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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
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    I don't know what's wrong with Talbot...something is.
    Talbot's not the same guy he was last season.

    But neither is Draisaitl. Nowhere near the level we were expecting when he was so richly rewarded. He should be playing at the level of a MacKinnon, or at least Sean Monohan. I know it's not just about the pay scale, but it's a lot tougher to be disappointed with someone making a fraction of what he's getting, because that's all that was left on the table.

    Or Caggiula. Or Slepyshev. I get the feeling both are on the way out. Or Klefbom. When was the last time anyone thought he was a legitimate threat to score from the point? Or Larsson, who may still be hurt. And, so far, Sekera. I can only think Sekera is still injured. Why else would you sit a guy like that?

    When a player is drummed out of town the way Eberle was, it's no surprise when you don't get the same value back. Strome is an honest, hard working, versatile, hockey player, but a step down from Eberle.

    McDavid's playing great, but he's a one man team right now.
    Draisaitl, EV, is playing with the likes of Strome, Khaira, Cagg, Camm, how much production is he going to obtain with such wingers while facing primo opposition? Its an enormous task. Not even RNH, or McD are being tasked with playing with 2 other wingers, simultaneously, that offer so little. If Drai had any of Maroon, Lucic, or Pulju, he would be producing better. If he still had the likes of Hall he would be a gold mine.
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    ^He is being paid $1.5m more than Monahan or Gaudreau (although he sure doesn't look 1.5m better right now), that indicates he should be able to drive his own line and perform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
    Draisaitl and Klefbom to Ottawa for Karlsson. Make it so.
    I would just throw in my fan card at that point. Lets trade for a player that outed his org right in the middle of the season and completely deep-sixed the progress of the team by revealing he was gone unless the club payed him top value. Which immediately led to the Sens sinking in the standings ever since. I wouldn't want Karlson on that basis alone and would also rather see drasaitl remaining here.
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    ^don't worry, Ottawa is unlikely to make the trade, trading away Karlson would be nuts (but stranger things have happened). I like Draisaitl, but it almost always backfires in the NHL when you give a young guy more than their comparable's. The same basically happened with Nuge - he went on a multi year holiday, now his contract will be up in a few years time, he is performing again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^He is being paid $1.5m more than Monahan or Gaudreau (although he sure doesn't look 1.5m better right now), that indicates he should be able to drive his own line and perform.
    Even Crosby for years had a set guy like Kunitz who is a solid shutdown player. Its somewhat unreasonable to think Drai should be immediately carrying two project wingers on either wing in the first year of his crontract when the 7 year vet Center isn't doing that (he almost always has either Lucic, Pulju, or Maroon) or McD who gets a rotation of the same.

    One could say McD at 12.5M should be able to carry two fill players but I wouldn't ever want that for him, or any talented Center to have to work with two players that are not established wingers simultaneously. Maybe in a year or two McD and Drai could handle tweener wingers. They can't now.
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    Thought this was a pretty good breakdown (please do your best to ignore Steve Simmons in the video, though. Is there a dumber sports "journalist" in Canada?): https://www.tsn.ca/talent/oilers-ham...-wing-1.963104

    It would be very interesting to see a compilation of all of the assets PC has traded out and received back, and total up their games played, goals, points etc. It would be very enlightening to see that done in aggregate, and not on a trade by trade basis. I have a feeling that the totals would be absolutely horrendous for the assets brought in vs sent out. I mean, just take Hall, Eberle and Barzal's numbers and put them up against uh, Larsson, Strome and Reinhart. And that's honestly how those three trades boil down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Thought this was a pretty good breakdown (please do your best to ignore Steve Simmons in the video, though. Is there a dumber sports "journalist" in Canada?): https://www.tsn.ca/talent/oilers-ham...-wing-1.963104

    It would be very interesting to see a compilation of all of the assets PC has traded out and received back, and total up their games played, goals, points etc. It would be very enlightening to see that done in aggregate, and not on a trade by trade basis. I have a feeling that the totals would be absolutely horrendous for the assets brought in vs sent out. I mean, just take Hall, Eberle and Barzal's numbers and put them up against uh, Larsson, Strome and Reinhart. And that's honestly how those three trades boil down.
    How would you compare Hall to Larsson? The two are totally different players. I like Hall, but heck, I think we needed to move on, he had no chemistry without McDaivd, and the team was one dimensional having both top lines play the rush. People seem to forget that one year ago this was a miracle team that unexpectedly made the playoffs. Something has gone wrong this year, but that trade wasn't it. I think the issues are:

    1. Overpaying players in the offseason (which probably ****** off other players) - aka Russel and Draisaitil
    2. Coaching - the PK is horrendous.
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    Interesting review on where the problems lie currently on this team and lineup, i.e. wingers;

    https://www.tsn.ca/talent/oilers-ham...-wing-1.963104
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    Thought this was a pretty good breakdown (please do your best to ignore Steve Simmons in the video, though. Is there a dumber sports "journalist" in Canada?): https://www.tsn.ca/talent/oilers-ham...-wing-1.963104

    It would be very interesting to see a compilation of all of the assets PC has traded out and received back, and total up their games played, goals, points etc. It would be very enlightening to see that done in aggregate, and not on a trade by trade basis. I have a feeling that the totals would be absolutely horrendous for the assets brought in vs sent out. I mean, just take Hall, Eberle and Barzal's numbers and put them up against uh, Larsson, Strome and Reinhart. And that's honestly how those three trades boil down.
    How would you compare Hall to Larsson? The two are totally different players. I like Hall, but heck, I think we needed to move on, he had no chemistry without McDaivd, and the team was one dimensional having both top lines play the rush. People seem to forget that one year ago this was a miracle team that unexpectedly made the playoffs. Something has gone wrong this year, but that trade wasn't it. I think the issues are:

    1. Overpaying players in the offseason (which probably ****** off other players) - aka Russel and Draisaitil
    2. Coaching - the PK is horrendous.
    Has to be considered along with the swing in goal differential after trading Hall. From -42 15-16 season to +35 following season, a 72 goal swing.

    I like Hall, but a guy like Larsson was what the team needed.

    Chiarelli got Talbot, his most important acquisition, for picks that turned out to be Jonas Siegenthaler, Sergey Zborovskly, and Adam Huska. He took advantage of a situation in Montreal to get Kassian for Scrivens.

    Trading Eberle was different - another case of getting rid of someone, rather than looking for some help. With the way the fans and media turned on the guy it was a mercy trade.

    Draisaitl forced his hand with a great year and a better playoffs.
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    Close in Nashville, but no cigar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Close in Nashville, but no cigar.
    It was the correct call, but I hate that rule about the skate being a fraction of an inch off the ice a fraction of a second before the puck enters the zone, discernible only through the aid of multiple angles and extreme slow mo.

    I feel for the Oilers, and for the refs, in that situation.

    The Oilers played pretty well. Especially McDavid. Talbot looked sharp, and kept them in it.

    Didn't sag and get away from their game after flukey second goal.

    They played a tight game. I thought Khaira was outstanding. Very strong. Strome was good too.

    A game they could have won. Could've. should've, would've.

    Either way, overall, I saw a lot of encouraging signs. Playoffs nearly impossible, but if the Oilers pick it up from here we could still see some great entertaining hockey for the rest of the season.
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    Perhaps the one bright spot on the wing is the performance of Puljujarvi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Perhaps the one bright spot on the wing is the performance of Puljujarvi.
    I hope they give him a legitimate shot on the powerplay in the 2nd half. The kid has all the tools to be a game changer, but they haven't fully utilized him yet. I understand why. He is a rookie after all, but once the playoffs are officially out of reach I'd hope TM would use the 2nd half to tinker a bit.

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    Last night was a decent game. Bad luck on the goal off Larsson's face and Khaira's tippy toe offside. If they played that way every night and got some better puck luck (saw a mention that the Oilers have the most posts/crossbars in the league this year), they'd be in the mix for the playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo
    I like Hall, but a guy like Larsson was what the team needed.


    To be clear, I still don't necessarily have a big problem with the Larsson trade, although I was certainly more positive about it last year as compared to this year. His regression this season is concerning, and it's becoming apparent that he is at best a good second pairing option. And when you see what other teams gave up to get guys like Hamonic and Hamilton (in both cases, basically what we gave up for Reinhart, which is just depressing) who are both right shots by the way and arguably better players, the trade looks that much worse for having been 1 for 1. Even if the throw in was a later pick or so-so prospect, it would have looked better in hindsight.

    But again, I was talking about looking at Chiarelli's trades in aggregate. Yes, you can talk till you're blue in the face about goal differential and how good Larsson is defensively or how soft Eberle was in the playoffs, but the fact is that you win hockey games by outscoring the opposition. If your GM is continually sending players out who can score and receiving back players who can't score and/or can't even play in the NHL, you are soon going to find yourself with a problem.

    Sure, PC made a couple good deals for Kassian, Maroon and Talbot and didn't give up much to get them. Talbot aside, those are bit players that get moved in deals like that all the time. The only trade that PC has won that moved the needle was the Talbot deal. Otherwise every major trade he's made as GM has been a net loss for the organization, and we're seeing the results on the ice this year. They've ****** away the ELC years of both McDavid and Draisatl, along with Nurse and soon PoolParty. It will be that much harder to build a consistent contender after this year because of the extensions kicking in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
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    Close in Nashville, but no cigar.
    I hate that rule about the skate being a fraction of an inch off the ice a fraction of a second before the puck enters the zone, discernible only through the aid of multiple angles and extreme slow mo.
    I hate that too. Why is that even a rule?

    It's so dumb that it's offside of your foot is off the ice. It should just be whether or not you cross the line. Either that, or make it so that all goals also have to be scored along the ice and they don't count if they are lifted.

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    The Oilers have scored 4 goals in their last 6 games.

    Also, the refs have a double-standard with the Oilers: the slightest (or non-existent) infraction by the Oil gets called every time. And infractions by the opposition have to be flagrant to be called. Or in some cases not, as Maroon found out last night.

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    Yeah, the non-call on Subban for hooking on McDavid's breakaway was total garbage. NHL officials seem to have a totally different standard when it comes to what it takes to get a stick infraction or holding call on McDavid, and it's completely ridiculous. It's like the NHL sent out a memo to the refs saying "this kid is way too good, and he might get 150 points if we don't slow him down. Take him down a notch, please." I don't know why the NHL has such a hard time establishing consistency in it's officiating, but it's infuriating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Either that, or make it so that all goals also have to be scored along the ice and they don't count if they are lifted.


    Good one MrOil.

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    ^^I can't blame anybody who gives up on the NHL at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Last night was a decent game. Bad luck on the goal off Larsson's face and Khaira's tippy toe offside. If they played that way every night and got some better puck luck (saw a mention that the Oilers have the most posts/crossbars in the league this year), they'd be in the mix for the playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo
    I like Hall, but a guy like Larsson was what the team needed.
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    To be clear, I still don't necessarily have a big problem with the Larsson trade, although I was certainly more positive about it last year as compared to this year. His regression this season is concerning, and it's becoming apparent that he is at best a good second pairing option.
    I think he has been put in a tough spot - when Sekera went down he took on a bigger role. He is probably a bit worn out, or may even be carrying an injury. Klefbom concerns me a bit more.

    ^its messed up. Its becoming clear the best way to win in regular season is have a smaller faster team as often penalties are called (but not always, e.g. if its on CMD), but in playoffs you need a bigger rougher team, because nothing is called then. There needs to be way more consistency both during the regular season and between regular season and playoffs.
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    I enjoyed the game last night, but not the final score.

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    Just like that, Oilers fans are back to celebrating the "moral" victories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter
    I think he has been put in a tough spot - when Sekera went down he took on a bigger role. He is probably a bit worn out, or may even be carrying an injury.
    Well, that's a further condemnation of the trade for Larsson then. PC traded one of the top LW in the game for a RD that apparently needs sheltering and/or the perfect partner to achieve decent results. Meanwhile, 300 km's south, they got 2 better defensemen for the same or similar assets (in each case, not in total) that PC sent out for a D-man who has played 37 NHL games and is unlikely to have a significant NHL career. And it seemed everyone in the NHL, save for PC and Bob Green.

    That's another thing to talk about, in terms of management. Bob Green was previously the Oil Kings GM, and is now director of player personnel for the Oilers. He took that position in January of 2015, before PC came on board and before those bad trades. Given his previous position with the Oil Kings, there's no much question that he would have been heavily involved in the Reinhart trade. He'd have seen him play as much as anybody. That is a huge condemnation on his competence, as well.
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    Flames beat Tampa 5-1.

    On a five game winning streak.

    And have a playoff spot.


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    It's looking like we will have to cheer for the Flames this playoffs in our quest to bring the cup back to Alberta.

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    That is comedy gold!

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    I liked it. Lol

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    I'm cheering for Vegas. Go Golden Knights!
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Giving up on Slepy? What is PC smoking?
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    Okay, I'll play - why would you keep him around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    I'm cheering for Vegas. Go Golden Knights!
    Imagine them winning the cup in their first year in the league. What are the odds. It's crazy success so far. Throw a team together and head for first place in the west. Behind only Tampa Bay. Amazes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    I think he has been put in a tough spot - when Sekera went down he took on a bigger role. He is probably a bit worn out, or may even be carrying an injury.
    Well, that's a further condemnation of the trade for Larsson then. PC traded one of the top LW in the game for a RD that apparently needs sheltering and/or the perfect partner to achieve decent results. Meanwhile, 300 km's south, they got 2 better defensemen for the same or similar assets (in each case, not in total) that PC sent out for a D-man who has played 37 NHL games and is unlikely to have a significant NHL career. And it seemed everyone in the NHL, save for PC and Bob Green.

    That's another thing to talk about, in terms of management. Bob Green was previously the Oil Kings GM, and is now director of player personnel for the Oilers. He took that position in January of 2015, before PC came on board and before those bad trades. Given his previous position with the Oil Kings, there's no much question that he would have been heavily involved in the Reinhart trade. He'd have seen him play as much as anybody. That is a huge condemnation on his competence, as well.
    I'd say more of a swing and a miss than incompetence, though I'd agree they gave up a lot more than I thought they had to. Reinhart was pretty good in junior. Frankly, I don't know what a Director Of Player Personnel really does.

    Both teams improved with the Larsson trade. He's a solid defenceman that hits like a truck, I think he's been hurt off and on this year. the team wasn't getting it done in this division with that defence. A 77 goal swing in differential.

    Chiarelli should have got an experienced backup in the offseason. It was a mistake to think this team could ride out half the season without Sekera and without a solid 1B option in goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Okay, I'll play - why would you keep him around?
    His contract for starters at under a million last i read. Sure he's not as good as he was last year (is anyone) but his size and his ability to cycle the puck well and he's only 23. What's any better?

    Lots of posters in the comments here agree that Oilers should keep Slepy:

    http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...nton-slepyshev
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    Montoya impact is being overstated. He's an average goalie in a new spot and playing well as he always does because its a way to stay in the league a while. Montoya's best games have always been his earlier games with a club. After that nobody will be stating too much positive about his play. he's a stopgap, not a solution as #2. Not for a contending team anyway which we aren't now.

    yesterday was a classic version of one team not showing up and the home team starting with all kinds of jam. Past the first 5 mins the Oilers shored things up and involving a lot more than who was in net. From the look of the game I really thought the Yotes saw a fleeting opportunity to bury the Oilers early. They were being very aggressive in offensive end.
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    If there's any saving grace, it's that the Oilers are 7-2 against the Pacific Division, and that there are 20 more games to play. If the Oilers go 15-5, it means 30 more points for the Oilers in the standings.
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    I'm curious to hear how the Vegas barn compares to ours, as a facility.
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    WTG guys, and Happy Birthday Conner..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I'm curious to hear how the Vegas barn compares to ours, as a facility.
    I've heard that the high end stuff is much the same, but it treats the second tier (non-corporate) fans better, with more washrooms.

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    The inside concourse area of T. Mobile arena is similar to Rogers Place Arena, with its high pillars. Looks good. Can't say much for the gold accents on the outside. Otherwise, nice looking arena. I'd love a weekend in Vegas (like who wouldn't?) and able to attend an Oilers game there.
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    I went to the game in Vegas, but we were up in the Hyde club, so I didn't see much of the rest of the arena. The in-game experience absolutely blows Rogers away; it's not even close, in terms of music, things going on in the seats, contests etc. It's on a whole other level. From what I recall (which admittedly has some gaps), the concourse decor looked far more finished than Rogers, which in my opinion still looks barren in a lot of places. Honestly, T-Mobile seemed to be a significant step up from Rogers in most respects. But that being said, I find that's the case for just about the entire food/liquor/service/entertainment industry in Edmonton, whether OEG is involved or not. We just don't do a very good job of that kind of thing, for whatever reason, although perhaps it's been improving over the past few years.

    I was chatting with some friends who had various involvement with the building of Rogers, and there were some pretty eye opening anecdotes of how last minute many aspects of it were. I'm not even sure I'm comfortable relating some of them because they're rumors, but some dealt with actual life safety issues (fire/smoke alarm systems, etc), occupancy permits, and the like. It seems local authorities may well have bent rules to the point of breaking in some respects. None of it was particularly surprising, given how ridiculous the construction schedule was.
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