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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
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    but if a calgarian and an edmontonian end up the bar at an airport bar in california (i know, i know, it sounds like the lead-in to a really bad joke) with a real estate rep for some other software company, which albertan is better equiped to deliver a successful elevator pitch?
    If that real estate rep is a Trump supporter, he'll listen to the one that makes the most noise. We've seen the power of "the one that makes the most noise."
    How does the age old cliché of "the squeaky wheel gets the grease?" suddenly become the domain of anything Trump? It has nothing to do with it. What's next, we bring up Trump when peacock mating habits are discussed? This board-wide dsire to Trump every thread is nauseating....

    Of course companies, people, and cities try to balance brash, brazen, and bullish when advertising. Name me an actor/actress who thinks a mediocre headshot will get them noticed???

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    I credit Calgary with doing a better job of getting their name out there than Edmonton. Even if they had no chance of winning HQ2, their marketing antics could have other benefits with employees (think tourism; think startups by departing employees), distribution hubs, AI labs and what have you.
    Antics are one thing...they can get you remembered. However, given this RFP, and the easily seen frontrunners, antics probably wouldn't help. A more careful, cautious delivery may attract more attention. This isn't some viral sensation or "challenge".

    Amazon already did a ton of research before even releasing this RFP. They already knew Calgary's (and Edmonton's) position.
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    ^^We know they got their name out there (because we're from Edmonton and get Alberta news). And I doubt someone from Texas is going to be motivated by their offer to change their name/fight a bear.

    Substance > Flair/Gimmick

    Maybe Edmonton is being top secret about it, to get investors curious (like...what can you offer me, if I move my HQ down there)
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    That age-old cliche isn't relevant here. Squeaky wheels need fixing. Attracting new business is all about promises, and loud promises are not shown to be any more effective than promises that aren't loud.
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    all you see are articles written on calgarys bid from all sorts of media right now.. nothing on edmonton.

    I'm not sure how anyone can say edmontons low key bid was beneficial in any way for our city. It's as tho the bid never happened. Meanwhile we'll continue to read about calgary for the next week or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That age-old cliche isn't relevant here. Squeaky wheels need fixing. Attracting new business is all about promises, and loud promises are not shown to be any more effective than promises that aren't loud.
    ...and neither is the squeakiest wheel in need of grease...sometimes it is best to let it seize and remove the wheel...

    That cliché is very relevant here...just as "it is not what you know, it is who you know"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    all you see are articles written on calgarys bid from all sorts of media right now.. nothing on edmonton.

    I'm not sure how anyone can say edmontons low key bid was beneficial in any way for our city. It's as tho the bid never happened. Meanwhile we'll continue to read about calgary for the next week or two.
    Money well spent says Iverson, but Amazon loved the bike lans, really? well Toronto's isn't that great, so how is it they are still in the running..

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    Amazon may have hinted, or said, good job on bike lanes. ...more than likely because to hit the "sustainability" questions in the response matrix, they mentioned it.

    ...but to tout that project as a game changer...nope.

    TO is in the running simply due to:
    • metro size
    • access to trained IT workforce
    • access to logistics and distribution expertise (I've helped configure more than my fair share of companies out in Hogville)
    • Great Lakes shipping +CN/CP hub +Pearson
    • proximity to US border & 2/3 of US population
    • and IMO...just to have a major Canadian/non-US option to keep the contest "international"
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    all you see are articles written on calgarys bid from all sorts of media right now.. nothing on edmonton.

    I'm not sure how anyone can say edmontons low key bid was beneficial in any way for our city. It's as tho the bid never happened. Meanwhile we'll continue to read about calgary for the next week or two.

    ...don't forget that our media outlets have a larger presence in Calgary than here...so that will help explain the bias...

    The more I read this thread...the more I align with kcantor...release the details of our bid (or at least the ones that are not NDA bound) so we can be advocates and speak from the same songsheet.

    to add...I would submit that to NOT bid would be more disastrous than to bid. While admittedly out of reach, to not play in the highest business sweepstakes game around lately would make us look far worse (and far less willing to try/play/work) than a low key bid. In fact, I would further augment that having a low key bid, devoid of gimmicks and hubris, would make us look better in this light. We at least know our place, but if we were asked to the dance, this is what we would do...
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    It will go to somewhere is the US imho

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    I am not quite that petty small minded or juvenile. Toronto “Canada’s biggest city don’t you know “ would be quite insufferable if they happened to win. However I feel they stand a good chance for a number of reasons lower Canadian dollar, immigration laws, cheaper healthcare and a vibrant high tech sector. Being close to a port is not that important as this is a head office not a distribution centre. I for one would be happy if they got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That age-old cliche isn't relevant here. Squeaky wheels need fixing. Attracting new business is all about promises, and loud promises are not shown to be any more effective than promises that aren't loud.
    ...and neither is the squeakiest wheel in need of grease...sometimes it is best to let it seize and remove the wheel...

    That cliché is very relevant here...just as "it is not what you know, it is who you know"...
    My bad, I was looking at it logically, but in these Trump days words don't mean what they used to.

    Rant on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
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    all you see are articles written on calgarys bid from all sorts of media right now.. nothing on edmonton.

    I'm not sure how anyone can say edmontons low key bid was beneficial in any way for our city. It's as tho the bid never happened. Meanwhile we'll continue to read about calgary for the next week or two.

    ...don't forget that our media outlets have a larger presence in Calgary than here...so that will help explain the bias...

    The more I read this thread...the more I align with kcantor...release the details of our bid (or at least the ones that are not NDA bound) so we can be advocates and speak from the same songsheet.

    to add...I would submit that to NOT bid would be more disastrous than to bid. While admittedly out of reach, to not play in the highest business sweepstakes game around lately would make us look far worse (and far less willing to try/play/work) than a low key bid. In fact, I would further augment that having a low key bid, devoid of gimmicks and hubris, would make us look better in this light. We at least know our place, but if we were asked to the dance, this is what we would do...
    While I don't disagree that some media outlets tend to favour Calgary, I think there was more to it in this case. As I recall, Calgary decided to submit a bid fairly quickly while Edmonton took longer, so that might be part of the reason Calgary got more media coverage. Towards the end of the bidding process I recall Edmonton being mentioned as a bidder in a number of media reports.

    While media coverage or lack thereof can be frustrating, I am not sure decision makers really pay as much attention to media coverage as we might think. With all the cutbacks in media, I am sure many people realize the quality and depth is not what it used to be.

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    I'm thinking Austin Texas will get Amazon's new headquarters. Whole Foods has it's headquarters there and Whole Foods is now owned by Amazon. Just a guess though.
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    Austin - Current headquarters for Whole Foods
    Atlanta - UPS Hub, major airline hub with world's busiest airport, one of North America's hottest tech hubs
    Boston - Major higher education hub, supposedly personal favorite amongst some Amazon execs
    New York - major international city, high cost of accomodations, high income taxes
    Chicago - colleges? architecture, too much in the midwest in my opinion
    Toronto - one of North America's top tech hubs, access to many universities, ethnic diversity appealing to foreign immigrants, exchange rate, lower cost for medical benefits, Toronto bid actually encompasses multiple municipalities, access to direct flights for international destinations. Biggest disadvantage is not USA and political cost to Amazon

    According to anallyst on CBC news the other night the financial incentives offered by various bids are not that important because they are a drop in the bucket given Amazon's gross revenue. Another potential advantage for certain US states is where there are no state income taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post

    I credit Calgary with doing a better job of getting their name out there than Edmonton. Even if they had no chance of winning HQ2, their marketing antics could have other benefits with employees (think tourism; think startups by departing employees), distribution hubs, AI labs and what have you.
    Antics are one thing...they can get you remembered. However, given this RFP, and the easily seen frontrunners, antics probably wouldn't help. A more careful, cautious delivery may attract more attention. This isn't some viral sensation or "challenge".

    Amazon already did a ton of research before even releasing this RFP. They already knew Calgary's (and Edmonton's) position.
    Maybe the Amazon decision makers weren't impressed, but their employees and other passersby may be swayed as tourists, immigrants, future business and such.
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    Edmonton needs to be more loud and brash. Our national profile, never mind our international profile is too low.

    True Story: my spouse was interviewing medical residents applying for positions in Edmonton today. A medical school graduate from Saskatoon Saskatchewan, who also attended primary and secondary school there, said during the interview that one of the reasons they wanted a residency in Edmonton was due to the fact that Edmonton was about the same size as Saskatoon. Not area wise, population.

    A one off, maybe, but it still blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1307415
    Call me small minded petty or juvenile but I am loving the tears coming from the south. Edmonton spent about $75,000 where as they spent $500,000.
    Although Amazon did point out their short comings I heard on another broadcast they did not elaborate on Edmonton’s short comings but they were very interested in certain elements of the bid. Stay tuned.
    on the other hand, their 500,000 put a lot more information and awareness in calgarians' heads and hands than ours did. amazon didn't select either canadian city but if a calgarian and an edmontonian end up the bar at an airport bar in california (i know, i know, it sounds like the lead-in to a really bad joke) with a real estate rep for some other software company, which albertan is better equiped to deliver a successful elevator pitch?
    I credit Calgary with doing a better job of getting their name out there than Edmonton. Even if they had no chance of winning HQ2, their marketing antics could have other benefits with employees (think tourism; think startups by departing employees), distribution hubs, AI labs and what have you.
    Blowing your own horn is all very well and good but you had better be able to back it up otherwise you end up embarrassed and hurt when exposed internationally. This could just as easily back fire on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Edmonton needs to be more loud and brash. Our national profile, never mind our international profile is too low.

    True Story: my spouse was interviewing medical residents applying for positions in Edmonton today. A medical school graduate from Saskatoon Saskatchewan, who also attended primary and secondary school there, said during the interview that one of the reasons they wanted a residency in Edmonton was due to the fact that Edmonton was about the same size as Saskatoon. Not area wise, population.

    A one off, maybe, but it still blows my mind.
    By no means a one off. Stayed at a bed and breakfast in Toronto a few years ago the owners were of the opinion that Edmonton Regina and Saskatoon were all about the same. Our profile is pitifully low but I think it has made progress with Brad Ferguson as head of EEDC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by metro View Post
    Edmonton needs to be more loud and brash. Our national profile, never mind our international profile is too low.

    True Story: my spouse was interviewing medical residents applying for positions in Edmonton today. A medical school graduate from Saskatoon Saskatchewan, who also attended primary and secondary school there, said during the interview that one of the reasons they wanted a residency in Edmonton was due to the fact that Edmonton was about the same size as Saskatoon. Not area wise, population.

    A one off, maybe, but it still blows my mind.
    By no means a one off. Stayed at a bed and breakfast in Toronto a few years ago the owners were of the opinion that Edmonton Regina and Saskatoon were all about the same. Our profile is pitifully low but I think it has made progress with Brad Ferguson as head of EEDC.
    Well that also reinforces the stereotype that some who live in the 'centre of the universe" are rather self absorbed and do not know much about the rest of the country. A simple comparison of population figures would indicate one of these is not quite the same as another. It would be kind of like saying Great Falls Montana is the same as Denver - nope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post

    Well that also reinforces the stereotype that some who live in the 'centre of the universe" are rather self absorbed and do not know much about the rest of the country. A simple comparison of population figures would indicate one of these is not quite the same as another. It would be kind of like saying Great Falls Montana is the same as Denver - nope!

    While it may re-enforce the centre of the universe stereotype...one also must ask...have we given them a reason to even bother to look us up?

    To take your example, why would someone from NYC care if Great Falls and Denver were the same size?

    ...but to add to the chorus...even people in the Canadian Military forget Edmonton is the size it is. One conversation had a over the Airshow with an RCAF one star had him wondering why Edmonton thought it was bigger than...Whitecourt...yes...Whitecourt...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Well that also reinforces the stereotype that some who live in the 'centre of the universe" are rather self absorbed and do not know much about the rest of the country. A simple comparison of population figures would indicate one of these is not quite the same as another. It would be kind of like saying Great Falls Montana is the same as Denver - nope!
    It's like the question posed to Americans as to what they think of Canada and the response is "we don't". Which begs another question, how well do we think we really know Toronto? Or similarly any other city. I'm of the opinion that you really don't get a true sense unless you've lived there for some period of time to appreciate the nuances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
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    Well that also reinforces the stereotype that some who live in the 'centre of the universe" are rather self absorbed and do not know much about the rest of the country. A simple comparison of population figures would indicate one of these is not quite the same as another. It would be kind of like saying Great Falls Montana is the same as Denver - nope!

    While it may re-enforce the centre of the universe stereotype...one also must ask...have we given them a reason to even bother to look us up?

    To take your example, why would someone from NYC care if Great Falls and Denver were the same size?

    ...but to add to the chorus...even people in the Canadian Military forget Edmonton is the size it is. One conversation had a over the Airshow with an RCAF one star had him wondering why Edmonton thought it was bigger than...Whitecourt...yes...Whitecourt...
    I suppose one could ask why should anyone bother to look anything up, everyone can just live in ignorance instead. While I am sure we can do more to put out information and a positive image some people are happy to learn as little as possible about anything outside their immediate concern. Perhaps you don't get one star for thinking or having an inquiring mind.

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    Fair enough...but then that remark could be followed with, "have you bothered to look up city/place/region/festival (etc) X?"

    It is a balance between having the desire to look it up, with the ability of those wanting to be looked up to incent that desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Fair enough...but then that remark could be followed with, "have you bothered to look up city/place/region/festival (etc) X?"

    It is a balance between having the desire to look it up, with the ability of those wanting to be looked up to incent that desire.
    Yes, that is true. Ironically, it is easier than ever these days to get information - the other day I was googling the population of Portland Oregon along with several Canadian cities, I think it took 30 seconds to get an accurate figure for Portland. Now, maybe I have strange hobbies and many people don't care about what size cities or other places actually are, that's fine. However, to paraphrase the old saying it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. If you are talking to someone from Edmonton (or wherever) and you are not sure about something regarding the place, ask the person from there rather than giving an uninformed and wrong opinion. The people who need to know how big Edmonton is, can find it out without too much difficulty. Those people just shooting the breeze with someone they encounter from Edmonton may understandably have no idea, in which case we can give them the correct information.

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