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    I'm gonna guess a 78-point season this year.
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    For the team? Or for RNH?

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    For the team!
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    Squeak into the playoffs (clinch in final 5 games), then 3rd round exit.

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    91 points, but no playoffs.
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    Oilers first game tonight against the Jets!!! Yahoooo

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    ^ Buy a ticket for cheap. You might be able to see McDavid or Patrick Lalime or Kyle Connor play tonight!

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    No McD, Drai, Smith or Koskinen, but Neal-Nuge-Gagner are the top line tonight and I believe Nygard, Bouchard, Sheahan are in. Should be fun!
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    Yep. Hockey is back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    ^ Buy a ticket for cheap. You might be able to see McDavid or Patrick Lalime or Kyle Connor play tonight!
    That would be something to see Patrick Lalime play tonight

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    ^
    OK. Patrik Laine!

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    Oilers beat Winnipeg 2-0!
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    Bouch, Persson, and Nygard looked really good. Solid all around. Nygard is a pest and isn't afraid to get into the tough areas.

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    James Neal. hmmm, you never know, maybe we got lucky.

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    It looked like Neal/Nuge/Gagner had some good chemistry. Quite a few shifty little passes and they were generally right on the tape. I wouldn't be surprised if he pots 20+ this year. That said 1 game is quite a narrow view.

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    Canucks 6 - Oilers 1 @ Rogers Place tonight. 🤢 Yuck

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    Koskinen doesn't seem to read plays well.
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    It's pre-season, so I wouldn't worry too much about the result. Koskinen getting beaten on the second shot glove side, and again on the second goal, is definitely a concern however. He looked brutal.

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    It seemed like the Canucks had their stars out while the Oilers were mostly the farm boys

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    I wonder how hard Koskinen worked over the summer.
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    Good thing we locked down this hot hand for three years at $4.5m per. A steal!
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    Tyler Benson, Caleb Jones sent back down. Gambardella, Malone placed on waivers to be sent down. A bunch of others too., Still at least 10 cuts to go.

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    Oilers win 5-3 in Winnipeg tonight! This is my guess for the opening night roster:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian
    Nygard-Nuge-Neal
    Gagner-Cave-Chiasson
    Khaira-Sheahan-Archibald

    Jurco, Russell

    Nurse-Larsson
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    Smith
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    Persson is injured, Bear is taking his place with Klefbom. Benning is likely the RD on the 3rd pairing.

    Oh hey there Markus Granlund! You too, Brandon Manning.
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    Reider and Lucic score for the godless Flames because who else?
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    ...and Reider doesn’t pot just one goal, but two! The flaming C must feel great on ones chest. It’s magical.
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    A lot of the Oiler regulars are out. I think the Oilers need to trim the roster by four before Wednesday.
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    I got'em at between 82-90 points, no playoffs, unless their goaltending has a .915-.920 year.

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    I could see the Oilers making a desperation trade for a new goalie by the end of November.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    I could see the Oilers making a desperation trade for a new goalie by the end of November.
    Koskinen doesn't seem to have improved from last season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodmanza View Post
    I got'em at between 82-90 points, no playoffs, unless their goaltending has a .915-.920 year.
    Smith would have to go on a tear (I can't see koskinen doing it) and secondary scoring from NEal, Nygard, Jurco would have to be pretty healthy for them to make the playoffs.
    Possible but unlikely.

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    Night 1 of our cup run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Night 1 of our cup run.
    and how many years are you projecting that cup run to take?

    on the other hand, at least until the games that start at 5:00 this afternoon are completed, we're still tied for number one overall in the league.
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    It makes sense when you realize that we're running from the cup, not toward it.
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    Oilers win the season opener! Plan the parade!
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    Larsson’s injured. Looks like Bouchard could be called up.

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    Quite a game on hockey night in Canada 🇨🇦. 6-5 Oilers over LA. The Real Deal James Neal with two goals and almost a hat trick. This game kept me on the edge of my seat.

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    This was the best Oilers game in years.

    Normally I'm a purist and love solid D play and tight games.

    But as long as a team is playing a smart counter game, and working transition well, and adhering to some aspects of coaching I like it.

    Tippet has never had toys like this to play with before and theres going to be more GF than people expect.

    The team is really working quick counters and were running over the Kings using the same kind of game LA used to bring.

    Still some passengers. Khaira particularly is working his way off the team and is in trouble.

    Holland has brought in some good cheap depth here. He's really done wonders considering the roster he started with, how many changes were needed, and how tight the cap was.
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    ^I think Cave could be a #13 or #14 once Sheahan recovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    This was the best Oilers game in years.
    I only caught the third period, but it was fun to watch the team battle back repeatedly, and get the win. Some of the new Oilers made an impression as well. With that said, this team, or the past iterations of the team, have let me down so many times that I’m not getting that excited.
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    Could have done without the Smith adventures in puckhandling, but the team battled to get the W on a night where defensively at least they were not on their A game.

    However, that right side of Bear/Persson in the Top 4 can sure move the puck a lot better than even Larsson/Russell or Benning can.

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    James Neal scores four goals against the islanders. Holy #%€~_!?+*}’

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    Well holy crap indeed.
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    Looks like Calgary could be eating crow.
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    The Real Steal James Neal.

    He could easily get 25+ goals this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    This was the best Oilers game in years.
    I only caught the third period, but it was fun to watch the team battle back repeatedly, and get the win. Some of the new Oilers made an impression as well. With that said, this team, or the past iterations of the team, have let me down so many times that I’m not getting that excited.
    Excited yet?

    WE beat a top defensive team in their barn, chased their goalie, piled 5 goals in to win going away and James the Real Deal Neal scores 4.

    The scoreline flattered the Islanders. They were never really in the game and don't know what hit them.

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    ^I didn’t see the game, but like the score. I’ll be excited once we lock up a playoff spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    Looks like Calgary could be eating crow.
    More like eating Pterodactyl! Watching the Flamers intermission 'tarded hosts banter about "Neal NOT being a TOP 6 forward and not getting enough ice time" while he was with them, as an excuse?! WTF?! Whose fault was that....plus the fact they were praising Lucic last night. My GAWD - he looks worse now then he did with us.....what a terrible, terrible player.....;

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    I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Lucic is not even an everyday NHL player at this point. And it's more about his inability to make plays than it is his skating, although that's not great either. Even with a ton of PP time on the Oilers he couldn't manage to put any points up other than his first season (and PP points were half his point total that year), primarily because he has no hands, no vision, and too slow of a release even though his shot does seem to be heavy.

    It's hilarious how the narrative around him is near-exactly the same as it was when the Oilers signed him, with the only difference is that everyone now knows he won't produce any offense. So, congrats on your 6 million dollar, 6 minute a night enforcer Calgary! They're in love with his toughness, but the honeymoon will be over by December at the latest.

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    Yup!!!! Funny.....over at SSP they are praising that he "spurred the Flamers 3rd period come back." Too funny.....he didn't spur anything...he got ****** for being hit..that's all....I'm going on record and saying he is the "worst player in the NHL" right now.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Lucic is not even an everyday NHL player at this point. And it's more about his inability to make plays than it is his skating, although that's not great either. Even with a ton of PP time on the Oilers he couldn't manage to put any points up other than his first season (and PP points were half his point total that year), primarily because he has no hands, no vision, and too slow of a release even though his shot does seem to be heavy.

    It's hilarious how the narrative around him is near-exactly the same as it was when the Oilers signed him, with the only difference is that everyone now knows he won't produce any offense. So, congrats on your 6 million dollar, 6 minute a night enforcer Calgary! They're in love with his toughness, but the honeymoon will be over by December at the latest.
    The only reason Calgary can be "comfortable" with this trade is the fact that their owners saved actual money on the deal. That's it. As a hockey trade, it's an obvious loss.

    If they actually do value Lucic's intangibles, if they actually think "grit" and "flexing muscles" and "penalty minutes" help win games despite obvious skill deficits, then... well thank f_cking Christ that idiots like that exist for Ken Holland to exploit.

    Relatedly, this Eric Francis column is hilarious: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...-flames-hoped/
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    Didn't know this was part of the deal:

    "A Neal resurgence would certainly help the Flames personnel-wise as hitting the 21-goal mark would land Calgary a third-round draft pick this summer, as long as he outscores Lucic by at least 10."

    Interesting. Clearly, CGY knew he had an off year. I think it's safe to say he'll outscore Lucic by at least 10.

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    Yeah, and I think that 3rd rounder is a very trivial price to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
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    I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Lucic is not even an everyday NHL player at this point. And it's more about his inability to make plays than it is his skating, although that's not great either. Even with a ton of PP time on the Oilers he couldn't manage to put any points up other than his first season (and PP points were half his point total that year), primarily because he has no hands, no vision, and too slow of a release even though his shot does seem to be heavy.

    It's hilarious how the narrative around him is near-exactly the same as it was when the Oilers signed him, with the only difference is that everyone now knows he won't produce any offense. So, congrats on your 6 million dollar, 6 minute a night enforcer Calgary! They're in love with his toughness, but the honeymoon will be over by December at the latest.
    The only reason Calgary can be "comfortable" with this trade is the fact that their owners saved actual money on the deal. That's it. As a hockey trade, it's an obvious loss.

    If they actually do value Lucic's intangibles, if they actually think "grit" and "flexing muscles" and "penalty minutes" help win games despite obvious skill deficits, then... well thank f_cking Christ that idiots like that exist for Ken Holland to exploit.

    Relatedly, this Eric Francis column is hilarious: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...-flames-hoped/
    Yeah funny as in this Eric Francis is dou*chebag and this is all biased around the Flamers....the pompousness of ALL Flamers fans, broadcasters and sport writers!!! They know Treliving made a BAD move but are too stubborn to admit that he got had by a way smarter GM than himself.....

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    In fairness, all local Sportsnet coverage is like that. The Sportsnet Oilers crew (e.g. guys like Spector) isn't much better -- they're all mouthpieces for the organizations that they cover. They don't exist to hold their respective teams' feet to the fire. It's quite pathetic all around.
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    Well at least Seravalli with TSN got it right with his article...

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    Nope, just now - those SportsNet Calgary turds were using the words, "when and likelihood" that Calgary makes the playoffs. But "if and unlikely" that the Oilers make the playoffs.....in reference to Neal/Lucic......

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    4-0, sitting on top of the league, McDavid leading the league in points, Neal leading the league in goals. Still very early in the season, but damn, it's nice to start the season well.

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    It's early, but having the eight points now beats having to fight from behind in March.
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    Now 5-0 after beating the Rangers this afternoon.
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    I'm still scared to get my hopes up, but this team plays as a team. They needed to gel, and they have..!!
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    McDavid is so good.17 points
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    They've been benefiting from very generous percentages in our favour (save %, shooting percentages, PP, etc). It will eventually revert to mean. If they're still top 10 or 12 in the league in mid December, we can get a little more excited.

    Nice to be padding some points now in preparation for the eventual slide.

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    Even if the Oilers go .500 the rest of the season, we'll end up with 88 points. I think the real challenge will come when the Oilers start playing divisional games. Where do we stack up against Anaheim, Vegas, San Jose and others?
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    Huge win.
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    Such a great third period, and OT.

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    Couch potato today. Wife is overseas, nice. Some news shows this morning, Oilers game this afternoon, World Series game 5 from Houston tonight. Some food preperation and the odd short nap. LIfe is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Couch potato today. Wife is overseas, nice. Some news shows this morning, Oilers game this afternoon, World Series game 5 from Houston tonight. Some food preperation and the odd short nap. LIfe is good.
    Jealous! Throw in some NFL games....and it's even better......what kind of beer?

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    Yes lots on. Just myself and sonny boy so we’re sticking to root beer and coffee. lol
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    I was wondering if the visiting teams stay at the JW? 4 zip now for fla. Darn

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    Why are the Oilers playing a home game against an eastern team in the afternoon?

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    1/5th of the way through the season and I don't think anyone's surprised to see Drai and McD 3/4 in the points standings.
    But it is surprising to see Edmonton and Vancouver 1/2 in the Pacific.
    That Edmonton is barely .500 against the west is the part thats hidden in the standings so far.
    If you assume you need 90-93 points to make the playoffs, they gotta be just above .500 hockey from here on in.

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    Nice game by the oil last night. Shutout for koskinen. I was wondering if the people calling for the eskimos to change their name will soon be calling for the oilers to change theirs as well.

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    I don’t think you understand why people are calling for the Eskimos to change their name.

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    Why do you say that? It’s because it’s a slight to the indigenous peoples of the north whose name is actually inuit and the eskimo was a reference to them by other natives and means eaters of raw meat. However, when the organization approached the Inuit people and held meetings they said they don’t mind the name and are actually proud of the team and name. So it will continue to be used, for now. Eskimo is used in Alaska however in all facets including public documents and is widely accepted. So perhaps it could be said that we are named after the Alaskan Eskimo if the issue arises again.
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    Back to the topic I thought the Devils game was quite odd. Subban is like a dead thing, an albatross contract for sure and interesting that Andy Greene was much better, engaged, and covering McD all night and doing a fantastic job of it. Subban is just checked out. Like he never arrived in Jersey.

    Devils would be a team that seems to be in disarray with all the additions. Team without any identity. On paper it looks better, but the team play on the ice is horrible and nobody seems to want to be there. Hall looked like he was trying to play by himself. Devils had so many checked out players it was sad to see.

    Fairly easy win for the Oilers who played well. But against a club expecting to lose.


    Just a sidenote but some of these Allstar D need to be checked out carefully. All of Subban, Doughty, Karlson, Burns are just garbage right now. Playing so badly that they are high priced anchors to their respective teams that by virtue of contract price and performance basically ensure that those clubs are tanking.

    Careful what you wish for in the D department. I'm quite happy the Oilers have Nurse and Bear playing very well and prospects within. Seems to be some of the most sought after D in the league aren't worth the trouble.

    Holland was right as well in cutting out contracts like the pointless Sekera contract.
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    Projections early on had the Devils ranked way too HIGH at season end. They all thought both Subban and Simmonds were both the second coming of Christ....both skate on their ankles and are terrible. While I'm ranting, who else gets annoyed as f*ck watching that pinhead Tkachuk w/ the Flamers always garbling on his mouth piece....I wish someone would elbow him in the jaw whilst he "plays" with his mouth piece.....

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    Flames as a rule are uber annoying.

    last night with 5minutes left Benning just has a complete meltdown and charges a Blues player. It was a ridiculous blindside attack and Benning should not only have got a major, and thrown out, he should be facing a suspension for blatant attempt to injure. But instead the zebras find a way to call matching penalties, Hand the Flames a 4 on 4 which opens up the ice as they need a goal and 5 on 5 the Blues are pretty good...

    predictably Calgary scores to tie, Benning allowed to play rest of game despite a disgusting punk run at the Blues player.


    Thing the Flames don't realize is this kind of nonsense just contributes to teams taking more than a casual dislike to the Flames and just spanking them silly if they ever meet up in the playoffs. There isn't a Blue on the lineup that doesn't think the Flames are a joke.
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    Flamers are about as exciting as watching paint dry.....team is void of likeable players. I dislike watching them play and only do so as a medium to hope they lose.....

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    You mean Bennett?

    As far as the D you listed go, the common factor is that all are near 30 or above. And some have had injury issues, as well. Just goes to show that very, very few "elite" players will live up to their second big contracts signed in their late 20's.

    And yet it seems a huge portion of the Oilers fanbase has a hard on for throwing 10+ million at Hall next summer. Thankfully Holland knows how stupid that would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    You mean Bennett?

    As far as the D you listed go, the common factor is that all are near 30 or above. And some have had injury issues, as well. Just goes to show that very, very few "elite" players will live up to their second big contracts signed in their late 20's.

    And yet it seems a huge portion of the Oilers fanbase has a hard on for throwing 10+ million at Hall next summer. Thankfully Holland knows how stupid that would be.
    Bennett, yeah. I care so little about the Flames I didn't even get the name right.

    Agreed with those D being too old and all those guys have played a lot of minutes. Lots of mileage. Increasingly the NHL is requiring greater D speed as well due to how much faster players are in general. None of the guys listed have great recovery speed at this point. Doughty used to be able to make some gambles and still get back in the play. That boat has sailed.

    But at least the Kings won a couple cups and got full mileage out of Doughty.

    Imagine the Sharks disappointment in Karlson who is not only bad on the ice but is a distraction off it. Guy was toxic coming out of Ottawa. Major red flags. Glad the Oilers weren't involved in trying to get him. Subban just plain mailing it in at this point. The guy could be more dominant. Just isn't engaged anymore.
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    “Subban is just checked out. Like he never arrived in Jersey.”.....perhaps...PK is so much in love with Lindsey he’s forgotten about his game 🥰. (very engaged).
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    Great to see Nuge scoring two goals.
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    I was surprised at the number of hats thrown on the ice in Anaheim.

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    Great win for the Oilers last night! November is going to be interesting, as their schedule has a lot of divisional games. The Pacific is really competitive this year. The first and second round of the playoffs would be unreal if the standings stayed the same as they are right now, with Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver at the top.

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    Imagine the Sharks disappointment in Karlson who is not only bad on the ice but is a distraction off it. Guy was toxic coming out of Ottawa. Major red flags.


    You seem to have a very, very faulty recollection of what happened in Ottawa with Karlsson. There was nothing that he and his wife did that was "toxic". Mike Hoffman's girlfriend is apparently a crazy person, and for whatever reason, you seem to be laying that at Karlsson's feet:
    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-erik-karlsson

    I've never heard anything about Karlsson that indicates he's anything other than a good guy.

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    I wonder why we never see toques on the ice when there's a hat trick. Further to that, has anybody ever thrown a cowboy hat on the ice in Calgary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Great win for the Oilers last night! November is going to be interesting, as their schedule has a lot of divisional games. The Pacific is really competitive this year. The first and second round of the playoffs would be unreal if the standings stayed the same as they are right now, with Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver at the top.

    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    Imagine the Sharks disappointment in Karlson who is not only bad on the ice but is a distraction off it. Guy was toxic coming out of Ottawa. Major red flags.


    You seem to have a very, very faulty recollection of what happened in Ottawa with Karlsson. There was nothing that he and his wife did that was "toxic". Mike Hoffman's girlfriend is apparently a crazy person, and for whatever reason, you seem to be laying that at Karlsson's feet:
    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-erik-karlsson

    I've never heard anything about Karlsson that indicates he's anything other than a good guy.
    For whatever reason you fail to differentiate an unfounded series of accusations from substantiated fact.

    You didn't follow the story to conclusion. The attack and accusations against Mrs Caryk (and by association Mr Hoffman who was profoundly professionally impacted) were completely unfounded, unsubstantiated, and there were no known grounds to pursue. This did not prevent Mr and Mrs Karlson from attacking the Hoffmans and for creating a toxic atmosphere that required the soon as possible subtractions of Hoffman (and later Karlsson) from the lineup.

    I understand fully that the Karlssons had been through a tragic episode, but their pain was no excuse to make unsubstantiated accusations.
    The Hoffman and Caryk did petition disclosure of any grounds the Karlsons had and the Karlsons did not produce any. They were not required to as a forensic assessment of online activity could reveal more. Nothing more than hearsay and divisive gossip were the apparent grounds. A forensic audit was done regarding the alleged online activity and there was no confirmed connection to Mrs Caryk. i.e. no substantiation that any of the online comments emanated from her.

    Further the Sens are on record saying they were forced to trade Hoffman because the room had become toxic. With Karlson ironically Captain of that room.

    Mrs Caryk and Mrs Karlsson had been friends before the episode but had an apparent painful falling out. But Mr Karlsson, as captain of a squad has a different level of accountability to team and org and ought to have sought to not have all this public accusation occur in the manner it did. Not only did he fail in that he FURTHERED the accusations, even brought it to the room, and without any proof. Hoffman even repeatedly asked to speak to Karlson, his captain, about it but was angrily rebuked with Karlsson refusing to discuss the matter with Hoffman (but having no qualms discussing it with his team mates).

    Regardless of what one wants to believe occurred the enactment of gossip by the Karlssons, involving several other wifes and players on the team was a pretty unprecedented sordid saga in the annals of hockey, a noted team sport. What occurred in Ottawa destroyed any concept of team and ripped it apart. This all under the Karlsson captaincy and with him clearly involved.

    Finally, there have been no other problems reported either with Mrs Caryk, or Mr Hoffman and both have been well regarded on any team they have been associated with and continue to be.

    But Eric Karlsson does have prior. Years ago while Sens captain he ranted online for hours about the ****** coverage/service he was getting from Bell without the slightest apparent realization that this could be disruptive as Bell was a main Sponsor of the team. Karlsson had been rebuked on this and it was an embarrassing moment for all involved. Even potentially damaging the relationship with the sponsor as Karlsson was the team captain and face of the franchise. Karlsson himself attempted to downplay the incident and that he should be able to say whatever he wanted and that it was no big deal. Well it was.

    Karlsson is also the guy that had his team start out a season with his pronouncement that he's not taking any home town discount in his next contract. Pretty self serving gesture. He had to actually recant his comments because they were so distracting to the team.

    Loose lips sink ships? Not saying so, but its food for thought.
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    It never concluded, as you claim. They were traded out of the court's jurisdiction prior to things getting far enough along for any evidence to actually be presented in a criminal trial, if the police investigation found wrongdoing. The Karlssons never turned over their evidence from the peace bond application, because the court ruled they didn't have to. But numerous other wives and players on the team also thought that Caryk was behind the harassment. At this point, it looks like we'll never really know what truly went on. However, if the whole thing truly was made up out of whole cloth, Caryk would have an excellent case to pursue against the Karlsson's in civil court, given how badly her reputation was damaged. It's very telling that she's not pursued that.

    Otherwise your only other evidence that Karlsson is "toxic", is him making a few tweets about crappy customer service with Bell that he soon deleted? Really? And he wasn't the captain of the team in 2013, by the way. Spezza was.

    edit: here's an article that specifically names numerous other wives that were accusing Caryk of the harassment: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-became-public
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    It never concluded, as you claim. They were traded out of the court's jurisdiction prior to things getting far enough along for any evidence to actually be presented in a criminal trial, if the police investigation found wrongdoing. The Karlssons never turned over their evidence from the peace bond application, because the court ruled they didn't have to. But numerous other wives and players on the team also thought that Caryk was behind the harassment. At this point, it looks like we'll never really know what truly went on. However, if the whole thing truly was made up out of whole cloth, Caryk would have an excellent case to pursue against the Karlsson's in civil court, given how badly her reputation was damaged. It's very telling that she's not pursued that.

    Otherwise your only other evidence that Karlsson is "toxic", is him making a few tweets about crappy customer service with Bell that he soon deleted? Really? And he wasn't the captain of the team in 2013, by the way. Spezza was.

    edit: here's an article that specifically names numerous other wives that were accusing Caryk of the harassment: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-became-public
    We can both agree, I'm sure, that the wives reports mean essentially nothing than exhibit A for how bad gossip and rumors get started. As such they are not corroborating, they are hearsay, as stated. Mrs Karlsson for some reason STARTED the rumors that it was Caryk and the captain sided with her repeating the rumors, and in the room and even with other players.

    But nowhere in my claim do I require any did/didn't on the part of Caryk. We know what Mr and Mrs Karlsson did, they turned it into a circus that essentially blew up the team. Whether there were reasons for that is almost besides the point.
    Now this is not to say that I fault the Karlssons for the media getting wind of this. I don't. The media did their research and got on the story. But I do fault the Karlssons for irresponsibly maligning another party. There were more responsible ways to deal with this than gossip it with other wives or in the room. Professionally, that should not have occurred. That's the main fault I find with the Karlssons in the whole sordid saga.

    Its not telling at all that Caryk and Hoffman did not pursue matters further. Indeed its possibly even the norm that people want to move on, especially when they are relocated. Moving on with lives. I could say it was telling that Caryk and Hoffman WANTED to hear any substantiation and disclosure on how Caryk was being accused and none was forthcoming. I've read a lot of the case because it interests me. Karlssons lawyer made a strong argument that in general it could be inappropriate for someone making the allegation to disclose all the sources. This was seen as a potential damage two times scenario that often occurs in abuse cases.

    I think a fairer view is that all parties walked away from this which I could even argue is more telling. The Karlssons were the ones lobbing the bombshells. One would think they could have some proof..


    Couple other points regarding Karlsson. The contract statements which completely deflated the team with his insisting there would be no home town discount, this occurring DURING an Ottawa season. Remember he had to redact those comments.

    Another being allegations about Karlsson rebuking the Sens club, avoiding practice, and encouraging team mates to do so.

    Multiple instances in SJ of Karlsson yelling at a team mate on the ice and in one instance even swearing at one. (he denies both which were captured on film)


    My own take is Karlsson had a best before date. We're past that in anycase.

    Been nothing but disappointing play from him in San Jose.

    Sharks look like bottom feeders all of a sudden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    You mean Bennett?

    As far as the D you listed go, the common factor is that all are near 30 or above. And some have had injury issues, as well. Just goes to show that very, very few "elite" players will live up to their second big contracts signed in their late 20's.

    And yet it seems a huge portion of the Oilers fanbase has a hard on for throwing 10+ million at Hall next summer. Thankfully Holland knows how stupid that would be.
    What about Holland's last decade of work in Detroit make you think he averse to overpaying aging talent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinW View Post
    What about Holland's last decade of work in Detroit make you think he averse to overpaying aging talent?
    heh, I forgot about the Nielsen and Abdelkader contracts. You may have a point! I briefly looked for past cap listings and didn't have much luck, but were there many other bad ones? Zetterberg and Datsyuk were mostly worth theirs until the end of their tenures.

    edit: Helm *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KevinW View Post
    What about Holland's last decade of work in Detroit make you think he averse to overpaying aging talent?
    heh, I forgot about the Nielsen and Abdelkader contracts. You may have a point! I briefly looked for past cap listings and didn't have much luck, but were there many other bad ones? Zetterberg and Datsyuk were mostly worth theirs until the end of their tenures.

    edit: Helm *sigh*
    Jonathan Ericsson (currently buried in AHL) was also way too much money and term for a 30-year old stay at home defensemen, and then there is Johan Franzen's 11-year monstrosity (currently on LTIR) which may be the worst of the bunch. It was signed under previous CBA rules, so not quite apples-to-apples, but giving that kind of term to a 29 year old defies logic.

    Can only hope Holland has learned from his mistakes along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I was surprised at the number of hats thrown on the ice in Anaheim.
    I have a buddy that lives in LA and is a huge Oilers fan. He was at the Ducks game the other night and said there were lots of Oilers fans there. Also, the Ducks gave away hats to everyone at the game, so it’s likely any Oilers fan at the game tossed their free Ducks hat on the ice (my buddy did).
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Another hat-trick by McJesus!
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    And six points for Connor, so far.
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    ^ And that's in one night!
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    Enjoyed watching the game. ‘Twas like the good old days.

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