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    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.
    maybe i missed something somewhere??? who said or posted any of those things???
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    KC believes that Kenney thinks that we're easy marks because we won't play hardball with environmentalists like Putin does. He also draws the comparison to drug lords.

    Notice that I'm not saying that KC believes this, simply that he believes these ideas are what motivated Kenney to say what he found instructional.

    What I was using is called satire.

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    So I believe Kenney’s message wasn’t, or wasn’t just, that dictatorships are efficiently blocking protests and so developing or maintaining their economies but it was that we are easy marks, easy wins, for environmental protest groups. As such Russia sells its oil and we take on many extra billions in debt because we can’t sell our oil.


    In a sense it’s: no good deed goes unpunished. Open societies have to compete against dictatorships. The good deed of human rights suffers the punishment that the human rights abusers get to take advantage of the societies honouring and working out human rights issues. Just like drug lords and other crooks becoming incredibly rich and powerful (even politically powerful) off the back of societies that won’t or can’t play hardball to bring them down.

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    aaah...

    got it. now you know what kc thinks too because one of the voices called satire told you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.
    “...environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks...” - kkozoriz

    I don’t know why you would even think such a thing. There’s no way that environmentalists are morally equivalent to crooks and drug lords. Saying they are means you have a deplorable and reprehensible mind. (See I can play dumb as a fence post too.)

    BTW I was just reading a child psychology book today where the author mentioned our young children tend to only see things in black and white terms. As they grow up and their brains mature they start to understand all the greyness in the world - except where children have autism etc. Then I heard Rick Mercer on the radio say how when he was young everything seemed black and white and as he aged he saw that the world was really a whole lot of grey.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    The point is, every organization is under pressure (internal or external) to accomplish something - some goal. So they often go after the “low hanging fruit” first. The easy or safe win. “The easy mark”.

    The dictatorship’s get [to] use force etc to prevent protest. The democracies therefore become by default the only place that change is attainable. The irony is that whole rights and other types of battles are taking place in the open societies no one is putting those situations in the broader perspective. This is fine until the dictatorships gain advantage because of the uneven playing field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.
    “...environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks...” - kkozoriz

    I don’t know why you would even think such a thing. There’s no way that environmentalists are morally equivalent to crooks and drug lords.
    You're right. Kenney doesn't think that environmentalists are the equivalent of drug lords and crooks. He's not holding hearings to try and shut down drug lords and crooks.

    It appears he thinks that they're worse. Where's the attacks on freedom of expression and freedom of association for drug lords and crooks?

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    So I believe Kenney’s message wasn’t, or wasn’t just, that dictatorships are efficiently blocking protests and so developing or maintaining their economies but it was that we are easy marks, easy wins, for environmental protest groups. As such Russia sells its oil and we take on many extra billions in debt because we can’t sell our oil.


    In a sense it’s: no good deed goes unpunished. Open societies have to compete against dictatorships. The good deed of human rights suffers the punishment that the human rights abusers get to take advantage of the societies honouring and working out human rights issues. Just like drug lords and other crooks becoming incredibly rich and powerful (even politically powerful) off the back of societies that won’t or can’t play hardball to bring them down.
    So what's the solution? Play the same game as Russia does? Admit that supporting human rights is often the harder road to take? Try to find a solution between them? Perhaps go after some human rights and not others?

    Let's not forget that China, no paragon of virtue when it comes to human rights, is a big supporter of the pipeline to the coast and that Jason Kenny just gave them (along with other corporations, a nice, big tax cut. So rewards for the bad actors and judicial inquiries for environmentalists?

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    “So what's the solution?”

    Downsize everything possible. Raise taxes to build stability and pay down debt before it rolls at potential far higher rates. Raise taxes on profits leaving Alberta. Cut salaries. Stop borrowing. Stop acting like oil and gas are going to return Alberta to boom time conditions. Start living within our now dramatically reduced means. Spend locally. Introduce a tax regime less dependent on resource development. Ty to resolve the pipeline issues to enable Alberta to earn a decent return on the already built resource extraction plants. Restrict future development unless the means of export generates a profit. Forget the social license approach as the environmentalists totally ignored those efforts. Reduce our own resource consumption wherever reasonable based on logical assessments including environmental concerns. ...
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    Or just raid the Heritage Trust Fund and give out cheques of $400 in Kenney Kash
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Or just raid the Heritage Trust Fund and give out cheques of $400 in Kenney Kash
    the ralph bucks were stupid but at least they could be spent on anything feel good you chose as opposed to the energy rebates which could only be spent on what the government chose to make them feel good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    “So what's the solution?”

    Downsize everything possible. Raise taxes to build stability and pay down debt before it rolls at potential far higher rates. Raise taxes on profits leaving Alberta. Cut salaries. Stop borrowing. Stop acting like oil and gas are going to return Alberta to boom time conditions. Start living within our now dramatically reduced means. Spend locally. Introduce a tax regime less dependent on resource development. Ty to resolve the pipeline issues to enable Alberta to earn a decent return on the already built resource extraction plants. Restrict future development unless the means of export generates a profit. Forget the social license approach as the environmentalists totally ignored those efforts. Reduce our own resource consumption wherever reasonable based on logical assessments including environmental concerns. ...
    And what about the judicial inquiry into the environmental groups? Keep it? Scrap it? Expand it to groups that oppose eating meat as ranching and animal based farming is a big part of the economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    “So what's the solution?”

    Downsize everything possible. Raise taxes to build stability and pay down debt before it rolls at potential far higher rates. Raise taxes on profits leaving Alberta. Cut salaries. Stop borrowing. Stop acting like oil and gas are going to return Alberta to boom time conditions. Start living within our now dramatically reduced means. Spend locally. Introduce a tax regime less dependent on resource development. Ty to resolve the pipeline issues to enable Alberta to earn a decent return on the already built resource extraction plants. Restrict future development unless the means of export generates a profit. Forget the social license approach as the environmentalists totally ignored those efforts. Reduce our own resource consumption wherever reasonable based on logical assessments including environmental concerns. ...
    And what about the judicial inquiry into the environmental groups? Keep it? Scrap it? Expand it to groups that oppose eating meat as ranching and animal based farming is a big part of the economy?
    first you told us what KC thought.

    then you asked KC.

    now KC's fairly detailed response isn't broad enough as well as apparently not being detailed enough for you.

    why don't you ask whether brown shoes are okay with a blue suit while you're at it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Or just raid the Heritage Trust Fund and give out cheques of $400 in Kenney Kash
    the ralph bucks were stupid but at least they could be spent on anything feel good you chose as opposed to the energy rebates which could only be spent on what the government chose to make them feel good.
    They were also given out to all Albertans. As far as I know that’s never happened before and probably won’t happen ever again. The proceeds of selling public resources always seem to go to one group or another. As we’ve learned, treating all citizens equally with their own resources is just seen as totally unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    “So what's the solution?”

    Downsize everything possible. Raise taxes to build stability and pay down debt before it rolls at potential far higher rates. Raise taxes on profits leaving Alberta. Cut salaries. Stop borrowing. Stop acting like oil and gas are going to return Alberta to boom time conditions. Start living within our now dramatically reduced means. Spend locally. Introduce a tax regime less dependent on resource development. Ty to resolve the pipeline issues to enable Alberta to earn a decent return on the already built resource extraction plants. Restrict future development unless the means of export generates a profit. Forget the social license approach as the environmentalists totally ignored those efforts. Reduce our own resource consumption wherever reasonable based on logical assessments including environmental concerns. ...
    And what about the judicial inquiry into the environmental groups? Keep it? Scrap it? Expand it to groups that oppose eating meat as ranching and animal based farming is a big part of the economy?
    first you told us what KC thought.

    then you asked KC.

    now KC's fairly detailed response isn't broad enough as well as apparently not being detailed enough for you.

    why don't you ask whether brown shoes are okay with a blue suit while you're at it?
    Asking about what he'd do about the inquiry a problem with you?

    Do you believe that only people who support UCP policy should have the right to free speech and association? Legal funding from outside sources is bad if it opposes government policy but money from China, a paragon of virtue, should be welcomed with open arms and even rewarded with a corporate tax cut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    So environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks?

    That we should ignore human rights because there's countries that don't recognize them?

    Great. Let's race dictatorships and other bad actors to the bottom.

    North Korea uses their citizens as slave labour. It's not fair that Alberta requires that people be paid for their work.
    “...environmentalists are morally equivalent to drug lords and other crooks...” - kkozoriz

    I don’t know why you would even think such a thing. There’s no way that environmentalists are morally equivalent to crooks and drug lords. Saying they are means you have a deplorable and reprehensible mind. (See I can play dumb as a fence post too.)

    BTW I was just reading a child psychology book today where the author mentioned our young children tend to only see things in black and white terms. As they grow up and their brains mature they start to understand all the greyness in the world - except where children have autism etc. Then I heard Rick Mercer on the radio say how when he was young everything seemed black and white and as he aged he saw that the world was really a whole lot of grey.

    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    The point is, every organization is under pressure (internal or external) to accomplish something - some goal. So they often go after the “low hanging fruit” first. The easy or safe win. “The easy mark”.

    The dictatorship’s get [to] use force etc to prevent protest. The democracies therefore become by default the only place that change is attainable. The irony is that whole rights and other types of battles are taking place in the open societies no one is putting those situations in the broader perspective. This is fine until the dictatorships gain advantage because of the uneven playing field.
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    'Mental rigidity' at root of intense political partisanship on both left and right, study finds -- ScienceDaily
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    “People who identify more intensely with a political tribe or ideology share an underlying psychological trait: low levels of cognitive flexibility, according to a new study.”

    “ "While political animosity often appears to be driven by emotion, we find that the way people unconsciously process neutral stimuli seems to play an important role in how they process ideological arguments."

    "Those with lower cognitive flexibility see the world in more black-and-white terms, and struggle with new and different perspectives. The more inflexible mind may be especially susceptible to the clarity, certainty, and safety frequently offered by strong loyalty to collective ideologies," she said.


    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0829081401.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
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    “So what's the solution?”

    Downsize everything possible. Raise taxes to build stability and pay down debt before it rolls at potential far higher rates. Raise taxes on profits leaving Alberta. Cut salaries. Stop borrowing. Stop acting like oil and gas are going to return Alberta to boom time conditions. Start living within our now dramatically reduced means. Spend locally. Introduce a tax regime less dependent on resource development. Ty to resolve the pipeline issues to enable Alberta to earn a decent return on the already built resource extraction plants. Restrict future development unless the means of export generates a profit. Forget the social license approach as the environmentalists totally ignored those efforts. Reduce our own resource consumption wherever reasonable based on logical assessments including environmental concerns. ...
    And what about the judicial inquiry into the environmental groups? Keep it? Scrap it? Expand it to groups that oppose eating meat as ranching and animal based farming is a big part of the economy?
    first you told us what KC thought.

    then you asked KC.

    now KC's fairly detailed response isn't broad enough as well as apparently not being detailed enough for you.

    why don't you ask whether brown shoes are okay with a blue suit while you're at it?
    Asking about what he'd do about the inquiry a problem with you?

    Do you believe that only people who support UCP policy should have the right to free speech and association? Legal funding from outside sources is bad if it opposes government policy but money from China, a paragon of virtue, should be welcomed with open arms and even rewarded with a corporate tax cut?
    no. and that wasn't really what you were doing. you were deflecting from, ignoring and belittling the answer you had asked for by asking another.

    no. even you have the right to say whatever you want. which doesn't mean any of it make sense or that it is right even though you have the right.

    no. although that is such a convoluted conflated and confusing set of assumptions rolled up into a run-on sentence almost long enough for me to proud of. maybe keep things to one voice at a time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    “So what's the solution?”

    Downsize everything possible. Raise taxes to build stability and pay down debt before it rolls at potential far higher rates. Raise taxes on profits leaving Alberta. Cut salaries. Stop borrowing. Stop acting like oil and gas are going to return Alberta to boom time conditions. Start living within our now dramatically reduced means. Spend locally. Introduce a tax regime less dependent on resource development. Ty to resolve the pipeline issues to enable Alberta to earn a decent return on the already built resource extraction plants. Restrict future development unless the means of export generates a profit. Forget the social license approach as the environmentalists totally ignored those efforts. Reduce our own resource consumption wherever reasonable based on logical assessments including environmental concerns. ...
    And what about the judicial inquiry into the environmental groups? Keep it? Scrap it? Expand it to groups that oppose eating meat as ranching and animal based farming is a big part of the economy?
    first you told us what KC thought.

    then you asked KC.

    now KC's fairly detailed response isn't broad enough as well as apparently not being detailed enough for you.

    why don't you ask whether brown shoes are okay with a blue suit while you're at it?
    Asking about what he'd do about the inquiry a problem with you?

    Do you believe that only people who support UCP policy should have the right to free speech and association? Legal funding from outside sources is bad if it opposes government policy but money from China, a paragon of virtue, should be welcomed with open arms and even rewarded with a corporate tax cut?
    no. and that wasn't really what you were doing. you were deflecting from, ignoring and belittling the answer you had asked for by asking another.

    no. even you have the right to say whatever you want. which doesn't mean any of it make sense or that it is right even though you have the right.

    no. although that is such a convoluted conflated and confusing set of assumptions rolled up into a run-on sentence almost long enough for me to proud of. maybe keep things to one voice at a time?
    Seeing as the request for a solution to the question of the inquiry came directly from Kenney's declaration that Russias actions were "instructional", I fail to see how asking about it is "deflecting".

    But, let's keep up the "investigation" while gladly accepting more money from China, the US and others. "Money supporting causes on the left = BAD! Money supporting causes on the right = GOOD!" . After all, money is what the Alberta Advantage is all about, not quality of life. Maybe we should try to expand our oilsands tourism. How about luxury hotels overlooking the open pit mines? it could rival Banff!

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    I thought the "instructional" comment was directed at the activists and not the countries actions... i.e.: how activist groups will protest where it is easy to do so, not necessarily where it is best to do so.

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    So kkozoriz, what is your proposed solution? Details please.

    I sure don’t mind loads of peaceful protests, legal challenges, revamping regulations to honour past commitments, rights, etc. I don’t mind personally paying higher taxes, cuts to my pensions, etc. Nonetheless we are now in a situation where asset sales (aka royalties) don’t come close to matching our expenses supporting the quality of life we currently enjoy.

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    Restore royalties to the Heritage fund.
    Bring in a sales tax.
    Any financial aid to energy projects to be taken as an ownership stake.
    Upgrade bitumen within Alberta. Stop exports of the lowest value products.
    End the judicial inquiry into environmental groups. As long as they are operating within the law, the government should not be attempting to censor free speech.
    Put an end to the "war room". Do we really need a ministry of propaganda? Particularly one that the largest newspaper newspaper chain in the country was eager to be part of.
    Reinstate the carbon tax in order to keep the decisions on how it is utilized in Alberta.
    Cancel the UCP corporate tax cuts.
    Establish green belts around the largest cities in the province and put limitations on residential development on agricultural land.
    Require companies to put up a bond to cover the cost of decommissioning oil and gas wells when they are taken out of production to prevent the costs being passed onto the province.
    Do something similar with the oilsands for remediation of the open pit mines.

    That's a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Restore royalties to the Heritage fund.
    Bring in a sales tax.
    Any financial aid to energy projects to be taken as an ownership stake.
    Upgrade bitumen within Alberta. Stop exports of the lowest value products.
    End the judicial inquiry into environmental groups. As long as they are operating within the law, the government should not be attempting to censor free speech.
    Put an end to the "war room". Do we really need a ministry of propaganda? Particularly one that the largest newspaper newspaper chain in the country was eager to be part of.
    Reinstate the carbon tax in order to keep the decisions on how it is utilized in Alberta.
    Cancel the UCP corporate tax cuts.
    Establish green belts around the largest cities in the province and put limitations on residential development on agricultural land.
    Require companies to put up a bond to cover the cost of decommissioning oil and gas wells when they are taken out of production to prevent the costs being passed onto the province.
    Do something similar with the oilsands for remediation of the open pit mines.

    That's a start.
    Carbon tax, sales tax plus higher corp taxes. Ok so that might help make up for some of the revenue shortfall. Or would you have it make up all of the shortfall?

    Some thoughts:

    Do we keep borrowing until the longer term objectives are in place?

    Where does the money come from to pay for the upgraders? How do we export the upgraded product?

    Stopping exports of the lowest value products cuts revenues until high value products can be made and matched with markets.

    The war on plastics (single use, straws...) though may mean you’re up against environmental attacks, regulatory changes and legal challenges.

    The war room is free speech. Just one more source in an ocean of opinions, spin and the odd fact.
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    Should Alberta Have Higher Taxes? - Alberta Views - The Magazine for Engaged Citizens


    “Alberta’s taxes are too low. For decades Alberta’s government under the PCs bragged about having Canada’s lowest taxes. More bizarrely, the NDP government continues to profess the “Alberta Advantage”—$11-billion to $21-billion less tax revenue than other provinces’ tax regimes would generate in Alberta. But the province’s tax revenue has never covered the cost of its public services, not even in the 1990s, when Klein cut the public sector by an unsustainable 20–25 per cent. Alberta’s budgets have only ever been balanced (or in surplus) by adding non-renewable resource revenues. This is clearly not a sustainable plan over the long run.”


    https://albertaviews.ca/alberta-higher-taxes/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Should Alberta Have Higher Taxes? - Alberta Views - The Magazine for Engaged Citizens


    “Alberta’s taxes are too low. For decades Alberta’s government under the PCs bragged about having Canada’s lowest taxes. More bizarrely, the NDP government continues to profess the “Alberta Advantage”—$11-billion to $21-billion less tax revenue than other provinces’ tax regimes would generate in Alberta. But the province’s tax revenue has never covered the cost of its public services, not even in the 1990s, when Klein cut the public sector by an unsustainable 20–25 per cent. Alberta’s budgets have only ever been balanced (or in surplus) by adding non-renewable resource revenues. This is clearly not a sustainable plan over the long run.”


    https://albertaviews.ca/alberta-higher-taxes/
    we should have started with a harmonized sales tax a very long time ago.

    maybe we should start a "magazine for enraged citizens" until we wake up and get there?
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    I wouldn't mind a Provincial sales tax as long as its revenue neutural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    I wouldn't mind a Provincial sales tax as long as its revenue neutural.
    there's not much point in trying to make it "revenue neutral" when it's a recognition that our provincial revenues without one will continue to have a structural deficit...
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    At least by having a sales tax revenue neutral would be a less of a pill to swallow.
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    If it’s not on groceries it’s fine, we need it. Going deeper into debt and continually cutting services has to end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    If it’s not on groceries it’s fine, we need it. Going deeper into debt and continually cutting services has to end.
    the only sensible - and the quickest - way to implement it would be a harmonized sales tax where it would have the same exemptions as the federal gst ( https://www.thebalancesmb.com/what-g...-rated-2948159 ). done that way, there would be no additional provincial infrastructure required nor would it require any additional investment or software changes by business other than changing the percentage charged to include the two amounts (federal and provincial).
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    There is zero chance of Albertans voting for a party that advocates for a sales tax. The only way it could be implemented would be for the NDP or some other left of centre party to get into power and bring it in. Then, after they're defeated in the next election after the UCP (or equivalent) screams bloody murder about it, the same conservative government says that it's necessary to keep it in place as a temporary measure because the previous government left the books in such a mess. After time, temporary would become grudgingly permanent.

    So, mid 22nd century or thereabouts at the earliest.

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    Zero chance except through a dictatorial, autocratic, imperial implementation then deceit thereafter.

    So otherwise we’re all clueless morons wistfully dreaming of life in some airy fairy authoritarian world of our own design where we wave our magic wands and override what the majority of voters want. Might as well have said the Alberta fiscal solution was to raise global oil prices well over $100/bbl.

    So again what is the solution in a real world respectful or cognizant of the majority’s desires? Strike sales tax. Strike the provincial carbon tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    If it’s not on groceries it’s fine, we need it. Going deeper into debt and continually cutting services has to end.
    No it doesn’t. However if we want to stop getting into debt, we face a massive cutting of services. The NDP borrowed to maintain those services.
    Last edited by KC; 18-09-2019 at 07:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Zero chance except through a dictatorial, autocratic, imperial implementation then deceit thereafter.

    So otherwise we’re all clueless morons wistfully dreaming of life in some airy fairy authoritarian world of our own design where we wave our magic wands and override what the majority of voters want. Might as well have said the Alberta fiscal solution was to raise global oil prices well over $100/bbl.

    So again what is the solution in a real world respectful or cognizant of the majority’s desires? Strike sales tax. Strike the provincial carbon tax.
    The implementation doesn't have to be dictatorial, autocratic or imperial but it would need to be deceitful. What do you consider the odds are of a party being elected to power that runs on a platform of "I'm going to bring in a sales tax?". Deceit by omission to implement followed by deceit through untruth to keep it by the next government.

    You're more likely to get elected by promising to cut taxes while not cutting services, which we know totally works as an economic system.

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