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    Default The Fall of Another Do As I Say Not As I Do CON - Tony Clement

    "Lapse of Judgment" indeed....

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cle...otos-1.4895295


    I wonder if he took the pictures and videos in one of those Gazebos he built with taxpayer money when he was in the HarperCON government during the G7!

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    I actually think Clement's overall a decent politician/person. He's not from the caveman wing of the Conservatives, anyways. But boy did he step in it with this. I am about the opposite of a public figure, and under no circumstances would I ever send identifiable sexually explicit photos to a long time girlfriend or spouse, let alone some stranger I met on Ashley Madison or some thing along those lines. But a politician doing that is just mind boggling. I haven't seen much detail yet on what happened, how he was lured in etc. It's totally irrelevant, but I can't help but be curious.

    At least he's not leaving secret documents at his ex-biker hang-around girlfriend's place...

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    His constituents are very happy with him
    Like a lot of politicians he made a stupid move, Scheer has booted him out.
    Our own PM groped someone didnt he?

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    You just can't help the whataboutism eh? Have you talked to a mental health professional about your unhealthy fixation on Trudeau?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    You just can't help the whataboutism eh? Have you talked to a mental health professional about your unhealthy fixation on Trudeau?
    I'll do what I like, you keep on doing what you like!
    Have you seen anyone about trolling?

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    So he's been outright booted from caucus now, and Scheer has received reports that this has been a habit of his apparently, not just an isolated incident. The physical resemblance between Clement and Anthony Weiner is just the cherry on top, now.

    “I would say I like all sorts of pictures on Instagram. I’ve never sent unsolicited harassing messages, ever,” Mr. Clement said.
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-of-judgement/

    I must say though, that the comments after that by Kim Fox make little sense to me. It made her and her friends feel uncomfortable that they were getting likes from him? Well then don't have a public profile, or don't approve people to view your private one, or whatever else. What she talks about isn't in the slightest bit harassing or untoward, at least as far as what's said in the article. Clicking "like" isn't the online equivalent of a firm pat on the backside or giving unsolicited back rubs. It's the equivalent of accusing a co-worker of harassment for saying "hi" and smiling as they pass you in the hallway.
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    It was on a late night talk show last might, he was giving likes to young women. ( preferably with long hair).. creepy and a few other things..

    Growing up in the UK, all I knew were kinky politicians..

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    Yeah, he's a totally fine, upstanding Conservative.

    Scheer says Clement no longer a Conservative MP after more allegations arise

    Scheer said Clement brought the matter up with him last week, and that at a face-to-face meeting on Monday he was assured by Clement this was the first and only time he had done such a thing.


    Tony Clement out of Conservative caucus after sending explicit images, video
    "New information became available today that suggests there are allegations that this is not an isolated incident and therefore I've asked Tony to resign from caucus and he has done so," a sombre looking Scheer said.


    That decision came just four hours after Scheer said Clement would remain in the caucus because, while sending such images was a "terrible lapse in judgement," it appeared to be between two consenting adults.


    Scheer wouldn't give specifics about any of the additional allegations that led to Clement's caucus departure but said a party or parliamentary investigation is possible.


    "We have to wait and see what happens in the short term as to what types of complaints are officially raised to obviously respond to that once it happens," he said. "There is a process on Parliament Hill with the human resource officer so that is something that could very well happen."


    Since the news broke, there have been numerous accounts on social media from young women saying Clement had made them feel uncomfortable online, direct messaging them late at night with questionable messages.


    Clement's role on the relatively new national security and intelligence committee of parliamentarians is a particular concern because he was given top level security clearance for it.

    https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/scheer-say...rise-1.4167361

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    More detailed comments by Kim Fox here: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...iour-1.4896383

    My comments above still stand, in light of what she said in that interview. Block him, remove him from your followers, report him, or even send him a message telling him to buzz off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    More detailed comments by Kim Fox here: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...iour-1.4896383

    My comments above still stand, in light of what she said in that interview. Block him, remove him from your followers, report him, or even send him a message telling him to buzz off.
    I wonder why she didn't? Its easy enough to do.

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    Risking your career by chasing skirts. Dumb through and through. Maybe just fly to Costa Rica for a holiday now and then Tony. Haha

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    And it's not the first time he's gone to the police. And he admits that he lied to Scheer that it was only one time. Or did Scheer lie and hope that the other cases wouldn't come to light?

    Clement admits to multiple infidelities, says foreign actors tried to extort him
    Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says he only found out today about a summer incident

    Former Conservative MP Tony Clement, dropped from caucus over a public sexting scandal, is now admitting to multiple cases of "inappropriate exchanges" online and says it was "foreign actors" who tried to financially extort him.


    For the first time, the Ontario MP is also admitting that he had to contact police not once, but twice over online transgressions — calling into question who in official Ottawa and law enforcement circles knew the details of the case, and when.


    In a letter posted to his website on Thursday, one day after Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer asked him to leave the Tory caucus, Clement said that "during a period of personal difficulty and weakness I engaged in inappropriate exchanges that crossed lines that should never have been crossed."


    "These exchanges led to acts of infidelity," he wrote.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cle...tter-1.4897388

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    Tony covered his tracks well. No way Andrew Scheer knew..
    Bye bye Tony!

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Tony covered his tracks well. No way Andrew Scheer knew..
    Bye bye Tony!

    Lack of covering himself and distributing photos online of his genitalia is apparently a small part of the issue.

    jk aside I wouldn't give Scheer any blanket "out" on this one. He adopted a heinous business as usual response to the first incident in a shameful bit of whitewashing. Which only set himself up to be undressed as well when the further reports came in. In short he's at fault for trusting a man's word who had the *judgement* to engage in this behavior.

    I guess the emperors really do have no clothes.
    "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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    Too late for a dressing down.

    but, but, but... what about freedom of expression?

    And “other media of communication“?
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    Much ado about nothing.
    Sorry, he used poor( very poor judgement) Lynne his wife, is standing by Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    And it's not the first time he's gone to the police. And he admits that he lied to Scheer that it was only one time. Or did Scheer lie and hope that the other cases wouldn't come to light?

    Clement admits to multiple infidelities, says foreign actors tried to extort him
    Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says he only found out today about a summer incident

    Former Conservative MP Tony Clement, dropped from caucus over a public sexting scandal, is now admitting to multiple cases of "inappropriate exchanges" online and says it was "foreign actors" who tried to financially extort him.


    For the first time, the Ontario MP is also admitting that he had to contact police not once, but twice over online transgressions — calling into question who in official Ottawa and law enforcement circles knew the details of the case, and when.


    In a letter posted to his website on Thursday, one day after Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer asked him to leave the Tory caucus, Clement said that "during a period of personal difficulty and weakness I engaged in inappropriate exchanges that crossed lines that should never have been crossed."


    "These exchanges led to acts of infidelity," he wrote.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cle...tter-1.4897388

    Scheer should never have believed it was the guys first time. The assumption should be that the person is never caught the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Much ado about nothing.
    Sorry, he used poor( very poor judgement) Lynne his wife, is standing by Jim
    Well, if he broke some laws then it is much ado about something. If his behaviour is perceived as harmful or disrespectful to others or he lied to get an advantage of some sort then I’d say that’s potentially bad too.

    Otherwise I’d say harm no foul.
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    He's the justice critic. He's got high level security clearance. He was on National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians until November 7th. And the fact that he exposed himself (pun intended) to blackmail on numerous occasions is ""Much ado about nothing"?

    Of course H.L. would say that. He's a Conservative. They can do no wrong.

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    In reading the article, particularly the comment below, my thinking was that in retrospect the guy handed a lot of power over his own future to everyone he “followed”. Also, since this is social media I’d have thought all this was very much in the public domain, but I guess I’m wrong there.

    I find the idea of an old guy going after teenagers, even if adults, rather disconcerting, however today’s society is making enormous strides in eliminating intolerance and becoming accepting of all people’s differences in attitudes, identities, cultural differences, sexual orientations, etc., etc., etc. ... so I guess equally there should be nothing seen as being wrong with old people having a thing for young people. If anything it would be my issue, not theirs.

    So I’m not sure if it’s right for young people to call such old creepy guys: creepy. It’s not at all accepting of people’s differences, weird (and worse) as they can be.




    ‘Inappropriate’ but not illegal: Why women Tony Clement followed online are going public | Globalnews.ca


    “It’s not easy to call someone out for sheer “creepiness.” Julie Lalonde, a women’s rights advocate and public educator, attributes that in large part to how people only seem to understand sexual violence and inappropriate behaviour in the context of what is and isn’t legal. A year after #MeToo prompted a wave of stories about sexual assault and harassment, Lalonde says now it’s time to address the fact that seemingly innocuous behaviour can have a deep impact on women — even if it’s not illegal.

    “[If the behaviour is not illegal], does that mean we’re not allowed to be upset about it? Does it mean we’re not allowed to talk about what he’s done? Because I absolutely believe that the reason why women have not spoken about [Clement] prior to this moment is for that exact reason.” ...”


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    “It’s also just plain “creepy,” says Paula Ethans, an articling student in Ottawa and gender equality advocate.

    “The word creepy for women is actually used in a really specific context. We’re intimately engaging with creepiness on a regular basis.”

    You learn to recognize it, Ethans says: the older man who clicks “follow: when you’re in your early 20s, the person who likes a series of weeks-old photos in succession, and the stranger who messages you at 1 a.m.


    “Alarm bells go off.” ...


    https://globalnews.ca/news/4646287/t...stagram-women/
    I imagine that in the past, in some people’s minds “alarm bells” went off when a black girl and a white boy were together. When a Christian and a Muslim, Jew etc dated...

    Is it that the gender equality advocate above, doesn’t believe in age equality.



    The ugly truth about ageism: it's a prejudice targeting our future selves | Life and style | The Guardian

    “ “No prejudice is rational,” says Applewhite. “But with ageism, we have internalised it.
    We have been complicit in our own marginalisation and it will require active consciousness-raising to correct that, just as the women’s movement did. “


    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...-future-selves
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Much ado about nothing.
    Sorry, he used poor( very poor judgement) Lynne his wife, is standing by Jim
    Tells us a lot. Can't even get his name right. Or is there another CON that's going to slither out when more rocks get rolled over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by H.L. View Post
    Much ado about nothing.
    Sorry, he used poor( very poor judgement) Lynne his wife, is standing by Jim
    Tells us a lot. Can't even get his name right. Or is there another CON that's going to slither out when more rocks get rolled over?
    Big yawn eggy! Big Yawn...go tell the groper PM!

    Lynne is standing by HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Maybe his hookups were for threesomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Maybe his hookups were for threesomes.
    You sound jealous ..zing!

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    Sex with a conservative? Not even with your dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Sex with a conservative? Not even with your dick.
    Foul putrid , thats Mr copy and paste.

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    ...



    Tony Clement finds unlikely defender in victims' advocate | CBC News


    'I'm seeing a lot of hypocrisy,' Lalonde says

    On Twitter, Julie Lalonde wrote Wednesday that while Clement appears to have exhibited "creepy" behaviour toward women online, he also appears to have been a victim.

    She also wrote that if Clement were a woman, she doubts people would have reacted to the sexting the same way.


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...tion-1.4896270


    Clement told Conservative official months ago he was contacting police over Instagram account | National Post

    “OTTAWA — As early as this summer, former cabinet minister Tony Clement informed a Conservative Party official that an Instagram account was “spreading lies about him” and that he was contacting the Ontario Provincial Police as a result, according to chief opposition whip Mark Strahl.

    Clement said publicly this week that he went to the RCMP with a report that someone tried to extort money from him after he sent sexually explicit photos and video to a social media account he thought belonged to a consenting woman. ...”


    https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...tagram-account


    After Clement scandal, questions mount about vetting of top secret committee | CBC News

    “Tony Clement's admission that he told Ontario police over the summer that someone was trying to buy "intimate and personal information" he shared online raises questions about the effectiveness of the vetting process for a top-secret parliamentary committee tasked with reviewing the most sensitive work of the nation's security agencies. ...”

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ton...ttee-1.4899250
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    So he told a top Conservative official who either didn't tell Scheer or else Scheer is lying about when he found out about it. And if he told a party official, why didn't he inform the committee?

    And if he were a woman who engaged in the same behaviour, putting themselves at risk of blackmail while holding top security clearance, I most assuredly would hold them to the same standard.

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    Canada's security not at risk because of Clement's actions: Liberals - iPolitics

    https://ipolitics.ca/2018/11/07/cana...ions-liberals/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Canada's security not at risk because of Clement's actions: Liberals - iPolitics

    https://ipolitics.ca/2018/11/07/cana...ions-liberals/
    I never thought it was, nor do I ever want to see Clements junk, or nude pics...eww!

    Thanks KC ( for the link)

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    OK, so it's perfectly OK for him to put himself in a position to be blackmailed. No biggie, eight?

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