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    If anything, I'd change my handle to something less...intimidating.
    My anonymity stays intact. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    If anything, I'd change my handle to something less...intimidating.
    My anonymity stays intact. Period.
    Well said and I agree.

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    i am disappointed more people dont attach a name to themselves...a real one. I have met people through work, life, friends who know me from C2E and i quite enjoy continuing a debate or perhaps starting one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled
    I must say that I did appreciate the integrity, maturity and courage shown by dismissing the opposing view with a cutesy nickname like "hidey-hole."

    Oh well. Off I go to demean some more democracy.
    interestiing choice of language on both sides newfangled...

    democracy...

    don't you have to identify yourself in order to exercise your right to vote?

    even though you do not have to disclose your ballot, you still cannot obtain it or cast it anonymously and perhaps that is the middle ground that will be reached here?
    Late to the game on this thread, I know, but I needed to make this point...

    You must identify yourself to the elections official to ensure that only the appropriate people are casting ballots only once. If your ballot has any potentially personally identifiable information on it (i.e. initials, name, phone number, etc.), the ballot is considered spoiled. A democracy relies on anonymity to keep intimidation and coercion at bay. I believe the same applies to this forum...

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    China is thinking about doing this, it is not policy yet. But I know some people who wish it would be policy in Canada.

    China seeks to reduce Internet users' anonymity

    A leading Chinese Internet regulator has vowed to reduce anonymity in China's portion of cyberspace, calling for new rules to require people to use their real names when buying a mobile phone or going online, according to a human rights group.

    ....“We will make the Internet real name system a reality as soon as possible, implement a nationwide cell phone real name system, and gradually apply the real name registration system to online interactive processes,” the journal quoted Wang as saying.

    As part of that Internet “real name system,” forum moderators would have to use their real names as would users of online bulletin boards, and anonymous comments on news stories would be removed, Wang is quoted as saying.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1638127/

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    Yes, we definitely want to be more like China.

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    I ask every members here why bother threaten others with lawsuits. if they slander you or smear or whatever, just ignore and forget it, so let's move on. lawsuits will not solve your problem because if u sue others and you will be sued later on. so it's not worth it. as for me, I prefer not to give out my full name even first name at all.

    if anyone tells me to grow up, I will tell a person that it is a good news for me because before my height was 5 ft 8 and now I am 5 ft 9 tall now. so maybe this person will shut their mouth and never tell anyone to grow up at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Yes, we definitely want to be more like China.
    In some ways we do... not in all.
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    ^what ways?

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    There ability to get things done (not how they do it)
    There forward thinking on Energy.
    The rate at which they are adapting to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    There forward thinking on Energy.
    Yeah that three gorges damn, destroying one of natures marvels, was a fantastic example of forward thinking on energy ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66 View Post
    China is thinking about doing this, it is not policy yet. But I know some people who wish it would be policy in Canada.
    i wonder who would lead that charge? some people eh?

    on the other hand, even in canada you can't get a phone (or at least you can't get a land line) and you can't get a lot of other things anonymously either. if you consider that you are gaining access to something (whether that's an on-line forum or a bulletin board or a face book page), it's not that much of change to assume that you have to be anonymous to do so. if you want to remain anonymous, you don't have to go there. not everyone has to know everything just because you aren't entitled to full anonymity which is much like when you choose to exercise your franchise to vote. you can maintain the confidentiality of your choice on the ballot but you cannot anonymously get a ballot. as far as i'm concerned, if you're not prepared to be accountable for what you say or post (or at least be connected to what you say or post), then don't say it and don't post it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    There forward thinking on Energy.
    Yeah that three gorges damn, destroying one of natures marvels, was a fantastic example of forward thinking on energy ...
    Although I don't disagree.. I think you fail to comprehend the energy requirements of China.

    How much coal would have needed to be burnt in order to match the life time power production of the 3 gorges?

    Further to that it's not about existing tech.. look at what china has done for the electric car in 5 or so short years... this is about up and coming tech. Asia as a whole will greatly change the way we live.
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    why talk about china ?? anyone care to move there ?? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagators63 View Post
    why talk about china ?? anyone care to move there ?? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Further to that it's not about existing tech.. look at what china has done for the electric car in 5 or so short years... this is about up and coming tech. Asia as a whole will greatly change the way we live.
    Have you ever been to China? Up and coming tech? You can barely breathe outside in Beijing because of all the soot in the air. They still burn coal for everything there, including cooking and home heating.

    And when all 1.5 (1.6?) Billion of those people want cars (electric or not), it is not environmentally-friendly no matter how you want to spin things. Unless their cars are all going to be hand-made out of bamboo or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Further to that it's not about existing tech.. look at what china has done for the electric car in 5 or so short years... this is about up and coming tech. Asia as a whole will greatly change the way we live.
    Have you ever been to China? Up and coming tech? You can barely breathe outside in Beijing because of all the soot in the air. They still burn coal for everything there, including cooking and home heating.

    And when all 1.5 (1.6?) Billion of those people want cars (electric or not), it is not environmentally-friendly no matter how you want to spin things. Unless their cars are all going to be hand-made out of bamboo or something.
    Maybe we should help them clean up their act by not hawking our tar-sand in their direction? No? Thought not.

    Canadians never seem to have problems with China when it comes to making a quick buck.

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    You think making a quick buck is deplorable yet you are in Edmonton to make a quick buck, that is pretty pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    You think making a quick buck is deplorable yet you are in Edmonton to make a quick buck, that is pretty pathetic.
    Where did I say that? I just find Canadian double standards pathetic

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    You just insinuated it three posts down, I guess it's okay for you to make a quick buck. If Canada is so horrible, why are you here? I find it pathetic you constantly put us down yet still live and work here. Your home country must be great

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy8244 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
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    Further to that it's not about existing tech.. look at what china has done for the electric car in 5 or so short years... this is about up and coming tech. Asia as a whole will greatly change the way we live.
    Have you ever been to China? Up and coming tech? You can barely breathe outside in Beijing because of all the soot in the air. They still burn coal for everything there, including cooking and home heating.

    And when all 1.5 (1.6?) Billion of those people want cars (electric or not), it is not environmentally-friendly no matter how you want to spin things. Unless their cars are all going to be hand-made out of bamboo or something.
    Maybe we should help them clean up their act by not hawking our tar-sand in their direction? No? Thought not.
    Yes. No. Maybe, I dunno. You know why? Because I honestly don't care.

    I was merely pointing out that it was kind of silly to say that China was some kind of forerunner on environmentally-friendly technology like the last poster said.

    No point in trying to pick a fight with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I was merely pointing out that it was kind of silly to say that China was some kind of forerunner on environmentally-friendly technology like the last poster said.
    I had thought that maybe the coment about China being forwarding thinking on energy was a reference to how they are buying up oil sands assets, not to mention various African resources (China is now the main investor in Africa, and are renowed already for having total disregard for workers lives their).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
    Further to that it's not about existing tech.. look at what china has done for the electric car in 5 or so short years... this is about up and coming tech. Asia as a whole will greatly change the way we live.
    Have you ever been to China? Up and coming tech? You can barely breathe outside in Beijing because of all the soot in the air. They still burn coal for everything there, including cooking and home heating.

    And when all 1.5 (1.6?) Billion of those people want cars (electric or not), it is not environmentally-friendly no matter how you want to spin things. Unless their cars are all going to be hand-made out of bamboo or something.
    I'm not spinning everything, but if you think that China has it all wrong your naive. IMO

    China deals with pressures that we can't even begin to fathom.
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    The whole issue of internet anonymity keeps rearing it's head, so I thought I'd resurrect this thread to show that it's been debated here for several years now.

    I also want to clarify my thoughts on this.

    I've been on many internet forums in the past 15 years that dealt with a variety of interests ranging from sports to books to cars to dating. All of them have allowed anonymous userids, and continue to do so today.

    The anonymity has been good for several reasons. Some people value their privacy very highly, especially in this age of identity theft. Some people want to hide their online activities from family, friends and co-workers; you don't want your boss to find out how you're killing time at work. You're not going to get tomatoes thrown at your window for criticizing your neighborhood. You won't get fired if your boss doesn't like what you say. If you complain about your NHL team or your grocery store, you won't get banned by them. If you speak out against a corporation or a government or the authorities, they can't get back at you (or at least not so easily). If you bad-mouth a celebrity or get into a flame war with a fellow poster, he won't show up at your door to physically assault you (as hilariously played out near the end of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back).

    What's been really attractive about the internet anonymity is that you are judged solely by your words and opinions, and not by your station in life. A poster on a forum may be well-respected by his or her well-informed knowledge and eloquent arguments. And for all we know, that person is an elementary teacher, or an unemployed middle-aged hermit in his mom's basement or a university student/amateur porn star or a corporate executive with high-power connections. It doesn't matter if the person's name is Sonic Death Monkey or Jack Black or Ralph Crabapple from Thimbledick Saskatchewan...it's just an identifier to associate posts with a person. If one makes a valid critique of a travel agency or a grocery store, is that critique any more or less valid if the person's name is Igor P. Freely or Betty Wrinkletit or Satan's Kitty?

    There is no judgement on age, race, sex, sexual preference, disabilities, looks and status, nor on religious, economic or political leanings unless you choose to reveal those aspects of yourself. There's freedom. Freedom of expression, freedom to express a part of your personality that is not easily expressed in real life for whatever reason. And the userids allow for creativity and self-expression.

    Yes, the bad side is that anonymity allows for trolls and other malicious users who abuse that freedom of expression. But on most internet forums, the ban hammer usually fixes that.

    I think the problem is that the internet has become too mainstream. With all due respect to Richard and the others, Connect2Edmonton is a perfect example because it has whored itself to the media, the powers-that-be and the public. Most internet forums are only discovered via links or Google or word of mouth, not really advertised. Facebook has little or no anonymous users, so that is how many people are currently introduced to the online world, and such expectations of unconcealed identity carry over to the rest of the internet.

    The authorities, politicians, mass media, corporations, baby Sweetpea, Grandma Applepie and her dog have discovered the internet, and these include older generations who cling to old-fashioned ideas of identity and station in life. Elitism of knowledge, ideas and opinions is being enforced again - your opinion don't matter unless you have professional credentials. Lawsuits are threatened if someone is flamed on the net, which never happened years ago. Sports writers for local papers obsess endlessly over anonymous bloggers with intimate knowledge of a hockey team's operations. The authorities, politicians, government bodies and corporate fat cats want to suppress and exact retribution against those who speak out against them, so they demand an end to internet anonymity - could be the po po, or an unpopular politician or a government-funded tourism agency. Or maybe the corporations want your real identification so they can spam you to death with ads.

    If user anonymity is such a concern here, then change it already. Close the forum down for a day, ban all ids, and then force everyone to recreate their ids with real names, SIN number, address, phone number, shoe size, fingerprints, penis size and so on. Just don't expect everyone to play ball. Because until laws are passed banning anonymous internet ids, internet forums that allow them will still exist and some of us will still gravitate towards them for the positive reasons stated.
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    ^ Excellent points. Thanks for reviving this thread.

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    ^^Fantastic post, SDM. Thank you for articulating your thoughts so lucidly. You really nailed why so many of us -- especially those of us from a younger generation -- are more comfortable with a (semi) masked identity.

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    I will never use my real name on forums, purely for the sake of privacy. My personal circle of friends, family, business associates, etc. amounts to the hundreds, maybe a thousand. Revealing true identity online opens that up to millions of people you don't know and can't trust, including powerful corporations and governments.

    We're getting into scary-ville where organizations like Facebook and Apple provide a great service but pay for it by selling your personal information, and burying the authorization to do so in a million-word document easily skipped by clicking OK and moving on. A big problem now is that information gathering and selling is being bundled into products we pay for. Smartphones track your locations and usage and sell it to advertisers for location-based advertising, even though you pay for the product. Video games require online login to play so they can scan your system and sell the data for profit, even though you pay for that product.
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    facebook and apple have no respect our privacy at all, they just laughed at us for giving out our full name. I just don't believe that they protect our privacy from anyone or give our info to any gov't agency because I'm sure they ( feds) already knows everything about our lives, health , jobs , and you name it long before facebook or apple came into the world.
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    let me tell you, there is no such privacy anywhere on earth, so get used to it, life goes on !!
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    Than things need to change to address the encroachment of lack of privacy of the general population. Stop voting for parties that encourage the diminishment of privacy laws rather than reinforce, and enforce, existing ones.
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    Dear SDM et al,



    THE SHORT…

    1. You are already on the grid. Stop being paranoid. The government has your info. Being on C2E anonymously does not protect you.
    2. Re-read your employment contract. Your employer knows you’re here. They probably know your username. Re-read that little blurb on your logon screen…they mean it. So much for being a whistleblower on company time.
    3. Freedom of expression is not free…it has a lot of responsibility and is not to be taken lightly, or to be bastardized into the ability to insult pro airport or pro suburban citizens…
    4. C2E’ers expect access to leaders. Well, leaders don’t want to be here anymore. They get better interaction from facebook where they can see who they are talking to..who they’re befriending…they’re sick of the insults…and even insulted me by saying C2E is only good for lathering up masses to insult their opponents from the anonymous realm.
    5. Do you think the bloggers like Mack could get the same invites, respect, and the like by being anonymous? Give your head a shake…yet some of you expect Travel Alberta to take notice of your couch potato rants from hiddenville…seriously????
    6. The paranoia is a bit much here…

    If you don't want to read the rant...there you go...my points in brief...Oh, and this is my last straw...I hate what this forum has become...and I can't wait for the pious, selfish, and ungrateful, freeloading anonymous horde to pin it on me...why not...they seem to not be able to step back and look in the mirror and realize they are as much of the problem as the pin on others...or are too cowardly to sit for coffee and discuss...




    THE LONG

    THE GRID

    If you're worried that you are on "the grid"...don't worry...you already are...you file taxes, you have a job, you buy stuff with a credit card, you use AirMiles/Aeroplan/iTunes/rewards cards, you are on Facebook, you send e-mails, you tweet, you post here, you download crap from P2P sites, your ISP knows what you do..

    Oh yeah…”the man” knows what you’re doing. Anonymity here is not going to protect you. Airmiles is not to give you flights..it is to track your purchases and see what you jump for. You think thew bonus airmiles at Safeway are about giving you a “bonus”…no…they’re about seeing if you jump at a lower price or a spiff for buying their crap. …but you all just LOOOVE those points cards…so much that people start using them because you love them…

    If you think you are not known…look in the mirror…the joke is on the reflection looking back.

    THE WORKPLACE

    If you're worried that your boss may know if you spend too much time on the internet at work...don't worry...he/she already does...they own the very network you are using...oh, and your work e-mail is their property too...please re-read your employment contract…or the nice little server message before you log onto your corporate network…

    Seriously, if you are that worried about your boss knowing, well, what are you doing that you are afraid of? Obviously you know you’re violating the employment contract. If you have such a grievance, quit. It is a bit hypocritical to anonymously blog about the company’s whatever, yet take their pay? Truth be told, most of your grievances are more about pay, work hours, intelligence or lack thereof of an employee, boss, or project, or that your boss is sleeping with one of her subordinates. I highly doubt that any of you here have such a grievance that it would be of “movie of the week” proportion.

    Nothing on here warrants an immediate response. We’re open 24X7X365. Wait until you get home. That is one of the reasons why C2E came to be…to give an online community forum that people could post their thoughts at 3 am if they so wished. This was another portal…but I’ll get into that later

    If you think you’re safe from your boss by being anonymous on the interweb while surfing at work…look into the reflection in your nice new monitor…its laughing at you.

    C2E DEMANDS

    If you think C2E is asking for your...seriously now..."real names, SIN number, address, phone number, shoe size, fingerprints, penis size and so on."...get over yourself. My goodness, I even like the creativity of the usernames some people have.

    What may happen is a way for C2E to be able to protect itself from the opinions of users that escape moderation, or are proven false. If that means that you log in with your facebook account yet have a pseudonym here…or some other method of verifying that you are who you say you are….then that will be when it is shut down, all old user accounts will be asked to be verified…and if you want to leave…so be it.

    C2E…YOU DIRTY WHORE YOU….

    Seriously??? That had to be the most laughable statement I’ve heard in the time I’ve been here. Without media access you’d get none of the benefits you’ve had before…

    See the portal for why…

    Oh, and you didn't resurrect this thread SDM...it is being debated elsewhere and I linked to it...you’re welcome.

    THE YOUNGER SET

    Reading that the younger set is OK with anonymity…or even cherishes it….I’m sorry but that was a laugh riot. The younger set seems more open to saying who they are, posting pictures of themselves all over everywhere...or that a company I worked for didn’t make good money out of using apps that let your friends know where you are in almost near real time (hello data)…you need to smell the coffee. Twitter is full of “oh look, I’m at so and so eating buck buck” or “I’m home now” or…whatever. People are so concerned with their post count, friend count, follower count (and even following count) to somehow prove they're relevant that the give up their anonymity.

    No, the Boomers had it in for “the man”…the Millennials…more than happy to be on the web.

    …unless you’re a hacker…or trolling…or bullying….or being lippy…or saying things you normally wouldn’t because they’re wrong or could be wrong…those are usually the real reasons why people hide…

    JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED

    If any of you think that you don’t…within the first 20 posts…give up what you think, your political leanings, your religious affiliations, your sexual orientation or any of the things SDM quoted…simply by the darn posting style and the topics you choose to post on…you are seriously misguided.

    It is how we can identify repeat usernames even if you IP mask your account. It is how you so point out SDM that you can get to know the credibility of the poster. You judge. YOU ALL JUDGE. Shame on you for thinking that you don’t, or that your anonymous username prevents you from being judged.

    Of course a non-credentialed person can discuss what they know of project X…or ask the questions…no professional stops that…but they also shake their heads when some opinion so far from reality comes out...that often they could excuse it from the 13 year old…but may change their tone if they knew that SDM was a civil engineer too…

    It is not about the validity of the opinion, it is about the insurance that you as a poster will think twice before sending out that flame…think of it this way instead of hiding behind anonymity…what makes your opinion any more valid by being anonymous…or better yet…what is so wrong about what you are going to say that you cannot say it openly? I’ve said it before, but I highly doubt any of you have something so earth shattering that you would speak it here…if it was that bad…you’d go to the authorities. Fluoride and chemtrails be damned…and I think their absence would be a net benefit...

    LAMEST EXCUSE EVER.

    This one.


    The authorities, politicians, mass media, corporations, baby Sweetpea, Grandma Applepie and her dog have discovered the internet, and these include older generations who cling to old-fashioned ideas of identity and station in life. Elitism of knowledge, ideas and opinions is being enforced again - your opinion don't matter unless you have professional credentials. Lawsuits are threatened if someone is flamed on the net, which never happened years ago. Sports writers for local papers obsess endlessly over anonymous bloggers with intimate knowledge of a hockey team's operations. The authorities, politicians, government bodies and corporate fat cats want to suppress and exact retribution against those who speak out against them, so they demand an end to internet anonymity - could be the po po, or an unpopular politician or a government-funded tourism agency. Or maybe the corporations want your real identification so they can spam you to death with ads.
    I’m sorry SDM, but that is simply paranoid. See the next heading.


    FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION CARRIES HUGE RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY

    Lawsuits…seriously SDM…you think that some jack-o-lantern can do what they want with your real name, your image, your ideas, and your career and they can’t be held to account because it is some anonymous forum?????? That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

    You don’t think that corporations and sports teams, whose very survival or success depends on the fidelity and confidentiality of their employees, their business/game plans…don’t have a right to find out or shouldn’t be furious about their trade/game secrets being leaked…you need to give your head a shake. That is just silly, and you are a case in point…

    You value your anonymity SDM...so much so that when pictures of you at a C2E meet and greet were posted, you sent me a flame mail of epic proportions…I think you even threatened to sue…but hey, it is just your picture…and it is the wild west internet…I should have just kept it up there…I’d say hypocrisy but…

    So, you and others think it is OK for you to “flame” others yet not be held to account??? The very freedom you seek gets oppressed when you do just that...that is the reason why corporations and governments want to go after you...this is CANADA for crying out loud...we're pretty lucky here. You don't want this to be oppressed...don't flame...or make sure you have all the facts before you post...verifiable...hello journalism and how it had to grow up...the pen IS mightier than the sword...

    This is not about C2E selling your info…it is really about the fact that some of you would have to think twice about going off half-cocked against Travel Alberta or the like…

    …and really, the ability to find out and expose things happened long before the interweb and its nodules of blah blah…if there was truly a whistle to be blown…you can blow it…your freedom of expression is protected…and people in the real world will fight and die to protect you there.

    There are always those who want to lurk, to hide, to post. Like many of you say...there are forums for that. However, you are not safe there either. Not everyone here has Zapruter tapes..or Watergate documents…or proof Mulrouney did get Airbus cash…or the magic AdScam bullet…or…smoking proof that Travel Alberta really hates Edmonton (hint…they don’t)…

    As for corporations and governments trying to get after you and silence you…someone has been watching too much TV. …and people accuse the fluoride folks of tin foil hats…

    Your line about Grandma Sweetpea et al...that is not mainstream…that is the Internet growing up…just like print journalism had to. Facebook and other sites explode because a real person “befriends” or “likes” you…not some anonymous lump on the couch so afraid to expose his identity but feels free to flame and attack others ad nauseum …


    Scott had it right…time to grow up…


    THE POINT YOU ALL ARE MISSING!!!

    THE PORTAL

    C2E forum members have come to expect access to local leaders, either via ask forums, guest columns, or the like. Excuse the all caps... BUT THIS IS WHAT IS DIFFERENT HERE THAN SSP OR OTHER SINGLE PURPOSE FORUMS!

    This is not some far flung site that debates what province has the fluffiest pussy willows in the spring. Many of you have become used to having access to leaders, and are now lamenting that there are no more guest columns...no more ask forums...no more leaders joining and speaking out.

    The answer...they are tired of being attacked. Politicians are by nature vote driven...I constantly get asked "Is that person a voter?"....like it or lump it...like some of the lame excuses of why you hide...it is their lame excuse for why they listen.

    Ask forums take a lot of effort. After watching some of the antics, I can’t even get a guest column anymore. I can’t get people to come on an ask forum. I’ve been told NO more often than I care to admit. Why? Business leaders, politicians, influencers want to know their audience….public speaking 101…

    The expectations for this site were for civil debate. Scott's article hit it in the head...without the limits that your identity and the decorum therein puts into the discussion, eventually the debate dives into drivel...see the ad nauseum HSR, PRT, Airport, Arena threads...

    No one ever said that Sonic Death Monkey now has to give herself up and become Janet Graham of 123 anywhere lane in Edmonton...and doesn't have a penis...HOWEVER, if you all want the respect that this site had...you all either need to learn that the mod hammer will come out hard core on any silliness that erupts and there will be zero tolerance for any opinion that remotely borders on slander...OR...be prepared to have an identifier that...if C2E is again sued...it will be you that is held to account.

    Like it or not SDM, this site is not looked at anymore as the place to come and debate. Call out the mod hammer all you posters want...it is time for many of you to look in the mirror and realize that your own behaviour is driving the "what happened here" threads.

    As I said before…for this "freedom of expression" bit....remember that freedom is not FREE. With your opinion comes responsibility. Freedom of expression is not an ad nauseum cliché that many of you use to come on here and slander another, or someone in the public realm. Freedom of expression has responsibility and consequences...ask journalists...ask lobby groups...ask political parties...ask bloggers... Many people do not respect the freedoms that are afforded to them. Many here did...but lately it has not been the case. I've sat back and watched…and I’m saddened…

    Again…I am also going to turn the tables and say...if you think your opinion is no less valid by being SDM, why don't you just come out and say it is from Janet??? It works both ways! If you think your employer is so abhorrent in issue X, why do you work there? Why wouldn't you take up issue with said employer?

    Hell, if anonymity and opinion was so great...then buy from that infomercial that says B.M. from Poughkeepsie, A.W. from ceaderville, and SDM from Edmonton all endorse product...buck buck...yeah right...most run away ...


    The finer point...because I am who I say I am...and other respected social media/bloggers do the same (Mack, Dave etc..)...I've been given the access to be able to affect change in this city. There is no way I could have brought you C2E as an anonymous person. There is no way any of the projects I've been involved in would get me the access I have if I was boggieboogieboo. You all will find that to change the real world, you will have to get out of the virtual quickly and be yourself...else be lost to the white noise that is this "mainstream internet".


    If you all think this anonymity discussion is about selling you crap, or finding out who you are so they can silence you…give your head a shake. If the “big bad corporation” really wanted to find you…they could. If the big bag Travel Alberta wanted to silence C2E…they could try. …but this is not about that at all….and Travel Alberta is so not interested in you…and I have a good relationship with many there...again...they are not anti-Edmonton...I've even found that Calgary businesses want to play here too...


    It is about exactly what Scott McKeen was writing in his article. With anonymity, decorum does not exist. This incessant diving into Ghandi-esque drivel is tiring. The airport thread taught me simply that many of you were simply mean spirited, and that the points were long since lost. I guarantee that, even if you posted as boogieeeboogieboo…the mere thought that Charles Allard might be able to hold you to account the next time you called him a fat bas…*ahem*…or taunted that he may need a medevac due to weight…you would think twice…and maybe just debate the points of the argument...they were easy to do and you didn't have to attack the person. Many on the pro closure side also tired of the drivel here…except one openly admitted that C2E became the “ranting raving lunatic forum” for them…the place where the teeth gnashing could happen without staining them…Nice.

    What you also miss is that you’ve had this for free, yet many of you make demands…guise them as “customer service”...yet don’t want to even meet for coffee to discuss.

    No SDM, if there are any sharks that are being jumped…look in the mirror. I did awhile back and I didn’t like what I saw in some areas...

    …especially being blamed, harassed, and having to maintain a site that has become what it is…and I’m embarrassed. Neither moderation style has worked..and many of you don’t get it. You feed the trolls. You lash out at the public personas from the veil of anonymity. The clique of one topic often tries to drown out newcomers…but that is somehow my failing…Oh...just mod better and all will be good...right...

    …maybe it is my failing…maybe I should have shut this down earlier…I know where my vote is at our next meeting…I said it before..the well is dry..

    ..no one wants to fund this...not even me anymore...
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    So Richard S C2E is going the way of the Dodo bird than?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    So Richard S C2E is going the way of the Dodo bird than?
    i for one would hope not.

    on the other hand, i would also hope that c2e could align itself more closely with the editorial and letters to the editor sections of a newspaper (that may allow pseudonum signatures but do not publish anonymous writing) than the venting or on-line rants where anonymity seems to ultimately resuslt in a completely different level/quality of discussion...
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    ^concur in full Ken.
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    Well Richard, as I said, do what you need to do. Be like the Mighty Thor and wield the ban hammer; or fix the anonymity issue. I would certainly be OK with a userid being associated with real name and address that's hidden to all but the admin...if that is what Ken is suggesting.

    As for C2E's threatened survival, I like to look back at the good it has done. News is shared (sometimes before it's official), knowledge and experiences are shared. Ideas are formulated. It has prompted actions as small as getting me and others to public hearings on new developments, to sidewalk chalk protest in front of Sobeys, to huge actions such as the founding of Race Week. So if you think C2E should shutdown, remember to weigh the good along with the bad.
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    ^it raises some interesting responsibilities for the admin then though. Lets say for example, that one of the members decides to run for politics, in other words, has essentially been using the board to try out different ideas to see reactions. What happens then if it somehow leaks out from one of the admin that the person has been posting on C2E for years, providing a source for rival candidates or parties to seek mud? Could the individual then sue C2E if C2E is the source of the leak against its policies?

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    ^ ^ for people here to avoid suing C2E, be careful what you have said here in any threads
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    A few comments here.

    I have followed this debate on this and other boards for years and as a poster and a moderator of other well used boards.

    Philosophically at different times I've seen, and maybe been, on both sides of the freedom/privacy/anonymity argument.

    But frankly, and its the most obvious thing here, I've never felt any repression here at the hands of mods, admins, or anything of the sort. I've not been censored, censured, or felt in the slightest way that C2E itself was repressing reasonably expressed input or opinion in any way.

    What I have felt, and regularly enough, is that factions here that tend to ride in (for lack of better words) hive minded packs, are offering up the brunt of any repressive influence felt here. The word insular has been used often to describe some of the closed thinking that goes on here and how new opinions and different takes are shouted out.

    Similarly, as pointed out by people that would know, guests, politicians, journalists, and many others whose input would broaden the horizons of this place and make it a better and far more encompassing forum are simularly shouted out and subsequently showing reluctance to persist here.
    Ironically all in the name of freedom of speech and the right of posters to say anything they are moved to say with little view to civil decorum, effective dialogue, inclusive debate, or resolution.

    One wonders, in the case of ever declining numbers, and declining prominence, who exactly the much sought after "freedom of speech" is going to be communicated to.
    I guess a case of shooting the missive to save the integrity of the message. That then gets lost in the dark forest..

    I'm reminded of stories where "speakers corner" in Hyde Park, in London, really one of the older bastions of the right to say anything, eventually became the abode of madmen and Englishmen, who brought such rights of expression freedoms forward to such an extent that they eventually started resembling lunatic howlings pronounced to an audience of largely the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    A few comments here.

    I have followed this debate on this and other boards for years and as a poster and a moderator of other well used boards.

    Philosophically at different times I've seen, and maybe been, on both sides of the freedom/privacy/anonymity argument.

    But frankly, and its the most obvious thing here, I've never felt any repression here at the hands of mods, admins, or anything of the sort. I've not been censored, censured, or felt in the slightest way that C2E itself was repressing reasonably expressed input or opinion in any way.

    What I have felt, and regularly enough, is that factions here that tend to ride in (for lack of better words) hive minded packs, are offering up the brunt of any repressive influence felt here. The word insular has been used often to describe some of the closed thinking that goes on here and how new opinions and different takes are shouted out.

    Similarly, as pointed out by people that would know, guests, politicians, journalists, and many others whose input would broaden the horizons of this place and make it a better and far more encompassing forum are simularly shouted out and subsequently showing reluctance to persist here.
    Ironically all in the name of freedom of speech and the right of posters to say anything they are moved to say with little view to civil decorum, effective dialogue, inclusive debate, or resolution.

    One wonders, in the case of ever declining numbers, and declining prominence, who exactly the much sought after "freedom of speech" is going to be communicated to.
    I guess a case of shooting the missive to save the integrity of the message. That then gets lost in the dark forest..

    I'm reminded of stories where "speakers corner" in Hyde Park, in London, really one of the older bastions of the right to say anything, eventually became the abode of madmen and Englishmen, who brought such rights of expression freedoms forward to such an extent that they eventually started resembling lunatic howlings pronounced to an audience of largely the same.

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    Having users register their real names and contact information with the admins would encourage some posters to reflect on what and how they state their opinions. I for one would like to see this and would probably be more active on here, if the tone does improve ...

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    I'd much rather see an aggressively-policed approach to one that requires disclosure of personal information. I ran a very well-trafficked blog for years that eventually ran into some serious community behavioral issues; the antidote was simple: any users who refused to engage in civil, polite discussion, or who would de-rail threads with off-topic/off-point distractions were banned without hesitation. (Usually this would follow a warning, and then a one-week time-out.) The results were astoundingly positive. Large communities like MetaFilter operate along similar lines with great success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    I'd much rather see an aggressively-policed approach to one that requires disclosure of personal information. I ran a very well-trafficked blog for years that eventually ran into some serious community behavioral issues; the antidote was simple: any users who refused to engage in civil, polite discussion, or who would de-rail threads with off-topic/off-point distractions were banned without hesitation. (Usually this would follow a warning, and then a one-week time-out.) The results were astoundingly positive. Large communities like MetaFilter operate along similar lines with great success.
    This banning techniques generally creates animosity between members, eventually resulting in teams of people ganging up on the other "teams"
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    Anyone see that Donald Trump tv show last week? I don't know the name of it but caught part of the show. A fascinating case study in offering up opinions. This episode should be shown in every school and university in the country!

    Lou Ferigno was on it. When asked by Donald Trump which video he thought was best, Ferigno said he thought the competing team's video was better than than his own team's video. Now, keep in mind that the Entertainment coupon book people had already selected a winner. Trump apprently fired Ferigno for not supporting his team by lying to Trump himself.

    Fascinating!


    Maybe the solution is for every user to have two user names, one real and one fictional.
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    ^ I've finally come up with a "signature".

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    Cross-reference to posts starting at #159 at the link below.

    A question for debate: Should known participants have to clarify or recuse themselves on some c2e threads? Should their statements here be considered personal opinion or something else?


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    On a board that allows anonymous posting, a rule requring clarification or recusment of posters with a vested interest would ultimately be kind of pointless. Yeah, we all know that IanO is involved with certain organizations around town, but we have no way of knowing anything about ChukBoy69 who could be posting on the same topics, and, for all we know, working for some off-line party to advance their opinions on C2E.
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