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    Michael Parkatti ‏@mparkatti 1h1 hour ago
    Remember when we lost this dope Courthouse for a ****** mall with a Winners? Me neither. Thx, "Greatest Generation".


    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    A description. Sounded very nice.

    Court House(Built: 1911)
    Constructed in 1911, this building housed the Supreme and District Courts until 1972, when it was sold to Woodwards and demolished for the construction of Edmonton Centre. This Greek templelike building had a sandstone exterior and granite foundation. The interior showed a classical elegance with Greek columns, a marble staircase
    http://www.epl.ca/photo-collections?...tion=Buildings

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    Tore down the Court House and now they want to save the decrepit Iron Works Building???


    The box that the Mac Hotel came in, was gratefully disposed of.

    BTW, what is that small building right in the center facing north, with the columns? Was the National Bank building been expanded with a west annex with a matching facade or did they tear the original building down?
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    I wanna say it got torn down as its not the same height https://www.google.ca/maps/@53.54331...7i13312!8i6656

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Tore down the Court House and now they want to save the decrepit Iron Works Building???


    The box that the Mac Hotel came in, was gratefully disposed of.

    BTW, what is that small building right in the center facing north, with the columns? Was the National Bank building been expanded with a west annex with a matching facade or did they tear the original building down?
    Why are you comparing 1970 Edmonton decisions to today?
    Yea, the City is trying to save it because its the not same mentality or culture that gutted this City of so many architectural landmarks.

    Do your decisions get compared to what your parents did on the same subject forty+ years before?

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    I'd still love to see a website where you could time travel around our streets and avenues, turn and face any direction and slide back and forth through the photos from past decades. Google street view like functionality as best as can be designed using old photos in the City Archives, etc.

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    A notable quote:


    Also, entire article is worth reading...

    Longing for the Old Penn Station? In the End, It Wasn’t So Great

    Building Blocks
    By DAVID W. DUNLAP DEC. 30, 2015


    "The tragedy is that our own times not only could not produce such a building,” Ada Louise Huxtable wrote in The New York Times, in 1963, “but cannot even maintain it.”


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/ny...yt-region&_r=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
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    Michael Parkatti ‏@mparkatti 1h1 hour ago
    Remember when we lost this dope Courthouse for a ****** mall with a Winners? Me neither. Thx, "Greatest Generation".


    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    A description. Sounded very nice.

    Court House(Built: 1911)
    Constructed in 1911, this building housed the Supreme and District Courts until 1972, when it was sold to Woodwards and demolished for the construction of Edmonton Centre. This Greek templelike building had a sandstone exterior and granite foundation. The interior showed a classical elegance with Greek columns, a marble staircase
    http://www.epl.ca/photo-collections?...tion=Buildings
    Can't blame a generation of people for a stupid city council, same as today. You think the average person wanted these nice buildings torn down, I don't think so. Same as all the screw ups of today can't be blamed on folks, it's a few at the city that are responsible.

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    Of all the buildings in that picture the one I really can't figure out how they were able to convince to tear down was the court house. For me I totally love that style of architecture and it make my heart ache to think we had that building here once and was replaced by a giant faceless box on that same piece of land.
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    FROM THE ARCHIVES Dec. 13, 1982: The Tegler Building goes out with a bang

    Dust cloud chokes out downtown Edmonton as former home to Zellers falls


    On the final day of its existence, the Tegler Building was reduced to a pile of rubble on the corner of 101st Street and 102nd Avenue.

    Demolishing the historic building was a spectacle not often seen in the downtown. A crowd of onlookers had gathered for a last glimpse.

    Once the tallest building in Edmonton, the seven-storey Tegler Building was built by Robert Tegler in 1912. It was two storeys taller than any other building in the city.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...bang-1.3897149

    Watch the news clip from 1982:
    http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/833294915750/

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    8 seconds to come down, 34 years of failure and despisement and counting.
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    I laughed then cried at the last bit of the video when the reporter said a new parking lot will be built on that site.

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    ^ for better or worse, I think I might rather have a parking lot than the stupid BMO building. Its perpetual vacancy and nearly always locked doors are damning testament to its obvious utter uselessness.


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    Michael Parkatti ‏@mparkatti 1h1 hour ago
    Remember when we lost this dope Courthouse for a ****** mall with a Winners? Me neither. Thx, "Greatest Generation".


    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    A description. Sounded very nice.

    Court House(Built: 1911)
    Constructed in 1911, this building housed the Supreme and District Courts until 1972, when it was sold to Woodwards and demolished for the construction of Edmonton Centre. This Greek templelike building had a sandstone exterior and granite foundation. The interior showed a classical elegance with Greek columns, a marble staircase
    http://www.epl.ca/photo-collections?...tion=Buildings
    Can't blame a generation of people for a stupid city council, same as today. You think the average person wanted these nice buildings torn down, I don't think so. Same as all the screw ups of today can't be blamed on folks, it's a few at the city that are responsible.

    Regarding the Tegler:

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    ^ for better or worse, I think I might rather have a parking lot than the stupid BMO building. Its perpetual vacancy and nearly always locked doors are damning testament to its obvious utter uselessness.


    Oh, and CBC, learn how to count.


    If anyone has access to the Ed Journal archives, there are articles here:

    Council to save tegler building. (1981, July Edmonton Journal, p. B2

    Ovenden, N. (1982, February 10). Flip-flop, the Tegler may drop. Edmonton Journal, pp. A1-A2



    I may have quoted this paper elsewhere on c2e. It's a very interesting read.

    A Reluctant Regime: Economic Development and Desperation in the City of Edmonton
    Shawn Riedenberger
    A thesis submitted to the Faculty of Graduate Studies and Research in partial fulfillrnent of the requirements for the degree of Master of Arts.
    Department of Political Science
    Edmonton, Alberta Spring 2001

    The Downtown Area Redevelopment Plan (DARP) not only restricted city planners' intervention into downtown development, it would also signal a change in the composition of city council. Soon after the DARP bylaw was passed,city council began to reassert itself in a new manner. In short, a corporate faction emerged within council with an activist agenda. The two events that triggered this change in ideology within council were the Bank of Montreal Development project and a fierce debate over the demolition of Edmonton's oldest office structure, the Tegler. The Bank of Montreal purchased a block of land that contained the Tegler Building in 1978. They immediately filed an application with city council for a dernolition permit, and were granted this request by an overwhelming vote of 9-2 by council in July of 198160Council had originally intended to designate the Tegler Building as an historical site. However,by February 1982, al1 but three councilors, including two of the four members of URGE, had abandoned their support and voted to withdraw the building's designation, clearing the way for Tegler's demolition.

    Edmonton's council changed its mind for two reasons, both of which would besymbolicforfuturedevelopmentprojects. ThefirstwastheBankof Montreal's use of pressure tactics that would foreshadow measures used by the Triple Five corporation as well as individual entrepreneurs such as Peter Pocklington. The Bank's strategies included attempts to wam Edmonton's citizenry about the costs of maintaining the Tegler Building, threats of possible movement in the bank's expansion plans in future years, and suggestions that council was becoming inward-looking and not receptive to public opinion6' Secondly, along with the pressure placed on them by the bank, the downtum in the provincial and federal economies as well as the National Energy Program meant that council and its senior bureaucratswere focused on chance economic development strategies that could funnel more money into the city's coffers.
    ...
    City Council was vulnerable in its negotiations with the Bank of Montreal over the Tegler property. Negotiations began at a time when the Alsands Project al1 but collapsed, and Edmonton's housing sales began to slump. Compounding the problem was the closing of eight major fumiture stores by 1983.64 Despite a variety of objections frorn city plannem. who cited regulations in the DARP bylaw as well as the General Municipal Plan, city council finally gave in to the bank's demands in June 1 ~ 8 3 T.h~us, itwas economic pressure that forced Edmonton's city councif, including some URGE memben, to accepta corporate agenda for the redevelopment of the
    Tegler property.

    http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/o...04/MQ60374.pdf
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    Queens Hotel, 450 East Jasper Ave:





    I recently learned, through his obituary which ran in a francophone newspaper back in the '30s, that my great-great-grandfather owned some kind of factory in the late 1800s on the same site that eventually turned into this hotel. The Google Streetview provided by Jaron Williams at the link above suggests that the Queens was located roughly where the Jasper Ave entrance to the Shaw Conference Centre sits today.
    “Son, one day this will be an iconic structure shaping Edmonton’s skyline.”

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    Cool! Keep us posted.

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    On this thread we seem to have lost a lot of our lost building photos.

    So much for the idea that we should just take a picture and then demolish away. Today, even the pictures get old and blown away.

    All is soon forgotten I guess.

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    Interesting angle:

    Any idea where and when in downtown Edmonton this photo was taken? - Edmonton

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Edmonton/co...edmonton_this/


    https://m.imgur.com/ClSepBe
    bolding mine
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    Hear the cheers


    From the archives: Tegler Building in downtown Edmonton demolished in 1982 | Watch ...

    https://globalnews.ca/video/3833641/...lished-in-1982


    The debate over preserving Calgary's architectural heritage


    “Call me elitist, but I wouldn't trust the masses to vote on which buildings to keep or whether we should. The majority, no doubt, would prefer tax cuts and shopping malls. I have faith in the theoreticians and policymakers who understand heritage issues and can balance competing interests.”

    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3581079




    Bolding mine
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    Those Carnegie libraries were built all over the place, and they all looked kinda the same. And the Classical Revival kind of clashes with the Gothic Revival of the Mac. Can't say I'd have been overly sad to see it torn down, but I assume that's a minority view here.

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    The Mac was almost demolished too. It was by a very short hair that it was saved, in case you didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    The Mac was almost demolished too. It was by a very short hair that it was saved, in case you didn't know.
    Yeah, I remember that. Kind of a scandal, in my books, but then, I recognize that these things come down mostly to personal taste.

    I remember before it reopened, Pocklington suggesting that City Hall be moved to the Mac. I quite liked that idea, though I think the City Hall we ended up with is cool too.

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    Edmonton’s Lost Banks

    Lawrence Herzog September 9, 2014

    https://citymuseumedmonton.ca/2014/0...ns-lost-banks/

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Those Carnegie libraries were built all over the place, and they all looked kinda the same. And the Classical Revival kind of clashes with the Gothic Revival of the Mac. Can't say I'd have been overly sad to see it torn down, but I assume that's a minority view here.
    “built all over the place” “all looked kinda the same”
    Like legislatures, forts, hotels...

    Ours was one of 14 outside Ontario. Did Calgary get one? Long gone too?


    Carnegie libraries

    “... in Ontario and another 14 elsewhere in Canada”

    http://www.mtc.gov.on.ca/en/libraries/carnegie.shtml
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    Could Edmonton do more to protect historic buildings? Committee to explore options Tuesday
    By KIERAN LEAVITTStarMetro Edmonton
    Mon., June 4, 2018

    “EDMONTON—After four historic properties in Glenora were demolished while under consideration for inclusion on the city’s Inventory of Historic Resources, some advocates say it’s time ...”

    https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/201...s-tuesday.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Those Carnegie libraries were built all over the place, and they all looked kinda the same. And the Classical Revival kind of clashes with the Gothic Revival of the Mac. Can't say I'd have been overly sad to see it torn down, but I assume that's a minority view here.
    “built all over the place” “all looked kinda the same”
    Like legislatures, forts, hotels...
    Yeah, well, don't get me started on what an unoriginal piece of cookie-cutter architecture our "beautiful" legislature is.

    But even then, when we built our legislature like a carbon-copy of every American state house, at least that was OUR decision. There is something a little underwhelming, on the other hand, about realizing that the reason our library looked the way it did was because the donors in New York said "Here's some money for a library, as long as you make it look like every other library that we've funded."

    That said, if you don't know why the library looked that way, AND if you're a fan of that kind of building, I guess it kinda worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
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    Those Carnegie libraries were built all over the place, and they all looked kinda the same. And the Classical Revival kind of clashes with the Gothic Revival of the Mac. Can't say I'd have been overly sad to see it torn down, but I assume that's a minority view here.
    “built all over the place” “all looked kinda the same”
    Like legislatures, forts, hotels...
    Yeah, well, don't get me started on what an unoriginal piece of cookie-cutter architecture our "beautiful" legislature is.

    But even then, when we built our legislature like a carbon-copy of every American state house, at least that was OUR decision. There is something a little underwhelming, on the other hand, about realizing that the reason our library looked the way it did was because the donors in New York said "Here's some money for a library, as long as you make it look like every other library that we've funded."

    That said, if you don't know why the library looked that way, AND if you're a fan of that kind of building, I guess it kinda worked.
    Most buildings are very similar with just cosmetic differences. Plus maybe some variation in the sizing of the big useless empty spaces (foyer, concourse, atrium...).

    You’ll have to give me some examples of creative variation that you admire and that have or could have been built here.


    I’m back. See below. Hmm.... I like these - too.
    However as for each being an “unoriginal piece of cookie-cutter architecture” - I’m ok with that too.


    Favourite Edmonton Historical Building

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    The Federal Building

    The Mac

    First Presbyterian Church(but mostly because I love the way it interacts with the ATCO building next door)
    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...rical-Building

    http://www.edmontonsarchitecturalher...eral-building/

    http://www.edmontonsarchitecturalher...tel-macdonald/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firs...rch_(Edmonton)


    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...sining,_NY.jpg


    ...and the Hollywood version in the article below, was built 2 years earlier than ours:

    Blessed Buildings – Hollywood’s Historic First Presbyterian Church – Paradise Leased
    https://paradiseleased.wordpress.com...an-church/amp/
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    Honestly, if I had Katz money, I would have asked them to allow me to deconstruct them, bring it to Edmonton and reconstruct them in a designated area. Like an activated Fort Edmonton. There is something about old and modern that I love. That theater in Van, there were so much detailed stuff that could have been salvaged, and I hope they did. What a shame! The building in Saskatoon, I would love to do something new like have a gorgeous modern hotel or condo then slap that antiquated structure ( one example) on top for a penthouse with the entire old structure building domed in with clear glass. The dome penthouse would allow for large trees/planters/garden year round as I have always fantasize green Leafs with snow lol. That would be my solution...
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