced comments that Muslims don't shave. You infer that this somehow makes him suspect. You even question his religion. You sound like MrOilers

    A far as I heard, Canada is a free country and if Boyle wants to grow his beard, that is his choice.

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    Not that I'm siding with the Taliban or anything but they have a different version:
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    Right...

    And kidnapping terrorists that held a family for 5 years "were concerned for their safety"

    I think their last words were "kill the hostages!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Not that I'm siding with the Taliban or anything but they have a different version:
    As they say: Who are you going to believe? ( The victim or the criminal? )

    Moreover the Taliban guy speaks with a spokesman tongue. When has anyone ever fully believed what a spokesman says - they aren't in the job to tell the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Something about this whole story doesn't add up. Notice he still wore a beard even in the presser. You'd think the first thing he'd have done was too shave.
    But Muslims don't shave.
    He had the beard before though, and they both look a LOT thinner.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/1374898/c...-joshua-boyle/
    Well she was 7 months pregnant. She looks awful right now, its her I feel the most sorry for..
    ‘Feel sorry for her...’

    Yeah and I noted in the interviews it’s the husbands (her’s and her mother’s) doing the speaking and possibly making the decisions. Per one interview; the father said ‘he had an issue with the guy so they aren’t yet making plans to visit them in Canada...’. Her father is spot on about the son-in-law taking of his daughter into risky territory but despite it all to not put everything aside to see the daughter and new grandchildren asap? Sounds to me more like what a supreme a-hole would do. I wonder what the wives are thinking, if they agree or if the husbands are running the show. (As a result, I also wonder about any dynamics involved in calling their dead child: Martyr.)


    As an aside, I remember reading where the extremists in the Middle East and the religious fundamentalists in the US are somewhat aligned due to their conservative beliefs that often go against the west’s human rights advances like gay marriage etc. I thought that was interesting. So seeing the upbringing of people is interesting in terms of their influences and possible drivers of their behaviours. Note some of the comments chosen for, and from, this article:


    Canadian held in Afghanistan: Who is Joshua Boyle? | Globalnews.ca

    Excerpts:

    Boyle had a fascination with terrorism, Canadian counterterrorism and security.

    “Anything related to terrorism on Wikipedia, I wrote, pretty much,” the University of Waterloo graduate told the Globe and Mail in May 2009.
    ...

    Boyle said his parents, both fundamentalist Christians who live in Ottawa, supported his relationship with Khadr.

    “My family is supportive of my marriage and of their extended family, and they believe in the need for justice for all Canadian citizens. We have faith in God and we have faith in justice and we have faith in the Canadian people to do the right thing,” he told Maclean’s. ...

    https://globalnews.ca/news/1374898/c...-joshua-boyle/


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    I'd set that aside to see my daughter, and my grandchildren. Maybe they are giving them some much needs sleep time. I suspect she has been in contact with her family.
    We sure hear a lot from him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    So now we can tell somebody is a terrorist because how they dress and look?
    Well according to this person.

    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Something about this whole story doesn't add up. Notice he still wore a beard even in the presser. You'd think the first thing he'd have done was too shave.
    But Muslims don't shave.
    All the beard jokes were sarcastic comments to your prejudiced comments that Muslims don't shave. You infer that this somehow makes him suspect. You even question his religion. You sound like MrOilers

    A far as I heard, Canada is a free country and if Boyle wants to grow his beard, that is his choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    ^^No silly. Everyone knows that all Muslims have beards and all people with beards are Muslims. Much like these famous Muslim beard growing terrorists.

    Abraham Lincoln
    Karl Marx
    Mr. T
    Earnest Hemingway
    Chuck Darwin
    Santa Claus

    Seeing someone with a face covering naturally raises people’s suspicions. Well earned suspicions. Think Abraham Lincoln - war monger and involved in a successful assassination, Hitler - say no more, Marx, Darwin - disseminators of revolutionary disruptive ideas, Hemingway - more of those idea things, plus directly involved in a suicide. Mr. T - glorifying violence and bling. Santa? Oh, no one wants to touch that one - there’s so many suspicions things about Santa’s activities (kids, elf’s, recluse, night-time visits, industrial-toy manufacturer complex, free giveaways to all socialist,... coal industry supporter...)

    And it’s not just face coverings. Guys wearing hoodies, muscle shirts, chains, leather coats, or bow ties naturally raise public suspicions of radicalism or violent tendencies too.

    Hipsters? Hmm.
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    Hipsters are the scariest. They hate the rest of us. Haters! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Hipsters are the scariest. They hate the rest of us. Haters! lol
    Pure deviants! Can’t dress like normal people, can’t assimilate. It’s a slippery slope to outspokenism and then radical violence.

    Just like anybody born in the 1950s and 60s. They all have that look you know. Greying and wrinkly. Why don’t they look like normal people. Keep your eye on them, as you never know when they’ll direct their hatred at a crowd of normal people just trying to enjoy normal music or something. And have you ever heard a bingo hall manager, cruiseline entertainment director or casino operator come out publicly to denounce the extremism fomenting in their establishments?
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    And then there are those C2E posters

    As in See-Too-Extremist.

    To them it is more than a forum. It is a cult!
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    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/taliban...ions-1.3633018

    I don't see them raping his wife of killing their daughter.Are they [email protected], yes..but Boyle just doesn't come across as being truthful..jmho of course

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    The whole series of events are strange and I will sit back until more facts come out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/taliban...ions-1.3633018

    I don't see them raping his wife of killing their daughter.Are they [email protected], yes..but Boyle just doesn't come across as being truthful..jmho of course
    Notice how he kept on calling them stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/taliban...ions-1.3633018

    I don't see them raping his wife of killing their daughter.Are they [email protected], yes..but Boyle just doesn't come across as being truthful..jmho of course
    Notice how he kept on calling them stupid.
    Yes. Plus as I said upthread, he was smart enough to get ahead of the story, knowing full well, someone would not query his story, as in you believe the Taliban over me? He'll slip up, watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/taliban...ions-1.3633018

    I don't see them raping his wife of killing their daughter.Are they [email protected], yes..but Boyle just doesn't come across as being truthful..jmho of course
    He and his wife apparently didn’t either.

    So do you agree with this:


    Taliban deny rape, murder accusations by freed Canadian hostage Joshua Boyle | Toronto Star

    Excerpt:

    “Mujahid says Boyle and Coleman are now “in the hands of the enemy”, and the statement Boyle gave was “force fed” to him.”


    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...pert-says.html
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    I'm getting more inclined to believe their story, both look like they've been living through hell for the past few years.

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    I haven't heard their story, just his! I'll wait...

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    After seeing the interview with him on The National I believe him more. A lot of tears.

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