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    Default Edmonton Oilers 2018/19 Season

    The Oilers are about to start Training Camp, and are a little less than a month away from the NHL season.
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    Getting a little concerned that Nurse isn't signed yet. They don't have the depth to start the season without him, and it would be best if he doesn't miss any or all of training camp.

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    Benson and Jones have been knocking it out of the park thus far.
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    Benson is a star, think Hall Jr.
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    Before we get too excited think of the level of competition they faced last night. I do think Benson is going to be an NHL player there is a long way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Benson is a star, think Hall Jr.
    I think you could be drunk.

    Benson, good chance he never even makes the NHL or sticks for more than a cup of coffee.

    Basically anything from him pales even in comparison to a Ty Rattie.

    Caleb Jones is probably the best looking prospect in these games so far. He's my darkhorse to make noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    Basically anything from him pales even in comparison to a Ty Rattie.


    Why are you comparing players 5 years apart in drafting/development/age? Are you saying that Benson currently pales in comparison to present day Rattie, who is 5 years older? Or Rattie when he was the same age as Benson currently is? Because if you're comparing their current selves to each other, that makes little sense given the big difference in age.

    Interestingly enough, they were drafted in the exact same position in the draft. Benson's numbers in junior weren't as big as Rattie's, but Benson also spent most of his late teens getting operated on, so it's really hard to say what kind of player he's capable of becoming. He was a phenomenal prospect in his junior draft year, but he also physically matured extremely early, so that might be part of why he lit up Bantam hockey.

    I haven't seen Benson play at all, so I can't really comment much on him. But Rattie is a known quantity at this point: an offense only guy who has been tossed aside by a couple NHL teams. Maybe he's finally figured it out, but I doubt he'll be with the team in a year. He's never put up particularly great numbers in the AHL.

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    Josh Morrissey signs with Winterpeg for a 2-year $3.15M deal - that should get the Nurse deal done sooner than later since Morrissey was one of their big comparables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    Basically anything from him pales even in comparison to a Ty Rattie.


    Why are you comparing players 5 years apart in drafting/development/age? Are you saying that Benson currently pales in comparison to present day Rattie, who is 5 years older? Or Rattie when he was the same age as Benson currently is? Because if you're comparing their current selves to each other, that makes little sense given the big difference in age.

    Interestingly enough, they were drafted in the exact same position in the draft. Benson's numbers in junior weren't as big as Rattie's, but Benson also spent most of his late teens getting operated on, so it's really hard to say what kind of player he's capable of becoming. He was a phenomenal prospect in his junior draft year, but he also physically matured extremely early, so that might be part of why he lit up Bantam hockey.

    I haven't seen Benson play at all, so I can't really comment much on him. But Rattie is a known quantity at this point: an offense only guy who has been tossed aside by a couple NHL teams. Maybe he's finally figured it out, but I doubt he'll be with the team in a year. He's never put up particularly great numbers in the AHL.
    I'm saying Rattie was twice as good a junior prospect. Rattie was a star player in the WHl, one of the best. Benson didn't even distinguish in Juniors. Benson was a phenom in Bantam, not recently.

    Why would I be comparing the current selves? I'm comparing what they were out of Junior as an illustration of how tough the NHL is.

    At best at this stage Benson is an AHL player. So many injuries before age 18 commonly sideline player careers and dreams. Which has been big storyline with Benson. One can't wish away the injury history and how much that has cost Benson, It is what it is, his career is probably flatlined because of it.


    but even when Benson wasn't injured in last Junior Season his numbers were still non stellar. Nothing close to Rattie peak in junior.
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    It's still an odd comparison to make. Rattie has, as far as I know, been healthy since he graduated junior and has done nothing much to distinguish himself. It's nice that he was a great player in junior, but that's 5 years behind him. We know he's a mediocre AHL player who had a little over a dozen decent games with the best player on the planet. Benson, on the other hand, has not had a single healthy season since he joined junior, essentially. We know what Rattie is capable of in the AHL and to a lesser extent the NHL: not much. We don't know much of anything about Benson at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It's still an odd comparison to make. Rattie has, as far as I know, been healthy since he graduated junior and has done nothing much to distinguish himself. It's nice that he was a great player in junior, but that's 5 years behind him. We know he's a mediocre AHL player who had a little over a dozen decent games with the best player on the planet. Benson, on the other hand, has not had a single healthy season since he joined junior, essentially. We know what Rattie is capable of in the AHL and to a lesser extent the NHL: not much. We don't know much of anything about Benson at this point.

    Disagree. Much more value in Rattie imo. Some players just get a raw deal sometimes, it happens. Rattie looks like a good pickup and I just mentioned him because at this level he's showing he can play and even on a topline. The only thing might be better at is in two way play. But my take is Benson continues to have injury misfortune.


    Not sure why you think Rattie won't be capable of much. the Oilers are featuring him on topline and so presently think different.


    If I'm a GM I specifically scour the NHL, AHL, world, for players that are good but just didn't stick. The Oilers did that with Rattie, Gravel, Jerabek, and those guys are ready to unpack and are developed. As much stead as drafting gets, in a cap environment the players that you manage to find that have been discarded or cut can be good pieces. In the case of Gravel mostly just a numbers game in LA and crohns which from reports has gone a lot better for Gravel. The point being the #8 D in LA is easily good enough to make our squad.
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    Nurse signs 2-year, $6.4 M contract.
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    Awesome. That's what we needed in terms of his salary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Awesome. That's what we needed in terms of his salary.
    maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but it would also be awesome if it's a reflection of his own assessment of the blue line depth in camp and not wanting to lose ground by holding out and giving them more exposure and time to establish themselves. which would be good news if true and better news if it turns out to be accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Nurse signs 2-year, $6.4 M contract.
    Perfect. Package him and Sekera to Ottawa for Mark Stone. Cripes this GM'ing is easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Nurse signs 2-year, $6.4 M contract.
    Great news. Think Darnell can really turn into a solid D that forwards won't take lightly! (as in dish out some truly Hellacious yet legal hits).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Awesome. That's what we needed in terms of his salary.
    maybe it's wishful thinking on my part but it would also be awesome if it's a reflection of his own assessment of the blue line depth in camp and not wanting to lose ground by holding out and giving them more exposure and time to establish themselves. which would be good news if true and better news if it turns out to be accurate.
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    The Oilers looked good in Vancouver tonight. They attacked better, and came back to defend.
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    Ty Rattie with a fantastic game. Him and Talbot were the best Oilers hands down. Rattie scored 2 goals including a brilliant strip of the backing D and went in and beat the d an Nillson.

    The D the Oil dressed last night weren't any good. Jerabek looked passable. Garrison had a rough outing. Jones is high risk both ways. Had his worst game of the preseason, really looked shaky, but then scores on a very good move to the slot.

    I so much more enjoy seeing Nillson when he is in some other net. Good riddance.
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    Outside of Benning, can't see any of the D that played getting regular time this year.
    Klefbom - Larsson
    Nurse - Benning
    Russell - Bouchard
    ?? Not sure the kid is ready.

    Talbot looked good, thankfully, Pulju much more concise and decisive with the puck as well.

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    ^Well... Russell was on the ice last night as well.
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    ^^^^^
    think about holding out longer for more money...
    look at those vying for blueline spots.
    assess their skills and talent.
    decide holding out gives them too much opportunity to prove their worth.
    sign and return to camp to defend a spot and prove your own worth instead.
    wishful thinking on my part?
    maybe, but good news if that assessment of skills and talent was made like that and better news if that skill and talent assessment turns out to be accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    ^Well... Russell was on the ice last night as well.
    Ah right you are. Russell and Benning then.

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    So tonight’s game says TSN3. It shows it’s on but THE SCHEDULED PROGRAM IS NOT AVAILABLE IN YOUR AREA. What a **** off.

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    It's on SHAW channel 351 - "Oilers TV"
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    Not on Telus. Oilers blackout channel is well black.
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    TSN has the broadcast rights in Manitoba for the Jets. So anyone outside their territory gets blackout.

    I don't have HD so I can't get it on SHAW. But if you do, I believe Centre Ice is free for the pre-season.

    I have to rely on Jack and Bob on CHED to follow the game.

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    Tonight's game? Win.
    Rattie was the star along with Nuge and McJesus.
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    While not the ideal way to watch, most pre-season stuff can be streamed on the Oilers website.

    That first line with McDavid, Nuge, and Rattie is looking pretty decent.

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    Puljujarvi is playing well too. That goal he scored was amazing. I like Koskinen. At 6.7" this guy's a horse.
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    A few views on the team.

    Lucic can't possibly be as bad as he was last season (or can he)

    Talbot looks back to 16-17 form. Very sharp, anticipating well.

    McD looks to be invoking "god mode" mejesus wasn't enough..

    Drai, only one game, but doesn't look fresh. I heard he was working on having more energy but didn't see much of it

    Pulju is definitely playing better.

    Rattie, as I expected, was a solid addition to the team. He's continuing where he left off and then some.

    Gravel, Garrison, Jerabek give us other options. I suspect two will make the team, I think Gravel is the best option.

    Koskinen- Don't really like this one too much for what we are paying the backup. He'll have good games and others where you wonder about the pricetag.

    In anycase the Oilers improved, but is it enough, and other WC teams improved as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    ...Lucic can't possibly be as bad as he was last season (or can he)...

    A Rod Blackism!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    In anycase the Oilers improved, but is it enough, and other WC teams improved as well.



    Really ?

    Where ?

    From what Top_Dawg sees it's the same ol' overpriced and overtermed slugs that finished twenny points out of the playoffs last year.

    Just desperately hoping that McDavid performs two or three miracles every night.

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    Only a sample size of 3 games, but Rattie seems to be settling in beside McDavid just fine.

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    JP has been doing good as well lately scoring 2 goals last outing. Vancouver to their own admission "just played a hockey game." They weren't in it to win it. My beacon of hope for this season shines pretty bright. The taint I have on this team is Lucic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lobbdogg View Post
    While not the ideal way to watch, most pre-season stuff can be streamed on the Oilers website.

    That first line with McDavid, Nuge, and Rattie is looking pretty decent.
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    ^ A full hockey game commercial free on Facebook Live?
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    Only for the preseason. They've done this past years as well. If you go to the Oilers site and it says "Oilers TV" then it'll be streamed. There are only 2 preseason games left; Calgary on Sat, then the game in Germany before the regular season opens against New Jersey in Sweden. I don't like that the Oilers are playing two games overseas, but it's all part of growing the (NHL) game.
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    What a pleasure to watch an Oilers game where fans appear to be having a good time. You tier 1 fans are a terrible bore.

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    It almost makes up for Darren Pang. Just brutal.

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    I know its only the first game and early in the season, but the next 3/4 games on the road if they go anything like this, the Oilers are going to have trouble playing 500 hockey. I'm not in panic mode, yet but my optmisium for this season is slowly fading.
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    This was the 83rd game of the 2017-2018 season. I would fire McLellan at the end of the month unless the team has a winning record.

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    same team coached the same way...

    same start, same middle, same finish.

    not surprising but still disappointing.
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    Their OT win in the last game against guys who mostly playing weekends foreshadowed this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Their OT win in the last game against guys who mostly playing weekends foreshadowed this game.
    I think it did, but the Devils played to OT against Bern, as well. Bern is better than Cologne but not by a considerable amount.

    The Oilers got outworked and outskated most of this game and as usual have several players that deliver inconsistent performances. The Devils had most of a lineup playing well for all but the last several minutes.


    The REAL problem the Oilers have is a lack of Vet leadership. We have nobody in the lineup that is of typical leadership age like Hall, Greene, Palmeiri, Vatanen. Those 4 were all better than our vets. We have bets like Nuge, Strome, Lucic(who actually played well) and Larsson.


    The Oilers vets typically don't do much. It almost always falls to Mcd and DRai and even on 2pt nights for both it wasn't enough to overcome a lineup that is seriously lacking.
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    I didn't watch today's game, but I did watch the prior one against Cologne and it used the larger Euro ice. I assume today's game used NHL-reg dimensions, but then thought I can't assume they can pull the boards in to NHL regs.

    Could be a "Duh!" but did they?
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    ^ I thought there was something odd between where the fans were and that open concrete space at the game this afternoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I didn't watch today's game, but I did watch the prior one against Cologne and it used the larger Euro ice. I assume today's game used NHL-reg dimensions, but then thought I can't assume they can pull the boards in to NHL regs.

    Could be a "Duh!" but did they?
    Yep, they did, it looked kind of silly with all that spare area around the NHL dimension rink, they used the outer ring for some film crew, media, that type of thing. I did a double take first thinking why is there a running track around an arena and then it dawned on me, oh...
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    ^ I thought something similar as well.
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    Watching the Oil Boston game, bad, just shut it off. Down 3-1 in the second and I’m just sad. I’ll check in later and see what happened.....maybe.

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    I thought they played a decent game overall, but unfortunately had 5 minute break down in the 1st with a couple of powerplay goals against. Otherwise it was a reasonably even affair, and I liked that they were playing physical and pushing back. Still not a good result, but certainly a better effort than over in Sweden.

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    Intrigue in Istanbul, still wacky at the White House, *Click* Boston 3, Oilers 1, *Click* Mayhem in Mexico Beach ....
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    I’ve even been there, it’s just se of Panama City out past the stinky pulp mill
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Intrigue in Istanbul, still wacky at the White House, *Click* Boston 3, Oilers 1, *Click* Mayhem in Mexico Beach ....
    see post 43...

    from the journal:

    “We got the early goal but the penalties deflated us,” said Oilers coach Todd McLellan, who was singing the same old sad song last year when the Oilers couldn’t kill one to save their lives and only a rally in the last 20 games or so got them into 25th place. “Then when we did get one (to get back in the game), we took a penalty (Oscar Klefbom slashing on Marchand in alone with Charlie McAvoy in the box). We were sitting in the box, no momentum change.”

    i guess i could add "same rationalization/same lack of accountability".

    on the other hand, they didn't jeapordize their marriott deal by paying attention to the picket lines at their hotel.
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    Things have to pick up pronto or I’m calling for heads to roll. Lowe, PC, Mac and Mc, can the whole works of them. We the people deserve better.

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    And what, replace them with other experienced hockey people who will have their decisions second guessed and hires forced upon them by ownership or former players? Until Katz realizes that he's a terrible fantasy hockey GM and that he and other former players are only hurting the organization by constantly meddling, nothing will substantively change. Speaking of accountability, you can't even hold PC accountable for the state of the team as it currently stands because no one knows how much of it is his doing, or Gretzky's, or Katz's, or Nicholson's, or Lowe's, or Howson's. And I'll reiterate for about the millionth time that any organization that continues to employ Howson and especially Lowe in any capacity deserves to be at the bottom of the league. Nice enough guys, but they were totally incompetent at their jobs, and Lowe went out of his way to insult the majority of the fan base with his comments. Yet both continue to collect their cheques, and in Howson's case, that's after he left for another organization, got fired, and then re-hired by the Oilers. You can't make this stuff up!

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    I'll start watching when the Oilers begin to play 500 hockey. Its early days in the schedule to be sure, but if this team doesn't play 500 hockey by Christmas, they are done for the season. I haven't time to dissect the league's 2018-19 schedule team by team, but has any other team this season started the season with 4 games on the road? I'm sure other teams have just a whacky opening schedule as the Oilers.
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    A more spirited effort, but still not effective. Looking at the schedule and the way the Oilers are playing they will be lucky to get 7 points out of 10 games in October. I don't like waiting to after Christmas to fire TM - that's just wasting another season.

    I don't like using the officiating as an excuse either, but jeez there were some egregious non-calls. Benning gets run from behind, through the glass, and into the first row of seats... no call. Caggiula gets a two-hander to the calves with the the official right there - no call.

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    I’m just really sick of McLellan right now. Just seeing his face and hearing the same old rhetoric. Tired of his terms them and they when it comes to the players. It’s supposed to be “us”, as if we’re all one. I know people don’t think a coaching change is the answer but I think a fresh face with some fresh ideas would help significantly at this time. Another thing I hate is breaking up a good scoring line that actually works great just to try to get another one working. Let the greats continue and figure out ways to improve others without dismantling the great one. Changing players to different lines all the time and never keeping a line together for any length of time has got to hurt the team too. He’s always doing that. I don’t know, just getting tired of the guy. Maybe fire a couple of guys upstairs, move McL up and try a different coach for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    A more spirited effort, but still not effective. Looking at the schedule and the way the Oilers are playing they will be lucky to get 7 points out of 10 games in October. I don't like waiting to after Christmas to fire TM - that's just wasting another season.

    I don't like using the officiating as an excuse either, but jeez there were some egregious non-calls. Benning gets run from behind, through the glass, and into the first row of seats... no call. Caggiula gets a two-hander to the calves with the the official right there - no call.
    And where is the on ice officials accountability?
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    They don't have any. I think the officials should have to do the same press conference the coaches do. Allow the media to ask them questions. If they start being held accountable in a public setting, maybe they'll start doing a better job on ice.
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    The NHL does evaluate refs, and will eventually turf poorly performing ones as well as not giving the crap ones any playoff games etc. There's a bit of accountability there.

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    So...how about them Oilers, eh?
    I say keep the same lineup they had today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    So...how about them Oilers, eh?
    I say keep the same lineup they had today.
    Just keep Benning off the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    The NHL does evaluate refs, and will eventually turf poorly performing ones as well as not giving the crap ones any playoff games etc. There's a bit of accountability there.
    Right, but that's all internal accountability, nothing external. It's like a performance review at work; no one else hears about it. Having the refs made available after the game to explain calls may make them more aware of what happens on the ice because they won't want to be answering for their calls/non-calls after the game.
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    It’s like the police, internal review. Oh no it’s ok, he was just doing his job. It’s a tough job. Go home with a pat on the back. Always ok.

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    Does anyone remember Laurent Brossiot? First star for Winnipeg Jets with 3-1 42 save win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Does anyone remember Laurent Brossiot? First star for Winnipeg Jets with 3-1 42 save win.
    we’ll see if that keeps up. shades of devan dubnyk with a change in coaching?
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    Keep in mind that Dubnyk had put together two good seasons of about 40 starts each prior to MacT's infamous off-season "well if you need to ask the question..." comment about whether he was a starting goaltender that sewered his confidence and ran him out of town. Brossoit hasn't managed to get more than a handful of starts in his stints in the league, and hasn't been great in most of them. NHL history is littered with goalies that came out of nowhere to put up amazing performances or streaks, and then are out of the league within a year or two. That said, Dubnyk was 27/28 when he was run out of town, while Brossoit is 25, so he could well turn in to more than a backup as he's still relatively young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenco View Post
    Does anyone remember Laurent Brossiot? First star for Winnipeg Jets with 3-1 42 save win.
    I believe he had a number of good starts for us as well, his downfall was when he took over for Talbot for a few weeks, did not look confident being thrown into that position. Big difference between being the backup and the starting #1.

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    The old “give the puck to CM and watch him skate up the ice” play seems to be working really well.
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    Really nice to see the Oilers come back to win it in OT, but Nurse blew the "McDavid has to have a point on every goal the Oilers score this season" thing they had going on. That was a great goal, though.
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    The 3rd and ot were sure fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Really nice to see the Oilers come back to win it in OT, but Nurse blew the "McDavid has to have a point on every goal the Oilers score this season" thing they had going on. That was a great goal, though.
    McDavid got the alltime record for most consecutive all pts of a team to start a season but threw it back in the post game interview with seething passion. Something to see, and another reason to love him. he was obviously understating his contribution within the milieu of a team sport. Well done Connor, is there anything this man does not handle with grace?


    I love Darnell Nurse. Nice to see him get such a beautiful goal and its coming. He's getting more and more dangerous with his rushes up ice and its been a work in progress for the last calendar year. Nurse is a hard worker and just another facet he brings. The only downside is I expect Nurse to make the bridge contract look silly. Would have been nice to lock him up. But we couldn't capwise.
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    When I saw 4-1 Jets, went back to the Dodgers-Brewers playoff game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    I love Darnell Nurse. Nice to see him get such a beautiful goal and its coming. He's getting more and more dangerous with his rushes up ice and its been a work in progress for the last calendar year. Nurse is a hard worker and just another facet he brings. The only downside is I expect Nurse to make the bridge contract look silly. Would have been nice to lock him up. But we couldn't capwise.
    I do hope you are right. Just prior to the Nurse goal, I'm ripping him for having little to no offensive acumen. Too many times he does everything right to get to the offensive blue line and either dumps it in, or carries it waaaay too long around the net only to turn it over via bad pass or stripped. But can't fault him on the goal. But what was Hellebuyck thinking??? It's like he was caught flat footed or surprised or something. He's just standing there. Duh, Darnell's options were very limited at that point, a shot on net was pretty much a given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Well done Connor, is there anything this man does not handle with grace?
    No.
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