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    Default The Wedge (10344 Jasper Ave) | 10 stories | Proposed

    Vacant since the '90s, Jasper Avenue building could become The Wedge
    Building at 10344 Jasper could see 10 storeys of residential units plus commercial space

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    Just read up on the gem theatre. That’s a shame.

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    It's sad to see buildings like this go, but it's even more sad to see this building decaying over 20+ years.
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    O'Connor is a realtor; aren't realtors supposed to know how to assess a building's condition better than the average person? I wish he didn't wait so long to do something about the Printz building. Anyways, it's good to finally see some movement on this.
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    Wasn't there a conceptual rendering posted in another thread a few months ago for something like this at that location? 10-ish storeys, ultra-skinny? Anyone remember what I'm talking about?
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    I think the building you are talking about was something IanO sketched-up 10 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    O'Connor is a realtor; aren't realtors supposed to know how to assess a building's condition better than the average person? I wish he didn't wait so long to do something about the Printz building. Anyways, it's good to finally see some movement on this.
    Buy heritage building.

    Let it decay.

    Say nothing can be done.

    Build new.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    ^^Multiple folks did up versions/iterations. Great to see though.
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    It would be great to see something happen with this site. But I won't be holding my breath. Maybe Beljan will snap it up at some point down the road and make an actual go of it. Get on it Chris!

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    that little building isn't worth complaining about. nothing "heritage" about it !

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    Probably not much heritage but a lot of character and nostalgia which is what a lot of people are looking for.

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    I will miss the Birks diamond on that west wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    Wasn't there a conceptual rendering posted in another thread a few months ago for something like this at that location? 10-ish storeys, ultra-skinny? Anyone remember what I'm talking about?


    This was thrown about:

    https://dsafit.com/project.html?project=33

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    Neither the exterior nor the interior provide any reason to preserve this building in any way. I am used to the "rinse, lather, repeat" comments and the fake-heritage foolishness, but I cannot understand it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    Wasn't there a conceptual rendering posted in another thread a few months ago for something like this at that location? 10-ish storeys, ultra-skinny? Anyone remember what I'm talking about?


    This was thrown about:

    https://dsafit.com/project.html?project=33
    It’s crap design.

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    So perfect for Edmonton is what you're saying?

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    ^^huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    Wasn't there a conceptual rendering posted in another thread a few months ago for something like this at that location? 10-ish storeys, ultra-skinny? Anyone remember what I'm talking about?


    This was thrown about:

    https://dsafit.com/project.html?project=33
    pretty nice actually !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It would be great to see something happen with this site. But I won't be holding my breath. Maybe Beljan will snap it up at some point down the road and make an actual go of it. Get on it Chris!
    Ha, we likely would be interested in this site. But I agree, I am not sure if Oliver will be ready to take this on when it comes time to pull the trigger. It's a tricky site and will be expensive to build. Not trying to rain on the parade but this isn't an easy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It would be great to see something happen with this site. But I won't be holding my breath. Maybe Beljan will snap it up at some point down the road and make an actual go of it. Get on it Chris!
    Ha, we likely would be interested in this site. But I agree, I am not sure if Oliver will be ready to take this on when it comes time to pull the trigger. It's a tricky site and will be expensive to build. Not trying to rain on the parade but this isn't an easy one.
    Don't think this one will ever get going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    O'Connor is a realtor; aren't realtors supposed to know how to assess a building's condition better than the average person? I wish he didn't wait so long to do something about the Printz building. Anyways, it's good to finally see some movement on this.
    Buy heritage building.

    Let it decay.

    Say nothing can be done.

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    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    What heritage? The structures on both sides are though.


    Regarding the design "thrown about," it is acceptable to decent, but, IMO, it is nothing nice or spectacular.


    For something like this, I would put the elevator in the middle, and do two suites. Each suite would have two floors where you would just walk right out the elevator into your suit. 3 sides all glass. This has potential for uniqe/avangarde high end.Regardless of how it is designed, it is nice to see movement here- if it goes ahead.
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    At least one side of the building must have a blank wall just in case a skyscraper gets built right beside it.
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    How about something with cleaner lines and no exterior balconies?

    NYC example (slightly taller)

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    I was hoping for taller than 12 ( around 20 ) , but too tall is not that great in this area as there has to be respected balance to existing neighbors. The one you posted is surrounding by super tall structures hence why it looks good. 20 floors Hould be max imo.
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    I like 10 stories for this spot. Gives me hope it will actually be built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oilers99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It would be great to see something happen with this site. But I won't be holding my breath. Maybe Beljan will snap it up at some point down the road and make an actual go of it. Get on it Chris!
    Ha, we likely would be interested in this site. But I agree, I am not sure if Oliver will be ready to take this on when it comes time to pull the trigger. It's a tricky site and will be expensive to build. Not trying to rain on the parade but this isn't an easy one.
    Don't think this one will ever get going.
    Why do you say that? As I'm not in the industry, I'm curious to know why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    I was hoping for taller than 12 ( around 20 ) , but too tall is not that great in this area as there has to be respected balance to existing neighbors. The one you posted is surrounding by super tall structures hence why it looks good. 20 floors Hould be max imo.
    By contrast, there I'd about a 5 story building of similar design to the left. The point was that if you make the exterior balconies into interior sun rooms, the exterior is far cleaner than the proposed design, regardless of height.

    A 10 story skinny building can be made with much better curb appeal. IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmontonsKindaGuy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Oilers99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It would be great to see something happen with this site. But I won't be holding my breath. Maybe Beljan will snap it up at some point down the road and make an actual go of it. Get on it Chris!
    Ha, we likely would be interested in this site. But I agree, I am not sure if Oliver will be ready to take this on when it comes time to pull the trigger. It's a tricky site and will be expensive to build. Not trying to rain on the parade but this isn't an easy one.
    Don't think this one will ever get going.
    Why do you say that? As I'm not in the industry, I'm curious to know why.
    Like Chris said, it's a tricky site and expensive to build given how tight it is and the limited overall size of the project. Edmonton doesn't have a large number of developers who specialize in this kind/type of development. Really, there's only one or two. I don't know who the current owner is, but they don't seem to have much of a track record of development in general, let alone a site/project like this. That's not intended as a slight in any way, and I hope they do make a go of it.

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    I always liked the Agency Building that used to be next to the Union Bank on Jasper. It was about 6 stories and not very wide. Maybe a modern take on it would look good here.

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    I agree. I think our family doctor was on the third floor back in the late 1960's

    According to the original 1912 drawings it was 22 to 23 feet wide




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    Great examples.
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    Check out 217 East Georgia Street in Vancouver. Very do-able, just need a market:

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    ^ Except ugly yellow

    The architects were so much better in 1912...
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    ^ Agreed ... the entire block (well except for Melcor) is low rise.

    Done nicely, could be a great addition.
    ... gobsmacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    I was hoping for taller than 12 ( around 20 ) , but too tall is not that great in this area as there has to be respected balance to existing neighbors. The one you posted is surrounding by super tall structures hence why it looks good. 20 floors Hould be max imo.
    By contrast, there I'd about a 5 story building of similar design to the left. The point was that if you make the exterior balconies into interior sun rooms, the exterior is far cleaner than the proposed design, regardless of height.

    A 10 story skinny building can be made with much better curb appeal. IMHO
    Who says you can't have both. I have always been puzzles as to why developers/architect designers fail such usage of a space
    Since architect was my true desire of a career, i have always envision a balcony to be used for all seasons. An easy solution for that is do your balcony wrapped with glazings then have a glass garage-lile door from the top to enclose. This way, it could be used for a green house or extra room come winter. The floors could have an easy removable laminate surface. I would call it 365 balcony as an option/feature If they want to do bbq, apply some sort of hood range. This is what I meant as something that is unique.it a very simple and pragmatic solution since condos are getting smaller. One other thing, the sliding door to the balcony could be built to be covered so that it gives a seamless affect when they apply the walls, and the tracks to the doors covered with the same laminate.
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    Wow the Agency Building is so nice. Shame that they tore it down

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    Job No 276602461-002
    Description: To demolish an existing Commercial Use building and to construct a new eleven (11) Storey mixed-use building (Basement and Main Floor: Commercial Uses, Floors 2-11: 34 Dwelling Apartment House). (The Wedge Building)
    Location: 10344 - JASPER AVENUE NW
    Plan NB Blk 3 Lot 157
    Applicant: HOLO - BLOK ARCHITECTURE INC.
    Status: Intake - Payment Required
    Create Date: 7/24/2018 3:33:59 PM

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    Yessss! *pending details
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    I’m really excited to see this. This will make that area significantly cooler.

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    Not much info on the architecture firm. Seems to specialize in maintaining or updating existing architecture drawings.
    http://holo-blok.com/#about

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    Exciting indeed and long overdue. Looking forward to the design.
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    One more little step towards positive growth on Jasper ave.

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    Apparently I did a design for this about 9 yrs ago.

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    I like the design overall, but the podium is inappropriate. Apply a symmetrical podium (up to 5th floor) and every thing else is good. Asymmetrical like this would be better sandwiched to two modern architect structure's from my perspective. Great concept nevertheless!.
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    I don't know that it's inappropriate. The dividing line of the podium defines the eastern edge of the tower. If there's a problem with the podium, I think it's the awkward windows on the western portion.

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    That is why I reference an all brick facade ( right side). The color of the brick is what will punch it out. Currently, that structure is fighting itself. Both color and articulation are too prominent, and they cancel the affect for this area. The window look ackward as they are deliberately intended that for "ackward/abstract" (that portion is a triangulated out slightly and the widows flushed to the eastern side frontage). Just mirror the brick side. At bottom elevation from 4' down wrap another layer of break to give it an anchor, and I would be happy. The design will not conflict with itself or the neighbors that way. It will retain an edgy look while maintaining elegance, and compliment the area. I would love this around 97st. on the east side of the courthouse . This works with the AGA, Citadel, and that whole district. Jasper Ave is more Audrey Hepburn clean and classic.
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    Cool. Hope they can pull it off. Looks like it will be a very unique addition.

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    It sorta reminds me of one of my favourite buildings in Tokyo (Asakusa).


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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Cool. Hope they can pull it off. Looks like it will be a very unique addition.
    I agree. I like it just the way we see it in the rendering.

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    So is this just an interesting idea, or is there chance it can actually get built?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    So is this just an interesting idea, or is there chance it can actually get built?
    I've always been on the skeptical side for the following reasons:

    1. This is a tight site which makes it difficult to design efficient floor plates, which leads to higher construction costs.
    2. There aren't many units in the development to spread out these costs therefore making the margins slim.
    3. There is only so much the market is willing to spend on a product like this. So it will be difficult to achieve the rents/sales price to generate the returns that would make sense to move forward with this type of project.
    4. Track record of the proponent. No slight to Mr. O'Connor but how many vertical developments has he done?

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    There may not be much demand but there's also not many units to sell. 1 & 4 may be the biggest problem.

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    I don't like the podium myself, way too literal and busy. Not a fan of faux historical. That said, welcome addition to the street.

    I agree with Chris D, however maybe because it's unique they will get the pre-sales they need to move forward with a builder or developer partner. Or he will rezone and flip. The design exercise might be to gauge interest.
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    God that’s tacky (in my opinion).

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    In there, yes... but the design is awsome imo.
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    Utter garbage and filth.

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    no it's not.

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    What would you expect though.
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    The unprintable morons who did this design forgot that games with false perspective work only on a projective plane. In a normal three-dimensional world l'oeil ne se trompe pas, and all these painted wedges and sharp angles just look cheap.

    Building this would be a waste of good construction materials.

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    I think it's all moot anyways. I would put the chances of this being built at less than 5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    The unprintable morons who did this design forgot that games with false perspective work only on a projective plane. In a normal three-dimensional world l'oeil ne se trompe pas, and all these painted wedges and sharp angles just look cheap.

    Building this would be a waste of good construction materials.
    Which is why this concept is more appooropriate for other areas such as east on 97 side by the courthouse as there are structures to Juxtapose the abstract factor. Your description is Shakespeare overkill. I do agree on Jasper Avenue, it is inappropriate. This design will definitely denigrate the neighboring structure's on both sides. It is too aggressive to the classic neighbors. The brick color choice is suffice for distinction without the physical articulation; the balcony can remain as is going up. It is hardly filth as you described; it is actually a clever concept in a wrong place.
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    Interesting but I’d guess that the balconies won’t make it to any final design. High cost construction relative to the main leasable floor space.

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    I doubt the balconies would be approved. I recall the small structure next to Sobeys where they tried the cantilever design over Jasper as I had suggested which was denied. This design definitely encroach on that issue, so, on that merit alone, it will be revised to flush with the podium portion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AShetsen View Post
    The unprintable morons who did this design forgot that games with false perspective work only on a projective plane. In a normal three-dimensional world l'oeil ne se trompe pas, and all these painted wedges and sharp angles just look cheap.

    Building this would be a waste of good construction materials.
    “unprintable morons” This language reflects more on you than the designers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    I doubt the balconies would be approved. I recall the small structure next to Sobeys where they tried the cantilever design over Jasper as I had suggested which was denied. This design definitely encroach on that issue, so, on that merit alone, it will be revised to flush with the podium portion.
    I don't see the balconies encroaching on the sidewalk or Jasper.

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    You're right! I could accept the balcony, but, in all honesty, I would prefer clean lines and a mirrored brick facade. The vibrant red brick would do wonders at street level.
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    Very strange and not in a good way. It looks messy.

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    It'd be a great addition to the avenue, but have t

    Have to agree with others though - just don't see those oversize balconies making sense.

    Given the restricted site - not sure you could do much more for street interaction than what's shown.
    ... gobsmacked

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    Exciting to potentially see something happening though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    Jebus can you be anymore full of yourself

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    Are you disagreeing?
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    You guys are simply too easy.

    The more I think about this project, the more I like it.
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    Would occupants come to be known as "Wedgies"?
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Well I hope there is movement on this as it would be nice to see that current building gone and some life there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
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    DP has been approved.

    -11 storeys
    -34 units
    -Retail on main and in the basement
    -No parking provided on site
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    Wouldn't mind seeing a lot more small scale projects like this. Not everything needs to be a massive tower/consolidated site development.

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    Concur in full.
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    No parking provided and approved. Huge success. Nice!
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    Updated rendering:


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    Going to be interesting. At this point I quite like it.

    Pricing, without any parking, is going to be a key to get these sold. Without a major underground structure, maybe that pricing will be attractive.

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    I assumed rental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    I assumed rental.
    Fair point. Pretty boutique for that though?

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    The image looks good but it is hard to tell where the lighter portion of the building at the bottom starts to jut out towards to top.
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    The image, I can live with. I'm more concerned about what the end result will actually look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    -Retail on main and in the basement
    As in connected to Enterprise Station? Is the station retail mall finally happening?

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    When’s construction expected to start?

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    I like it and can’t wait to see this happen. That tiny lot has been an eyesore my entire life and then some.

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    It's different for sure.

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    I adore this. This is innovative and daring; clearly something 'out of the box', which we certainly need more of in this city. Yes, execution will determine the end result but that is the case for every single construction project so I feel it is a bit superfluous to say that every time something a bit unique is proposed.

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    This is terrific. We are to NYC soon, with my family, and I am anxious show my teenage kids the many clever uses of spaces there. This is true urbanity. I hope, hope, hope this proceeds.

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    2 thumbs up from ET based on the current render. It’s vibrant in a city core that needs some edginess ... to much vanilla is boring visually.

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    It's different, not to my taste, but to each their own..

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