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    Gee, another right winger goes on a shooting spree. Better build that wall on the Mexican border. Of course, Donald has said "You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.". I guess that this guy wasn't enough of "a star" to get away with it.

    Man who had been accused of groping opens fire on Tallahassee yoga class, killing two, police say

    A man who has been repeatedly accused of groping women walked into a yoga class and opened fire on Friday evening, according to Tallahassee police — shooting six people and killing two of them despite an attempt to fight him off.

    Police said the shooting suspect, Scott Paul Beierle, 40, killed himself minutes before they arrived at the Hot Yoga studio, which sits above a row of restaurants at a northern Tallahassee shopping center.

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    Beierle had been arrested twice in the past six years by the university’s police, according to criminal records. The first time was in 2012, when two women accused him of grabbing their buttocks on campus, the Democrat reported. He was detained again two years later for trespassing in a dining hall.

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    Charges were dismissed for both of Beierle’s university arrests, but he was arrested again by Tallahassee police in 2016 and agreed to a plea deal for misdemeanor battery. He had asked a sunbather at his apartment if he could put lotion on her, the Democrat reported, and groped her when she refused.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.2853c27116cc

    "Beierle writes that since 2013, he has been a “Job Seeker.” In 1997, Beierle says he graduated from the State University of New York at Binghamton with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science and Government. From there, Beierle graduated from Florida State University with a Master’s in Public Administration and Planning as part of the class of 2013. Beierle was a member of two groups on his Facebook page, FSU College Republicans and We Are Conservatives.

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    In 2014, Beierle uploaded a series of videos in which he proclaimed himself to be a misogynist. Beierle also ranted about immigrants, black people, women he went to high school with as well as mixed race couples. Beierle went by the moniker Scott Carnifex on his YouTube channel. Beierle’s YouTube channel was first identified in a report from Buzzfeed.

    In other videos, Beierly rants about the “collectively treachery” of the girls in his high school. Beierly says at one point, “There are whores in – not only every city, not only every town, but every village.” He argued that women who were in mixed-race relationships had betrayed “their blood.” In another video, “The Rebirth of Misogynism,” Beierly lists the names of women he knows, including females he knew in the Army, with whom he held a grudge against.

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/scott-beierle/

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    Where do you get the idea that this shooting was politically-motivated?

    He was arrested multiple times for stalking and sexual assault. My question is why was an animal like him not in prison?

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    Another mass shooting that puts an end to the argument that 'the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun' and 'more guns save lives' and 'need more security at soft targets'.

    Only have to look at the policemen shot over the past year and even heavily armed SWAT members, that a well planned and heavily armed gunman is hard to stop with a security guard or lightly armed police officer.

    The security guard was one of the first shot, 6 off duty officers were inside the bar and the first police officer responding was shot as he entered.


    The gunman was armed with a single Glock 21 45 cal. and a 26 round extended magazine. Sadly these extended magazines are 'cheaper than dirt' ($20)... https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/parts-and-accessories/magazines/glock/21.do

    Shooting at California bar leaves 13 dead including gunman
    Suspected gunman, sheriff's deputy among dead in Thousand Oaks northwest of L.A.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/shooti...-say-1.4896719
    Thirteen people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a crowded country-and-western bar Wednesday night in Southern California, sending hundreds fleeing in terror, including some who used barstools to break windows and escape.


    Eleven people inside the bar, the gunman and a sheriff's sergeant who was the first officer inside the door all died, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said.


    Dean said the first reports of shots fired came around 11:20 p.m. PT at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, about 65 kilometres northwest of Los Angeles. Police said hundreds were inside at the time.

    Dean said sheriff's Sgt. Ron Helus responded to the scene and was shot multiple times as he entered the building. Helus, a 29-year veteran of the force who was to retire soon, died in hospital early Thursday, the sheriff said.
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    I didn’t know you pronounced Ian ‘eye-an’. That’s all I’ve been hearing from reporters is eye-an Long. I would say ee-an. Is this a Canadian-American difference IanO? Or just dumb reporters. Eg. Ian Tyson, Ian Hanimansing. Etc.
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    Another white man with a gun. But let's all be afraid of poor people walking north to escape violence and poverty.

    Photos emerge of Ian David Long — the ex-Marine accused of killing 12 in Thousand Oaks mass shooting





    A 28-year-old former Marine opened fire in a California country music bar packed with college students, killing 12 people including a police officer as dozens of terrified youngsters stampeded towards the door, authorities said Thursday.

    The gunman — who apparently killed himself — stepped into the Borderline Bar and Grill around 11:20 pm Wednesday and coolly began shooting, witnesses said, unleashing pandemonium as terrified patrons scrambled to escape.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/pho...mass-shooting/

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    PTSD. Part of the American war machine. Neglected veterans, a problem here too. Yesterday in the news they announced an accounting error of 150 million dollars the Canadian government did not give to veterans. Pay them their veterans rightful dues and have more offices and mental health help. If you are going to have war and put your citizens into it see it through to the end please.
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    May be more than he killed in battle, who knows. It’s awful. Should have had free councilling

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    Who knows if he killed anyone in battle? He may have been a cook or a logistics officer. We don't know at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    May be more than he killed in battle, who knows. It’s awful. Should have had free councilling
    Yeah, the US is notorious for just abandoning all the troops and vets who suffer from shell shock (or PTSD, if you want to feel "polite" with the language). Canada does not do much better.



    In semi-related gun control news, it looks like the Canadians calling for a "gun ban" in wake of Toronto's rising gun crime doesn't address the biggest root of the problem - illegal gun smuggling (these ones smuggled into Canada from the USA): https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...-gas-tank.html

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    People shot at bars has what to do with School shooting?

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    As per people at the boarder, that is America's right . They have massive debts that is about to collapse their own country. Have you been to California within the last 5 years? I didn't realize America is a third world nation. If you're adamant withe the get me out of poverty, the best thing for you to do is sponsor someone into our country. If you can't back up your stupid sarcasm, it is best to not open it. I rather you walk than talk. California is in a crisis at this moment with homelessness never seen before like this.
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    On track to meet or exceed 2017

    Mass shootings in U.S.: When, where they have occurred in 2018

    The number of mass shootings around the country in 2018 has risen above 300 so far.


    According to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a total of 307 mass shooting incidents have occurred as of October 27.


    Wednesday night's shooting, which left 13 people dead at a bar in Thousand Oaks, California, marked the 307th mass shooting incident so far this year.

    https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/n...curred-in-2018
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States

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    Calculating rates for this don’t properly describe the horror of it all but at 307 in a year where yesterday would have been day 312, then it’s at a near daily rate.

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    The current administration might be fanning the flames of gun violence but they are not new flames.

    To wit: "In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former US Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 at the University of Texas while shooting from a tower. Police o
    fficers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day." I bring this one up as an example because it's one of the first ones I personally remember - it took place in 1966, more than a half century ago.

    For added perspective on the current outrage (not undeserved) over violence and gerrymandering and voter's lists etc., the above shooting was 15 years before Michael Donald was lynched by the KKK in 1981, an event I also remember.

    So, on one hand it's not how much things are deteriorating as it is how little progress has been made. On the other hand, the State of Georgia came close to electing a black woman as Governor two days ago so there is always hope...

    It won't lead to anything without hard work but I don't believe it's unfounded hope.
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    I thought that Trump promised that all the crime would stop when he became President

    When President Trump was inaugurated, he made the American people a promise: “This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.”
    "I will say that, um, we are going to have peace, in this country, we are going to stop crime, in this country, we are going to do everything within our power to stop long-simmering racism, and every other thing that's going on, because a lot of bad things have been taking place over a long period of time. "


    Trump, we are waiting...

    ...people are dying. SAD
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    ^

    yes, it is sad but it's been sad through 44 presidents and counting...

    on the other hand, imagine what things might have looked like if the donald had kept that one promise while enshrining instead of trying to gut Obamacare...
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    Amazing that 12 people died yesterday and Trump says



    Donald J. [email protected] I have been fully briefed on the terrible shooting in California. Law Enforcement and First Responders, together with the FBI, are on scene. 13 people, at this time, have been reported dead. Likewise, the shooter is dead, along with the first police officer to enter the bar....
    ....Great bravery shown by police. California Highway Patrol was on scene within 3 minutes, with first officer to enter shot numerous times. That Sheriff’s Sergeant died in the hospital. God bless all of the victims and families of the victims. Thank you to Law Enforcement.
    All Tweets, ZERO Action

    Meanwhile he orders 15,000 military troops to guard an already guarded border against refugees that are fleeing violence and calls these peaceful an 'invasion'.

    He ignores the fact that the enemy is within the US borders. Mentally unstable people with high powered weapons of mass destruction. 307 mass shootings in 311 days

    I guess that it is no longer safe to go to;

    a bar
    a synagogue
    a high school
    a kindergarten
    a theater
    a army base
    a baseball field
    a collage
    a city council
    a newsroom
    a mall
    an office
    a yoga class
    a church
    a health center
    a restaurant
    a post office
    a waffle house
    a McDonalds
    a coffee shop
    a concert
    a university
    a night club
    a parking lot
    a sauna
    a Reservation
    a tavern
    a labor office
    a train car
    a Chuck E. Cheese's
    a trading firm
    a beer distributor
    a immigration office
    a VA center
    a pancake house


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    ...and you have the answers, right? Could have been Sherwood Park yesterday. It’s becoming a worldwide thing you know, been increasing for decades. Where is the world headed?

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    Did he have an AR-15 and a large capacity magazine? Did he have multiple guns and a vest? Did he shoot anyone?

    No gun in Sherwood Park. No mass casualties. Thanks for proving my point and the obvious one millions of people agree upon.

    The mass shooting per capita rate in the US is nearly 10 times that in Canada. It parallels the proportions of guns per capita. Have you noticed that trend? I think you haven't.

    The shooter taunted that nothing would change after his attack.

    "I hope people call me insane... (laughing emojis).. wouldn't that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I'm insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is 'hopes and prayers'.. or 'keep you in my thoughts'... every time... and wonder why these keep happening..."


    Apathy kills people.
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    Well at least you can be thankful for one thing PRT. They were country music fans line dancing and such. You know, likely mostly present and future republican voters. Sixty or seventy present at this dance were also survivors of the Vegas country music concert. Probably mostly republicans there too. What a relief huh?
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    No, no, no. You've got it all wrong. The only thing that will keep people safe is if EVERYONE has a gun. Then, when someone starts shooting, everyone can respond as one and simply shoot the shooter and that way nobody will get hurt.

    Haven't you been paying attention to Trump, the GOP and the NRA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Well at least you can be thankful for one thing PRT. They were country music fans line dancing and such. You know, likely mostly present and future republican voters. Sixty or seventy present at this dance were also survivors of the Vegas country music concert. Probably mostly republicans there too. What a relief huh?
    Do you even think before posting such hurtful and mean spirited posts? Have you not sympathy for the victims of hate? Do you think your post is appropriate on this forum? Do you think anyone here wishes any harm to anyone regardless of political leanings? Do you think it is morally or ethical correct of you to try to score points by making such outrageous statements in light of the fact that the victims of hate haven't even been buried yet? Do you think to ask yourself, if you weren't hiding behind an anonymous name, would you state this in public, in a letter to the EJ Editor or to anyone on this forum if you met them face to face? Do you think at all?

    In another thread, Hello Lady inferred that I could be a potential bomber. Now you suggest that I take pleasure in the deaths of people who were gunned down by a mentally deranged gunman.

    I think that your personal attack is totally inappropriate on this forum or anywhere else in society and I call you out to apologize to this entire forum for your hate filled message that you tried to hide as a sarcastic post.

    You have done much to debase many forum discussions and debates but I rebuke you for your deliberate attempt to provoke a reaction.

    Maybe you should think before you post and seek professional help for your lack of empathy and hateful messaging.

    I am reporting both Hello Lady's and your post to the forum Admin.
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    They say things like that because that's what they would do if the victims were future Democrats. Look at H.L.'s post where she claimed to oppose the pipe bombs sent to everyone except George Soros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    PTSD. Part of the American war machine. Neglected veterans, a problem here too. Yesterday in the news they announced an accounting error of 150 million dollars the Canadian government did not give to veterans. Pay them their veterans rightful dues and have more offices and mental health help. If you are going to have war and put your citizens into it see it through to the end please.
    This essentially the issue. That its an extremely bad idea to have continued military actions that are suspicious or unfounded in nature and have ex machine gun shooters cut loose on public now being civilan and wondering how it came to be that they went overseas to murder people in situations they don't even comprehend. I mean what could go wrong, or be wrong with people after they have been duped into that.

    We *learned* the dangers with Charles Whitman and we never learned them.

    Stop being a society that worships war and guns and ammo and senseless carnage might cease eventually. These murderers are made, created, by the military machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    People shot at bars has what to do with School shooting?

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    As per people at the boarder, that is America's right . They have massive debts that is about to collapse their own country. Have you been to California within the last 5 years? I didn't realize America is a third world nation. If you're adamant withe the get me out of poverty, the best thing for you to do is sponsor someone into our country. If you can't back up your stupid sarcasm, it is best to not open it. I rather you walk than talk. California is in a crisis at this moment with homelessness never seen before like this.
    Not sure what post you are referring to exactly but thematically a lot of the venues for shootings are very pubic places and seem to occur in schools, bars, entertainment districts, nightclubs, concert venues or congregations or where people are gathered. As such they seem to target avenues of socialization in a society that has lost its way. These are disaffected individuals that have learned/conditioned to hate society and the objects of the society and what they see as representing society. So whether it be a Mcdonalds, a concert, a bar, a school its an attack on what the shooters feel is a depraved world. The hate seems almost invariably to target the sources of socialization that represent, and further a society being the way it is. These are symbolic acts, by near deranged individuals full of contempt for what society has become.

    I'm just posting this to elucidate the mass shooter detached deranged focus.

    But this is only going to get worse as societal anomie gets worse. There is no attachment, there is no meaning. These are individuals that have ceased even having an ego, of having hopes, dreams, goals, beliefs. They are instead empty vessels that couldn't find anything to attach to within the milieu of an increasingly meaningless, soulless world. These are then walking automatons that have lost everything long before the tragic event.

    This was the story of Charles Whitman and has been the story, for the most part, ever since.
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    Now maybe its just me. But I think that it is disturbing that individuals, here, and on social media continue to try to make these events political in nature. Rampant NRA and gun loving has been in the states forever. Through democrat, republican times. Illegitimate wars and escalations have been contested by the USA through democrat and republican administrations .

    The boogeyman isn't political. Its that the USA is a gun loving war engaging nation and always has been. A nation which had its legitimate war fighting height, and hype in WWII, at a rare moment in time where the action of war was legitimate. At that point in time America was heroic, never since.

    The illegitimacy of all subsequent wars and the American war machine, and support of that, by any political stipe or color is what infects the American psyche. There's an increasing notion in the USA of abject confusion. Of questioning right/wrong, which has been going on since Korea or Vietnam.

    So that ex soldiers coming home do not just suffer PTSD, it should be that easy, they suffer profound misgivings about war and atrocity. That they often times feel they can't live with. Ever since Korea and Vietnam soldiers have been coming home with different kinds of questions. Questions about the USA. Often hateful questions. With Marines most exposed to that because they were the most hyped. Americas version of SS stormtroopers. (I'm not equating, only citing that the most imbued have the most latent internal conflict) Its not accidental that these mass shooters are so often ex marines. They are the ones indoctrinated the most. So that they suffer the most dissociation later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    People shot at bars has what to do with School shooting?
    ^^^^
    As per people at the boarder, that is America's right . They have massive debts that is about to collapse their own country. Have you been to California within the last 5 years? I didn't realize America is a third world nation. If you're adamant withe the get me out of poverty, the best thing for you to do is sponsor someone into our country. If you can't back up your stupid sarcasm, it is best to not open it. I rather you walk than talk. California is in a crisis at this moment with homelessness never seen before like this.
    This thread has evolved to cover the repetition of mass shooting in the US and the endless debate that is blocked by the NRA, the GOP and now Trump

    Yes I have been to California and other American cities

    Is closing the border a solution to fix all of America's problems? Nope, that is just a xenophobic means of taking the focus off the real systemic problems in the US and blaming people in another country for the US situation.

    Why not look at the real problems that created the homelessness and poverty in the US.

    Lack of: education, social support, mental health care, access to affordable healthcare, poor veterans support, huge income disparity, deep seated racism that reduces employment opportunities, and so on. The list is long and the differences between Canadian 'socialism' and American 'capitalist' ideals are demonstrable. That is not to say that Canadians do not have unemployment, poverty, racism, mental health issues and other ills, the overall inequalities are less and Canadians can be proud of the social security safety nets that took generations to build and create a fairer and more just society for all.

    If the US had not spent trillions of dollars in fighting Middle East wars, and instead used it to reduce the deficit and improve social programs and health, maybe the issues you raise about California would be far less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Now maybe its just me. But I think that it is disturbing that individuals, here, and on social media continue to try to make these events political in nature. Rampant NRA and gun loving has been in the states forever. Through democrat, republican times. Illegitimate wars and escalations have been contested by the USA through democrat and republican administrations .

    The boogeyman isn't political. Its that the USA is a gun loving war engaging nation and always has been. A nation which had its legitimate war fighting height, and hype in WWII, at a rare moment in time where the action of war was legitimate. At that point in time America was heroic, never since.

    The illegitimacy of all subsequent wars and the American war machine, and support of that, by any political stipe or color is what infects the American psyche. There's an increasing notion in the USA of abject confusion. Of questioning right/wrong, which has been going on since Korea or Vietnam.

    So that ex soldiers coming home do not just suffer PTSD, it should be that easy, they suffer profound misgivings about war and atrocity. That they often times feel they can't live with. Ever since Korea and Vietnam soldiers have been coming home with different kinds of questions. Questions about the USA. Often hateful questions. With Marines most exposed to that because they were the most hyped. Americas version of SS stormtroopers. (I'm not equating, only citing that the most imbued have the most latent internal conflict) Its not accidental that these mass shooters are so often ex marines. They are the ones indoctrinated the most. So that they suffer the most dissociation later.
    Yes, it has continued through Democrat administrations as well because the GOP & NRA pull out the "The Democrats are going to ban all guns" and scare people into thinking it's true. Trump pulled out that card just this week.


    Trump falsely claims Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams wants to ‘get rid of’ the Second Amendment, but Abrams says she supports it

    President Donald Trump said on Sunday that Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams would "get rid of" the Second Amendment if elected, though the Democrat has stated on several occasions that she believes in the right to bear arms.


    Speaking during a rally for Republican Brian Kemp in Macon, the president suggested that in addition to ending the Second Amendment — a power that governors do not possess — people will be sent door to door to collect all existing firearms. Trump also claimed that electing Abrams would turn the state of Georgia into the nation of Venezuela without providing evidence.


    Trump appeared to be referencing a 2016 gun safety bill that Abrams co-sponsored when she was a state lawmaker, that proposed a ban on certain assault weapons. The bill was unlike others of its kind in that it wouldn't grandfather in people who already own assault weapons, and would require them to turn these firearms over to authorities.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...lected-2018-11
    And the name of the thread quite clearly states "Gun control in the USA" so it's not JUST about school shootings.

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    They’ll have to do something sooner or later. Mind you I once had a judge tell me crime was good for business. Without it there would be a lot of people out of work. I had to think about that one for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    They’ll have to do something sooner or later. Mind you I once had a judge tell me crime was good for business. Without it there would be a lot of people out of work. I had to think about that one for a while.
    It’s a massive jobs creator. Tobacco farming was too. And possibly growing grapes, hops, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    They’ll have to do something sooner or later. Mind you I once had a judge tell me crime was good for business. Without it there would be a lot of people out of work. I had to think about that one for a while.
    I don't believe any judge would tell you that. Maybe a lawyer, but not a judge. It is a biased and warped view of ethics.

    What you state about crime is the broken window fallacy "Ce qu'on voit et ce qu'on ne voit pas"

    The fallacy can be demonstrated that crime and incarceration is a serious drag on society. In the US, nearly 1% of the population, over 2,200,000 adults are in jail or prison and not working. Furthermore, the prison guards, police, judges, government lawyers and support staff amount to millions more, all on the taxpayers dime, not adding to the economy or productivity.

    Think of the benefits if the inmates were out in the workforce, guards became teachers, etc...

    We can not eliminate crime but reducing it has benefits. I constantly hear hype and fear mongering that crime is increasing and we should be scared and vote in 'law and order' candidates. (Harper was good at this.). Many of these types are themselves, lining their pockets as politicians and breaking many laws.

    The opposite is true if you look at national statistics on both sides of the border, that crime is a fraction of what it was a few decades ago but the fear mongering has intensified.

    The data proves that crime is going down put politicians who want to get elected, never let facts get in their way and use peoples' fears to get stir up their base of voters.

    So when a shooting happens, all politicians sayis "hopes and prayers" and you sheep will pay more taxes forincreased police, security and armed teachers, rather than better laws andimproving people’s lives, education and social support such as low cost/freehealthcare and mental health services. This is not a left wing or rightwing concept. It is simply a rational and objective observation thatwould benefit society.

    Can anyone reasonably argue with this common sense approach?


    Can anyone reasonably argue with this common sense approach?






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    So you are calling me a liar, I’ve seen you call people worse.

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    I was wondering if you realize what a judge is. The best lawyers, the ones that keep the most criminals out of jail, are the ones appointed as judges. Often they appoint them just because they tire of losing against them in court. You live a sheltered life.

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    Not all judges are the same and one difference between the US and Canada is that most judges in the US are elected, not appointed.

    Judges Plead Guilty in Scheme to Jail Youths for Profit

    At worst, Hillary Transue thought she might get a stern lecture when she appeared before a judge for building a spoof MySpace page mocking the assistant principal at her high school in Wilkes-Barre, Pa. She was a stellar student who had never been in trouble, and the page stated clearly at the bottom that it was just a joke.


    Instead, the judge sentenced her to three months at a juvenile detention center on a charge of harassment.


    She was handcuffed and taken away as her stunned parents stood by.


    “I felt like I had been thrown into some surreal sort of nightmare,” said Hillary, 17, who was sentenced in 2007. “All I wanted to know was how this could be fair and why the judge would do such a thing.”


    The answers became a bit clearer on Thursday as the judge, Mark A. Ciavarella Jr., and a colleague, Michael T. Conahan, appeared in federal court in Scranton, Pa., to plead guilty to wire fraud and income tax fraud for taking more than $2.6 million in kickbacks to send teenagers to two privately run youth detention centers run by PA Child Care and a sister company, Western PA Child Care.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html
    And just the other day.

    After losing re-election, Texas judge releases several juvenile defendants after asking one question
    "I am baffled by why he did it," said a Harris County public defender

    A Houston district court judge who lost a re-election bid on Tuesday is facing criticism for releasing a majority of the juvenile defendants who appeared before him Wednesday after allegedly asking them whether they planned to kill anyone.


    District Court Judge Glenn Devlin, a Republican, lost his seat Tuesday to Democratic opponent Natalia Oakes — in a wave of 59 conservative jurists who had been ousted by Harris County voters, NBC Houston affiliate KPRC reported.


    And on Wednesday morning, Devlin had made a decision that shocked Steve Halpert, juvenile division chief for Harris County's Public Defender's Office.


    "The juveniles were asked whether they were going to, if released, whether they would kill somebody," Halpert told KPRC. "It was a little bit shocking because that's not a question Judge Devlin would ever ask. Or any judge."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...venile-n934121

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    They’ll have to do something sooner or later. Mind you I once had a judge tell me crime was good for business. Without it there would be a lot of people out of work. I had to think about that one for a while.
    It’s a massive jobs creator. Tobacco farming was too. And possibly growing grapes, hops, etc.
    Tobacco farming is still big business in southern Ontario. About 60% of what it was in the nineteen hundreds. I’ve been to Tillsonburg too. Growing Cannabis is big business, has been for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I was wondering if you realize what a judge is. The best lawyers, the ones that keep the most criminals out of jail, are the ones appointed as judges. Often they appoint them just because they tire of losing against them in court. You live a sheltered life.
    Unlike judges in the States who are often elected, most judges in Canada are appointed and come up through the Court system as Crown Prosecutors. They tend to incarcerate people, not get them off, that is the private lawyers who do that.
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    More defense and other lawyers are appointed than crown attorneys. Of the most recent five appointed in Alberta, two were prosecutors. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/edmonton...e-backlogs/amp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    So you are calling me a liar, .
    Nope. Just don't believe you. There is a difference.

    Still don't agree with your broken window fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    More defense and other lawyers are appointed than crown attorneys. Of the most recent five appointed in Alberta, two were prosecutors. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/edmonton...e-backlogs/amp
    You fail to recognize from your own source that there is a shortage of Crown Prosecutors to select as Judges so they had to find others.

    The government’s recognition of dwindling resources is a positive step, said Damian Rogers, treasurer at the Alberta Crown Attorneys’ Association.

    But the organization is concerned about the government’s ability to recruit Crown prosecutors.

    “Our understanding … is that the number of applications to those positions has been very low,” he said. “We’re on this treadmill right now … where the number of departures is such that we’re always in a recruiting mode.”
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    Pamela Geller and Republican Lives Matter among others spread "fake news" about the Thousand Oaks shooter.

    According to Charles Seife, a journalism professor at New York University who tracks the spread of online disinformation, this rumor originated with the Twitter account “Republican Lives Matter.” That tweet was also deleted but a screenshot can be glimpsed below:




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    Likely heard the first reports that he was in the military in Afghanistan and misconstrued, as reporters often do.

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    Reporters? Republican Lives Matter is a facebook group. Real reporters fact check and make corrections. ReThugLicans toss out anything they can to pin everything on Muslims and people of colour.

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    I do not know enough about it to comment further

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    But you knew enough to make an unsubstantiated claim in the first place?

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    Very Trumpian

    Make unsubstantiated claims, loudly...
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    You guys talking to each other again? Seems more and more it’s just the two of you. I guess with all the people you’ve driven out of the C2E you two will be very happy when you’re the only ones left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    You guys talking to each other again? Seems more and more it’s just the two of you. I guess with all the people you’ve driven out of the C2E you two will be very happy when you’re the only ones left.
    That's how many people see it...the bromance continued.. LOL

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    We took our cue to follow the Drumbones, MrOilers and Hello Lady; 'Trump is a god' echo chamber.
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    I don’t think that way. I’m neutral. Just wanted to give him a chance, but growing weary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I don’t think that way. I’m neutral. Just wanted to give him a chance, but growing weary.
    You can't compete with small petty minds , you just cant..you're better than that

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    They are a team alright. Mutt and Jeff. lol

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    Better than the three stooges.

    If it took you this long to figure out that Trump is a narcissistic, xenophobic, immoral bully with no respect for anyone and anything; then you got what you deserve.

    Trump is the same @sshole that he was in the 1980's and 1990's as when he ran in 2000 for President. Reading about him and his casinos and watching an interview with him 30+ years ago was all it took for me not to trust the snake oil salesman that he was and is today.

    Glad you are finally realizing that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Better than the three stooges.

    If it took you this long to figure out that Trump is a narcissistic, xenophobic, immoral bully with no respect for anyone and anything; then you got what you deserve.

    Trump is the same @sshole that he was in the 1980's and 1990's as when he ran in 2000 for President. Reading about him and his casinos and watching an interview with him 30+ years ago was all it took for me not to trust the snake oil salesman that he was and is today.

    Glad you are finally realizing that fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    They are a team alright. Mutt and Jeff. lol
    LOL high five drum!

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    Apparently being a good black man with a gun isn't enough to keep from getting shot to death. And people wonder why NFL players are taking a knee.

    Black security guard stops shooter in a bar — then gets gunned down by cop who mistook him for criminal

    WGN TV reports that 26-year-old armed security guard Jemel Roberson was working at Manny’s Blue Room Bar in Robbins, Illinois on Sunday morning when he was attacked by a gun-wielding man whom witnesses say had been kicked out of the bar earlier in the evening.

    Roberson returned fire on the man and managed to subdue him and pin him to the ground.


    However, when a Midlothian, Illinois police officer showed up on the scene, he opened fire and killed Roberson because he thought Roberson was the true assailant.


    “Everybody was screaming out, ‘he was a security guard,’ and they basically saw a black man with a gun and killed him,” witness Adam Harris tells WGN TV.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/bla...took-criminal/


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    And this



    Wisconsin district investigates boys’ apparent Nazi salute
    https://www.wbay.com/content/news/Wi...500290341.html
    BARABOO, Wis. (AP) - A Wisconsin school district is investigating a photo of a group of high school boys giving what appears to be a Nazi salute, drawing a strong rebuke on social media.

    Baraboo Superintendent Lori Mueller said she became aware of the photo Monday after it was posted on social media. The photo of more than 60 male students dressed in suits shows many with their right arm extended upward while posed on the steps of the Sauk County Courthouse.


    Mueller did not say what occasion may have brought the students together, but said the photo appears to have been taken last spring; some of the boys are wearing boutonnieres. Mueller said it wasn’t taken on school grounds or at a school-sponsored event.


    “The school district is investigating this situation and is working with parents, staff and local authorities. If the gesture is what it appears to be, the district will pursue any and all available and appropriate actions, including legal, to address the issue,” Mueller said in a letter to parents and guardians.
    We did not have this type of thing going on 10 years ago. Why are more anti-semetic, racist and hate expressions happening more often lately, especially under this President?
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    Actually, we did have this sort of thing going on 10, 20, 30 years ago. What has changed is that almost everyone now has a camera with them 24/7 and the means to share those pictures to a wider audience. What the current POTUS has done is embolden people to act like this and proudly display it for all to see.

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    I don't ever recall so many of these events going on regardless of the number of cameras.
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    The number of large mass shootings is larger but mass shootings include 4 dead or wounded not including the shooter. They hardly even make the national news anymore since they're so common.

    From The Washington Post. The Texas Tower shooting was in 1966.


    158 shootings


    In the 50 years before the Texas tower shooting, there were just 25 public mass shootings in which four or more people were killed, according to author and criminologist Grant Duwe. Since then, the number has risen dramatically, and many of the deadliest shootings have occurred within the past few years.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.706d22a95b73
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    history



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    Wouldn’t make much of a difference but the figures should also be population adjusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    And this



    Wisconsin district investigates boys’ apparent Nazi salute
    https://www.wbay.com/content/news/Wi...500290341.html
    BARABOO, Wis. (AP) - A Wisconsin school district is investigating a photo of a group of high school boys giving what appears to be a Nazi salute, drawing a strong rebuke on social media.

    Baraboo Superintendent Lori Mueller said she became aware of the photo Monday after it was posted on social media. The photo of more than 60 male students dressed in suits shows many with their right arm extended upward while posed on the steps of the Sauk County Courthouse.


    Mueller did not say what occasion may have brought the students together, but said the photo appears to have been taken last spring; some of the boys are wearing boutonnieres. Mueller said it wasn’t taken on school grounds or at a school-sponsored event.


    “The school district is investigating this situation and is working with parents, staff and local authorities. If the gesture is what it appears to be, the district will pursue any and all available and appropriate actions, including legal, to address the issue,” Mueller said in a letter to parents and guardians.
    We did not have this type of thing going on 10 years ago. Why are more anti-semetic, racist and hate expressions happening more often lately, especially under this President?
    Have to be wary of seeking, finding and reporting and all the other things that alter perceptions.

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    Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy armed with a Christmas Carol. No kidding, it really happened.

    Armed standoff ends after SWAT member sings Christmas carol

    EAST VINCENT TOWNSHIP, Pa. -- Authorities say an armed man who held off SWAT members for 10 hours surrendered after one of them sang him a Christmas carol.

    Nathaniel Lewis, of Chester County, Pennsylvania, was taken into custody in East Vincent Township early on Dec. 26.


    The Reading Eagle reports the 34-year-old Lewis allegedly fired at police officers who had responded when a concerned relative reported him acting erratically Christmas night.

    The shots hit a police vehicle, a house and another vehicle. Police returned fire.


    Eventually a negotiator got Lewis to agree to surrender after singing "White Christmas" to him.


    Lewis was charged with multiple counts of attempted homicide, aggravated assault and other offences. He was being held in Chester County Prison without bail.
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    3 dead, 4 injured in California bowling alley shooting

    So what will the NRA and Trump recommend?

    Arm pin setters?
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    Oh look, another non-immigrant killer that just happens to be white.


    Don't expect Trump to rant against him.

    At least 5 people killed at SunTrust Bank in Sebring, Florida, police say

    A gunman who barricaded himself in a SunTrust Bank in Florida killed at least five people in the branch on Wednesday, Sebring Police Chief Karl Hoglund said.


    The suspect called authorities to say he had entered the bank in Sebring, about 85 miles south of Orlando, and began shooting, according to Hoglund. Authorities identified the suspect as 21-year-old Sebring resident Zephen Xaver, who is in custody.



    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/23/us/se...ent/index.html


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    Unless he is a Demon-crat
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    Good point. We have enough crazies here, why import more.

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    Because immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than American citizens.
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    Build the wall! Oh, wait... He's white. Never mind.

    Man suspected of killing 5 in Louisiana arrested in Virginia

    On Saturday, Dakota Theriot, 21, shot and killed three people – the woman believed to be his girlfriend, her brother and father – in Louisiana’s Livingston Parish before taking her father’s truck, driving to neighbouring Ascension Parish, and shooting his parents, authorities said.


    Theriot’s grandmother, who lives in Warsaw, Virginia, had checked into a hotel Saturday night because she feared he might show up at her house, Richmond County Sheriff Stephan B. Smith said in a phone interview. The woman asked authorities to check her home Sunday morning to make sure it was safe before she returned.


    While deputies were there, Smith said, Theriot drove up. He had a gun on him but he dropped it and was taken into custody without incident, Smith said.



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    Build a wall and crime will fall!

    Did not Trump promise that as soon as he became President that crime would stop?

    Build a wall and crime will fall!

    The Las Vegas shooting with 53 dead and 400 injured isn't even in the radar because Trump ignores it.

    Build the wall and crime will fall!

    ...and Mexico will pay for it! "Trust me!"

    See how Trump shut down the government of Mexico to get them to pay for it.


    ....no, wait a minute...
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    Also last week. Where's Trump's outrage over this? Oh right, another white guy.

    A suspect killed five people inside a SunTrust bank branch in Florida. Just one employee escaped.

    When SWAT teams burst through a SunTrust bank's locked doors, they found five women lying limp on the lobby's floor. A gunman, police said, had shot them from behind.


    They had wounds in their heads and backs, authorities said, and their bodies were surrounded by shell casings.
    The women were killed Wednesday when a man walked inside the Sebring, Florida, bank and shot every person he encountered, police Chief Karl Hoglund said Thursday.

    The chief has called what happened a "senseless crime," and the evidence thus far appears to back that up: There is no clear motive, the gunman apparently had no plans to rob the bank and he had no known connection with anyone there, officials said.


    After the shooting, 21-year-old Zephen Xaver bluntly told a police dispatcher what had happened, authorities said.
    "I have shot five people," Hoglund quoted him as saying.


    "We believe that it was a random act," Hoglund said. "We do not believe that anybody was specifically targeted."



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    Another shooting in the US, 5 dead and 4 officers injured

    Aurora shooting updates: 5 dead after attack at Illinois manufacturing firm
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...217-story.html

    Police say five people were killed in a shooting at a suburban Chicago business.

    More to come This is a breaking news update. Previous version is below


    At least one person was killed and four police officers wounded when a shooter opened fire at an industrial park in Aurora, Ill., officials said Friday.


    Chris Nelson, spokesperson for the Kane County coroner's office, confirmed one person was killed. City spokesperson Clayton Muhammad said four officers were wounded and in stable condition, but did not say if they were shot.
    So what next, the NRA and Republicans saying that we should arm fork lift drivers and machinists?

    Please remind me again how teachers are just as well trained, armed and have armoured vests like the four officers who were shot today...

    The solution is not to arm more people but to enact laws to eliminate gun loopholes, high powered assault rifles and limit ownership to responsible gun owners.
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    Supposedly the best US jobs economy in anyone’s lifetime yet:


    Aurora shooting: Five killed by sacked man at Illinois firm - BBC News

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47261314




    ... or was he a terrorist ?



    Some Democrat President will now have the stage set for declaring a national emergency on this crisis:


    EDITORIAL: America's real national emergency: Mass shootings | Chicago Sun-Times

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion...p-border-wall/
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    Maybe it was the angst built up having to live with his parents giving him such a stupid name.

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    Another one of Trump's good people...

    Coast Guard officer allegedly wanted to conduct a mass killing, had political and media hit list
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    By Mary Kay Mallonee and Caroline Kelly, CNN

    A Coast Guard lieutenant arrested last Friday on gun and drug charges allegedly wanted to conduct a mass killing.
    Christopher Paul Hasson, 49, of Silver Spring, Maryland, is alleged to be a white supremacist who had a hit list that included prominent Democratic politicians as well as several journalists from CNN and MSNBC. Hasson's case was first circulated by counterterrorism expert Seamus Hughes and the George Washington Program on Extremism.
    Hasson's hit list includes Democratic politicians -- Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, of New York, Sens. Chuck Schumer, of New York, Cory Booker, of New Jersey, Richard Blumenthal, of Connecticut and Kamala Harris, of California and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke, of Texas -- as well as CNN journalists Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo and Van Jones and MSNBC's Chris Hayes, Ari Melber and Joe Scarborough.
    Court documents say Hasson espoused extremist and white supremacist views and allege that he relied on the manifesto of Anders Breivik, a Norwegian who was convicted in 2011 of two terror attacks that killed 77 people
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    Mental illness and gun ownership may be bad but you have to wonder what guys like this are dreaming up, and accumulating, if they can’t spend their time stockpiling guns. The gun purchase paperwork may serve as the canary in the coal mine compared to other potential under the radar dangers. And the Brevik connection. What’s the term? Sheeple.

    I guess not:

    Sheeple (/ˈʃiːpəl/;[1] a portmanteau of "sheep" and "people") is a derogatory term that highlights the passive herd behavior of people easily controlled by a governing power which likens them to sheep, a herd animal that is easily led about.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheeple

    This is far worse and not peacefully and passively. Just a rodent-leming ready to follow some moronic manifesto right off a cliff.
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    Coast Guard officer's collection



    where have I seen this before???

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    What a nutcase. Thank goodness they arrested him before he started shooting up people.

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    Don't you see the connection to Trump where he constantly calls the Press as the enemy of the people?

    It is as obvious as the list of people he kept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Don't you see the connection to Trump where he constantly calls the Press as the enemy of the people?

    It is as obvious as the list of people he kept.
    Show me the timeline. A lot of the world’s nut cases were nut cases long before Trump ever started his campaigning.

    This guy was reading another nut case’s manifesto.

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    Trump finally speaks about the Coast Guard shooter.

    Trump ‘probably not happy’ FBI arrested white nationalist terrorist Hasson — ‘These are his people’: Ex-RNC chair

    Former RNC Chair Michael Steele joined Nicolle Wallace’s panel on MSNBC’s “Deadline: White House” to discuss Trump’s comments on the case.


    Trump had not commented publicly until he was asked about it on Friday by NBC News chief White House correspondent Hallie Jackson.


    “Do you think you bear any responsibility for monitoring your language when it comes to that,” Jackson began.


    “No, I don’t,” Trump interrupted. “I think my language is very nice.”


    Steele was not surprised.


    “On this one, why would we be surprised a self-proclaimed nationalist would not speak out against a self-proclaimed white nationalist?” Steele asked.


    “These are his people,” Steele noted. “And he’s not going to thank law enforcement because he’s probably not happy about what law enforcement did.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/tru...-ex-rnc-chair/
    And it's interesting that everyone on his list is someone that Trump has gone after. Go figure.

    A detention memo for Hasson, a 49-year-old living in Maryland and stationed at the Coast Guard’s Washington headquarters, described him as “a domestic terrorist bent on committing acts dangerous to human life.” It outlined how he amassed a small arsenal of weapons, obtained a stockpile of human growth hormone and the opioid Tramadol, obsessively read the extremist manifesto penned by Breivik, and created a list of potential targets in politics and media, including Warren and other Democratic presidential hopefuls, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, and TV personalities Joe Scarborough and Van Jones.


    Hasson referred to Warren in his spreadsheet as “poca warren,” a reference to Trump’s “Pocahontas” nickname for the senator, it says.


    Records from his computer show internet searches that included “most liberal senators,” “where do most senators live in dc,” “do senators have ss [secret service] protection,” and “are supreme court justices protected,” the document says. He also allegedly wrote in a draft email that he was “dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on the earth,” and had written a draft message to neo-Nazi figure about his belief in the need for “focused violence” and desire to find a “white homeland.”

    https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/...zabeth-warren/

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    ^ The well worn path that Trump takes every time one of his rich, white friends gets caught in a sex scandal.

    "When it comes to fellow septuagenarian billionaires and/or white people who’ve pledged their loyalty to him, it’s all innocent until proven guilty, and even then it’s not clear we can trust the courts!"

    The president is “very sad” about charges filed against Patriots owner Robert Kraft, who he wants you to know has denied everything.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...titution-sting
    t’s been a big week for individuals connected to Donald “All the Best People” Trump and sex trafficking. On Thursday, a judge ruled that the president’s Labor secretary, Alexander Acosta, broke the law when he allowed billionaire Jeffrey Epstein to sign a plea deal that was concealed from victims, who might’ve taken issue with Epstein’s mere 18-month sentence for literally running an international sex ring. (The White House has said Acosta did the “best” job he could on the case and has done a “great job” as Labor secretary, and that the Epstein business—which involved dozens of minors—happened “a long time ago.”) And on Friday, some not-great news befell the president’s very favorite N.F.L. owner:
    Robert Kraft, a longtime friend of President Trump and owner of the New England Patriots, faces charges in a prostitution sting connected to Florida spas, police said Friday.

    Kraft, 77, is facing two charges of soliciting prostitution, police in Jupiter, Florida, said during a news conference. Two instances of Kraft at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa were caught on video, they said. Kraft was one of 25 people facing charges in the incident.


    “Our concern in this investigation centers around the possibility of victims of human trafficking,” said Jupiter Police Chief Daniel Kerr, adding that there was evidence of trafficking.


    Kraft—whose spokesperson “categorically” denied that he “engaged in any illegal activity”—goes way back with Trump, frequently paying visits to Mar-a-Lago, which is conveniently located just 22 miles from the Orchids of Asia Day Spa. Still, you might expect President Law and Order to come down pretty hard on his buddy boy, considering he’s previously encouraged police to rough people up during arrests, questioned the need for due process, and vocally called for five teenagers to be executed before they went to trial for a crime it turned out they did not commit. Except, of course, he’s only gung-ho about prosecuting people to the fullest extent of the law when said people are immigrants, minorities, women, or some other group with whom he can’t relate. When it comes to fellow septuagenarian billionaires and/or white people who’ve pledged their loyalty to him, it’s all innocent until proven guilty, and even then it’s not clear we can trust the courts!

    Trump on Friday said he was “surprised” that Robert Kraft was busted for patronizing a sleazy massage parlor in Florida—but emphasized that his billionaire buddy “has denied it.”

    Other people who’ve received the Kraft treatment from Trump include Bill O’Reilly, who the president insisted was a “good person” who didn’t do “anything wrong” after the ex–Fox News host settled for $13 million with five women who’d accused him of sexual harassment. Our newest Supreme Court justice, human six-pack Brett Kavanaugh, was given a similar pass, claiming that his treatment “violate every notion of fairness, decency, and due process.” As of late Friday afternoon, the president had not taken to the Internet to decry the Kraft news as a “GIANT MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE,” “A HOAX,” or a “WITCH HUNT,” though he does do his best tweeting in the early hours of the morning, so give him time.
    I bet Robert Kraft's girlfriend, who is young enough to be his granddaughter, is not happy that he went out to buy sex...



    Now where was Michael Cohen when Trump and Kraft needed him?
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    Sarah Sanders's Latest Lie Is Somehow Her Worst
    After a member of the military allegedly obsessed with race war got arrested, Trump's spokeswoman reached a new low.

    https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/m...ehow-her-worst
    When a US Coast Guard lieutenant and former Marine was arrested and charged with gun and drug crimes, it quickly became clear that the officer, Christopher Hasson, was allegedly plotting the mass murder of Democrats and journalists and subscribed to white nationalism. Trump has not weighed in on the case, though he had time to tweet about actor Jussie Smollett allegedly faking a hate crime. When his press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, was asked about it Friday, her response was brazen even by the standards of the administration:
    Robert [email protected]_
    Here's Sarah Sanders saying Trump hasn't "at any point" done anything "but condemn violence, against journalists or anyone else."


    (In October, Trump publicly praised a sitting congressman for the fact that he violently assaulted a reporter.)
    Obviously, Sanders is lying here—this is not a case where she might have incomplete information or have been deceived by her superiors. This is a conscious falsehood being uttered by a key voice atop the United States government. Anyone who knows anything about Trump knows that he has routinely praised violence, especially against the media.



    But we can certainly hold the administration accountable for its own response to those acts of lunacy. When Sanders, the voice of the executive branch, is telling bald-faced lies about her boss's history of stoking violent sentiment against the press, the question of who inspired who is no longer relevant. The country can't have serious debates about gun violence, or political extremism, or white nationalism, or the role of the press, or racism, or almost anything when the White House is engaged in this kind of casual deceit.
    President Trump praised Republican Rep. Greg Gianforte, who pleaded guilty to body slamming a reporter last year, as a 'tough cookie.'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwiaCUUScqc

    When are reporters going to call Sarah Sanders a liar to her face? I would love the White House Press Corps to call her out, tell her "That the American People refuse to listen to any more of her lies" turn their backs on her, turn off the cameras and leave the White House; boycotting any press coverage of Trump or the White House until thing change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Don't you see the connection to Trump where he constantly calls the Press as the enemy of the people?
    You need to listen to him more carefully. Pay attention - he always (and only) says the "FAKE news media is the enemy of the people." He never said the press. FAKE news. Not press.

    Anyone who is offended by his comments are defending the fake news.

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    Well he calls the New Tork Times, the Washington Post and CNN and many others as fake news and the Enemy of the People. Are you saying that only media that only say nice things about Trump are the press that he does not attack?


    It appears to be.
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    “Our concern in this investigation centers around the possibility of victims of human trafficking,” said Jupiter Police Chief Daniel Kerr, adding that there was evidence of trafficking.
    You see, the difference is that Trump keeps talking about human trafficking on the southern border because those are brown women. When they're Asians, like Robert Kraft was caught with, it's no big thing. Also, it's a billionaire that's supporting human trafficking so again, no big deal. That's what the poor and powerless are for, being playthings of the rich and powerful.

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    Keep those tots and peras coming.

    Florida Senator Stargel: ‘Thoughts And Prayers’ Will Stop School Shootings
    MARCH 4, 2018

    If I thought for one moment that if we banned assault weapons, that all of these tragedies would end, you would have me. I would be with you. But are we going to ban fertilizer, which is what they used in the Oklahoma City bombing? Are we going to ban pressure cookers, which is what they used in the Boston massacre? Are we gonna ban the multiple handguns that were used in other assaults? Are we gonna ban the sawed off shotguns [that were] used in Columbine?


    It’s not the weapon. It’s the evil from within.


    And unfortunately, Senator Stewart said at the very beginning of her debate, when we say “thoughts and prayers,” it’s frowned upon. And I take real offense at that because thoughts and prayers are really the only thing that’s gonna stop the evil from within the individual who is taking up their arms to do this kind of a massacre.


    So I will continue to do the thoughts and prayers…

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...c1qYGQSLFN1pYw

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    Young Parkland voters’ ballots were rejected at much higher rate than state average in November, research finds
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...nl_most&wpmm=1
    About 1 in 7 mail-in ballots submitted by college-age voters in Parkland were rejected or failed to arrive in time to be counted, according to an analysis. The findings are adding to questions about the reliability and fairness of the Florida electoral system, including its ballot signature requirement that became a flash point in the November recount between U.S. Sen Rick Scott (R) and the Democrat he ousted from office, Bill Nelson.
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    Likely story

    One Nation's James Ashby says he was 'on the sauce' when seeking $20m from NRA

    Senior One Nation figures James Ashby and Steve Dickson claim they had been “on the sauce” drinking scotch for “three or four hours” when discussing seeking a $20m donation from the National Rifle Association to the far-right Australian party.

    Ashby and Dickson faced the media on Tuesday after an al-Jazeera investigation revealed the two men had sought millions in donations from the NRA during a trip to the US last year, in a bid to seize the balance of power and weaken Australia’s gun laws.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...g-20m-from-nra
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    American gun violence has come to this point, students asking that a photo of their body be publicized if they die in a shooting.

    Columbine students start campaign to share images of their death if they're killed in gun violence

    Their campaign, #MyLastShot, asks students to put a sticker on their ID or cellphone that indicates their desire for images of their body to be publicized and shared if they are killed as a result of gun violence.


    "Our country has a history of photography effecting real change," the campaign's founder, 17-year-old Kaylee Tyner, told CNN in a phone interview Saturday.
    Tyner said she was inspired by Emmett Till's death, his legacy and how that was connected to the painful imagery of his body.


    "His parents insisted the world see the imagery of his death," she said, adding that the image "exposed the racial divide in our country and helped usher in the civil rights movement."


    The campaign encourages advocates to print off and sign the sticker, which reads, "In the event that I die from gun violence please publicize the photo of my death. #MyLastShot."


    The hope is that even in death they can be the catalyst for change, using the power of photography to bring attention to the scourge of gun violence.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/30/us/co...ign/index.html

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    Thoughts and prayers is all you can say???

    Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump
    Thoughts and prayers to all of those affected by the shooting at the Synagogue in Poway, California. God bless you all. Suspect apprehended. Law enforcement did outstanding job. Thank you!
    2:41 PM - 27 Apr 2019
    Why don't you do something??? Can't you say the words, "Anti-Semitic attack"???

    Instead Trump met with the NRA like a loyal lapdog and excused the neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville as “very fine people” protecting the traitorous legacy of Robert E. Lee.

    Trump promised that all the crime would stop as soon as he were elected. Trump has refused to even mention gun control or a ban on automatic weapons. He refuses to protect the American public and instead protects his racist base and corporate handlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Thoughts and prayers is all you can say???

    Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump
    Thoughts and prayers to all of those affected by the shooting at the Synagogue in Poway, California. God bless you all. Suspect apprehended. Law enforcement did outstanding job. Thank you!
    2:41 PM - 27 Apr 2019
    Why don't you do something??? Can't you say the words, "Anti-Semitic attack"???

    Instead Trump met with the NRA like a loyal lapdog and excused the neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville as “very fine people” protecting the traitorous legacy of Robert E. Lee.

    Trump promised that all the crime would stop as soon as he were elected. Trump has refused to even mention gun control or a ban on automatic weapons. He refuses to protect the American public and instead protects his racist base and corporate handlers.
    “very fine people”-> Please listen to the entire transcript to understand what he said. They were very fine people on both sides, who were actual protesters. The KKK and Antifa groups were called out as such, and denounced.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sides-remarks/


    mention gun control or a ban on automatic weapons-> You can go round in circles about this one, and it has I agree. It is however in their Constitution that the citizens has the right to bare arms. The only real way to fix this is to amend the constitution, which is not something any US president can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Thoughts and prayers is all you can say???

    Donald J. Trump‏@realDonaldTrump
    Thoughts and prayers to all of those affected by the shooting at the Synagogue in Poway, California. God bless you all. Suspect apprehended. Law enforcement did outstanding job. Thank you!
    2:41 PM - 27 Apr 2019
    Why don't you do something??? Can't you say the words, "Anti-Semitic attack"???

    Instead Trump met with the NRA like a loyal lapdog and excused the neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville as “very fine people” protecting the traitorous legacy of Robert E. Lee.

    Trump promised that all the crime would stop as soon as he were elected. Trump has refused to even mention gun control or a ban on automatic weapons. He refuses to protect the American public and instead protects his racist base and corporate handlers.
    you mean the same NRA that was recently found out to gave almost 10,000 times the legal donation amount to the Trump Campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    “very fine people”-> Please listen to the entire transcript to understand what he said. They were very fine people on both sides, who were actual protesters. The KKK and Antifa groups were called out as such, and denounced.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sides-remarks/
    Trump's statements were tepid at best, more than two day after the fact and then he doubled down on lies, mischaracterizations and whataboutism comments.

    The Charleston event was an organized neo-nazi and white supremacist call to arms of the extreme right and had absolutely nothing to do with the statue other than to serve as a backdrop to their organized hatred



    Poster clearly lists prominent white supremacists and neo-nazis.





    Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones.


    Trump would not even acknowledge the torch wielding mob that did not even mention the statue, they chanted loudly and clearly their hatred, xenophobic and anti-semitic Nazi inspired call of "Jews will not replace us!" and "Blood and Soil!"..They certainly were not quiet.

    Trump: The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.
    "But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.


    There are not "fine people" but they are fervent Trump supporters




    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post
    mention gun control or a ban on automatic weapons-> You can go round in circles about this one, and it has I agree. It is however in their Constitution that the citizens has the right to bare arms. The only real way to fix this is to amend the constitution, which is not something any US president can do.
    Written when a police force did not exist and the US was under threat of British invasion. Muskets at the time could fire 3 musket balls a minute and did not have a magazine. Does that mean everyone including convicted felons can carry a 50 cal machine gun or bazooka? No there are limits and his failure to address the real issue of semi-automatic weapons is a failure to begin the process of making an amendment to the US Constitution. But Trump wants to protect his base. Democrats, reporters, Muslims, Jews, brown people and illegal aliens are simply targets of their hatred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post

    “very fine people”-> Please listen to the entire transcript to understand what he said. They were very fine people on both sides, who were actual protesters. The KKK and Antifa groups were called out as such, and denounced.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sides-remarks/
    Yup, that's right. But people who want it to look like something else won't acknowledge the actual transcript.

    They also choose to only focus on the same 3-4 provocative media photos of the neo-Nazis who showed up on the days of the statue removal protests(acting like that's the only event that weekend), and also act like protests have an attendance list or that participants in a public gathering can just turn undesirables away at the door or something.

    The left demands honesty, but they aren't honest themselves.

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    ^I quoted the exact same transcript

    I see that you say lefties are bad. But you don't say a bad word against neo-nazis, white nationalists, the KKK and other hate groups. You make it sound like like the Unite the Right was having a garden picnic. In fact you are actively supporting them.

    They had an attendance list



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    2017
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    I see that you say lefties are bad. But you don't say a bad word against neo-nazis, white nationalists, the KKK and other hate groups. You make it sound like like the Unite the Right was having a garden picnic. In fact you are actively supporting them.
    It's easier for you to think that. Which is probably why you keep thinking that, no matter what I say to the contrary.

    Clown world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rupikhalon001 View Post

    “very fine people”-> Please listen to the entire transcript to understand what he said. They were very fine people on both sides, who were actual protesters. The KKK and Antifa groups were called out as such, and denounced.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...sides-remarks/
    Yup, that's right. But people who want it to look like something else won't acknowledge the actual transcript.

    They also choose to only focus on the same 3-4 provocative media photos of the neo-Nazis who showed up on the days of the statue removal protests(acting like that's the only event that weekend), and also act like protests have an attendance list or that participants in a public gathering can just turn undesirables away at the door or something.

    The left demands honesty, but they aren't honest themselves.
    And what about your own spin on the flooding issue of Trudeau vs the exasperated guy?

    To me it seems like the very same thing. Ignore the context, pick on a couple limited comments or points of time, spin it negatively in your own words, leave out any informative quotes, and basically try to colour the whole episode as a moral failure of one individual.

    There’s absolutely no truth seeking, or understanding, or objectivity in any of this.

    It’s all about winning vs loosing some battle stuck in the minds of some people. It’s not about understanding it’s about only about selectively choosing information to denigrate and destroy the perceived enemy and absolutely anyone that might have even the slightest agreement with them on any issue, and then boosting one’s own side onto some holier than thou pedestal by refusing to admit that side’s weaknesses and failings.




    Liberals And Trudeau - Performance Review! - Page 36

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    Awesome video here shows the clear disconnect between Justin Trudeau and regular Canadians.


    Volunteer berates Trudeau for Delaying him from Filling Sandbags:

    https://globalnews.ca/video/5211322/volunteer-berates-trudeau-for-delaying-him-from-filling-sandbags



    The best part is Trudeau's response to being accused of holding up everyone for an hour.
    - telling the driver that he and his kids filled sandbags for 15 minutes
    - proclaiming that he did more than the volunteers because he "inspires" more people
    - ends the conversation (in typical snooty lefty fashion) by calling the guy names
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...Review!/page36

    Title uses “Berates” - somewhat descriptive, but “Volunteer argues with Trudeau” works too and would have provided more information because Trudeau talked too.

    The guy said 30 minutes then said 1 hour so saying one hour is mistaken or selective/biased.

    “Proclaiming” - WTF? He was giving his excuse.

    “...he “inspires” more people “ - spin, spin, spin!

    “typical snooty lefty fashion” - just more BS politically correct wording (politically correct from one side of what I see as only some phoney-baloney perceived left-right spectrum)

    “calling the guy names” - more spin. “names”? Give me a break. What was it? “You’re an unfriendly neighbour”? Something like that.
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    What? MrOilers a hypocrite? Colour me shocked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    And what about your own spin on the flooding issue of Trudeau vs the exasperated guy?

    Although this has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation, I'll respond to you anyway.


    What "spin"?

    In that video, Justin Trudeau showed yet another example of his condescending attitude (and his name-calling) to the very real concerns of regular Canadian people. It's becoming a regular habit of his, and that's what the video showed.

    THAT was my complaint.
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