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    Gaetz/QEII - I haven't been on the projects webpage in a while but it has been updated to show what to expect in 2017. It also shows a new overall finalized picture of the project. NOTE: This picture does not include the northern part of the project. If you right click and save the image to your desktop, you can then view the image in its full resolution.

    All of this is right here:
    http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/5969.htm
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    As for Gaetz/QE2 they've completed most of the pile driving for all bridges (Gaetz and Taylor Drive), the old Gaetz SB to QE2 SB bridge is closed but not demolished yet.

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    They have funded 3 laning the portion between Airdrie and Carstairs...
    http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...ram.pdf#page=3

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    Man, that's a long list of projects. Would be nice if they'd included a map.

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    There is a map of construction projects - go to AB Transportation's website.
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    You can find the project page here;
    http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...cts/index.html
    Some of the projects do have more detailed information on each project page as well

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    Leduc Mayor pushing for 2nd interchange at EIA
    http://www.630ched.com/2017/03/27/164159/
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    For reference, this is what he's talking about...


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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    They have funded 3 laning the portion between Airdrie and Carstairs...
    http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...ram.pdf#page=3
    Also exciting is that they're addressing the death trap clover at highway 53 (Rimbey/Ponoka) though I'm not sure what the upgrades will entail. I really like the province's commitment to improving QE2, all things considered.

    On the other hand, the lack of anything in the foreseeable future for Henday SW is nothing short of horrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sundance View Post
    They have funded 3 laning the portion between Airdrie and Carstairs...
    http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...ram.pdf#page=3
    Also exciting is that they're addressing the death trap clover at highway 53 (Rimbey/Ponoka) though I'm not sure what the upgrades will entail. I really like the province's commitment to improving QE2, all things considered.
    A semi with a high load hit the west side of that overpass in January too. Its config has been messed up ever since.
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    They don't much care for my emails laying into them about Deerfoot and Henday, but they did respond to my inquiry about the highway 53 clover. The changes will be pretty much what I expected:

    We will be reconfiguring the interchange to a partial cloverleaf, similar to what was done at the Highway 2 and 27 interchange several years ago. The plan calls for removing access to the northwest and southeast loops and constructing alternative access for traffic to access Highway 53. This is an interim solution, intended to improve the access to and from Highway 2, our ultimate plans at some point in the future are to convert this interchange to a diamond configuration. Removing these two loops will remove the conflict that currently exists between traffic entering and exiting Highway 2 in short space and with a high speed differential.
    Estimating, but this project can be done for maybe $3-5 million for something that amounts to a huge increase in safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acey View Post
    They don't much care for my emails laying into them about Deerfoot and Henday, but they did respond to my inquiry about the highway 53 clover. The changes will be pretty much what I expected:

    We will be reconfiguring the interchange to a partial cloverleaf, similar to what was done at the Highway 2 and 27 interchange several years ago. The plan calls for removing access to the northwest and southeast loops and constructing alternative access for traffic to access Highway 53. This is an interim solution, intended to improve the access to and from Highway 2, our ultimate plans at some point in the future are to convert this interchange to a diamond configuration. Removing these two loops will remove the conflict that currently exists between traffic entering and exiting Highway 2 in short space and with a high speed differential.
    Estimating, but this project can be done for maybe $3-5 million for something that amounts to a huge increase in safety.
    Yah that's the way to go for the interim. Repairing the bridge there also started the other day from the high load impact back in January.
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    ^ Interim? Is the traffic on highway 53 going to reach levels that would justify something more elaborate in the foreseeable future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium48 View Post
    ^ Interim? Is the traffic on highway 53 going to reach levels that would justify something more elaborate in the foreseeable future?
    No. Long-term, they intend to remove the remaining 2 loop ramps creating a diamond, which would have less capacity than the temporary partial cloverleaf. They're probably unhappy with the radius of the loops, and the fact that they don't like Parclo B interchanges (where freeway traffic exits using the loops as opposed to enter) unless obstacles demand it.

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    I thought that AB Transportation wants to get rid of all those tight radius cloverleaf interchanges. They are not a fan of the cornering involved I guess...? The standard diamond interchange seem to work fairly well at most spots along the QEII. But the interchange at 67th Street/QEII in Red Deer would need something with more capacity to handle the traffic coming from and going to Sylvan Lake. If AB Transportation really does dislike the full and partial cloverleaf, this interchange will need attention. I'd be curious to see what they would plan to put there? Perhaps a diverging diamond interchange? That'd be neat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acey View Post
    No. Long-term, they intend to remove the remaining 2 loop ramps creating a diamond, which would have less capacity than the temporary partial cloverleaf. They're probably unhappy with the radius of the loops, and the fact that they don't like Parclo B interchanges (where freeway traffic exits using the loops as opposed to enter) unless obstacles demand it.
    So then why not remove the NE and SW loops instead of the NW and SE? I also don't see how short-radius ramps are a problem once the interchange is reconfigured to remove the weave zones and allow for longer acceleration lanes. The distance required to accelerate from 40 to 110 km/h isn't much more than that required to accelerate from 70 to 110 km/h.

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    I wonder if they'd be able to install DCMI interchanges at some of these highway junctions on the QEII. I like the concept. Freeflow traffic, no loop ramps, eliminates weaving. They may not suitable with the terrain in some places though, and would probably work best where the freeway is running at a somewhat lower elevation. Deerfoot/16 Ave N might be a good place for one of these, but I think the CP line running parallel to the freeway may make it difficult to place the side bridge on the west side.

    http://www.dcmiinterchange.com

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    ^ There is plenty of height to work with at the highway 1 / 2 interchange with deerfoot at the bottom of the valley. Another alternative would be to build a bridge over the entire existing interchange for through traffic on 16 Av, which might allow the existing portion to operate like a traffic circle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumberland View Post
    I wonder if they'd be able to install DCMI interchanges at some of these highway junctions on the QEII. I like the concept. Freeflow traffic, no loop ramps, eliminates weaving. They may not suitable with the terrain in some places though, and would probably work best where the freeway is running at a somewhat lower elevation. Deerfoot/16 Ave N might be a good place for one of these, but I think the CP line running parallel to the freeway may make it difficult to place the side bridge on the west side.

    That's basically a grade-separated version of the DDI interchange going up at Macleod/162 Ave in Calgary right now. It's far more suited to urban environments and the extra bridges would make it too cost prohibitive for almost all locations on QEII where a diamond would achieve an acceptable level of service at much less cost.

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    This thread has been pretty quiet lately.

    QEII/Gaetz interchange has a completion date of Oct. 2018. Anyone been thru there lately? I don't know if they are going to make it. But I'm not in road construction so what do I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cumberland View Post
    I wonder if they'd be able to install DCMI interchanges at some of these highway junctions on the QEII. I like the concept. Freeflow traffic, no loop ramps, eliminates weaving. They may not suitable with the terrain in some places though, and would probably work best where the freeway is running at a somewhat lower elevation. Deerfoot/16 Ave N might be a good place for one of these, but I think the CP line running parallel to the freeway may make it difficult to place the side bridge on the west side.

    http://www.dcmiinterchange.com
    It looks like the City of Calgary is planning to convert it to a Three-level diamond (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-...nd_interchange) and the improvements would include an interchange at 19 Street NE and a reconfiguration of the cloverleaf at 16th & Barlow; see http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation...ded-option.png.

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    I was through there 2-3 weeks ago, the old bridge which connected southbound Gaetz Ave with Hwy 2 has been removed and the QEII lanes have been realigned. They also installed some high mast lighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmuzika View Post
    I was through there 2-3 weeks ago, the old bridge which connected southbound Gaetz Ave with Hwy 2 has been removed and the QEII lanes have been realigned. They also installed some high mast lighting.

    Yah it's coming along. The northbound lanes of the new alignment open in the next few days (minus the bridges).
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    AB Transportation has construction cameras at the Gaetz/QE2 interchange site, you can access them here;
    http://alberta.owlbox.ca/HomeDiscovery.aspx?homeID=1425

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    Looks like the first bridge structure is set to open to traffic tomorrow at QEII/Gaetz. (For at least a little bit of time.)

    Southbound Highway 2 traffic approaching Hwy2A/Taylor Drive will be temporarily detoured onto the recently completed bridge structure over Taylor Drive as of Tuesday, November 7, 2017

    https://www.transportation.alberta.ca/5969.htm
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    Contacted AB Trans about tractor-trailer parking since the western frontage road is being closed. Currently, the western frontage road accomodates large trucks because it is a one way street w/ parking on the shoulder.

    This is what was asked:
    I have a question regarding the permenant closure of the Gas Alley West Frontage Road.

    When the new roundabout opens, the west frontage road will close. Currently, the west frontage road accomodates semi parking so drivers can utilize the services on the west side of Gas Alley. When this closes, is there a plan in place to allow drivers to park their rigs with ease? Such as a pull-through parking lot?

    Myself and some others have asked about this before, but nobody seems to know what the plan is.


    I got this response:

    thank you for your email. While trucks will still be able to access Gasoline Alley West, there are no plans for a designated parking lot or parking area to be provided by Alberta Transportation as part of this project. The businesses however may individually choose to accommodate trucks on their properties. You may also want to contact Red Deer County to see what their future plans are to accommodate trucks in the area.

    I have yet to contact RD County about it. But I'm hoping a pull through lot is built for the truckers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan View Post
    But the interchange at 67th Street/QEII in Red Deer would need something with more capacity to handle the traffic coming from and going to Sylvan Lake. If AB Transportation really does dislike the full and partial cloverleaf, this interchange will need attention. I'd be curious to see what they would plan to put there? Perhaps a diverging diamond interchange? That'd be neat.
    Regarding the 67th St./QEII interchange....I took another look at the functional plans and found what they plan to put there, at least what they plan to put there in 2011 when the plan was drawn up. There were two drawings made around the 67th/QEII interchange, the first one being on page 65 of the linked document. The first one looks to be the plan for a 6 lane QEII. This design is very similar to what exists now. Things to note are on/off-ramps are slightly re-aligned. The north bridge structure is modified and the parclo loops are modified.However, on page 72, there is another drawing which is called the 'Long Term Stage Plan'. Major modification here. Existing bridge structures modified. More bridge structures added. A free flowing NB QEII to WB HWY11 loop. Elimination of a set of lights. Looks really nice. Other things to note in this document are a design speed of 130kph shown in page 64. The 11A interchange is shown modified for the 'Long Term Stage Plan' on page 73.Right click, select 'Show Navigation Pane Buttons'. Select the 'Page Thumbnails' button in the top left. Pages and page numbers will populate on the left. Those are the page numbers I'm going by.http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...aningPlans.pdf
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    ^ How many people actually use that interchange to access Sylvan Lake? Shortest route from Calgary is via 54 / 781. Shortest route from Edmonton is via 11A. Many commuters to / from Red Deer will just cross highway 2 and continue into Red Deer on 67 St.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium48 View Post
    ^ How many people actually use that interchange to access Sylvan Lake? Shortest route from Calgary is via 54 / 781. Shortest route from Edmonton is via 11A. Many commuters to / from Red Deer will just cross highway 2 and continue into Red Deer on 67 St.
    Well, looking at the AADT counts... it looks like a lot. I'm looking at raw data collected on Wednesday, May 18, 2016. Traffic counts for vehicles COMING FROM THE SOUTH ON 2 (NB QEII) and turning LEFT to proceed WB on 11 were a total of 4530. This data was collected between the hours of 7am to 7pm (12hr run).I think the designers of that plan put quite a bit of emphasis on the removal of that traffic light on the east side of the overpass structure as well. The data is located on the AB Trans website. There is a really good interactive map set up. Zoom to QEII/67th St interchange. Click on the little intersection symbol (82330) and then click on 'Raw' in the top right - it's an excel document. The years that are listed below 'Raw' are AADT estimates only. The raw data is accurate.http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/mapping/
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    Quote Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan View Post
    QEII/Gaetz interchange has a completion date of Oct. 2018.
    Actually.... scratch that. The completion date for this project is 2019. It opens to traffic (but will remain a construction zone) in the fall of this year. Kind of funny, during all the announcements of this project, the gov made it sound like it would be 100% finished in 2018. But 100% completion has always been 2019. Flatirons webpage on the project has always said 2019 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Gasoline Alley has devolved into one of the most inconvenient, crowded, inhospitable and poorly-developed rest stops on God's green Earth. It's even worse now that it also doubles as Red Deer's version of South Edmonton Common.
    Gasoline Alley is getting signalized intersections now it seems. I was in there last week and was surprised to see signal lights up by the Shell station on the west side. They weren't online yet tho, just set up. So I guess it depends on how you look at it, more/less chaos. The residential area is also in full swing, houses are going up. **** is getting real down there.
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    I noticed that new residential subdivision too. I’m always surprised that no development has taken place west of Hwy 2 at the 32 st overpass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    I noticed that new residential subdivision too. I’m always surprised that no development has taken place west of Hwy 2 at the 32 st overpass.
    City of Red Deer would probably flip out (again) if RD County wanted to put a residential town at 2/32 St. They flipped out at the current development in Gas Alley back in the mid '00's. That being said, there are already quite a few homes in that area. Not right at 32 St, but in a wider geographic area. Google maps shows it well. Also, RD County has no intention of giving that land up to the City, even their 100 year vision made in 2011(?) shows this. However, the City will eventually get all the commercial/industrial on the west side of QEII, north of the Red Deer River. They already have some of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan View Post
    Contacted AB Trans about tractor-trailer parking since the western frontage road is being closed. Currently, the western frontage road accomodates large trucks because it is a one way street w/ parking on the shoulder.

    This is what was asked:
    I have a question regarding the permenant closure of the Gas Alley West Frontage Road.

    When the new roundabout opens, the west frontage road will close. Currently, the west frontage road accomodates semi parking so drivers can utilize the services on the west side of Gas Alley. When this closes, is there a plan in place to allow drivers to park their rigs with ease? Such as a pull-through parking lot?

    Myself and some others have asked about this before, but nobody seems to know what the plan is.


    I got this response:

    thank you for your email. While trucks will still be able to access Gasoline Alley West, there are no plans for a designated parking lot or parking area to be provided by Alberta Transportation as part of this project. The businesses however may individually choose to accommodate trucks on their properties. You may also want to contact Red Deer County to see what their future plans are to accommodate trucks in the area.

    I have yet to contact RD County about it. But I'm hoping a pull through lot is built for the truckers.
    Why do tractor-trailers need to park along the west frontage road in the first place?

    Over the years this has become a real problem as drivers have to dart back and forth across a busy road, and then pull their rigs back into traffic.

    The rigs parked along the road are obviously not fueling up. With the removal of the west frontage road, I'm guessing fewer trucks will chose to stop at Gasoline Alley to pick up coffee or donuts or whatever the reason is for parking along a public road.

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    Soooo...how is the Gaetz Ave interchange construction coming along anyway? Will it finish this year?
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    Just drove through there and it looks slow going. Not much progress since the may long weekend anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East McCauley View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by the.tru.albertan View Post
    Contacted AB Trans about tractor-trailer parking since the western frontage road is being closed. Currently, the western frontage road accomodates large trucks because it is a one way street w/ parking on the shoulder.

    This is what was asked:
    I have a question regarding the permenant closure of the Gas Alley West Frontage Road.

    When the new roundabout opens, the west frontage road will close. Currently, the west frontage road accomodates semi parking so drivers can utilize the services on the west side of Gas Alley. When this closes, is there a plan in place to allow drivers to park their rigs with ease? Such as a pull-through parking lot?

    Myself and some others have asked about this before, but nobody seems to know what the plan is.


    I got this response:

    thank you for your email. While trucks will still be able to access Gasoline Alley West, there are no plans for a designated parking lot or parking area to be provided by Alberta Transportation as part of this project. The businesses however may individually choose to accommodate trucks on their properties. You may also want to contact Red Deer County to see what their future plans are to accommodate trucks in the area.

    I have yet to contact RD County about it. But I'm hoping a pull through lot is built for the truckers.
    Why do tractor-trailers need to park along the west frontage road in the first place?

    Over the years this has become a real problem as drivers have to dart back and forth across a busy road, and then pull their rigs back into traffic.

    The rigs parked along the road are obviously not fueling up. With the removal of the west frontage road, I'm guessing fewer trucks will chose to stop at Gasoline Alley to pick up coffee or donuts or whatever the reason is for parking along a public road.
    Signage has always indicated that parking is allowed for 1 hour on the left shoulder. You have always been allowed to park on the left shoulder where it widens to accomodate parked vehicles (Around Peters Drive-In approach). Upstream of that is no parking because the shoulder is not widened (around Tim Hortons) - BUT, it always used to be a parking spot, but someone thought it would be wise to remove the shoulder and add a lane there. You can see this on Google StreetView in the 2012 images. Anyway, yes I see your point, but these drivers really need parking that is easy to access.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Soooo...how is the Gaetz Ave interchange construction coming along anyway? Will it finish this year?
    Still on track for an October opening to traffic. I was going to make a post on whether we should start placing bets. They still have A LOT of work to do, but at least now we can see where everything will be rather than looking at a total mess. Total 'finish' isn't until next year. I imagine the people in Penhold will be celebrating in the streets when it's done lol.
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    And the truth shall set you free...

    Western frontage road is closing the week of July 16th as the new roundabout is opening. So the parking along the 1 way western frontage will no longer be available. This marks the beginning of a real **** show IMO. Why? Turns out there is a plan for commercial drivers to park their trucks.... down by the Highway 42/QEII interchange. I guess Red Deer County really doesn't want big trucks in Gas Alley anymore. But since that's where all the services are, they are still going to try to find a place to park.... probably gonna be pretty nasty for them. https://www.transportation.alberta.ca/5969.htm
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    And the saga continues....

    The western frontage road was supposed to
    close during the week of July 16th. However, that was delayed until the 23rd.
    But it has been delayed again until the 27th. Rumours were that it's delayed
    because of backlash from the frontage road closing.

    This has become quite
    the flash point over this project. Lots of angry people saying the road should
    remain as is.

    Anyway, Gasoline Alley 2.0 is incoming at QEII/Hwy42.
    Going to be called 'Junction 42.' More about that in this article below.

    https://rdnewsnow.com/article/592776...-truck-drivers
    When did punk rock become so safe? When did the scene become a joke?
    The kids who used to live for beer and speed, now want their fries and coke.

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    That's precisely what the QE2 needs, more sprawl.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    I think Junction 42 is a good idea. There'll be a lot more space for trucks and services. The west service road kinda sucks.

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    Very good. Look forward to it. I’ll be driving by tomorrow and checking the progress of it. Heading to Vancouver for a few days......and in other news, RCMP retiring 14 sniffer dogs due to marijuana legalization and Blackfalds reaches 10,000 population. lol
    Last edited by Drumbones; 26-07-2018 at 12:32 AM.

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    Thanks for the update.

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    The services on Gasoline Alley are great, but the mix of retail, movie theatres and other amenities are probably too much for trucks.
    "Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.

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    I hear the western frontage road closed this morning.
    When did punk rock become so safe? When did the scene become a joke?
    The kids who used to live for beer and speed, now want their fries and coke.

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