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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Not bad for a 34 yr old backup goaltender. Geez....
    Goalie won the game for Leafs.

    McDavid could have, and maybe should have, had three tonight.

    Unfortunately tonight the Hawks won, Blues won, and Minny beat SJ in OT.

    Blues, Knights, Sharks, Kings, Avs, and Flames all won Saturday, with Jets picking up a loser point.

    Friday it was the Hawks winning, with both the Knights-Preds and the Wild-Ducks being 3 point games.

    It's a good thing the Oilers have a lot of Divisional games coming up. I think the team is built to succeed in their own Division. I hope so. We'll see.

    They need a sustained run, and they need a whole bunch of teams to collapse. 500 hockey won't come close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Not bad for a 34 yr old backup goaltender. Geez....
    Goalie won the game for Leafs.

    McDavid could have, and maybe should have, had three tonight.

    Unfortunately tonight the Hawks won, Blues won, and Minny beat SJ in OT.

    Blues, Knights, Sharks, Kings, Avs, and Flames all won Saturday, with Jets picking up a loser point.

    Friday it was the Hawks winning, with both the Knights-Preds and the Wild-Ducks being 3 point games.

    It's a good thing the Oilers have a lot of Divisional games coming up. I think the team is built to succeed in their own Division. I hope so. We'll see.

    They need a sustained run, and they need a whole bunch of teams to collapse. 500 hockey won't come close.
    Thing is it doesn't matter. The time to pull out of the whole the Oilers have made for themselves is essentially done. The Oilers schedule is now loaded up on teams that play us better than those that we have faced. Just in the remainder of this month we have around 7 games that are going to be tough. The only WC teams we've looked good against are Calgary, LV, Chicago. That's it. Calgary and Chicago are out of the playoffs at the moment, and LV was playing a 4th string goalie and a large reason they had lost their mojo. We haven't beat one good WC opponent this season from my recollection.

    This Oilers team, with this lack of depth, there is no sustained run.

    We probably need 68pts in our remaining 52 games. For perspective that would be a pace that exceeds last year when this was a better team. Its over.
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    ^
    perhaps, but, just like the last 30, the next 52 are all individual games and one of the reasons they play them is that until they’re over you never really know what the result is going to be.
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    When I state "its over" I'm taking probability licence there. Not that its mathematically over.

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    ^you said last year it was over because all the teams were supposedly too tough... (many of us pointed out to you the schedule was actually easier as less travel, which has a bigger impact than quality of opposition, but you were insistent, and wrong).

    I think its a bit unlikely now, but its not over yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^you said last year it was over because all the teams were supposedly too tough... (many of us pointed out to you the schedule was actually easier as less travel, which has a bigger impact than quality of opposition, but you were insistent, and wrong).

    I think its a bit unlikely now, but its not over yet.
    Its fair to state I was wrong on that. Last year was a bit different in the WC as a lot of things took place. Some clubs folded out of the playoff race, other teams had much more significant injury problems, and the Oilers had a run of pretty unsustainable performance from some pretty unlikely characters.

    That said I don't think my position last year was that the Oilers would miss. I was concerned that for a long time period they were hanging too close to the margins. Any significant injury last season could have caused some problems.

    But we agree that this year playoffs is not something we would bet on.
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    Yes it is.

    It's all over but the drama.

    Top_Dawg is waiting for the chicken choker to can McLellan's azz.

    Just to postpone his own ***** canning.

    Top_Dawg absolutely loves it.

    This bunch couldn't fubar this as bad as they have even if they deliberately tried.

    Hilarious.

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    ^^Agreed.

    ^Agreed as well, I think its a reasonable bet that TM is gone if fail to make playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Not bad for a 34 yr old backup goaltender. Geez....
    Yup, stole the show. Happens. We played well, but simply could not score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Simply could not score.
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    We want the cup!
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    Gotta love that game! 7-2 alright!

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    Hello Oilers. welcome back.
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    Well done guys! 👍

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    The Oilers are climbing the ladder in goals scored, to 14th place.

    Also, Brossoit is 3-2 with a .922 save percentage in December.
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    Commentary on the game last night said the Oilers are the team that hits the most in the league.
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    And blocked shots I believe as well. Is Jason Smith back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Commentary on the game last night said the Oilers are the team that hits the most in the league.
    We are built for playoffs. The challenge is to make it there, given the referees call everything in regular season (but nothing in post season). Smaller faster teams will have an advantage against us now, but no hope come the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Commentary on the game last night said the Oilers are the team that hits the most in the league.
    We are built for playoffs. The challenge is to make it there, given the referees call everything in regular season (but nothing in post season). Smaller faster teams will have an advantage against us now, but no hope come the playoffs.
    Agreed with this. The Oilers, like many Kings clubs, are built for the playoffs, the challenge is often getting there. One could see the converse in Columbus. They are NOT, at all, built for playoffs. We played a track hockey club and used big boy punishing hockey and the jackets were only interested in sticking around for one period. By the 2nd the Jackets had fully felt that this 2 pts was going to be too hard to get. Jackets backed down. Due to what the Oilers showed.

    But the Oilers can't play every game like this either. There are other nights when you just don't have that much energy through the lineup.
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    Another stat was show that the Oilers so far this year have hit 23 goal posts right behind Washington with 24. Just 4 in the Toronto game alone.
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    Don't care. As that sage Mr. Belichick once said "Stats are for losers". Just win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Another stat was show that the Oilers so far this year have hit 23 goal posts right behind Washington with 24. Just 4 in the Toronto game alone.
    Its also an example of stats being misrepresented. As if they are significant. In that graphic there was 1 goal deviations from one team to another in goal post tallies. I doubt theres all that much difference between the mean goal posts hit, or how many times teams have hit our goal post. Maybe its a handful of differentiation.

    But perhaps because I like full vs piecemeal stats its somewhat annoying when partial stat graphics are shown. You don't know if it significant at all without the rest of the information.

    In anycase its meaningless.
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    Stats are just interesting tidbits of info. i just find stats like that amusing. They don't tell the whole picture, however. But I get your point. .
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    What's with Kassian picking a fight with 2 to go up 7-2?

    You just don't do it. That's Kassian-Eberle bush league territory. Zero class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    What's with Kassian picking a fight with 2 to go up 7-2?

    You just don't do it. That's Kassian-Eberle bush league territory. Zero class.
    You have entirely the wrong take on what occurred there. Dubi and Foligno had been running Oilers into the boards wth the game over. Foligno had refused a fight with Kass twice, and with Luc, earlier in the game. Yet Foligno viciously charges Draisaitl into the boards in what was a pure punk move, and then fights Khaira, after declining previous bouts. Again punk move. This immediately preceded the Dubi situation where Kass equalizes and wherein Dubi is seen dropping the gloves. Dubi dropped the gloves, wanted to go (*****) and Kass dropped him with first punch. Got all of him with an uppercut before the broadcast even switched cameras.

    That is not bush on Kassian at all. Even some Jackets fans are doubting Foligno for not manning up in this contest. Any Oilers fan I've seen is saying Foligno is at fault for what went down.

    This is classic retribution for punks that got running around in a game that was over. That was all on Foligno and Dubi. Kass just responding in kind.
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    Stats night for Oilers, but more important, two points.


    Regarding teams that played tonight, the Oil gain 2 points on LA (who I doubt they’ll catch) and Colorado (who they need to pass), and one point on Flames and Vegas, who lose in shootouts.


    Hawks and Wild win.


    The Oilers need to forget the standings and concentrate on what they can control - winning games. Lots of teams manage 10 game streaks or more. There’s no reason this team can’t, especially with Talbot and Sekera back in.


    Unfortunately their destiny isn’t entirely in their hands. I expect they’ll will need to finish top 3 in their Division to get in.


    Colorado - two points up, with a game in hand on Oil. Not a good team. I expect Oilers pass them within a week.


    The Duchene saga has ended (with Nashville the clear winners of the deal). They can move forward. Nathan MacKinnon is everything the Oilers hope Draisaitl is. Great player. Doesn’t mail it in. A leader. Landeskog is really good too. After that, yikes. Or, rather, yawn. Bernier is helping out. Yakupov, too


    Vancouver - 4 points up. I expect the Oilers will reel them in soon, but because of injuries.


    Surprisingly, a good team, with some really good young talent. Not an easy out, by any means. I think they’re going to be in tough with both Horvat and Baertshi out 6+ weeks, among other injuries. Still defensively responsible. Might squeak out a lot of loser points, because they keep it close and low scoring.


    Anaheim - 5 points up. I dunno, maybe Oil can catch them. 4 or 5 games left against them.


    Survived a ton of injuries. Kept games close, and managed a lot of loser points. Getzlaf and Silfverberg are back, Kesler coming back, but now Perry is out. Pretty strong down the middle, especially since they picked up Henrique when missing their top 3 centres at the same time. The way they keep the scores close means a lot of 3 point games, which makes them harder to catch up to.


    Good defence, two good, experienced, goaltenders. Yikes. The Oilers were built to compete with teams like Anaheim. Now’s the time.


    The Flames - 8 points up, even after losing twice to the Oilers. A good team. Or a lousy team. Sometimes on the same night.


    I’ve watched them a lot. When they’re good, they’re really good, and when they’re bad, they’re really bad. The Oilers #1 competition for a variety of reasons. They have a good defence, if not the elite crew some say they are. The guy who surprises me is Michael Stone, and nobody talks about him. The Gaudreau and Monohan deals are looking better every day.


    They got swept by the Ducks last year, but a LOT of that was goaltending. The Ducks were the better team without a doubt, and still are imo. But the Flames weren’t as bad as it’s made out. They’re really missing Versteeg right now, of all guys. He helps make them go. Jagr’s been playing well too, but he’s hurt more often than not, and I think he’s done as a full time player.


    San Jose - 8 points up, 2 games in hand on Oilers.


    I don’t think they’re as good as last year’s team. Thornton looks a year older, for sure. Burns seems to be coming around after a slow start.


    Still a lot of good players who play the game the right way. I haven’t seen them enough this year. Don’t know how much they miss Marleau. Another team that keeps it tight and close, and can eek out a point in a loss.


    Vegas. Vegas? - a whopping 12 points up with a game in hand on the Oilers. I think the Oilers need to hope they crater. Oilers need to sweep them to beat them.


    I picked them for last, like everybody else. Can they keep it up? I’m not so sure, but I’ve been wrong so far. So hard to say when you have zero history to go on.


    The Blue Jackets could have used William Karlsson last night. And I have no clue what Florida was thinking giving up Marchessault - 30 goals and 21 assists in his second season.


    They won with a 4th string goalie. Now Fleury and Subban are back. They have more cap space than the Oilers for a trade deadline pickup.


    LA - 15 points up, but Oilers have a game in hand. Good, experienced, team with a great goaltender. I expect they’ll remain at the top of the division. Can’t see Oilers catching them.


    Does Kopitar play every second season? Does Brown play every fourth? I don’t know how many years Doughty has left in him (or how many years with LA), but he’s playing great right now. I think Quick is the best goalie in the league, and if he stays healthy, he’s hard to beat.


    The Oilers have lots of opportunities to get back in this, but a lot has to go right.

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    Interesting to hear the criticism about Cassie being a homer, I wonder if that is something that is even critiqued internally by the producers of the sports casts. My only real criticism with her is more with her voice and presentation style. She comes across to me as being lifeless and monotonous, would like to hear some excitement in her voice and expression every once in a while.
    Yeah, that's more along the lines of my concern than anything she's actually said. She comes across frequently as nervous and hesitant both in her voice and mannerisms. When she first started she was probably the worst sporstcaster I'd ever seen on camera, it was incredible. Now she's just merely below average if not outright bad. But even last year there was this really goofy intermission bit she was doing where she was talking to the camera on an isolation shot of just her head and shoulders and a clump of her hair fell across her face and got caught in the corner of her mouth. Instead of taking the moment to deviate from script and to brush it aside, she kept talking as the clump of hair went further and further in to her mouth. She was basically eating her hair on camera. It was really, really strange.

    What it comes down to is that she is clearly uncomfortable on TV, and always will be. It's been 10+ years since she joined HNIC!

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    How can the Oilers not get a single goal on 44 shots?
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    Clearly if you want to beat the Oilers then just play your backup goalie, otherwise your Vezina-winning star goalie will get blown out of the water.
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    Man, these guys are wearing out my 10-minute-skip button!
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    If other teams can find these excellent backup goaltenders maybe oilers brass could find one too. Seems to be a lot of excellent European goalies. I hate to say it and I'm sorry but Brossoit is not an NHL goaltender.

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    And in Mini on Saturday Dubbie is out. Another back up goal tender!
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    It seems as if when the Oilers play back ups they figure a ton of muff shots will be good enough. There wasn't one properly executed cross ice play by the Oilers today that resulted in a serious chance. Preds were able to make those plays several times.

    The Shots don't tell the story. The Oilers had few serious scoring chances in this one.

    When we play better goalies it seems like we are more focused in execution and producing better scoring chances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    What's with Kassian picking a fight with 2 to go up 7-2?

    You just don't do it. That's Kassian-Eberle bush league territory. Zero class.
    You have entirely the wrong take on what occurred there. Dubi and Foligno had been running Oilers into the boards wth the game over. Foligno had refused a fight with Kass twice, and with Luc, earlier in the game. Yet Foligno viciously charges Draisaitl into the boards in what was a pure punk move, and then fights Khaira, after declining previous bouts. Again punk move. This immediately preceded the Dubi situation where Kass equalizes and wherein Dubi is seen dropping the gloves. Dubi dropped the gloves, wanted to go (*****) and Kass dropped him with first punch. Got all of him with an uppercut before the broadcast even switched cameras.

    That is not bush on Kassian at all. Even some Jackets fans are doubting Foligno for not manning up in this contest. Any Oilers fan I've seen is saying Foligno is at fault for what went down.

    This is classic retribution for punks that got running around in a game that was over. That was all on Foligno and Dubi. Kass just responding in kind.
    I watched the replay. You're right. I agree.

    I saw it wrong. But even Jim Matheson found it "problematic".

    It's plain dumb with 90 seconds left and the score meaningless. You don't send a message with 90 seconds left. A little gutless, frankly. The only message sent is it's open season. Not a hockey play, and no effect on who wins. Nothing good can come of it.

    Play out 90 seconds with your pluggers, take the two points you desperately need, and get on the plane home, feeling good, no drama, nobody gets hurt.

    7-2 at home the other team is just trying to salvage what's left of their dignity. If the Oilers put out McDavid and Draisaitl with 90 seconds left in a 7-2 game in Columbus they will get run, for sure. It would work like that for any team. I have less sympathy for Torts, because I've seen him run up the score late in the game on a "stats night".

    It could just as easily gone the other way, even by fluke, Kassian could have broken a knuckle on Dubi's helmet, fell and pulled a muscle, or maybe someone else gets involved. As it was, it was Dubinsky, who they were worried lost an eye.

    It's not "retribution", it's stupid.

    Dubinsky is in my bottom 10 as players go (along with guys like Tom Wilson for the Caps, Luke Witkowski with Detroit, Mark Stone, ...). Good player, but a cheap shot artist who turtles. Especially hated in Pittsburgh. The hooking and slashing calls are catching him off guard, because that's his game. Foligno's a bit of a goof too. Columbus are kind of a dirty team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    It seems as if when the Oilers play back ups they figure a ton of muff shots will be good enough. There wasn't one properly executed cross ice play by the Oilers today that resulted in a serious chance. Preds were able to make those plays several times.

    The Shots don't tell the story. The Oilers had few serious scoring chances in this one.

    When we play better goalies it seems like we are more focused in execution and producing better scoring chances.
    I think the Oilers ran into a super hot goalie in Toronto, and one tonight who played a nearly perfect game, positionally, facing the shooter, seeing the puck, and cutting down the angle. Everything was hitting him. Sometimes that's because a team isn't going to the net and creating enough traffic in front of the goalie.

    Easier said than done with Nashville.

    Even without Ellis, the Nashville D are pretty good at keeping things to the outside, and keeping players out of the crease area. Maybe the best D in the league. They've always had great checking centres. Turris looks like a real score. They have a real aggressive penalty kill that gives players no time to make a real play.

    The Oilers needed to score in the first. When they didn't, after pouring it on, and the other team got (I think) 4 goals on the first 14 shots, I don't even know what to say.

    How many times have I said they deserved a better fate? Way too many.

    I'm not blaming anything on Brossoit. I really like him. Expecting him to outplay Talbot, which is what's needed, isn't reasonable. I think he'll be great some day, just like I thought Dubnyk would be great someday. Just not now. Not enough experience, on a really young team. Too much pressure.

    The time to go looking for a goalie was last week. Hey Chiarelli - a little help, alright? Don't sit this year out. Use some of that cap space. You don't get to save it for next year.
    So much for my ten wins in a row theory
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    I do wonder why there aren't more women in the expert analysis end of things, like the expert panels, and hot stove panels? All of the hockey writers I'm familiar with are men. All of the broadcasters. All of the panel guests. All of the bloggers. All of them.

    A woman might sneak in here and there as a host.

    Don't tell me there isn't a woman out there better than, say, Mike "They're trying to take concussions out of the game" Milbury.

    Feel free to sit this one out, Top_Dawg
    Leah Hextall was excellent as a host for the game day hockey panels and sometimes on Hockey Central at Noon. She could hold her own against Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos. You could tell she has some spark and chutzpah.

    But for some reason SportsNet canned her 2 years ago.

    She is definitely better than George Strombo.
    No kidding re: Strombo

    Hextall is very good. She knows her stuff.
    Coincidentally The Athletic ran a Q&A with Campbell-Pascal and Hextall the day after our posts. Including discussing gender bias in broadcasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    It seems as if when the Oilers play back ups they figure a ton of muff shots will be good enough. There wasn't one properly executed cross ice play by the Oilers today that resulted in a serious chance. Preds were able to make those plays several times.

    The Shots don't tell the story. The Oilers had few serious scoring chances in this one.

    When we play better goalies it seems like we are more focused in execution and producing better scoring chances.
    Totally agree with this. I was at the game. Nobody in front screening. Oh they were standing around alot. They all think they are adept at tipping or deflecting. Put your fat *** in the goalie's grill and stay there. That goaltender saw everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    So much for my ten wins in a row theory
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    Oh that will happen....in March.
    If the Oilers can win 5 in a row they are right back in a playoff race. So close yet so far.
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    So much for my ten wins in a row theory
    Oh that will happen....in March.
    If the Oilers can win 5 in a row they are right back in a playoff race. So close yet so far.
    It's so easy to be negative right now. Oiler PTSD is real, and there have been lots of triggers this year.

    But I'm going out on a limb and saying I see a lot of good signs right now.

    I'm optimistic, notwithstanding the standings.

    Maybe not 10 in a row optimistic, but Sekera (the #1 D) is coming back, and if Talbot plays like Talbot I see a pretty good team that's had some bad luck recently, and could make a run.

    They were the better team in Toronto. They were arguably the much better team last night, until the score made it a game of catchup against the best D in the league. Score first, and they should have, and it's an entirely different game.

    They could easily have a 4 game win streak right now, and deserve it.

    I'd like to see RNH quarterbacking the 1st PP unit, with Puljujarvi on it, setting up as the shooter on his off wing in the O-zone.

    Having McDavid is almost like starting every game a goal up. Even though scoring has been way up, it usually gets tighter as the season wears on. This team needs to win the 2-1 games, or at least get to OT, and to do that they need to concentrate on keeping the puck out of their net.
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    So much for my ten wins in a row theory
    Oh that will happen....in March.
    If the Oilers can win 5 in a row they are right back in a playoff race. So close yet so far.
    It's so easy to be negative right now. Oiler PTSD is real, and there have been lots of triggers this year.

    But I'm going out on a limb and saying I see a lot of good signs right now.

    I'm optimistic, notwithstanding the standings.

    Maybe not 10 in a row optimistic, but Sekera (the #1 D) is coming back, and if Talbot plays like Talbot I see a pretty good team that's had some bad luck recently, and could make a run.

    They were the better team in Toronto. They were arguably the much better team last night, until the score made it a game of catchup against the best D in the league. Score first, and they should have, and it's an entirely different game.

    They could easily have a 4 game win streak right now, and deserve it.

    I'd like to see RNH quarterbacking the 1st PP unit, with Puljujarvi on it, setting up as the shooter on his off wing in the O-zone.

    Having McDavid is almost like starting every game a goal up. Even though scoring has been way up, it usually gets tighter as the season wears on. This team needs to win the 2-1 games, or at least get to OT, and to do that they need to concentrate on keeping the puck out of their net.
    The Oilers don't have the lineup or the psyche of a team that would go on a ten game run or even a 5 game run. After two good performances most of the time they will play bad (this was the one exception all season just recently)

    For good teams, like STL, Tampa, NSH, LA those clubs will win several games before their performance starts to sink. For instance during the Kings latest 8 game winning streak the Kings played 5-6 really solid games in a row winning them all. They then got luck to win the 7th and 8th and played less well. By the time NJD beat the Kings it was predictably as the Kings game had fallen off. The Oilers reach that point 2 games in. Bad habits, lazy habits creep in. Cutting corners, or jumping the play instead of having numbers back. The focus and what results in winning quickly erodes with this club. its like they are in constant need of lessons.
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    Cam Talbot played a solid road game this afternoon.
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    A lot less anxiety with Talbot in net. Brossoit was stressing me out.

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    Davidson has certainly been a better match with Auvitu than Gryba has been. Will be interesting how things play out when Sekera and Larsson are both back.

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    I do wonder why there aren't more women in the expert analysis end of things, like the expert panels, and hot stove panels? All of the hockey writers I'm familiar with are men. All of the broadcasters. All of the panel guests. All of the bloggers. All of them.

    A woman might sneak in here and there as a host.

    Don't tell me there isn't a woman out there better than, say, Mike "They're trying to take concussions out of the game" Milbury.

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    Leah Hextall was excellent as a host for the game day hockey panels and sometimes on Hockey Central at Noon. She could hold her own against Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos. You could tell she has some spark and chutzpah.

    But for some reason SportsNet canned her 2 years ago.

    She is definitely better than George Strombo.
    No kidding re: Strombo

    Hextall is very good. She knows her stuff.
    Coincidentally The Athletic ran a Q&A with Campbell-Pascal and Hextall the day after our posts. Including discussing gender bias in broadcasting.

    Must have been something in the air
    Thanks for the heads up. I will definitely check it out.

    It seems like eons ago when Harold Ballard called Barbara Frum a BROAD-caster when she did a post game interview in the Maple Leafs dressing room.

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    Great game. Talbot looked a bit rusty. Nice to see Larson back. Uh-oh, watch out for Thursday......

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    I think the Oilers' only chance to salvage this year is to not only have a winning record from here on out, but to also dominate all the teams in the Pacific division for the rest of the season (this part is definitely doable).

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    ^it was awesome, its maybe worth paying him a bit more just for that...

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    Maroon is such a card. Love him. If the muppet show had a hockey player it would be styled after Maroon. He's an adult that hasn't forgotten how to be a playful kid. To do something like that in pro sports, well, few people do.

    Burns didn't know how to respond. he wants to hate the Oilers, but he's got this guy on him stroking his beard all nice and stuff...

    Somebody said Maroon was just looking for 2 pts in there..
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    Did you catch the interview with Maroon after the game when he talked about stroking the beard? It was pretty funny.
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    what a win tonight against Blues. Hit 5 posts, were down twice in the third, and still won!

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    I like the Kassian comic relief broken stick moment. RNH was on fire.
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    Tonight we witnessed the Oilers team playing similarly like the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs.

    Even though the Oilers were down by a goal twice against St. Louis in the game, they remained composed. There was no fire drill panic play. Then in the last half of the 3rd period the Oilers poured it on.

    So many positives to mention after our first 3 game winning steak of the season! I will start by giving huge credit to Adam Larsson and Talbot for their solid duty and calming influence.

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    giving huge credit to Adam Larsson and Talbot for their solid duty and calming influence.
    This. I've been critical of Talbot since he came to Edmonton but there is no denying when he keeps it together it has an impact on this team.
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    They'll likely blow out the Habs next. You heard it here first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    Tonight we witnessed the Oilers team playing similarly like the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs.

    Even though the Oilers were down by a goal twice against St. Louis in the game, they remained composed. There was no fire drill panic play. Then in the last half of the 3rd period the Oilers poured it on.

    So many positives to mention after our first 3 game winning steak of the season! I will start by giving huge credit to Adam Larsson and Talbot for their solid duty and calming influence.
    This is all true but the blues looked like a fire drill in the 3rd. Also, with a one goal lead late in a 3rd period, on the road, how do you give Drai and McD a two on one on their first EV shift together where the Oilers loaded up. My lord, Drai and McD are a cheat code for a goal on a 2 on 1 break. Its like; "here Oilers, heres a goal, happy festivus"

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobleea View Post
    They'll likely blow out the Habs next. You heard it here first.
    Over the last number of years, even prior to McDavid, the Oilers have typically faired well against the Habs, so its entirely possible.

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    It sounded like Talbot saved the other guys from their shabby play for the first 2 periods, and then they woke up in the 3rd and won, barely. It was good to see them in their no-quit form as the 3rd wound down but I still wouldn't bet money on them. One period of "playoff Oilers from last year" isn't that convincing yet.
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    The Habs also play tonight in Calgary, so we're getting them at the end of a back-to-back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    Tonight we witnessed the Oilers team playing similarly like the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs.

    Even though the Oilers were down by a goal twice against St. Louis in the game, they remained composed. There was no fire drill panic play. Then in the last half of the 3rd period the Oilers poured it on.

    So many positives to mention after our first 3 game winning steak of the season! I will start by giving huge credit to Adam Larsson and Talbot for their solid duty and calming influence.
    This is all true but the blues looked like a fire drill in the 3rd. Also, with a one goal lead late in a 3rd period, on the road, how do you give Drai and McD a two on one on their first EV shift together where the Oilers loaded up. My lord, Drai and McD are a cheat code for a goal on a 2 on 1 break. Its like; "here Oilers, heres a goal, happy festivus"

    Blues are such chokers.
    Admit it. When the Blues went ahead 2-1, every diehard Oilers fan were crapping bricks. It's the St. Louis Blues..they ALWAYS beat Edmonton.

    But the Oilers stuck to their game plan by rotating the 4 forward lines until they wore the Blues down.

    Caggiula's huge hit on the St. Louie player is an example the Oilers got their swagger back. Khaira's line was on the ice for the last minute of play. He ragged the puck and forechecked relentlessly that the Blues could not pull the goalie.

    The Oilers turned the table and forced the Blues to play fire wagon hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    It sounded like Talbot saved the other guys from their shabby play for the first 2 periods, and then they woke up in the 3rd and won, barely. It was good to see them in their no-quit form as the 3rd wound down but I still wouldn't bet money on them. One period of "playoff Oilers from last year" isn't that convincing yet.
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    Tonight we witnessed the Oilers team playing similarly like the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs.

    Even though the Oilers were down by a goal twice against St. Louis in the game, they remained composed. There was no fire drill panic play. Then in the last half of the 3rd period the Oilers poured it on.

    So many positives to mention after our first 3 game winning steak of the season! I will start by giving huge credit to Adam Larsson and Talbot for their solid duty and calming influence.
    This is all true but the blues looked like a fire drill in the 3rd. Also, with a one goal lead late in a 3rd period, on the road, how do you give Drai and McD a two on one on their first EV shift together where the Oilers loaded up. My lord, Drai and McD are a cheat code for a goal on a 2 on 1 break. Its like; "here Oilers, heres a goal, happy festivus"

    Blues are such chokers.
    Admit it. When the Blues went ahead 2-1, every diehard Oilers fan were crapping bricks. It's the St. Louis Blues..they ALWAYS beat Edmonton.

    But the Oilers stuck to their game plan by rotating the 4 forward lines until they wore the Blues down.

    Caggiula's huge hit on the St. Louie player is an example the Oilers got their swagger back. Khaira's line was on the ice for the last minute of play. He ragged the puck and forechecked relentlessly that the Blues could not pull the goalie.

    The Oilers turned the table and forced the Blues to play fire wagon hockey.
    As soon as we scored a goal in this game I figured we would win. Either the Blues win 1-0 or the Oilers win was my opinion. Few teams can play track meet with us, I disagree that the Oilers forced this either. All Blues had to do was drop numbers back, play top pairs and they should be able to nurse a 1 goal lead the remaining 4 minutes. That they got caught being too aggressive and allowing a 2 on 1 involving our two best players is laughable, and its on them. Drai and McD laughably scored on their first 5 on 5 shift together to tie the game. The Blues walked right into it and got knocked out. By the time Nuge was feeding Cagg in front of the net they were destroyed, again. The Blues are only .500 in their last 12 games. The Oilers are actually the hotter team going into the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    The Habs also play tonight in Calgary, so we're getting them at the end of a back-to-back.
    Habs just barely beat the Godless Flames after nearly blowing a 3-0 lead.
    I wonder if they'll try their luck and play their backup goalie tomorrow?
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    Tonight we witnessed the Oilers team playing similarly like the 2nd half of last season and the playoffs.

    Even though the Oilers were down by a goal twice against St. Louis in the game, they remained composed. There was no fire drill panic play. Then in the last half of the 3rd period the Oilers poured it on.

    So many positives to mention after our first 3 game winning steak of the season! I will start by giving huge credit to Adam Larsson and Talbot for their solid duty and calming influence.
    This is all true but the blues looked like a fire drill in the 3rd. Also, with a one goal lead late in a 3rd period, on the road, how do you give Drai and McD a two on one on their first EV shift together where the Oilers loaded up. My lord, Drai and McD are a cheat code for a goal on a 2 on 1 break. Its like; "here Oilers, heres a goal, happy festivus"

    Blues are such chokers.
    Admit it. When the Blues went ahead 2-1, every diehard Oilers fan were crapping bricks. It's the St. Louis Blues..they ALWAYS beat Edmonton.

    But the Oilers stuck to their game plan by rotating the 4 forward lines until they wore the Blues down.

    Caggiula's huge hit on the St. Louie player is an example the Oilers got their swagger back. Khaira's line was on the ice for the last minute of play. He ragged the puck and forechecked relentlessly that the Blues could not pull the goalie.

    The Oilers turned the table and forced the Blues to play fire wagon hockey.
    As soon as we scored a goal in this game I figured we would win. Either the Blues win 1-0 or the Oilers win was my opinion. Few teams can play track meet with us, I disagree that the Oilers forced this either. All Blues had to do was drop numbers back, play top pairs and they should be able to nurse a 1 goal lead the remaining 4 minutes. That they got caught being too aggressive and allowing a 2 on 1 involving our two best players is laughable, and its on them. Drai and McD laughably scored on their first 5 on 5 shift together to tie the game. The Blues walked right into it and got knocked out. By the time Nuge was feeding Cagg in front of the net they were destroyed, again. The Blues are only .500 in their last 12 games. The Oilers are actually the hotter team going into the game.
    Sure the Oilers are the hotter team going into last night. It helps too that the Blues played the previous night. I agree the Blues looked lost. But I wouldn't say the Blues played too aggressive with the lead. If that was the case, why was Tarasenko invisible? Could it be its because the Oilers kept his line in check? In other words, St. Louis was out-coached by Edmonton.

    How many times this season did we see the Oilers play awesome one night then crap the bed the next game?

    As a long suffering fan, when I see the Oilers hit 5 goalposts I expect a bad outcome. Stupid Maple Leafs game.

    You are like me. You don't want to get your hopes too high with this team. But after last night's game, it looks very promising in the new year.

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    The Habs also play tonight in Calgary, so we're getting them at the end of a back-to-back.
    Habs just barely beat the Godless Flames after nearly blowing a 3-0 lead.
    I wonder if they'll try their luck and play their backup goalie tomorrow?
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    That's 4 W's in a row
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    From watching the highlights, it appears the score could have been a lot higher for the Oilers. Niemi made some great saves for the Habs tonight.
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    https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/players/playerpage/2178633/connor-mcdavid
    McDavid was up high and took the force of a near-100 mph slapper off his foot. It looked bad, but X-rays came back negative, reports Jason Gregor of TSN1260. He had already scored a goal and assisted on another prior to the injury.......Thank God
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    Talbot is looking amazing. Best goalie in the NHL in the last 4 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
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    McDavid was up high and took the force of a near-100 mph slapper off his foot. It looked bad, but X-rays came back negative, reports Jason Gregor of TSN1260. He had already scored a goal and assisted on another prior to the injury.......Thank God
    Lets hope he's ok for Wednesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
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    McDavid was up high and took the force of a near-100 mph slapper off his foot. It looked bad, but X-rays came back negative, reports Jason Gregor of TSN1260. He had already scored a goal and assisted on another prior to the injury.......Thank God
    Lets hope he's ok for Wednesday.
    He will be. Often times they hurt like hell when it happens, but after you give it 15 minutes or so, most of the pain dissapates. I'm willing to bet that if it was earlier in the game, and they confirmed it wasn't broken, he would have come back to play.

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    Its still good news, he's ok. I like how commentary said something like, "The Oilers are setting themselves up, for setting themselves up for the playoffs." At this stage, if the momentum keeps going (and that momentum can slow down once in a while to take a breath) and McDavid stays healthy, he'll get the team into the playoffs. Two more wins and we're right back in it.
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    We'll see how they do after the Christmas break. Historically they don't play well after more than a day off, even with momentum heading into the break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    Darn those Hawks. At least we got one point.

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    The Nucks destroyed this same Hawks club just last night. The Hawks actually playing a back to back, playing a goalie that is 32 and in his first NHL game, and somehow come away with the W.

    This is when a tie seems like a loss. The Hawks lineup is cap decimated. That team is struggling immensely, yet they win here..
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    Hold on there, but Chicago had a bit of help by the officiating. I mean holding? Really? Look at the scoreboard. Sure enough the Sportsnet camera shows the official looking up at the scoreboard replay before the faceoff. Nobody wants to admit it but Chicago had help winning that game. But a point is better then nothing.
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    They missed more than a few on the Oilers, but good game.
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    Got to give it to the Hawks though. That was s team that wasn't going to be denied last night. They outplayed the Oilers. They were the better team on the ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Got to give it to the Hawks though. That was s team that wasn't going to be denied last night. They outplayed the Oilers. They were the better team on the ice.
    Missed the game. I like the fact the Oilers didn't quit and fought for the extra point. That says something about the team. I feel pretty good about the way they're playing right now

    One reason Anaheim are so hard to gain ground on is that they keep games tight. Same number of wins as the Oilers, but 8 "loser points" where this was just the Oilers 3rd.

    Getting into the dog days of the season now. Lots of teams dealing with major injuries, lots of guys playing with minor ones. The travel starts to really wear on players I think. The Oilers had a mini-run, and they need to go on another not so mini-run.

    Like McLellan says, these games are the playoffs.

    If the Oilers can manage some playoff level intensity I think they could catch some teams sleeping, especially on the 2nd game of a back to back. Those runs can really take a lot of energy, though. But all they need is a good two weeks and they're right there in the fight.

    The Oilers need great goaltending from Talbot and they need to tighten up their game. Way better than earlier this season, but still a ways to go to match teams like LA. I watched San Jose beat LA 2-0 last week and it was like a playoff game. Best game all season so far.

    Hope everyone can stay healthy.

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    ^The Hawks was the easy game. Not even a playoff club at this point. All the upcoming clubs we face are in the next couple weeks are better. Even if we manage .500 in those games it just further buries us.
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    Is anyone still watching this Jets/Oilers 4-0 route?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Is anyone still watching this Jets/Oilers 4-0 route?
    I'm not even sure the people there are watching.

    Yesterday's Habs game against Florida was the season's most boring game. But this one's not over.

    5-0. It's over.

    You won't catch teams napping - if you're napping.

    No excuses.

    The most disappointing effort all season.
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    Still watching. Happy New Year everybody.

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    Jimbo: I watched the whole thing. "Thing" is what it was, just a thing.

    Effort, that wasn't even an effort. Sure its a Sunday afternoon/evening game, but yeesh.

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    Well, that was an utter waste of money. By the middle of the 3rd period I was hoping for a 8-0 score because these guys need to be totally humiliated. What happened to the team that was coming on so strong prior to the Christmas break?
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    I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking a good drubbing and someone would be more likely to take some action.

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    I was thinking the season was done a month ago. I don't think differently now. Nothing has been surprising. This lineup that Chia has left us with won't hunt. This is the worst winger depth of any team in the league. Like I've been saying all along we've dressed 10-12 players that shouldn't even be in the NHL.

    The Jets 4th line could match up against any of our lines and win.

    This is not a proper team.

    Looks like Hendricks is overjoyed as well to be able to stick it to McLellan and Chia. The guy is heart and soul and the club ditched him in the playoffs last year in what was a real punk move towards a veteran guy. Now he's rejuvenated in Winnipeg and sets up the winning goal 3mins into the game. The dagger in the game already when the Oilers players had only played one shift.

    The team went on a minor roll, started to feel a bit good about themselves. But theres nothing about this lineup that suggests they can sustain that.
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    ^the team is only a few games away from what was a good winning streak. It was a suck performance but all teams have them, and all losses other than a regular time draw cost the same regardless of score. Time to dig deep and rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    ^the team is only a few games away from what was a good winning streak. It was a suck performance but all teams have them, and all losses other than a regular time draw cost the same regardless of score. Time to dig deep and rebound.
    That time was in November. This season is done. Have you looked at the upcoming schedule as well?

    This team got to Bettman .500 and figured they'd accomplished something. Now for all of their roll these last 5 weeks we're still two W's under bettman .500 and along way from a potential playoff position.

    ps No competing team in the league has had as many suck performances as the Oilers have this year. They've been bombed 10 times at home alone this season. I'm not sure there is a team in the league that has been worse at home. Good thing we built that shiny new arena to watch this garbage. how many times do games like this need to occur where everybody feels ripped off before people just start losing interest in paying at all?

    This from a team that hasn't won a NYE game since 1985 and is 2-13-2 in NYE games alltime. Although that not counting the couple times the same franchise has lost NYE contests to Russian teams in exhibition games.

    Not sure what it is but Oilers teams, all of them through history, have sucked playing NYE games. Betting against them last night was the surest bet in pro sports.
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    Coaching.

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    ^maybe, there is enough talent.

    If it becomes clear there is no hope, I think Pat Maroon will be traded.

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    Still trying to figure out what was worse to watch the hockey game or fireworks on video.

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    What is so concerning is the lack of urgency and compete in so many home games this year. We have reverted back to the Dallas Eakins era, way too many nights of terrible hockey. There is something not right in that dressing room, I believe they really miss Hendricks.

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    That quarter-million-dollar dressing room seems to be just as effective as the refreshed one in the Coliseum in stupefying the team into not showing up for the beginning of a period. Maybe all the surface finishes are still off-gassing? Maybe it's just too comfy and clubhouse-y?

    The Oilers haven't been showing up to play hard for at least a decade, last year's run being a fluke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    That quarter-million-dollar dressing room seems to be just as effective as the refreshed one in the Coliseum in stupefying the team into not showing up for the beginning of a period. Maybe all the surface finishes are still off-gassing? Maybe it's just too comfy and clubhouse-y?

    The Oilers haven't been showing up to play hard for at least a decade, last year's run being a fluke.
    it's not the dressing room regardless of where the room is... it's the team itself from ownership through management that believes this team - year after year - is the heir to the glory years teams of the 80's simply by donning the sweater (ignoring the constant screwing around with the sweaters and colours year after year) and without having to earn that legacy each and every night.

    when it's handed to them instead of their having to earn it, that legacy has no value. as much as i enjoyed last season's run, i'm afraid it will be the next once in a decade exception that proves the rule. just as the exception that proved the rule last decade was the 2006 team that lucked it's way to the cup finals - a season that took the team a decade to start to recover from because there was a belief they actually deserved to be there even though they didn't have to work to get there and didn't have the talent or the work ethic to get back there. last year's team had the talent but still had to rely on a goaltender's season long streak to get them as far as they did. and they've clearly demonstrated this year that they still don't have a strong enough work ethic from the first period drop of the puck to the end of the game to be considered torchbearers of that 80's legacy. no-one associated with those teams from ownership to management to the players themselves would have put up with how this team continues to play the game.

    i hope they turn it around because i believe there is enough talent in the room but sometimes i think we celebrate the talent too much and the media seems willing too willing to do the same thing as management and fans. unfortunately, out of that trifecta, there's only one group - the fans - who are expected to continue to pay for the privilege of. the more expensive that becomes, the more i wonder how long it will last... how many in attendance last night - once again - looked at their ticket stubs and wondered else they could have done and enjoyed that much more for that much money.
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