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    Nuge is not valuable to this club. Letestu is a better performing Center right now. Nuge is arguably #4 in terms of what he is bringing. Nuge is not a typical NHL defensive C either. He does not have the strength or size to be able to contain other WC Centers or forwards.

    In anycase McD, Drai, Nuge, see a mix of top opposition. Nuge does the worst with it. Not sure what else needs to be stated.

    Again where were you in the playoffs when you said Nuge and Eberle and Lucic would be bringing it in the playoffs? That they would show their value then? We've seen how much Eberle meant to the team. He was traded for Strome, lol. Oilers being happy they could give the contract away.
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    There are many people that think that the Dri contract was too rich and that he was overpaid by at least a million. Edit King doesn't know that there were offer sheets. You would think if there was one the Oilers would have disclosed it as justification for the overpay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Edit King doesn't know that there were offer sheets. You would think if there was one the Oilers would have disclosed it as justification for the overpay.
    Its typical Replacement - he claims something is going to happen, then when it doesn't, he pretends it happened anyway. In his deranged mind Yakupov is still the best prospect in the NHL. I think Draisaitl will have a good year. But I am starting to worry a bit about the cap in a year or two, each 1m or 1.5m overpay, is a little less available if some of these kids like Yamamoto or Pool party come through. Overall PC has built a nicely balanced team by bringing in experience (Lucic, Russel), and making the tough trades of the one dimension players who don't quite fit in (Hall for Larson, Eberle for Strome).
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    Lol. I'm considered wrong even when I'm right.

    I said Drai would end up costing the Oilers at least 9M. I was pretty close.

    Carry on I guess. Reminds me that its impossible to have sensible discussion with you on any topic about anything moa.
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    TSN's Frank Seravalli predicts the Oilers will win the Cup this season

    31 bold predictions for the NHL season
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    It was a different time and we all know the game has changed a lot since #99 even with the line up Pocklington had, Slats said something like: "The Edmonton Oilers will win the Stanley Cup within 5 years," the rest is history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    TSN's Frank Seravalli predicts the Oilers will win the Cup this season

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    Have to say I'm a little concerned about the defense at least to start the year. The defense has not looked all that good throughout preseason, including the "vets". Klefbom and Larsson appeared to have a harder time breaking out than last preseason, and with Sekera unavailable for a while, I'm not sure Benning is ready for the extra load. Then with the 3rd pairing, Benning was the puck mover between him and Nurse, and now it's likely Gryba and Nurse, neither of which are great puck movers. I know its "just preseason", but looking at the way they played, it seemed they struggled a bit against a strong forecheck.

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    Benning has really struggled in preseason action. Not that he seemed ready for primetime even last season. Russell also a year older, and as you say Sekera unavailable.

    The first test is tonight.

    One thing I hope is that the team has weeded out any previous lazy tendencies. They might think the Flames are a speedbump. Teams will be playing the Oilers harder this year, almost every game will be harder.
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    Exciting night ahead.

    Time to give the bulls the slip and get over to the bar early to get a good seat for the big lid lifter.

    Top_Dawg is stoked.

    The hapless Jets are going to get schooled.

    A precursor to another season for them like last season.

    And also the NL Wild Card game goes tonight.

    The beer will be flowin' like crazy.

    It's gonna be awesome.


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    From one of David Staples' twitter accounts
    https://twitter.com/dstaples/status/915648143588450304

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    Good call, giving the A to Larsson to replace Eberle, joining Nuge and Lucic. Makes sense to me rather than Draisaitl, not because he doesn't deserve it, but because there should I think be an A leader in the defense corp.

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    ^^ I'd never vote for Connor McJesus for mayor--we need him doing his other full-time job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Good call, giving the A to Larsson to replace Eberle, joining Nuge and Lucic. Makes sense to me rather than Draisaitl, not because he doesn't deserve it, but because there should I think be an A leader in the defense corp.

    https://oilersnation.com/2017/10/04/...rnate-captain/
    Larsson makes sense getting an A. Now we have one less captain not earning it. Lets hope this year Nuge and Lucic can elevate their games in regular season and playoffs and actually perform consistent with what we are paying them and expecting from them.

    Well, here we go, ready for first game.
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    Nice touch for the Oilers org to get Constable Mike Chernyk and Police chief Knecht out there to get a salute pregame. Both did Edmonton proud as Knecht is an excellent police chief and Chernyk played a hero last weekend somehow fending off the attacker and not relinquishing his gun after having been hit by the attackers car. Amazed to see him even walking, good to see that he seems OK. He is indeed a hero because its quite possible some people would have died if the terrorist managed to get his gun.

    On the ice its a slobberknocker and fairly classic game. Offense vs Defence matchup. Mike Smith has certainly improved Calgarys goaltending and Hamonic is obviously an improvement on their blue line. Oilers need to get it going outside of our topline nobody else really establishing anything much. Really hope Slepy and Pakman see some action soon. Team is playing Cagg and he's just getting tossed around out there. Yama hasn't looked ready either. Would like the Oilers to dress the biggest team possible. PaK and Slepy would be better alternatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lobbdogg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    TSN's Frank Seravalli predicts the Oilers will win the Cup this season

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    Have to say I'm a little concerned about the defense at least to start the year. The defense has not looked all that good throughout preseason, including the "vets". Klefbom and Larsson appeared to have a harder time breaking out than last preseason, and with Sekera unavailable for a while, I'm not sure Benning is ready for the extra load. Then with the 3rd pairing, Benning was the puck mover between him and Nurse, and now it's likely Gryba and Nurse, neither of which are great puck movers. I know its "just preseason", but looking at the way they played, it seemed they struggled a bit against a strong forecheck.
    Ok, I take most of this back now. Defense looked much more poised on Game 1. It's like they flipped a switch and turned off the suck.

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    I was on my commute coming home so I didn't get the scores of the game until I got home after the game was over. Google told me it was 3-0 Oilers

    Then I saw the highlights: Holy Sh-t! All goals by McDavid. Wow!
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    McDavid will get the glory and dominate the highlight reels, but the real story of the game is how the Oilers' team defense completely smothered the Flames. They gave nothing to Calgary all game. Easy shutout for Talbot.

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    ^there were some interesting comments before the game that TM had put out a bit of a challenge to the D just before the season started. They should be better this year even without Sekera because the patterns of the style of play are all familiar to them now. If they can sustain it for most of the season, this will be a great year.

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    I loved Lucic hitting the Calgary player to get the puck and feed it out to front of the net, resulting in McDavid's 3rd goal of the night.

    Wayne Simmonds (Philly) also got a hat trick last night, but only Talbot got a shutout. Simmonds actually scored on all 3 of his shots last night. That's crazy.
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    Lucic laid out the Flame, Drai pounced on the puck and immediately fed it to McD. Drais passing on the night was superlative. McD is so fast its hard to hit him accurately on the fly and yet Drai does it every time. Around 10 excellent feeds last night.

    Oilers will probably need to separate the two but nobody plays with McD like Drai does. Plus being really heavy on the puck. The Drai power move in the 3rd period creating a great scoring chance after coming out from behind the net was impressive. Drai moves to scoring areas with an opponent on his back. Our topline burns teams with speed and strength. McD is even faster this season. How can that be?

    Johnny Hockey and Monahan looked like speed bumps last night. Owned by Mcd and Drai all game.
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    As good as Talbot was last night and the rest of the team, the Flames didn't have Jagr in the line up. Without Jagr, the Flames caught in the off ice stuff, I think, were having an off game.

    To be fair, reports I've heard is that Jagr is going to get about 11 minutes/game. Maybe 3-5 shifts/game. The Flames have got to play their younger guys.

    The Oilers played another perfect Home game. Love it.
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    Jagr will only slow the Flames down and not provide what they need which is balanced scoring. Oilers topline annihilated the Flames topline all night and that was the story, as well as the Flames getting very little depth performance. The Flames 4th line was their most effective line. That's lol worthy.

    All the Flames were able to do is try to shutdown the whole game. Hoping for a 1-1 tie and an OT point.

    The Flames actually played as well as they can and got shutout and beat 3-0.

    Connor McDavid deftly communicated that "you can't touch this" in the first 35secs of play getting his first break. Without Smith in net this scoreline is like last season opener.

    The one bright spot for Calgary was Hamonic and he still got beat like a rented mule but at least made some plays and knocked the puck off Connors stick 3 times. Hardly anybody else on the Flames could even touch Connor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo
    Jagr is going to get about 11 minutes/game. Maybe 3-5 shifts/game.


    How long do you think the average NHL shift is?

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    ^ heh.

    Anyway just another comment but Jokinen looked pretty solid last night. Made a lot of smart plays. I'm very unfamiliar with the player as I rarely watch the Florida clubs.

    The one thing I don't understand is the OILERS trade for Desharnais last season giving up Davidson ( a good player) and then just let Desharnais walk and sign Jokinen instead. Is this much other than a lateral move and us losing Davidson? Again I don't know much about Jokinen. Not knocking him either, he looks like a solid vet, but I thought Desharnais played reasonably well for us.
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    He had a couple great games in the playoffs, but he's a pretty replaceable part. IMO Jokinen is a big step up from him. It was a shame to lose Davidson, but he's also a bottom of the roster, replaceable part. Apparently he's had a poor pre-season and may have played himself off the team in Montreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    As good as Talbot was last night and the rest of the team, the Flames didn't have Jagr in the line up. Without Jagr, the Flames caught in the off ice stuff, I think, were having an off game.
    With all due respect, Jagr wasn't going to save the Flames last night. I'm happy that Jagr continues playing hockey in the NHL, but I doubt he'll be a major piece of any team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
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    As good as Talbot was last night and the rest of the team, the Flames didn't have Jagr in the line up. Without Jagr, the Flames caught in the off ice stuff, I think, were having an off game.
    With all due respect, Jagr wasn't going to save the Flames last night. I'm happy that Jagr continues playing hockey in the NHL, but I doubt he'll be a major piece of any team.
    Perhaps more importantly Jagr is a waste of a jersey if the Flames ever do get to the playoffs and we face them. He gets nothing at all done in the playoffs in recent years. Rarely scores a goal. He's just not a difference maker of any kind in present day. Its on name recognition only that the Flames have this player, and to sell a few tickets in a harder market than here. Jagr will generate what resembles scoring chances but invariably they don't result in a lot of goals. At this point he's a busy player that looks good superficially but is behind the play, slower in anticipation, and passes aren't doing much. He's finally a spent force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    As good as Talbot was last night and the rest of the team, the Flames didn't have Jagr in the line up. Without Jagr, the Flames caught in the off ice stuff, I think, were having an off game.
    With all due respect, Jagr wasn't going to save the Flames last night. I'm happy that Jagr continues playing hockey in the NHL, but I doubt he'll be a major piece of any team.
    Perhaps more importantly Jagr is a waste of a jersey if the Flames ever do get to the playoffs and we face them. He gets nothing at all done in the playoffs in recent years. Rarely scores a goal. He's just not a difference maker of any kind in present day. Its on name recognition only that the Flames have this player, and to sell a few tickets in a harder market than here. Jagr will generate what resembles scoring chances but invariably they don't result in a lot of goals. At this point he's a busy player that looks good superficially but is behind the play, slower in anticipation, and passes aren't doing much. He's finally a spent force.
    Without looking it up and I'm no expert , I'd say average NHL shift is about 1.5-2 minutes long, but that depends on a number of factors.


    Initially because of all hype over Jagr, I'm beginning to think this was a pr move more then anything.
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    The average shift is more like 30 - 40 seconds.

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    ^Ok, thanks.

    I didn't have time to look it up. Usually players ice time is 15-20 minutes/game, but that's up to a coaches prerogative, the player what the situation is etc.

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    Not a very good performance. The Oilers **** the bed identical to last week against the Canucks (preseason) and again lose 3-2 to one of the expected to be worst clubs in the league. Oilers D tonight horrendous. Canucks had something like 20 scoring chances. If the Oilers were playing a team with any kind of finish this one would have been embarrassing. The Oilers tried to win playing one period of hockey, the 3rd.

    Disappointing.

    At least they should be able to spank the Jets senseless on Monday.
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    Talbot started the game. He was lit up for 3 GA on the Nucks first 7 shots. He was pulled and Brossoit came in and played well or the Nucks could have had 6-7 goals.

    Bad game, erase the tape, back to the drawing board.

    Games like this though is exactly why I say this season is going to be harder for the Oilers. Every team gets up for us now.
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    I missed most of the game. Sounds like Talbot just had a off night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I missed most of the game. Sounds like Talbot just had a off night.
    Talbot is a great goalie, but pretty much the whole club had an off night. It was painfully obvious even from the first period that the Oilers were not prepared mentally for this game and were not matching intensity or speed out there. With apologies to players like Kassian who made a special effort.

    Drai played well also. A third period pass to McD after completing a Savardian spin that was hilite reel worthy had McD scored.

    Drai is turning out to be a sensational passer. He's hit McD perfect around 10 times already this season.
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    The one positive was that the Lucic, Nuge, Kassian line playedreally well, Tmac complementing them after the game, Nuge the best Oilers forward on the ice, having the type of game we need from him, with 19 minutes of ice time, a goal, and 55 percent on face offs:

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    Since I missed most of the game last night was there any goal controversy or anything? How was officiating from a unbiased pov?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    How was officiating from a unbiased pov?
    Inconsistent and unpredictable. Almost as if the refs had no idea what the rules were sometimes. In other words, a typical NHL game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Since I missed most of the game last night was there any goal controversy or anything? How was officiating from a unbiased pov?
    I don't think it impacted the result although the Nucks got a lot of man advantages. Its that silly time of year when refs are calling everything, and also told to get on the new changes and call every wrist slash and so on. To that end it interrupts the flow of the game and how much is 5 on 5 play. It was distraction if anything. Oilers had difficulty getting their flow of play established until the 3rd period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Not a very good performance. The Oilers **** the bed identical to last week against the Canucks (preseason) and again lose 3-2 to one of the expected to be worst clubs in the league. Oilers D tonight horrendous. Canucks had something like 20 scoring chances. If the Oilers were playing a team with any kind of finish this one would have been embarrassing. The Oilers tried to win playing one period of hockey, the 3rd.

    Disappointing.

    At least they should be able to spank the Jets senseless on Monday.
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    I'd say Jets top line owned the Oilers on this night. Ehlers could have easily scored a couple more on some great chances.

    Maybe the Jets aren't as bad as you seem to believe. The thing that did them in last year, and looks like it might this year, is goaltending. I don't know what they were thinking with Mason.
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    The Jets rarely play with the type of concerted backchecking they did tonight. They had everybody on board for one game after being absolutely embarrassed, undressed, allowing 13 goals in their first 2 GP.

    So a team with everything to prove was playing a team that already proved itself last season.

    This is actually the first time the Jets beat the Oilers in regulation since 2015.

    The Jets typically allow a lot of chances and a lot of GA. We got them on a determined night. How often will they play this well? Even at that the Oilers had the run of play in the first period and were down 2-0. Jets got some breaks in this one, it happens. Its more than goaltending as well. The Jets D is not exactly special. That team is loaded at forward and theres not much else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    The Jets rarely play with the type of concerted backchecking they did tonight. They had everybody on board for one game after being absolutely embarrassed, undressed, allowing 13 goals in their first 2 GP.

    So a team with everything to prove was playing a team that already proved itself last season.

    This is actually the first time the Jets beat the Oilers in regulation since 2015.

    The Jets typically allow a lot of chances and a lot of GA. We got them on a determined night. How often will they play this well? Even at that the Oilers had the run of play in the first period and were down 2-0. Jets got some breaks in this one, it happens. Its more than goaltending as well. The Jets D is not exactly special. That team is loaded at forward and theres not much else.
    Well they were missing Bufuglien, but I'm sure you think he stinks too.

    How does winning one round of the playoffs qualify as "proving themselves"? People on this site were dumping on Vancouver for losing in the Finals, and only winning the President's Trophy. You continuously dump on Tampa - a team that made the Final two years in a row.

    But the Oilers win a single round and they proven themselves?

    They haven't proven anything. Aim a little higher.

    If anyone thinks they don't have to prove themselves every single game, the team will suck.

    I don't think that'll be the case. At least I hope not.
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    The highlight for me was seeing RNH get that goal. It wasn't that the Oilers played poorly last night. The Jets wanted the game more on a Home team that has a big target on their jersey's. I hope the Oilers make the playoffs this year. The sky isn't falling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    The highlight for me was seeing RNH get that goal. It wasn't that the Oilers played poorly last night. The Jets wanted the game more on a Home team that has a big target on their jersey's. I hope the Oilers make the playoffs this year. The sky isn't falling.
    I was a bit concerned after the pre-season - I called it, that often a good pre-season, is bad news for the regular season when it matters. I think the team will be fine, but there's probably a little bit of a lack of hunger / reading their own press. There is a long way to go, just to make the playoffs. Nice to see Nuge continuing to put up the "secondary" scoring, although last couple of games its the "first" scoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
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    The Jets rarely play with the type of concerted backchecking they did tonight. They had everybody on board for one game after being absolutely embarrassed, undressed, allowing 13 goals in their first 2 GP.

    So a team with everything to prove was playing a team that already proved itself last season.

    This is actually the first time the Jets beat the Oilers in regulation since 2015.

    The Jets typically allow a lot of chances and a lot of GA. We got them on a determined night. How often will they play this well? Even at that the Oilers had the run of play in the first period and were down 2-0. Jets got some breaks in this one, it happens. Its more than goaltending as well. The Jets D is not exactly special. That team is loaded at forward and theres not much else.
    Well they were missing Bufuglien, but I'm sure you think he stinks too.

    How does winning one round of the playoffs qualify as "proving themselves"? People on this site were dumping on Vancouver for losing in the Finals, and only winning the President's Trophy. You continuously dump on Tampa - a team that made the Final two years in a row.

    But the Oilers win a single round and they proven themselves?

    They haven't proven anything. Aim a little higher.

    If anyone thinks they don't have to prove themselves every single game, the team will suck.

    I don't think that'll be the case. At least I hope not.
    Buff, jmo, is better offensively than he is defensively. Last night however we got to see Trouba channeling Drew Doughty for extended moments. Something frankly that I'd never seen from him before.

    Look, the Jets allowed 256GA last season, among the worst in the league. That isn't a mirage, and it isn't just goaltending. Its substandard D and lack of defensive focus as well. The Jets concerted focus last night and support in all areas is something you rarely see from that club. Something that Jets fans hadn't seen this season.

    As far as the Oilers we went half way to the SC last season, probably should have won the Ducks series, and the only reason we didn't was substandard production and results from multiple players that should be producing. Core guys like McD, Drai, Talbot were great. Larsson was fantastic. The team look quite composed in the playoffs and confident. Around the league pundits feel this Oilers club is dangerous, a serious threat, with some feeling they could be favorites.

    I said from the outset this season will be tough. Because I think teams will really be gearing up for the Oilers every game. The Oilers may not have as much in the tank left for this postseason and I still think they are a few players short. Next season is when I think the Oilers will go on a serious playoff run again.
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    Didn't the Jets play their backup against the Oilers last night?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Didn't the Jets play their backup against the Oilers last night?
    Hellbucket is probably better than Mason. He had a good game. He was making screen stops look easy. The most important thing is he wasn't giving up a lot of rebounds. Oilers kill teams on rebounds. SOG at one point were 21-11 in favor of the Oilers and we had been down 2-0. It happens sometimes. Couple goals that Talbot shouldn't let in although he played well when it was 2-0 and kept us around.

    Oddly after tying the game we again lost focus. All round D coverage in this game was really bad. Give up 45 shots in the NHL and you're going to lose games.
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    The Oilers have to get used to every other team will bring their “A” game every night. No more taking anyone by surprise.
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    According to Reid Wilkins Draisaitl is not on the ice today at practice.

    As per recent Oilers history his shoulder is probably f-ed after that awesome hit from Trouba. Surgery followed by 3-6 months recovery would mean no 1L RW or 2ndL C.

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    ^That sucks. Were spoiled a bit by lack of injuries last year. It opens up a spot for someone on that RW.

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    ^ Not so fast. Apparently the issue was "a puck or stick near the eye last game" and "they're waiting for the swelling to go down before he returns". Nothing about his shoulder, nothing about surgery.

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    Damn (but not really). So much for my baseless rumour-mongering.

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    Well, ajs, you were basing your post on about a decade of Oiler injuries. It's not like you were reaching for something absolutely absurd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    The Oilers have to get used to every other team will bring their “A” game every night. No more taking anyone by surprise.
    Indeed. The fact that other teams are throwing everything they have into every play is actually kinda flattering. It only makes the Oilers stronger -- it goes both ways, since now the opposing teams have nothing up their sleeves, either. We've seen what they can do. They've got nothing else to give.

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    Oh man, what a drubbing. Thank goodness the Oilers have cap space. No scoring wingers but plenty of cap space. And Lucic.

    Kind of like the Ice District now that I think about it. Lots of office space. No one to put in them but plenty of offices. And Iveson.

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    Having Dria injured is making a bit of a difference here. The Oiler are having a slow start. it happens in hockey, they'll pick things up.

    What's Mayor Don got to do with the way the Oilers are playing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    The Oilers have to get used to every other team will bring their “A” game every night. No more taking anyone by surprise.
    Indeed. The fact that other teams are throwing everything they have into every play is actually kinda flattering. It only makes the Oilers stronger -- it goes both ways, since now the opposing teams have nothing up their sleeves, either. We've seen what they can do. They've got nothing else to give.
    On his night they were a well rested team at home facing a team missing their star player on the second night of back to back road games playing their backup goaltender.

    Coach Todd is right - they are getting outworked. And, frankly, outsmarted. I think maybe the team have been reading too many David Staples articles.

    The Oilers were missing their best player too, and I'm not talking about Draisaitl. 18% at the dot on a rare night the Oilers won the face-off %.

    I'm sure they'll find their game, but I hope it's soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    The Oilers have to get used to every other team will bring their “A” game every night. No more taking anyone by surprise.
    Indeed. The fact that other teams are throwing everything they have into every play is actually kinda flattering. It only makes the Oilers stronger -- it goes both ways, since now the opposing teams have nothing up their sleeves, either. We've seen what they can do. They've got nothing else to give.
    On his night they were a well rested team at home facing a team missing their star player on the second night of back to back road games playing their backup goaltender.

    Coach Todd is right - they are getting outworked. And, frankly, outsmarted. I think maybe the team have been reading too many David Staples articles.

    The Oilers were missing their best player too, and I'm not talking about Draisaitl. 18% at the dot on a rare night the Oilers won the face-off %.

    I'm sure they'll find their game, but I hope it's soon.
    I don't disagree. Trust me, I feel the shame. :P

    Still, call me a cockeyed optimist, but I think it'll be a different story altogether by November.
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    Talbot also needs to play out of the net a little more. Five players (McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Russell and Larsson) have goals, and only five more have one or more points. Carolina's a must-win game on Monday.
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    Hey great. I'm working the phones on behalf of Mayor Iveson campaign. Since we're done by 5pm I'll be able to watch a bit of wrestling, and if the hockey game goes South, I can follow the election results.
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    Team looked really bad without Draisaitl. Completely alters the lineup and results in McD trying to do it all on his own and setting that example for rest of the club in a series of individual efforts.

    The cupboard sure looked bare for scoring last night and we can't even defend without Sekera.

    Few players are distinguishing positively this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    The Oilers have to get used to every other team will bring their “A” game every night. No more taking anyone by surprise.
    Indeed. The fact that other teams are throwing everything they have into every play is actually kinda flattering. It only makes the Oilers stronger -- it goes both ways, since now the opposing teams have nothing up their sleeves, either. We've seen what they can do. They've got nothing else to give.
    On his night they were a well rested team at home facing a team missing their star player on the second night of back to back road games playing their backup goaltender.

    Coach Todd is right - they are getting outworked. And, frankly, outsmarted. I think maybe the team have been reading too many David Staples articles.

    The Oilers were missing their best player too, and I'm not talking about Draisaitl. 18% at the dot on a rare night the Oilers won the face-off %.

    I'm sure they'll find their game, but I hope it's soon.
    The afterhours with Bobby Ryan was quite revealing. Told a tale of two teams. Sens are very resolute, used to challenges, and players like Anderson, Ryan, others have had enough real life problems of the gravest variety that they have had to overcome. So that overcoming things on ice is easy, the simplest thing to do. He related that to how the Sens are so resilient. Some players on the Oilers have had that, maybe Lucic, Kassian, Maroon, and they're better for it, but a lot of players on this team have not faced real life hardship. It can kind of define you, change you. Sometimes positively.

    They say that great art comes from tragedy. I wonder sometimes if great sporting result comes from it as well.

    The Sens are a veteran hockey team, but veterans of life as well. They know how to get over the absence of a Karlsson, just how they knew how to get over the absence of Anderson. That team sure knows who they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    The Oilers have to get used to every other team will bring their “A” game every night. No more taking anyone by surprise.
    Indeed. The fact that other teams are throwing everything they have into every play is actually kinda flattering. It only makes the Oilers stronger -- it goes both ways, since now the opposing teams have nothing up their sleeves, either. We've seen what they can do. They've got nothing else to give.
    On his night they were a well rested team at home facing a team missing their star player on the second night of back to back road games playing their backup goaltender.

    Coach Todd is right - they are getting outworked. And, frankly, outsmarted. I think maybe the team have been reading too many David Staples articles.

    The Oilers were missing their best player too, and I'm not talking about Draisaitl. 18% at the dot on a rare night the Oilers won the face-off %.

    I'm sure they'll find their game, but I hope it's soon.
    The afterhours with Bobby Ryan was quite revealing. Told a tale of two teams. Sens are very resolute, used to challenges, and players like Anderson, Ryan, others have had enough real life problems of the gravest variety that they have had to overcome. So that overcoming things on ice is easy, the simplest thing to do. He related that to how the Sens are so resilient. Some players on the Oilers have had that, maybe Lucic, Kassian, Maroon, and they're better for it, but a lot of players on this team have not faced real life hardship. It can kind of define you, change you. Sometimes positively.

    They say that great art comes from tragedy. I wonder sometimes if great sporting result comes from it as well.

    The Sens are a veteran hockey team, but veterans of life as well. They know how to get over the absence of a Karlsson, just how they knew how to get over the absence of Anderson. That team sure knows who they are.
    For sure. Ottawa have a strong team identity, and when they are on their game it's hard to tell one player from the other.

    The Sens and the Oil are at opposite ends of the spectrum as far as respect goes. The Sens never got any respect, and they don't get any this year, despite pushing the Stanley Cup champs to double overtime, game seven. Lots of hockey people seem to think last season was a fluke, and have them outside the playoffs looking in this season.

    The Oilers, on the other hand, have been crowned by many, or most, as the team most likely to win the Cup, after the Penguins. Maybe they forgot how hard it is to win in this league. So hard to take that next step. Ask the Capitals.

    Every team is going to key on McDavid this year. With Draisaitl it's a lot tougher to do, because they have to watch him too, and McDavid gets a lot more room.

    I wonder about coach Todd's approach this year. He keeps saying they need to play with more speed, and also criticizes players for cheating on the back check to loop and build speed on the counter attack.

    It's also easy to forget Talbot won a lot of games for the Oilers last year, and he's struggling to regain that form too.

    Whiskeyjack is exactly right when he or she says teams are keying on the Oilers this year, and it will make them stronger, if they can find a way to rise to the occasion.

    Kassian is the one guy that seems to bring it every game so far. But expecting him to lead the team is too much to ask of the guy. He's no McDavid, obviously.

    Lucic is looking slower all the time - as slow as Jagr. But Jagr has such a strong game on the boards and in the corner, and Lucic needs some of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Team looked really bad without Draisaitl. Completely alters the lineup and results in McD trying to do it all on his own and setting that example for rest of the club in a series of individual efforts.

    The cupboard sure looked bare for scoring last night and we can't even defend without Sekera.

    Few players are distinguishing positively this season.
    Auvitu looked so good a couple seasons ago with NJ. He took Larsson's spot and looked just as good, if not the same kind of player. Maybe it speaks to how strong a defender Andy Greene is. Putting him and Gryba on the 3rd pairing is a disaster waiting to happen. Barely an NHL level pairing.

    Hate to say it, but, Strome is no Eberle, and the Oilers are going to have a tough time replacing his 20 goals.
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    Time to give Wayne a demotion. Lace up them skates Gretz and show them how its done. JK

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    ^ Maybe in the old timer league.
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    He turns 57 on Jan 26. Make you feel old much? Gretz is pushing 60 and I remember the kids first game here. Lol.

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    ^ I arrived in August, Gretz arrived, what in June of 1978?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Hate to say it, but, Strome is no Eberle, and the Oilers are going to have a tough time replacing his 20 goals.
    I don't think so, we see Nuge already stepping up. Eberle has 3 assists and is negative 3, Nuge has 2 goals and is plus 2. The issue at the moment is the D and goal. Give it time. The scoring will be fine once the back end stops leaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    Hate to say it, but, Strome is no Eberle, and the Oilers are going to have a tough time replacing his 20 goals.
    I don't think so, we see Nuge already stepping up. The issue at the moment is the D and goal. Give it time. The scoring is fine right now.
    What scoring?

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    Big game between Tampa and Detroit tonight.

    Winner pulls ahead of the mighty Leafs for first in the Atlantic Division.

    Top_Dawg will watch the whole slug fest.

    No sense voting this time around.

    Only the wingnut contingent running for mayor so ol' Iveson the Terrible is a shoe-in.

    Also Houston's in Yankee Stadium for Game 3.

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