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    Default Hotelier Don Koziak enters mayoral race

    Hotelier enters mayoral race

    Andrea Sands, edmontonjournal.com
    Published: September 15, 2007 10:39 pm


    Businessman Don Koziak confirmed Saturday he will enter the race to be Edmonton's next mayor.

    Koziak intends to file his nomination papers at City Hall on Monday, the official kickoff for candidates' municipal election campaigns.

    Mayor Stephen Mandel has already launched his re-election campaign, with a pledge to build on Edmonton's economic success of recent years.

    "Clearly, he's got the advantage of being the incumbent," Koziak said in an interview Saturday.

    "I do understand the long odds.

    "The political wisdom is that I have no chance, but I'm hoping to reach out to the 60 per cent of people who didn't bother to vote in the previous election."

    Koziak is the most serious challenger so far to run against Mandel for the mayor's chair.

    Four other men who have said they are going to run - Bill Whatcott, Keith Borle, Peter Lefaivre and Dave Dowling - are all fringe candidates. Dowling got less than one per cent of the popular vote in the 2004 mayoral race.

    Koziak has previously tried three times for a seat on city council: in Ward 5 in 1995, and in Ward 2 in 1998 and 2004.

    This time, he has set his sights on the mayor's chair so he can get his ideas across to a wider audience.

    "I want to get some of my ideas out for public debate," he said.

    "Media takes a keener interest in the mayoralty campaign than in the councillors' campaigns."

    Koziak was tight-lipped about his ideas Saturday.

    He said he will reveal specifics of his platform during the campaign. Information will also be posted on his campaign website at www.donkoziak.ca.

    The 43-year-old married father is part-owner of the Chateau Louis Hotel, a family business for more than 30 years. Born and raised in Edmonton, Koziak earned a bachelor of science in engineering from the University of Alberta.

    He is a member of the Canadian branch of Mensa, an international high-IQ society for people who score in the top two per cent in intelligence tests.

    Koziak's father, Julian Koziak, was a cabinet minister in the Peter Lougheed government.

    "I've been around politics and politicians my whole life," the younger Koziak said.

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    "is part-owner of the Chateau Louis Hotel"

    Uh oh...
    I bet this guy's idea is to keep the Municipal Airport open.

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    ^ He definitely has opinions on YXD...

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    Yes, yes he does.
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    Wow he is in MENSA, swoooonnn.

    What a BS thing to put in a press release. IQ really has a minute impact on what you are going to accomplish as a politician.

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    Hmmm if you're really in MENSA, you'd think you'd be smart enough to not think it's good brochure copy "trust me I'm really smart".

    Personally I'm looking forward to hearing what dave Dowling has to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC
    Wow he is in MENSA, swoooonnn.

    What a BS thing to put in a press release. IQ really has a minute impact on what you are going to accomplish as a politician.
    actually, that could backfire...into MENSA = pious....
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    actually, that could backfire...into MENSA = pious....
    more like MENSA =

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    Quote Originally Posted by DanC
    Wow he is in MENSA, swoooonnn.

    What a BS thing to put in a press release. IQ really has a minute impact on what you are going to accomplish as a politician.
    actually, that could backfire...into MENSA = pious....
    Everything about mensa is intellectual elitism and flag waving, that is going to fly really well in a City where a significant portion of the work force is blue collar.

    I still can't believe that this was mentioned in the article, what does it have to do with anything?

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    Don needs a really great strategic communications specialist with a keen understanding of the political "game"...too bad I am already taken.

    Putting irrelevant information in a news article or news release is like putting you won your third grade spelling bee--no one cares except your mom.

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    Koziak challenges Mandel

    Mon, September 17, 2007
    Edmonton Sun


    Don Koziak, the 43-year-old owner of the Chateau Louis hotel, is the latest candidate to join the race to become Edmonton's next mayor.

    "I know it's a long shot (to beat Stephen Mandel), but I'm hoping to capitalize on the 60% of eligible voters who didn't even vote last time," Koziak said yesterday.

    He's keeping his election platform close to his chest until later this week, but said he'll campaign on a few "no-brainer ideas" that the current mayor has consistently overlooked.

    Koziak, a married man with a large family, has been close to politics for years: his father, Julian Koziak, was a provincial cabinet minister during the Peter Lougheed administration, and Don ran unsuccessfully for an Edmonton council seat in 1995, 1998 and 2004.

    "I've got a number of unique ideas and I'd like to show people that the image of politicians as untrustworthy and insensitive doesn't need to stay that way. I'd like to be the candidate who gets those who normally don't bother voting out to the polls," he said.

    Interested voters can view Koziak's campaign website at www.donkoziak.ca

    The application deadline and official kickoff of candidate campaigns is today.

    The municipal election is Oct. 15.

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    A Sonny a Daddy could be proud of ......
    Pops = Julian Koziak
    The pickled egg falls not far from the barrel
    Hopfully I am not the only one who remembers "Julie"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline
    A Sonny a Daddy could be proud of ......
    Pops = Julian Koziak
    The pickled egg falls not far from the barrel
    Hopfully I am not the only one who remembers "Julie"
    if one tried to paint a left-wing politician in this fashion and "connect the dots" between a candidate and his parents or his background to make a point, it would probably not be accepted as "remembering" as much as it would be identified as some kind of neo-con conspiracy that threatens all of the values we hold near and dear as "real" canadians...

    i don't know don - and never knew julian - and i disagree strongly with some of the positions he has previously advocated. and having said that, i'm sorry Blueline, but if i was going to be "hopefull" about anything, it would be to encounter more attention to the issues and less of this type of "remembrance" and association across the board.
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    Race for mayor is on
    Nomination papers filed today


    Mon, September 17, 2007
    By FRANK LANDRY, CITY HALL BUREAU


    Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel talks to media today after filing his nomination papers. He's running for re-election in the Oct. 15 civic election.

    All of a sudden we’ve got a mayoral race.

    Last week, it appeared Mayor Stephen Mandel would go unchallenged as he sought a second term.

    Today, hotel owner Don Koziak officially entered the contest, making it a far more interesting run for city hall’s top political job.

    “I was as surprised as you were to hear his name come out, but we welcome him to the race,” Mandel said after filing his nomination papers at city hall.

    Koziak, who has close ties to the provincial Tories and owns the Chateau Louis hotel, acknowledged it’s going to be an uphill battle getting more votes than Mandel, who as incumbent has a natural advantage over the relative newcomer.

    “The fact is I’m not necessarily confident I will defeat him,” Koziak told reporters. “I’m definitely the long shot.”

    Chaldeans Mensah, a political scientist at MacEwan College, said while Koziak is a credible challenger, Mandel is still the guy to beat.

    “He will be a focal point for a lot of anti-Mandel votes,” Mensah said of Koziak. “People who are unhappy with the current situation will park their vote with him. But is it going to be enough to defeat Mandel? I don’t think so.”

    Koziak’s father, Julian Koziak, was a provincial cabinet minister during the Peter Lougheed administration.

    A total of nine mayoral candidates filed nomination papers today. Aside from Mandel and Koziak, the others are considered fringe candidates.

    “Anybody running is a challenger,” said Mandel. “We’ll let Mr. Koziak put out his policies and ideas and we’ll do ours. In the end the citizens will make a decision.”

    Koziak, who has run three times for council unsuccessfully, made no apologizes for joining this race at the eleventh hour. Election day is Oct. 15, about a month away.

    “Four weeks isn’t a short period of time,” said Koziak, 43. “There will be lots of time to discuss issues.”

    He said he knew as far back as May he was going to challenge Mandel.

    “Did I need to announce in May I was going to run? … I enjoyed my summer. I enjoyed my anonymity. Now I’m going to have to step into the spotlight,” said Koziak.

    Trained as a civic engineer, Koziak said he’s big on infrastructure issues, but refused to delve into any specifics of his election platform. However, he said his campaign will focus on back-to-basics issues.

    “That’s where my priorities are, on good, basic city responsibilities. Whether that’s garbage collection or water, sewers, snow removal, potholes – those are the things that affect me on a day-to-day basis and affect all of us.”

    Mandel, 62, said during the campaign he plans to unveil his “vision” for the next three years, but didn’t reveal any new planks.

    “We don’t want to be single-dimension in this campaign,” said Mandel.

    He also used today to take another shot at the provincial government, claiming Edmonton is being shortchanged because of the way $11.3 billion in infrastructure funding is being divided.

    The formula gives $1 billion more to surrounding communities and $1.2 billion more to Calgary over 10 years. “It’s an awful lot of difference,” Mandel said.

    The other mayoral candidates include: Dustin Becker, Dave Dowling, Khaled Kheireddine, George Lam, Peter T. Lefaivre, Robert Ligertwood and Bill Whatcott.

    Meanwhile, there are 42 candidates running for councillor in the city’s six wards.

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    Koziak runs 'virtual' campaign office
    Mayoral candidate considered the only legitimate challenger to Mandel


    Sat, September 22, 2007
    By FRANK LANDRY, CITY HALL BUREAU


    You’d be hard pressed to find mayoral candidate Don Koziak’s campaign office.

    He’s got a phone number that goes to voice mail. And he stores some campaign material at the hotel he co-owns. But otherwise, Koziak says he’s running a “virtual” campaign headquarters.

    It’s a far cry from the high-budget media campaign pumping incumbent Stephen Mandel.

    “Having run in three municipal campaigns, I can tell you that the value of a campaign headquarters is marginal,” said Koziak, the co-owner of the Chateau Louis Hotel and Conference Centre.

    “Very, very few people stop in on you, and you end up being anchored to the fiscal premises, instead of being able to get out there and meet the people.

    “It’s a virtual campaign office, how about that?”

    Koziak – who considers himself a longshot to win on Oct. 15 – admits to running a low-budget campaign, at least by established standards. Still, he’s considered the only legitimate challenger to Mandel.

    Koziak has run three times for a council seat, and lost all three times.

    Some have speculated Koziak will get a good chunk of the protest vote this time out – those Edmontonians looking to park their vote with anyone other than the incumbent mayor.

    University of Alberta civic affairs expert Jim Lightbody said the only way Koziak is going to make any significant ripples is through effective advertising. That means lots of TV and radio ads during prime viewing hours.

    “What you have to do is go citywide,” Lightbody said. “There’s no point in doing it other than on the 6 p.m. news and the drive home shows.”

    But so far, the soft-spoken Koziak has been keeping a relatively low profile.

    He said he won’t put any lawn signs on public property, but some will be made available to interested homeowners. Koziak said he’s been fined in past election because the signs were placed too close to curbs.

    There will be radio and print ads, he said, but no TV spots. Billboard are also a possibility.

    In contrast, Mandel billboards have been popping up all over the city for several weeks. Mandel also has a bricks and mortar campaign office, located at 10010 109 Street.

    Both Mandel and Koziak have been playing their cards close to their chests when it come to their respective platforms, so far releasing only bits and pieces.

    Mandel has been critical of the Ed Stelmach government, arguing Edmonton is not getting its fair share of provincial infrastructure dollars. He’s also promised if re-elected he would stamp out homelessness within 10 years and crack down on aggressive panhandlers.

    Koziak has said he would lobby the province to give homeowners a tax credit for the property tax they pay. He also said he would push to have overhead utility lines buried in older neighbourhoods undergoing revitalization.

    An issue Koziak said he’s not interesting in re-opening is the debate on the municipal airport. Koziak previously campaigned against consolidating air service at the international.

    He said he would like to see more flights at the city centre, particularly planes with 19 and fewer passengers, but the consolidation issue is dead.


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    Don Koziak worth a listen in mayor race

    Fri, September 21, 2007
    By Neil Waugh


    At least we have a race.

    Or do we?

    It's gone a little quiet on the Don Koziak campaign since the hotelier and member of a distinguished Edmonton political family surprised everyone.

    He threw his hat in the ring on Monday as the only serious challenger for Mayor Stephen Mandel's job.

    It may have come as a shock to Mandel - who looked like he was getting a free pass - that he was now going to have to work for his support.

    That's because Mandel has a lot of explaining to do to Edmonton voters.

    He once again signalled - in his campaign launch speech - he clearly doesn't get it when he declared "it's not roads versus art."

    That's exactly what this mayoral campaign is all about.

    Mandel will tell anyone who listens to him over the next five weeks that the problems of last winter and spring are now solved with a new snow removal and roadway maintenance program.

    But that only happened after Mandel faced a citizens revolt.

    His cynical political plan to pick a fight with the bedroom burbs - and lay the blame on them for all Edmonton city council's failures - also withered and died when nobody bought it.

    On Aug. 27 he changed horses and then it was Premier Ed Stelmach's fault for Mandel's failure to confront the city's growth problems.

    It's pretty clear what's going on here. Koziak's pedigree as a Tory (his dad Julian was Peter Lougheed's education minister) is well known.

    And Mandel - whose website features prominent Liberal Anne McLellan - also appears to be bringing party politics to city hall.

    For all this and more, Edmontonians need a choice.

    Koziak has his own ideas on how the city should run.

    First of all, he wants to be a lover, not a fighter, when it comes to Edmonton's neighbours.

    He also calls street clearing and pothole filling "no brainer" issues.

    And he hopes to find creative answers to solve the city's infrastructure challenges rather than constantly whining to the province.

    For those these reasons alone Don Koziak is well worth listening to over the next few days.

    Let the battle begin.

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    He once again signalled - in his campaign launch speech - he clearly doesn't get it when he declared "it's not roads versus art."

    That's exactly what this mayoral campaign is all about.
    I hate to label (actually I don't), but Neil Waugh is a fecking rube.

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    Mandel challenger praises funding deal
    City 'must be careful not be seen as ungrateful,' says mayoral candidate Don Koziak


    Susan Ruttan, edmontonjournal.com
    Published: September 24, 2007 12:27 pm


    Mayoral candidate Don Koziak today praised Premier Ed Stelmach's new funding deal, which Mayor Stephen Mandel and other councillors have denounced as unfair to Edmonton.

    In a news release, Koziak said he agrees with the premier that Mandel does not fully understand the formula used in the new Municipal Sustainability Initiative.

    "The $11.3-billion 10-year provincial commitment is historic and we must be careful not to be seen as ungrateful," Koziak said in the statement.

    Under the new formula, Edmonton gets $355 per capita, while Calgary gets $395 and Strathcona County gets $415 in grants over 10 years to build new roads and buildings.

    The funding formula for the new grants uses a complex formula rather than assigning the money according to population.

    Critics say the formula favours richer municipalities, because it is based in part on the amount of education tax the province receives from each town. The third factor is the length of roads in the municipality.

    Stelmach defended the funding formula in a long letter published in The Journal on the weekend, saying it balanced the demands of the different municipalities in Alberta.

    Koziak was briefly a provincial Conservative candidate for Edmonton-Calder, but withdrew his name before the election for personal reasons. He has run unsuccessfully for council several times. Brent Rathgeber, a former Conservative MLA, is working on his mayoral campaign.

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    The major issue here is $415 to Strathcona County. What, if that is the case, should Edmonton be revenue sharing with them?
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    Default Koziak slams Mandel for criticism of provincial grants

    Koziak slams Mandel for criticism of provincial grants
    Former Conservative candidate says he's on 'fairly good terms' with some government MLAs


    Susan Ruttan, The Edmonton Journal
    Published: September 25, 2007 7:13 am


    Mayoral candidate Don Koziak is siding with Premier Ed Stelmach and criticizing Mayor Stephen Mandel over a controversial new provincial funding deal.

    Koziak said in a written statement he agrees with the premier that Mandel does not fully understand the formula used in the new Municipal Sustainability Initiative.

    "The $11.3-billion 10-year provincial commitment is historic and we must be careful not to be seen as ungrateful," Koziak said Monday.

    Under the new formula, Edmonton gets $355 per capita, while Calgary gets $395 and Strathcona County gets $415 per capita in grants to build new roads and buildings.

    Mandel and other members of council say the formula favours richer municipalities, because it is based not just on population, but also on the amount of education tax a municipality produces for the province.

    A third factor is the amount of roads in the municipality.

    The Journal published a long letter from Stelmach on Saturday defending the funding formula, saying it balanced the demands of the different municipalities in Alberta.

    Koziak also slammed Mandel's "abysmal" record of clashing with surrounding counties over regional planning issues.

    Mandel had unanimous support from council last year in Edmonton's decision to withdraw from the current regional group, the Alberta Capital Region Alliance.

    Koziak was a provincial Conservative candidate in 2000, but withdrew his name before the election for personal reasons. He worked on Stelmach's leadership campaign.

    "I'm on fairly good terms with some of the members of the provincial government," he said in an interview.

    He is running a low-budget campaign with no campaign office.

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    © The Edmonton Journal 2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by djgirl
    Mayoral candidate Don Koziak today praised Premier Ed Stelmach's new funding deal, which Mayor Stephen Mandel and other councillors have denounced as unfair to Edmonton.
    ya, supporting an unfair funding deal for edmonton, that'll win you lots of votes

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    when will he "enter" the c2e elections forum? so far he is running on the Sun advertisements, kissing up to Stelmach and not really putting forth any platform. If I were to vote for Koziak I need to know what he has got to offer.

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    Koziak must step it up

    Kerry Diotte
    Sun, September 30, 2007


    I've never seen the kind of public backlash against a first-term mayor the way I've noticed it against Mayor Stephen Mandel.

    Mandel is a hard guy to not like on a personal level given his quick wit and affable nature - and I do admire him that way.

    As a rookie councillor from 2001-2004 he was a fiscal conservative to boot. That's admirable in my books.

    No more. No longer does he harangue bureaucrats to cut costs or demand citizens get refunds when the city finds a surplus at the end of a year.

    I've received scores of e-mails from people saying they won't vote for Mandel again. I've had many, many conversations with average citizens who feel the same way.

    As reasons, many cite the constant tax hikes, the sad state of our potholed roads, poor snow removal, crime rates and various projects they feel are unnecessary, such as the proposed $5-million LRT staircase, the $88 million being spent on Edmonton's art gallery, a $60-million urban renewal of Edmonton's downtown east side and Mandel's dream to spend $100 million over 10 years on Edmonton's river valley.

    That's why mayoral candidate Don Koziak, 43, could make the race interesting.

    He's young, looks good, comes from a political family and has help from connected Tories, including former MLA Brent Rathgeber who's Koziak's communications person.

    So how come Koziak's campaign has been such a dud?

    His campaign stumbled from the get-go when he announced way too late in the game (on Sept. 17 nomination day) that he was running.

    He didn't have much to say that day to the gathered hoards of reporters who inquired about his platform.

    At a recent forum he raised but two issues: He wants overhead power lines to be buried when older communities are revitalized and he'd lobby the provincial government to give homeowners a tax credit for the property tax they pay.

    Koziak could take a page from Coun. Mike Nickel's first attempt at running for mayor in 2001.

    Nickel didn't have much money but he knew how to get free publicity by putting out regular policy releases, holding news conferences and pulling the odd, photo-op stunt (most of which went off without a hitch). He wound up with 27,029 votes that year.

    Koziak doesn't seem to have any flair for politics. Indeed, the man who doesn't even have a campaign office, seems to go out of his way at every turn to hurt his chances.

    For instance, take the exchange Koziak had with 21-year-old Caitlin Forester.

    She and a friend met Koziak at a ward forum but wound up being turned off the candidate when he allegedly wondered aloud if she was old enough to vote.

    She was offended and sent off an e-mail to Koziak telling him so, mistakenly spelling his name "Kosiak."

    In response, she says Koziak sent her the following snarky, condescending e-mail: "Sorry you took my attempt at small talk so personally. Try to base your decision on the issues and I will not take personally your spelling my name wrong. You have proved tonight that the younger demographic does not care enough about issues and instead focus on the unintelligent details. You will most certainly get the government you deserve."

    Forester said he's lost her vote. " I don't want someone like that representing me," she told me.

    Koziak might boast on his website that he's a member of Mensa Canada, but his e-mail to Forester was plain dumb.

    If he wants to be taken seriously he'd best kick his campaign up a notch, in a big hurry - or drop out of the race to save himself and a few Tory friends some embarrassment.

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    Wow...

    Having several members of MENSA in my family, I can easily say that certain types of intelligence do not always translate into real world smarts nor interpersonal skills necessary for the holding of a political office.
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    Koziak throws cold water on Rexall replacement

    Wed, October 3, 2007
    By FRANK LANDRY


    The city should put plans for a new downtown arena on ice, says mayoral candidate Don Koziak.

    Koziak yesterday said there's too much history in Rexall Place to let it go.

    "We've hosted seven Stanley Cup finals and won five Stanley Cups in that building," Koziak told Sun Media.

    He said he's also worried about the cost of constructing a new entertainment complex, which by some estimates could hit $500 million or more. Instead, he said the existing building should be revamped.

    In April, Mayor Stephen Mandel announced a committee will look into the feasibility of building a "world-class" hockey barn to replace the aging Rexall Place.

    Mandel has made it no secret that his preferred location is downtown.

    Yesterday, Mandel vowed property tax dollars would not be used to fund a new building. "You can't build an arena on our tax base, it's just not possible," he told Sun Media.

    But Koziak said even if the city doesn't fork over for the building itself, there are all kinds of related infrastructure expenses, including building a link to the LRT.

    The arena committee -which includes members of the Oilers, Northlands and the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce - is expected to release a report by the end of the year. An earlier study pegged the cost of revamping Rexall at $225-$250 million.

    Jim Taylor, with the Downtown Business Association, said a new arena would go a long way to revitalizing downtown. He said his preferred location would be the site of the current post office, on 104 Avenue at 97 Street.

    Greg Christenson, chairman of the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce, said he envisions condos, restaurants and retail shops going up alongside the arena.

    He said he believes the development would create a new downtown entertainment district.

    Meanwhile, Koziak yesterday also said the city must do more to get Edmontonians to use public transportation. He said civic workers should be offered a special rate on Edmonton Transit, in a move similar to the U-Pass program offered to many post-secondary students.

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    Looks like Ghosts of Elections Past slipped out of an elevator ten minutes before noon to send us back a decade.

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    Oh right, the guy who wants to lead Edmonton into the 20th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mAD~mOD View Post
    Looks like Ghosts of Elections Past slipped out of an elevator ten minutes before noon to send us back a decade.
    This thread is 10 years old and you are just learning about this now?.
    Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebraW View Post
    Koziak throws cold water on Rexall replacement

    Wed, October 3, 2007
    By FRANK LANDRY


    [Koziak] said he's also worried about the cost of constructing a new entertainment complex, which by some estimates could hit $500 million or more.

    Yesterday, Mandel vowed property tax dollars would not be used to fund a new building. "You can't build an arena on our tax base, it's just not possible," he told Sun Media.

    But Koziak said even if the city doesn't fork over for the building itself, there are all kinds of related infrastructure expenses, including building a link to the LRT.

    Meanwhile, Koziak yesterday also said the city must do more to get Edmontonians to use public transportation. He said civic workers should be offered a special rate on Edmonton Transit, in a move similar to the U-Pass program offered to many post-secondary students.
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    I don't think he expects to win, but I hope they all bring up some points that Don hasn't thought of! Don thinks they are being divisive, but a lot of people do think it's downtown Donny vs the rest of Edmonton, so I hope he wakes up to that fact!
    I wouldn't vote for Iverson, and in his interview yesterday I thought he sounded egotistical and a tad clueless about how people feel. He's not my problem anymore, or or his love of raising taxes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemini View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mAD~mOD View Post
    Looks like Ghosts of Elections Past slipped out of an elevator ten minutes before noon to send us back a decade.
    This thread is 10 years old and you are just learning about this now?.
    Keep up, Gemini, he's running again... in 2017.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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