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    Or roughly 1/4 of the cost of Trumps' golf trips to his properties.

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    What I can't understand is that Trump spews such lies about the Mueller report, one time praising it "no collusion, no collusion" and then calling it all a witch hunt. Trump flip flops and tells so many lies, it's pathetic.

    It is jaw dropping that 30 or 40 million people gobble up Trump's rhetoric and believe every single word as he tells one lie, then reverses 180 degrees and they believe that too and he then flip flops again and like a bunch of lemmings, they follow him over the proverbial cliff. Are so many people such suckers for his
    BS that they order a smoothie of it and drink his shitt as if it was champagne and ask for seconds. I have a few friends that are ardent Trump supporters who you can't even reason with and their family members wonder as well if they are under some influence of drugs or something that makes them so irrational. It is honestly scary that Trump holds the minds of normally rational people and can manipulate them to believe anything he says like some TV evangelists who ask them to give their life's savings.

    It really is sad to see people who are duped by Trump's propaganda like how people fell under the spell of Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Jim Jones and Charles Manson.

    It is really scary.
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    You ever see “The Invention of Lying” with Ricky Gervais? Some Trump supporters remind me of the people in that movie, believing everything that Gervais’ character says, except now it’s Trump saying it.

    “I had the largest crowd”
    “Donald Trump had the largest crowds”
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    What I can't understand is that Trump spews such lies about the Mueller report, one time praising it "no collusion, no collusion" and then calling it all a witch hunt. Trump flip flops and tells so many lies, it's pathetic.

    It is jaw dropping that 30 or 40 million people gobble up Trump's rhetoric and believe every single word as he tells one lie, then reverses 180 degrees and they believe that too and he then flip flops again and like a bunch of lemmings, they follow him over the proverbial cliff. Are so many people such suckers for his
    BS that they order a smoothie of it and drink his shitt as if it was champagne and ask for seconds. I have a few friends that are ardent Trump supporters who you can't even reason with and their family members wonder as well if they are under some influence of drugs or something that makes them so irrational. It is honestly scary that Trump holds the minds of normally rational people and can manipulate them to believe anything he says like some TV evangelists who ask them to give their life's savings.

    It really is sad to see people who are duped by Trump's propaganda like how people fell under the spell of Franco, Mussolini, Hitler, Jim Jones and Charles Manson.

    It is really scary.
    I understand it - if you repeat a lie often enough, sometimes you can get people to believe it. It doesn't always work, but sometimes it does. I also think Trump's big ego causes him to over react to anything negative said about him, sometimes to the point of appearing more ridiculous by challenging things in an over the top way.

    I think to some extent what people believe about this issue is based on their partisan position and to some extent that may be Trump's best card here. Republicans seem to continue to excuse and put up with all sorts of things from him no other President in the past would have got away with, maybe that vigorous no collusion message is aimed at giving them a justification however flimsy to stick with him.

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    It is one thing to create The Big Lie and they believe the endless lies and propaganda that supports it.

    It is totally another thing where the central lies keep changing and huge masses of people believe the ever changing narrative.

    Mexico will pay for the wall is one example.

    Clearing out the swamp is another. The swamp got deeper, not drained.

    Even the Republicans who are against any tax increases were duped by Trump. The tariffs are a huge tax increase on the US public.

    Trump flip flops on nearly every issue and his followers are in lock step and never question their Emperor who changes his clothes every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    It is one thing to create The Big Lie and they believe the endless lies and propaganda that supports ot.

    It is totally another thing where the central lies keep changing and huge masses of people believe the ever changing narrative.

    Mexico will pay for the wall is one example.

    Clearing out the swamp is another. The swamp got deeper, not drained.

    Even the Republicans who are against any tax increases were duped by Trump. The tariffs are a huge tax increase on the US public.

    Trump flip flops on nearly every issue and his followers are in lock step and never question their Emperor who changes his clothes every day.
    I agree, the rational response to a shifting story for me is to doubt it, but do you really think Trump or his supporters operate that way? Its more of an almost blind loyalty to him and a willingness to overlook anything that does not support their beliefs or what they would like to believe. He turns everything into a huge us vs. them conflict and as they say, the first casualty of war is the truth.

    Repetition of a simple or basic message is powerful and effective, whether truthful or not. Trump may not be a good leader, or even that smart, but I think he understands powerful communication and marketing well and he knows how to appeal to his followers. He's not really quite playing the same game as his political opponents, but I think if they really want to beat him they have to understand him and what he is trying to do and quit thinking about everything in such a rational way. He is not rational and he is not appealing to the logical side of people.

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    Correct, a rational response to a shifting narrative is to doubt it. But instead Trump calls all the Press as fake news while heaping lie after lie and his followers drink the purple koolaid by the gallon.

    If you look at Nazi propaganda, they lied but were consistent in those lies for a decade. It is not like Hitler told the people that he was going to annex Austria or Czechoslovakia and then just increased the tariffs on imported goods. He actually sent in the troops without firing a shot .

    Trump flips 180 degrees in an instant and fails in his boasts and promises. Mexico has not budged one inch on the wall yet Trump could not get funding while his party controlled BOTH the House and Senate and he controlled the WH. Now the Americans will pay for it and Trump has no plan to get Mexico to pay a dime.

    I don't recall Hitler saying that he believed Stalin and disbelieved his own SS, (FBI, CIA ,etc) and even Hitler had to appear to work with von Hindenberg.

    You would have never believed that an American President would take the side of a Russian and be totally supported by Republican conservatives. Can you imagine if Obama or Clinton did that?

    It is a scary place where masses of followers extrude blind loyalty and have ready access to millions of guns.
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    Randy Rainbow does it again



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    George Nader, convicted child porn criminal and associated with Donald Trump. Nader has direct connections the Trump campaign, Russia, Turkey, the Saudis, the UAE and Erik Prince of Blackwater USA.

    George Nader will stay in jail until detention hearing Friday in Virginia
    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/06/06/pol...ing/index.html
    The Mueller report mentions Nader in nearly four dozen footnotes, including references to his interviews with special counsel investigators, and other materials, like his emails and text messages. He helped Mueller fill in the pieces about the infamous Seychelles meeting that brought together Trump supporter Erik Prince and a prominent Russian government banker.
    The rendezvous in the Seychelles also included meetings with senior officials from the United Arab Emirates. Nader has been a longtime adviser to Emirati officials and has served as a diplomatic go-between for years, brokering meetings with powerful leaders around the world.
    From Wiki
    Nader is an adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan of the United Arab Emirates and a consultant to Blackwater founder Erik Prince. In January 2018, special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigators questioned Nader in connection to suspicions that the UAE had been involved with President Trump’s 2016 campaign.[2]

    Nader was sentenced in the 1990s for transporting child pornography publications, and imprisoned in 2003 for sexually abusing 10 boys in the Czech Republic.[3] In June 2019, he was arrested and charged with transporting pornography depicting child sexual abuse and bestiality.
    More wiki
    In August 2016, Nader met with Donald Trump Jr. at Trump Tower offering assistance to his father's presidential campaign.[12] Nader served as an envoy representing Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince and de facto ruler Mohammad bin Salman and Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the Crown Prince of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi. The meeting included Erik Prince and Joel Zamel, an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation[13][12] and owner of intelligence gathering firms including Wikistrat and the Psy-Group, who bragged to have received $2 million from Nader as part of the presidential campaign.[14]

    Nader attended a December 2016 meeting in New York between the United Arab Emirates officials and president-elect Donald Trump's associates Jared Kushner, Michael Flynn, and Steve Bannon.[9] In January 2017 he was at a meeting on the Seychelles islands between the Emiratis and Erik Prince, and was present when Prince met with officials from the UAE and Kirill Dmitriev, head of state-run Russian Direct Investment Fund.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geor..._(businessman)


    This guy had more contacts with Russians than a hooker at a Russian army base.
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    Republican senator says studying Watergate is ‘a total waste of time’ because it happened before his birth
    'The Democrats want to talk about Watergate? I mean this happened before I was born! This is a total waste of time'

    Mr Hawley’s remarks drew backlash from groups like the Centre for American Progress Action Fund, a policy institute that wrote in a tweet: “This would be laughable if it wasn’t so alarming that Republicans will defend Trump at any cost, no matter how nonsensical the argument.”
    https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.am...-a8954266.html

    I guess that this senator thinks that the US Constitution is irrelevant as well and should not be studied because it was written before he was born too.
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    Trump sinks to the lowest moral level and reveals his complete lack of ethics and his Oath of Office.

    Trump says he would 'want to hear' dirt on 2020 rivals from foreign governments, suggests he wouldn't contact FBI from FOX News
    https://www-foxnews-com.cdn.ampproje...-opponents-fbi

    President Trump said he would be willing to listen to foreign governments if they approached him with information on a political rival.

    Trump made the admission during an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, adding that he would not necessarily contact the FBI if such an approach was made. Video from the interview went public Wednesday evening.

    "I think I'd want to hear it... I think you might want to listen, there isn't anything wrong with listening," he said.
    The president continued in the interview: "Somebody comes up and says, ‘hey, I have information on your opponent,' do you call the FBI?

    "I'll tell you what, I've seen a lot of things over my life. I don't think in my whole life I've ever called the FBI. In my whole life. You don't call the FBI. You throw somebody out of your office, you do whatever you do."

    When pressed on the issue by Stephanopoulos, Trump responded: "Oh, give me a break -- life doesn't work that way."
    Republican reaction was swift.


    ...cricket sounds...
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    "Oh, give me a break -- life doesn't work that way."

    THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE DEBATE; Gore Aide Receives, Then Lets Go Of Hot Potato

    A close adviser to Vice President Al Gore said he had received an anonymously mailed package today that involved material designed to prepare Gov. George W. Bush for his debates with Mr. Gore.


    The adviser, former Representative Tom Downey of Long Island, N.Y., said he examined the materials briefly before giving them to his lawyer, who turned them over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation this afternoon. Mr. Downey, who has been helping Mr. Gore prepare for the Bush debates and was standing in for Mr. Bush in mock debates, also said he would recuse himself from any further debate preparation.

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    Mr. Downey said he watched 60 to 90 seconds of the video, and saw Mr. Bush and Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, who is playing Mr. Gore in the mock debates, and another person he did not know.


    ''I looked at it, and I said, 'I shouldn't have this and shouldn't be looking at this,' '' he said. ''I knew that it was serious stuff. I know what ours looks like.''

    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/14/u...ot-potato.html

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    Trump just invited another Russian attack. Mitch McConnell is making one more likely.
    McConnell is blocking election security bills

    There are multiple bills pending with bipartisan support that would do some of these things, as the New York Times reports:


    The bills include a Democratic measure that would send more than $1 billion to state and local governments to tighten election security, but would also demand a national strategy to protect American democratic institutions against cyberattacks and require that states spend federal funds only on federally certified “election infrastructure vendors.” A bipartisan measure in both chambers would require internet companies like Facebook to disclose the purchasers of political ads.


    Another bipartisan Senate proposal would codify cyberinformation-sharing initiatives between federal intelligence services and state election officials, speed up the granting of security clearances to state officials and provide federal incentives for states to adopt paper ballots.


    Meanwhile, another bill would require campaigns to report offers of foreign assistance.


    McConnell will not allow any such bills to reach the Senate floor. House Democrats, to be clear, should respond to Trump’s new remarks by speeding up consideration of their own package of reforms targeted towards shoring up our elections. If the House passes such a package, McConnell won’t allow it to move, but it will renew pressure on him.


    This is the same McConnell, of course, who was asked in 2016 by top intelligence officials to join in bipartisan condemnation of Russian interference on Trump’s behalf, and refused, claiming he would denounce any public condemnation of it as partisan politics.


    We now know beyond any doubt that Trump is inviting and will welcome another outside effort to sabotage our political system. But this would not represent quite as much of a threat, were McConnell not actively making such an effort more likely to be effective.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.f0e29801cdd0
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    ‘The FBI director is wrong!’: Trump openly declares he’d welcome more foreign election help


    Trump insisted that his son did nothing wrong and had no reason to go to the FBI when he was the target of Russian interference efforts.

    Stephanopoulos pointed out that FBI Director Christopher Wray, who Trump appointed, said that someone in Trump Jr.’s circumstances should go to the FBI, and the president’s voice became low and serious.


    “The FBI director is wrong!” said Trump.
    https://www.alternet.org/2019/06/the...election-help/
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    He's always been for sale.

    Trump just put a 'for sale' sign on his forehead

    By putting a "for sale" sign on his forehead -- and indicating that he's open for business when it comes to receiving dirt on his political rivals -- President Donald Trump is encouraging foreign governments to attack his political opponents.


    We know that Russia used various tools to attack Hillary Clinton - and then laundered that stolen information through organizations including WikiLeaks as part of an information warfare campaign. No one, especially the President, who has access to the most sensitive intelligence in the world, can claim ignorance about how Russia attacked Clinton.


    Rather than learning from what happened, Trump is encouraging Russia and potentially others to do more of the same. This opens up every candidate - and perceived Trump rival - to attacks from hostile foreign powers.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/opini...rad/index.html

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    What kind of a politician listens for dirt on his political rivals? I mean, honestly!

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    Trump does and publically invites it.

    "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing."



    30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for-
    (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
    (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
    (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
    (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or


    (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
    http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?r...on:razz:relim)
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    ^^And before you start falsely claiming that the Steele Dossier was the original reason why the FBI began investigating the Trump Campaign or that it initiated the Mueller Investigation, then read the facts.

    Role in the origins of the FBI's Russia investigationAlthough the dossier later became one factor among many in the Russia investigation, it had no role in the start of the investigation. This fact has been the subject of intense discussion and controversy, largely fueled by false claims made by Trump and his supporters.


    In early February 2018, the Nunes memo, written by aides of Republican U.S. Representative Devin Nunes (who was at the time the Chair of the House Intelligence Committee), described that the information on George Papadopoulos "triggered the opening of" the original FBI investigation in late July 2016 into links between the Trump campaign and Russia. In late February 2018, a rebuttal memo by Democrats in the House Intelligence Committee stated that "Christopher Steele's reporting ... played no role in launching the counterintelligence investigation ... In fact, Steele's reporting did not reach the counterintelligence team investigating Russia at FBI headquarters until mid-September 2016, more than seven weeks after the FBI opened its investigation, because the probe's existence was so closely held within the FBI."


    In April 2018, the House Intelligence Committee, then in Republican control, released a final report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential American election, which stated that the House Intelligence Committee found that "in late July 2016, the FBI opened an enterprise CI [counterintelligence] investigation into the Trump campaign following the receipt of derogatory information about foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    What kind of a politician commits treason?
    Just the Trump type.

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    Of course, they're just going to ignore it and cry "Fake news!"

    Kellyanne Conway Should Be Fired for Hatch Act Violations, Federal Agency Concludes
    The White House, in turn, accused the OSC of violating Conway’s constitutional rights.

    A federal watchdog agency on Thursday recommended that Kellyanne Conway be “removed from federal service” over her repeated violations of the Hatch Act, a law that bars federal employees from making political remarks with the purpose of influencing an election.


    “Ms. Conway’s violations, if left unpunished, would send a message to all federal employees that they need not abide by the Hatch Act’s restrictions,” the Office of the Special Counsel said in a statement. “Her actions thus erode the principal foundation of our democratic system—the rule of law.”

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ncy-concludes/


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    Last week:
    Trump; "No collusion, no collusion!"

    This week:
    Trump; "I need more collusion! Send me your political dirt , I will listen and pay for it, I need to save my ***, please collude with me, I need more dirty tricks!"
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    Don't worry Trump, the GOP has your back. They just green lighted you next collusion with foreign countries so give Putin the news.

    Senate GOP blocks bill to require campaigns report foreign election assistance

    Senate Republicans blocked legislation on Thursday that would force campaigns to notify the Federal Election Commission and the FBI about attempts by foreign national to influence an election.

    Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, tried to pass the Foreign Influence Reporting in Elections (FIRE) Act by unanimous consent.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...reign-election
    "This legislation is pretty simple, even for this body, it would require any presidential campaign that receives offers of assistance from an agent of a foreign government, has an obligation to report that offer of assistance to law enforcement, specifically the FBI," Warner said from the Senate floor.
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