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    ^ Because we had momentum when it was tied at 4, until Kris Russell's "faux pas." 1 minute and change in the 3rd.


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    I can explain it.

    1st period: This game is not ours
    3rd period: This game is ours
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    Oilers simply cannot afford to lose any more games if they intend to make the playoffs - it’s all about wins and points now bottom line. Their inability to focus and lack of attention to detail in their play is killing them. Russell was the goat last night but this whole team is responsible and seems to find new ways to lose rather then win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    I can explain it.

    1st period: This game is not ours
    3rd period: This game is ours
    Calgary Saturday night, should be a good one. "Battle of Alberta," its becoming a cliché.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    ^ Because we had momentum when it was tied at 4, until Kris Russell's "faux pas." 1 minute and change in the 3rd.


    You guys must be watching a different team. With the team I watch any lead is unsafe, any tie game is dire, and the Oilers never had this game. Even had it gone into OT I didn't like our chances and especially if it went to shootout. Would have been helpful to get the point though.

    The Oilers were making 5 bell tirefire mistakes all game. Teams don't win a lot of games that way. You can't outscore all your mistakes. The Leafs actually played a poor game and we managed to be worse.

    Momentum doesn't exist for the Oilers this season. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitlope View Post
    I can explain it.

    1st period: This game is not ours
    3rd period: This game is ours
    Calgary Saturday night, should be a good one. "Battle of Alberta," its becoming a cliché.
    No Larsson, No Talbot, no confidence.

    I'll set it to pvr and decide if I want more punishment.

    Win this game and it means nothing but continuation of life support. Lose it and it confirms season over.
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    Did anyone have reception problems watching on SportsNet Shaw channel 23? My buddy had his DVR go nuts and I had to skip the whole 2nd period because of some kind of digital hiccups. The NFL game I was watching on another channel had the same problem with 3 mins to go in the first half.
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    Yeah, our entire cable went out for an hour or so last night. (Shaw.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Did anyone have reception problems watching on SportsNet Shaw channel 23? My buddy had his DVR go nuts and I had to skip the whole 2nd period because of some kind of digital hiccups. The NFL game I was watching on another channel had the same problem with 3 mins to go in the first half.
    Yes I had the same problem

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    Yeah, it was a problem everywhere Spuds.

    Top_Dawg was watching the game at Rosie's Bar & Grill and the signal froze about half way through the first period.

    He scooted over to Time Out Pub and the signal was still frozen

    At least at Time Out they still had the audio so you could listen to it.

    The video problem did eventually get fixed about five minutes into the second period.

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    Shaw had this in several places nationwide. When this happens you can go to www.canadianoutages.com and navigate to Shaw or just input Shaw TV Problems on your Search Engine of choice.

    Shaw also posts on their Twitter and Facebook accounts apparently.

    It is very common....

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    I've never had Shaw go so bad as to lock up the playback portion of my DVR. Oh well, I saw the parts that mattered, another, to paraphrase an old Ike & Tina Turner tune: "Nut Punch City Limits."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Did anyone have reception problems watching on SportsNet Shaw channel 23? My buddy had his DVR go nuts and I had to skip the whole 2nd period because of some kind of digital hiccups. The NFL game I was watching on another channel had the same problem with 3 mins to go in the first half.
    My internet connection had been spotty yesterday but I had no television reception issues. For the most part Telus held up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I've never had Shaw go so bad as to lock up the playback portion of my DVR. Oh well, I saw the parts that mattered, another, to paraphrase an old Ike & Tina Turner tune: "Nut Punch City Limits."
    FWIW there were streaming problems in the previous game as well but only for instances of less than 10 secs but they were recurring. Last night was the worst. About an hour of outage. At the time all my other channels on Shaw were working but others reported outages throughout. Interestingly 2hrs later Shaw streams on half our channels were cutting out.

    Ironically stuff like this just reinforces people watching NHLStreams unauthorized and getting better quality streams than what SNW seemingly provides. Those streams were working flawlessly and they even break during commercials. You can even get streams to eliminate Quinn and Remenda. Win win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post
    Yeah, it was a problem everywhere Spuds.

    Top_Dawg was watching the game at Rosie's Bar & Grill and the signal froze about half way through the first period.

    He scooted over to Time Out Pub and the signal was still frozen

    At least at Time Out they still had the audio so you could listen to it.

    The video problem did eventually get fixed about five minutes into the second period.
    First thing I thought of is the Bars must be ****** that this happened. Biggest ratings game of the season in this market (and others) and this occurs..

    One thing I note with Shaw is its the most watched channels that go out first. could be something to do with how many viewers streaming? For instance later all the local news at 11 the streams were toast. But less watched crap was working.

    Shaw has been bad as well with SuperChannel and moviechannel. Any new release popular flic and lots of times the first few showings are bad streams. Would appear to be a traffic related streaming problem.

    I just ended up cancelling the movie channels. Too many times found it impossible to watch a recorded flic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    I can explain it.

    1st period: This game is not ours
    3rd period: This game is ours
    Calgary Saturday night, should be a good one. "Battle of Alberta," its becoming a cliché.
    No Larsson, No Talbot, no confidence.

    I'll set it to pvr and decide if I want more punishment.

    Win this game and it means nothing but continuation of life support. Lose it and it confirms season over.
    With 1:05 on the clock in a 4-4 tied game, if Russell hadn't scored on his own net (where have we seen this happen before?) that game was going to go into OT. The Oilers do well in OT 3 on 3. That game was ours for the taking but as usual the Oilers found a way to lose, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
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    I can explain it.

    1st period: This game is not ours
    3rd period: This game is ours
    Calgary Saturday night, should be a good one. "Battle of Alberta," its becoming a cliché.
    No Larsson, No Talbot, no confidence.

    I'll set it to pvr and decide if I want more punishment.

    Win this game and it means nothing but continuation of life support. Lose it and it confirms season over.
    With 1:05 on the clock in a 4-4 tied game, if Russell hadn't scored on his own net (where have we seen this happen before?) that game was going to go into OT. The Oilers do well in OT 3 on 3. That game was ours for the taking but as usual the Oilers found a way to lose, again.

    Larson is being evaluated today.
    You're forgetting the Oilers had Brossoit in net and no Larsson to play 3 on 3. Last night for the Oilers was going to be an absolute adventure for the Oilers and almost certainly would have got scored on. The Oilers best hope would be score right off the first rush. Beyond that enters the twilight zone.

    The Oilers, without Larsson, Sekera, Talbot are a GA tirefire. Especially when they were playing a braindead game like last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
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    Did anyone have reception problems watching on SportsNet Shaw channel 23? My buddy had his DVR go nuts and I had to skip the whole 2nd period because of some kind of digital hiccups. The NFL game I was watching on another channel had the same problem with 3 mins to go in the first half.
    My internet connection had been spotty yesterday but I had no television reception issues. For the most part Telus held up.
    It was a Shaw national thing: https://community.shaw.ca/docs/DOC-14236
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    Ahh, that explains it. Pixilation issues are common place with Telus.
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    It seems to have been only on cable since on Shaw Free Range TV App on my IPhone I was able to watch the game stream (albeit on the tiny top part of the screen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
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    Heartbreaker, that game was ours.
    Thought so too. Bad break/oops at the wrong/worst time.

    Once Brossoit calmed down he was good to great. But early, ... With Talbot the Oilers win that one.

    And without some of the defensive ???'s. Lapse doesn't quite cover it. When Brossoit made the save that got his confidence back.

    I think the Oilers have to look for another goalie, right now. Chiarelli can't sit this one out. Watching the Detroit feed for their game against the Habs, and Mickey Redmond said (paraphrasing) "If they get another high lottery pick, this year, there should be an investigation, because it's criminal, this year, with those players." Always colourful, and definitely a homer, but I can understand how they feel about that in Detroit.

    Did you see the look on the backup guy's face? Too much pressure for a young kid.

    Maybe Niemi out of Montreal. They have Price back, Lindgren playing pretty well, Montoya in the minors, and Zach Fucale if they need him.

    I doubt they'd expect much if anything in return.

    I've heard rumours surrounding Tuuka Rask. He's a great goalie. Not playing great right now. Don't know that much about the situation, but appears someone else is the starter. Big contract. Don't know how that could possibly work out. Maybe Boston want Lucic back? Can't see it.

    The Oilers need to get through this Talbot-less period. Then they need to go on a run. One great week could change everything.

    I think the Oilers are a better team than the record shows. They could have won this one. I don't think failing to manage expectations was part of the problem, as coach Todd alludes. It just makes it hurt more when so many predicted the team Stanley Cup favourites.

    It should hurt. Frankly, I think managing expectations is part of the problem. Every team should feel like they could win the Cup.

    As much as people talk about their playoff success last year, I think their regular season was just as big. They know how to do it. They've done it. It wasn't easy. Hard work.

    Did I mention they need goaltending?

    Maybe you're right, and part of it is that teams aren't caught by surprise anymore, but my feeling is that this team hasn't been working as well as a team.

    The only thing they can control is winning. They need to string a few together, maybe with a loss here and there, and reel all the teams in one by one, like Ottawa did a couple seasons ago. I think they can do it. But they need a goalie now, hopefully better than a backup to Brossoit.
    Would be great to be able to get Rask. We need somebody that is good. You are only as good as your goaltender after all, no matter who you have on your team. The Oilers relied on Talbot far too much and I think it's showing. I was surprised the oilers didn't sign mike smith. They got a favor from Sather to get Talbot. I'm hoping PC can get another favor from his connections back east , Rask for a bag of pucks would be great.
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    I'm astonished that Woodcroft has a job given our pathetic PP.

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    Will Walker make a difference Saturday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Will Walker make a difference Saturday?
    In Bakersfield?

    If you mean the Oilers he's a nothing player. No Oiler fan even knew who he was before today. The sports beat journalists in this city were even saying "who".
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    ^ He was supposed to practice today but apparently he will be in the game tomorrow.


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    Blowing a 6-1 lead like that, all in the 3rd period. The Oilers were lucky to get the win there.
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    Leads like that are almost always hard to hold, especially for a team as good as the Flames. Oilers have had their number for awhile now.
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    Thanks for the goal TJ Brodie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    Will Walker make a difference Saturday?
    In Bakersfield?

    If you mean the Oilers he's a nothing player. No Oiler fan even knew who he was before today. The sports beat journalists in this city were even saying "who".
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    Questionable goal tending tonight. Who will start the next game?
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    You are being generous saying the goaltending was questionable.

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    Brossoit gave up two bad goals from the side.
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    What a barn burner of a game. The first line played good. I was hoping for a hat trick for Jessie P. Bring on The Flyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    What a barn burner of a game. The first line played good. I was hoping for a hat trick for Jessie P. Bring on The Flyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Will Walker make a difference Saturday?
    He is an interesting signing, in that, the Oilers have a clear role for him in mind - they want him as a penalty kill specialist. He is small, but he has speed, great possession numbers, and plays a gritty game. Time will tell, a low risk signing with lots of potential upside, but not much downside if he doesn't pan out.

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    That was a fun game to watch and more similar to the BOA from the late 80s. Still have serious concerns over LB.
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    As bad as LB was the Oilers scored at least 4 weak goals. The team is suffering from a lack of urgency shown by PC this summer. Did not acquire a capable dman for Sekera, did not get an adequate replacement for Eberle and went with a very inexperienced back up goalie. If we make trades now we will be trading from a position of weakness, not good. Tough it out with LB and at least we will know what we don't or do have. The time to build the team is in the summer, something PC refused to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
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    Will Walker make a difference Saturday?
    In Bakersfield?

    If you mean the Oilers he's a nothing player. No Oiler fan even knew who he was before today. The sports beat journalists in this city were even saying "who".
    You can’t send him to the minors if he is picked up on waivers.
    It was a flippant comment. As in I can see no place for this player here. Would not surprise me if the Oilers don't just put him on waivers as well in a month or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    Will Walker make a difference Saturday?
    He is an interesting signing, in that, the Oilers have a clear role for him in mind - they want him as a penalty kill specialist. He is small, but he has speed, great possession numbers, and plays a gritty game. Time will tell, a low risk signing with lots of potential upside, but not much downside if he doesn't pan out.
    Apparently Walker was supposed to play last night. Having 3 days between games at least will get him ready for Philly. Thanks for the insight on this player.
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    Oilers pick up Davidson.

    Hope he can recapture where he was before injury.

    Injuries hurt him in Montreal too, where he couldn't catch a break, and never really found his groove. Habs got Schlemko back, and rookies Mete and Jerabik both playing well, so he was odd man out. Good player when he's healthy and on his game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    As bad as LB was the Oilers scored at least 4 weak goals. The team is suffering from a lack of urgency shown by PC this summer. Did not acquire a capable dman for Sekera, did not get an adequate replacement for Eberle and went with a very inexperienced back up goalie. If we make trades now we will be trading from a position of weakness, not good. Tough it out with LB and at least we will know what we don't or do have. The time to build the team is in the summer, something PC refused to do.
    I think the Oilers need to move now and get a goalie, if for no other reason than to show the sense of urgency you referred to. Are they trying to win, or not?

    Just a reliable vet, not a Holtby. Shouldn't take much, if anything, to get Niemi out of Montreal. He looked good in the game I saw.

    LB isn't good enough. If Chia sits this one out, to quote Mickey Redmond, "there should be an investigation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
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    As bad as LB was the Oilers scored at least 4 weak goals. The team is suffering from a lack of urgency shown by PC this summer. Did not acquire a capable dman for Sekera, did not get an adequate replacement for Eberle and went with a very inexperienced back up goalie. If we make trades now we will be trading from a position of weakness, not good. Tough it out with LB and at least we will know what we don't or do have. The time to build the team is in the summer, something PC refused to do.
    I think the Oilers need to move now and get a goalie, if for no other reason than to show the sense of urgency you referred to. Are they trying to win, or not?

    Just a reliable vet, not a Holtby. Shouldn't take much, if anything, to get Niemi out of Montreal. He looked good in the game I saw.

    LB isn't good enough. If Chia sits this one out, to quote Mickey Redmond, "there should be an investigation."

    Sometimes sitting pat shows faith in the players you have, but sitting pat in this situation means you're not trying your hardest to win, at the highest level.
    I think there needs to be a balance in showing faith in who you have and trying to bring in better players. PC made his bets in the summer and so far not working out.

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    Sorry, but no thanks on Niemi. He's way past his prime. Why give up an asset when he is arguably no better than LB anyway.

    In the two games that LB has started, he hasn't cost his team any points. (Toronto, didn't have a chance on like 3 of the goals, and got no support in the 1st period, Calgary game, yes, did lose his focus in the 3rd there, but regained it after the time out). The games haven't been pretty, but the only way he's gonna get better is if he is playing games, and right now he has the opportunity to work through it. I'm willing to give him a longer leash before piling on him.

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    Replacement: So how about those Jet's? Remember you bashing them hard last year... not much has changed within the team other than better goaltending. Now first overall in the league.

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    Just shows you how important goaltending is. Oilers could take a hint.

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    I missed watching the game. Did Todd call a time out during that 3rd period barrage? He should have done so at the 6-4 goal.
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    Johnson, Hutchinson, Neuvirth, Pickard, Mrazek are the names being bandied about as potentials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I missed watching the game. Did Todd call a time out during that 3rd period barrage? He should have done so at the 6-4 goal.
    Yes I think TM did call a Time out but it wasn't anything substantial.

    I thought Sekera would be game ready by the last game, lets hope he comes back before the end of the year.
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    Where's Ben Scrivens when you need him? Oh ya. he's now a Ufa mism.

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    I thought Sekera would be game ready by the last game, lets hope he comes back before the end of the year.
    The Journal said he should be back within a month... hopefully. Has he been practicing with the team?
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    They seem to be playing with more confidence and a more complete game. It helps having a developing Laine as well. But its early. I could still see some falling back. Remains to be seen what they would look like in the playoffs.
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    I cannot understand for the life of me why she is still employed in sports broadcasting. She is horrendous. Just objectively bad at her job in every respect. And it's got nothing to do with her gender. Sportsnet and TSN each have half a dozen female sportscasters who are far more deserving of a prime gig like that Campbell has, if the CBC needs to check a diversity box somewhere. Campbell is just brutal at her job.

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    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/oil...005203706.html. I hadn't heard about this until this afternoon. Wow.

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    ^ This was on CTV news last night.
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    - Start Ellis in goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    I cannot understand for the life of me why she is still employed in sports broadcasting. She is horrendous. Just objectively bad at her job in every respect. And it's got nothing to do with her gender. Sportsnet and TSN each have half a dozen female sportscasters who are far more deserving of a prime gig like that Campbell has, if the CBC needs to check a diversity box somewhere. Campbell is just brutal at her job.
    CBC has no control on the production of HNIC. It's Sportsnet who calls the shots.

    Regardless, I agree that Cassie Campbell-Pascall is in over her head for doing colour for NHL games. She is better suited for pre-game and intermission cliche player interviews.

    Plus she should not be doing Flames games because her husband, Brad Pascall, is an assistant GM for the Calgary Flames.

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    The turnovers, penalties, that and 2 back-to-back games on the weekend. This team is just awful, very hard to watch. I agree start Ellis in goal.
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    ^Its a shame, the season is slipping away (if it hasn't already). I thought the team was doing some things right, I liked the physicality last night. NHL is in a weird place right now, during the regular season, the referees call everything. So it favors smaller teams like the Flames (although they are having problems right now, with their lauded D not proving so amazing). But then you reach playoffs and a small team gets physically wiped out because the referees stop calling anything. Its a difficult balance to have enough speed to get through the regular season, but enough size to have any hope in the playoffs.

    I'm really annoyed the Draisaitl contract - I don't know what Chia was thinking going way above the comparable players (reading Replacements posts maybe?). I like him a lot, but heck, you can see now Gaudreau with 36 points, and Monahan with 28 (15 goals). Draisaitl has four less games, with 20 (8 goals), its not enough - that's simply not worth $1.5m more. It happens so often, you give a young guy a huge pay day after one great season, and then the effort is not sustained - its human nature. We have basically sacrificed being able to get a 4.5m dollar complimentary scoring player, say for RW, but instead having to settle for a 3m dollar journeyman player. We keep repeating the same mistake's of overpaying players instead of keeping them hungry with shorter contracts, and there simply isn't the cap room to sustain that with the Connor contract. The Russel contract looks awful now as well (again, I like the player, but the contract is way too much for what he brings).

    On the positive side, JP is coming along nicely (has taken some settling down, but he could turn into quite the beast yet), and Nuge has turned it around. Oh well...
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    I am just about fed up with the incompetence of the management of this franchise and although Rogers Place is great (and one of very few 'projects' that City money has gone to from with which I actually got some use and enjoyment from my tax dollars - don't get me started on bicycle lanes...)after 21 years of Season Tickets this may be the last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^Its a shame, the season is slipping away (if it hasn't already). I thought the team was doing some things right, I liked the physicality last night. NHL is in a weird place right now, during the regular season, the referees call everything. So it favors smaller teams like the Flames (although they are having problems right now, with their lauded D not proving so amazing). But then you reach playoffs and a small team gets physically wiped out because the referees stop calling anything. Its a difficult balance to have enough speed to get through the regular season, but enough size to have any hope in the playoffs.

    I'm really annoyed the Draisaitl contract - I don't know what Chia was thinking going way above the comparable players (reading Replacements posts maybe?). I like him a lot, but heck, you can see now Gaudreau with 36 points, and Monahan with 28 (15 goals). Draisaitl has four less games, with 20 (8 goals), its not enough - that's simply not worth $1.5m more. It happens so often, you give a young guy a huge pay day after one great season, and then the effort is not sustained - its human nature. We have basically sacrificed being able to get a 4.5m dollar complimentary scoring player, say for RW, but instead having to settle for a 3m dollar journeyman player. We keep repeating the same mistake's of overpaying players instead of keeping them hungry with shorter contracts, and there simply isn't the cap room to sustain that with the Connor contract. The Russel contract looks awful now as well (again, I like the player, but the contract is way too much for what he brings).

    On the positive side, JP is coming along nicely (has taken some settling down, but he could turn into quite the beast yet), and Nuge has turned it around. Oh well...
    you liked the physicality? you couldn't have been watching the same game i was...

    not only didn't they win any battles, there weren't any battles. they allowed the flyers to keep them to the perimeter all night long, they couldn't carry the puck in past the blue line and they couldn't get to it if they dumped it in. and every pass they made all night was to someone standing still (literally standing still in one spot). how the *&^% do you expect do you move the puck out when you're not moving?

    the only bright spot of the evening was drai's shorthanded goal. you would have thought that might wake them up but it was almost as if they took as "hey, we don't have to wake up after all".

    mcdavid looked wan and tired but the team needs to more than mcdavid.

    you couldn't even forget the game and talk to someone because the artificial sound is so *&^% loud and even the hot dogs were cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    you couldn't even forget the game and talk to someone because the artificial sound is so *&^% loud and even the hot dogs were cold.
    Everything is sweeter when you're winning. What a downer of a season, makes the last one seem like a distant mirage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^Its a shame, the season is slipping away (if it hasn't already). I thought the team was doing some things right, I liked the physicality last night. NHL is in a weird place right now, during the regular season, the referees call everything. So it favors smaller teams like the Flames (although they are having problems right now, with their lauded D not proving so amazing). But then you reach playoffs and a small team gets physically wiped out because the referees stop calling anything. Its a difficult balance to have enough speed to get through the regular season, but enough size to have any hope in the playoffs.

    I'm really annoyed the Draisaitl contract - I don't know what Chia was thinking going way above the comparable players (reading Replacements posts maybe?). I like him a lot, but heck, you can see now Gaudreau with 36 points, and Monahan with 28 (15 goals). Draisaitl has four less games, with 20 (8 goals), its not enough - that's simply not worth $1.5m more. It happens so often, you give a young guy a huge pay day after one great season, and then the effort is not sustained - its human nature. We have basically sacrificed being able to get a 4.5m dollar complimentary scoring player, say for RW, but instead having to settle for a 3m dollar journeyman player. We keep repeating the same mistake's of overpaying players instead of keeping them hungry with shorter contracts, and there simply isn't the cap room to sustain that with the Connor contract. The Russel contract looks awful now as well (again, I like the player, but the contract is way too much for what he brings).

    On the positive side, JP is coming along nicely (has taken some settling down, but he could turn into quite the beast yet), and Nuge has turned it around. Oh well...
    I think in hindsight, TM overplayed the 4th line too much but yes the Draisaitl contract causes me concern as well.

    8 minutes in the penalty box, yeesh.

    Klefbom was just plain bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwoodguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    you couldn't even forget the game and talk to someone because the artificial sound is so *&^% loud and even the hot dogs were cold.
    Everything is sweeter when you're winning. What a downer of a season, makes the last one seem like a distant mirage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^Its a shame, the season is slipping away (if it hasn't already). I thought the team was doing some things right, I liked the physicality last night. NHL is in a weird place right now, during the regular season, the referees call everything. So it favors smaller teams like the Flames (although they are having problems right now, with their lauded D not proving so amazing). But then you reach playoffs and a small team gets physically wiped out because the referees stop calling anything. Its a difficult balance to have enough speed to get through the regular season, but enough size to have any hope in the playoffs.

    I'm really annoyed the Draisaitl contract - I don't know what Chia was thinking going way above the comparable players (reading Replacements posts maybe?). I like him a lot, but heck, you can see now Gaudreau with 36 points, and Monahan with 28 (15 goals). Draisaitl has four less games, with 20 (8 goals), its not enough - that's simply not worth $1.5m more. It happens so often, you give a young guy a huge pay day after one great season, and then the effort is not sustained - its human nature. We have basically sacrificed being able to get a 4.5m dollar complimentary scoring player, say for RW, but instead having to settle for a 3m dollar journeyman player. We keep repeating the same mistake's of overpaying players instead of keeping them hungry with shorter contracts, and there simply isn't the cap room to sustain that with the Connor contract. The Russel contract looks awful now as well (again, I like the player, but the contract is way too much for what he brings).

    On the positive side, JP is coming along nicely (has taken some settling down, but he could turn into quite the beast yet), and Nuge has turned it around. Oh well...
    you liked the physicality? you couldn't have been watching the same game i was...

    not only didn't they win any battles, there weren't any battles. they allowed the flyers to keep them to the perimeter all night long, they couldn't carry the puck in past the blue line and they couldn't get to it if they dumped it in. and every pass they made all night was to someone standing still (literally standing still in one spot). how the *&^% do you expect do you move the puck out when you're not moving?

    the only bright spot of the evening was drai's shorthanded goal. you would have thought that might wake them up but it was almost as if they took as "hey, we don't have to wake up after all".

    mcdavid looked wan and tired but the team needs to more than mcdavid.

    you couldn't even forget the game and talk to someone because the artificial sound is so *&^% loud and even the hot dogs were cold.
    I've regularly questioned whether Moa even watches the games. That said his observance of hockey is about as whacked as his take on most things.

    To me it looked like a very non physical affair. Even the broadcast stated it lacked the intensity of even previous Flyer-Oilers matchups.

    The Flyers are basically destroyed by the Schenn deal. Here we have a very good player traded for someone being healthy scratched and out of the lineup. That trade was a collective punch to the teams gut. Trouble is your GM makes deals like that and players figure its a tank year and why compete too hard. That's where the Flyers are at and the Oilers with very weak depth in their lineup managed to be worse. It was a pathetic game. I wonder if anybody at the game fell asleep. 27 faceoffs in the first period.
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    Cap going up by 3-5M next year, which would be (unfortunately) helpful for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Cap going up by 3-5M next year, which would be (unfortunately) helpful for us.
    Chia is ready to dump RNH at a moments notice as a pre-emptive measure against the cap moving up to $80+M

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    Good thing Chia offloaded Eberle for Strome.

    I can live with trading Eberle, but not for the return we got, what a terrible trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinW View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    Cap going up by 3-5M next year, which would be (unfortunately) helpful for us.
    Chia is ready to dump RNH at a moments notice as a pre-emptive measure against the cap moving up to $80+M
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Good thing Chia offloaded Eberle for Strome.

    I can live with trading Eberle, but not for the return we got, what a terrible trade.
    It was a salary dump imo more then anything. Oilers get Strome for a salary dump, yeesh.
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    Good thing Chia offloaded Eberle for Strome.

    I can live with trading Eberle, but not for the return we got, what a terrible trade.
    Strome at this point isn't even worth of being in an NHL lineup. In the good days I can even try to appreciate the small things Strome brings. On the bad games I wonder why he is on the ice at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Good thing Chia offloaded Eberle for Strome.

    I can live with trading Eberle, but not for the return we got, what a terrible trade.
    And don't forget that every penny he saved on Eberle/Strome, he immediately turned around and give that and more (dollars AND term!) to Russell. Who by the coach's usage, is already the 5th defenseman on the team prior to it's best or second best D coming back from injury, who happens to play the same side. It's incredibly poor cap and asset management.

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    Interesting article, basically, the team is exactly the same at even strength as last year (its not too slow, not too big, the scoring is the same without Eberle), but its just horrible at special teams.

    https://oilersnation.com/2017/12/08/...rs-are-losing/

    Not totally in the article, but all the rumors are flying about dressing room strife between Klefbom, Nurse and Draisaitil. I guess we will see in time if there is fire with the smoke (if some of these guys get moved).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    As bad as LB was the Oilers scored at least 4 weak goals. The team is suffering from a lack of urgency shown by PC this summer. Did not acquire a capable dman for Sekera, did not get an adequate replacement for Eberle and went with a very inexperienced back up goalie. If we make trades now we will be trading from a position of weakness, not good. Tough it out with LB and at least we will know what we don't or do have. The time to build the team is in the summer, something PC refused to do.
    No kidding, regarding the lack of urgency during the summer. I think PC is a very good GM, but I think it was a miscalculation based on high expectations for this team.

    Agree with everything you're saying, except the waiting it out part. We know what we don't have - an NHL level goalie. I like Brossoit, but he's just not ready now.

    You know the saying: Goaltending is 50% of the game, until you don't have it, then it's 100% of the game.

    Maybe the time off helps Talbot find the game he had last year. But this team can't afford to glide, or fall further behind, right now.

    They spent a lot of offseason time signing McDavid and Draisaitl, and maybe not enough on the rest of the team. I don't think they saw the Sekera injury as having the impact it has, with Klefbom struggling at times, and others too.

    I think they had more than $7M in cap space. I saw it as a sign they were keeping RNH (making sure they had the space next year when McD contract kicks in). The salary cap is expected to go up $3M next year, so that might help keep Nurse and Maroon for the core.

    I figured they'd try to pick up a couple rentals/salary dumps at the trade deadline for the playoff run. There are a lot of teams looking for rentals at trade deadline, and not many players I can think of. This team may not even be in the playoff picture at trade deadline.

    I think they need to show urgency, now, or they can't really expect the players to show urgency, now. They need to show it all the time. Players and fans need to know that winning matters. Even if they picked up a guy like Niemi, and continued to go with Brossoit as starter, it would show they were taking things seriously.

    They should have had someone by Wednesday.

    People are starting to question whether the organization is trying to win this year. It's a valid question. I wonder if the players are asking it too?

    A good couple of weeks and they're right in it. A bad couple of weeks, because your workhorse starter is out, could sink the team.

    It's not just the points back, it's the number of teams to jump, and the fact that games tend to get tighter and closer as the season wears on, and there are more 3 point games. The good thing is that so many games are against division rivals, but they still need to win them.

    I don't question the work ethic. I'm not sure if the Oilers thought they were that good, or they failed to appreciate how good the rest of the league was, but the mental toughness, intensity, and focus isn't close to where it needs to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    I cannot understand for the life of me why she is still employed in sports broadcasting. She is horrendous. Just objectively bad at her job in every respect. And it's got nothing to do with her gender. Sportsnet and TSN each have half a dozen female sportscasters who are far more deserving of a prime gig like that Campbell has, if the CBC needs to check a diversity box somewhere. Campbell is just brutal at her job.
    I think Cassie Campbell is great. I've seen her a lot, watching Flames broadcasts, usually down between the benches. She does colour when Hrudey isn't available. Really good analysis. Knows what she's talking about, and knows the team.

    She was talking about Giordano way before he was on anyone's radar. Most people, including me, had never heard of him.

    I know your comment has nothing to do with gender, and neither does mine.

    I do wonder why there aren't more women in the expert analysis end of things, like the expert panels, and hot stove panels? All of the hockey writers I'm familiar with are men. All of the broadcasters. All of the panel guests. All of the bloggers. All of them.

    A woman might sneak in here and there as a host.

    Don't tell me there isn't a woman out there better than, say, Mike "They're trying to take concussions out of the game" Milbury.

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    I really like her too. She's a hockey player herself and knows a lot. You can't compare her to the ladies reading the teleprompters at the sports desks, she's a player. You're right, she's great and I hope they keep her on, only covering more games.
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    Cassie Campbell though has been a notorious Flames homer and was during the recent broadcast. Her hubby afairc is with the Flames organization, she lives in Calgary, and it really shows. The recent HNIC was embarrassing. She made no adjustment to reflect that it was a neutral broadcast and not a home broadcast. Her comments like "the flames really need to get it going, the Flames are giving this away, the Flames yada yada.'' The Oilers would score another goal and she'd talk about what the Flames weren't doing on the play. At one point she makes a comment that the score could be 4-1 (it was 3-1) and the Oilers had already hit 3 goalposts and Pulju missed a wide open net puck. The score could have been 6 or 7-1.

    You can have all the awareness of hockey but if you are not a broadcaster, and not aware of your tone and content, and being neutral than it really makes for a limited broadcast. I suspect Flames fans might like her better. She's reviled by most Oilers fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Interesting article, basically, the team is exactly the same at even strength as last year (its not too slow, not too big, the scoring is the same without Eberle), but its just horrible at special teams.
    Interesting comment about team speed. While the team may not have gotten slower, the talking heads on the sports channels have pointed out that some of the teams in the league have gotten faster. Coupled with the clampdown on interference and stick work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Cassie Campbell though has been a notorious Flames homer and was during the recent broadcast. Her hubby afairc is with the Flames organization, she lives in Calgary, and it really shows. The recent HNIC was embarrassing. She made no adjustment to reflect that it was a neutral broadcast and not a home broadcast. Her comments like "the flames really need to get it going, the Flames are giving this away, the Flames yada yada.'' The Oilers would score another goal and she'd talk about what the Flames weren't doing on the play. At one point she makes a comment that the score could be 4-1 (it was 3-1) and the Oilers had already hit 3 goalposts and Pulju missed a wide open net puck. The score could have been 6 or 7-1.

    You can have all the awareness of hockey but if you are not a broadcaster, and not aware of your tone and content, and being neutral than it really makes for a limited broadcast. I suspect Flames fans might like her better. She's reviled by most Oilers fans.
    I watch broadcasts from lots of cities. Every broadcast team has a "homer" or two.

    Drew Remenda, a "super-homer", is often criticized for not being enough of a homer. Is Mark Spector a homer? Oh boy. Terry Jones recently wrote how the loss to the Leafs was a moral victory to build on, like he was watching another game.

    Mickey Redmond, in Detroit, is a HUGE homer. Possibly the worst. Denis Potvin, formerly in Ottawa, now with the Panthers, is regularly way over the top, and even issued a public apology for calling Daniel Sedin a "lowlife" after he scored the game winning goal.

    The guy in LA, who I think is the best in the league, is the only one who stands out to me for being least biased, but he's a homer too.

    Of course Don Cherry is a huge Leafs and Bruins fan, and doesn't try to hide it.

    Most people who watch home broadcasts are home fans, obviously, so expect to hear more about their team.

    Campbell knows the team as well as anyone. I don't care who she's married to. I don't find her more of a homer than usual, but she does provide lots of insight into the Flames. Hrudey is a homer for the Flames too, and he regularly joins panel discussions and works with other broadcasts.

    I'd expect Oilers fans not to like anyone who has anything to do with the Flames.
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    Interesting to hear the criticism about Cassie being a homer, I wonder if that is something that is even critiqued internally by the producers of the sports casts. My only real criticism with her is more with her voice and presentation style. She comes across to me as being lifeless and monotonous, would like to hear some excitement in her voice and expression every once in a while.
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    Cassie Campbell though has been a notorious Flames homer and was during the recent broadcast. Her hubby afairc is with the Flames organization, she lives in Calgary, and it really shows. The recent HNIC was embarrassing. She made no adjustment to reflect that it was a neutral broadcast and not a home broadcast. Her comments like "the flames really need to get it going, the Flames are giving this away, the Flames yada yada.'' The Oilers would score another goal and she'd talk about what the Flames weren't doing on the play. At one point she makes a comment that the score could be 4-1 (it was 3-1) and the Oilers had already hit 3 goalposts and Pulju missed a wide open net puck. The score could have been 6 or 7-1.

    You can have all the awareness of hockey but if you are not a broadcaster, and not aware of your tone and content, and being neutral than it really makes for a limited broadcast. I suspect Flames fans might like her better. She's reviled by most Oilers fans.
    I watch broadcasts from lots of cities. Every broadcast team has a "homer" or two.

    Drew Remenda, a "super-homer", is often criticized for not being enough of a homer. Is Mark Spector a homer? Oh boy. Terry Jones recently wrote how the loss to the Leafs was a moral victory to build on, like he was watching another game.

    Mickey Redmond, in Detroit, is a HUGE homer. Possibly the worst. Denis Potvin, formerly in Ottawa, now with the Panthers, is regularly way over the top, and even issued a public apology for calling Daniel Sedin a "lowlife" after he scored the game winning goal.

    The guy in LA, who I think is the best in the league, is the only one who stands out to me for being least biased, but he's a homer too.

    Of course Don Cherry is a huge Leafs and Bruins fan, and doesn't try to hide it.

    Most people who watch home broadcasts are home fans, obviously, so expect to hear more about their team.

    Campbell knows the team as well as anyone. I don't care who she's married to. I don't find her more of a homer than usual, but she does provide lots of insight into the Flames. Hrudey is a homer for the Flames too, and he regularly joins panel discussions and works with other broadcasts.

    I'd expect Oilers fans not to like anyone who has anything to do with the Flames.
    I was referring specifically to a HNIC NATIONAL broadcast of a BOA game. You can't be a homer in that broadcast and not get called on it. Inately its commonsense to be neutral in such a broadcast knowing who your audience is.

    Conversely for US broadcasts, like most Canadian broadcasts, there are home and opponent coverage and crews for the same game. If those are homeristic it doesn't much matter. Its when it crosses over into ANOTHER MARKET having to watch the same homer broadcast is when it matters.

    As far as Cherry its not completely fair. He will go on and on about his respect for the hated Habs who killed his Bruins more than anyone else. He has had very fair comments about the Habs and their players. Not as one sided in that regard as you would think. Larry Robinson was one of Cherrys favorites of alltime. Not far from Orr in that regard and Cherry fully notes that as far as intangibles Robinson was one of the best of alltime for completely changing the tone of matches.
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    I would really love to hear Natasha Staniszewski do color commentary. I've always loved her infectious enthusiasm for sports and she seems to know her stuff. Mind you, as an Edmonton girl at heart and a die-hard Oilers fan, people will accuse her of being an Oilers homer.

    As for HNIC, I'm not really surprised with the displays of local or regional homerism when one considers the decades-old love this show has for the Maple Leafs. If you left a cave, joined Canadian civilization for the first time and watched absolutely nothing but HNIC, you would be lead to believe that the Maple Laffs were the only NHL team in Canada and that Doug Gilmour was the greatest player in NHL history.
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    I do wonder why there aren't more women in the expert analysis end of things, like the expert panels, and hot stove panels? All of the hockey writers I'm familiar with are men. All of the broadcasters. All of the panel guests. All of the bloggers. All of them.

    A woman might sneak in here and there as a host.

    Don't tell me there isn't a woman out there better than, say, Mike "They're trying to take concussions out of the game" Milbury.

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    Leah Hextall was excellent as a host for the game day hockey panels and sometimes on Hockey Central at Noon. She could hold her own against Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos. You could tell she has some spark and chutzpah.

    But for some reason SportsNet canned her 2 years ago.

    She is definitely better than George Strombo.

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    I wonder what happened to Strombo , havn't seen him on TV at all lately

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    The Oilers had a pretty good game in Montreal, mind you for most of the game the Habs were atrocious.

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    Khaira had a great night. Brossoit also had a better game.

    I imagine that Ellis might start tomorrow night in Toronto.
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    So did Jesse P.

    Maybe start with LB and if LB plays poorly toss in Ellis somewhere just to give him some game time.
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    Nice to see Toronto played a game last night as well, so we aren't at a disadvantage there.
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    ^ Dude, its too early for that this year. Save it for next season, lol. j/k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Nice to see Toronto played a game last night as well, so we aren't at a disadvantage there.
    At least both teams (Oilers/Leafs) this afternoon played the day before. I'll be out having a late brunch with the wife this afternoon Londonderry mall so I'll miss the first period.
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    Good game under way. Cant believe the Oilers gave up a 5-3 for 2 minutes. It wasn't for the lack of effort.
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