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    Not sure why someone would need sand to enjoy this location with a book. .. Why aren't you using it now? How will sand make a difference?
    I think it would mostly be a psychological effect. "Hey, let's go to the beach!!", to some people, sounds more exotic and exciting than "Hey, let's go to the valley!"

    Personally, I think the whole idea is ridiculous. A development needs to respect its environment, and to me there is just nothing about the Edmonton River Valley that suggests a beach. It would be a very artificial imposition.

    Granted, I'm biased, since I don't like beaches. At all. But even still, do people who like beaches really think that one would fit in well with the surroundings of the River Valley?

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    In a province that has beaches at Sylvan Lake, Wabumum and elsewhere, I don't understand why this city has trouble grasping this concept. You don't put a beach halfway up the bloody hill from the river. It's ludicrious.

    If Hawrelak Park is a no-go, here are two better ideas for a beach:

    Idea #1
    Build the proposed canal in Rossdale. Put the beach there. I'm sure the canal can address safety concerns and such, yes?

    Idea #2
    Include a man-made lake with a beach in City Centre Airport redevelopment. Make the damn lake suitable enough for boating, swimming, etc. and keep the geese with the loose bowels away from it. Then you have Sylvan Lake within city boundaries.

    Done....gimme my consulting fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Not sure why someone would need sand to enjoy this location with a book. .. Why aren't you using it now? How will sand make a difference?
    I think it would mostly be a psychological effect. "Hey, let's go to the beach!!", to some people, sounds more exotic and exciting than "Hey, let's go to the valley!"

    Personally, I think the whole idea is ridiculous. A development needs to respect its environment, and to me there is just nothing about the Edmonton River Valley that suggests a beach. It would be a very artificial imposition.

    Granted, I'm biased, since I don't like beaches. At all. But even still, do people who like beaches really think that one would fit in well with the surroundings of the River Valley?
    Who here has been to Sugar Beach?!
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    Sugar Beach is not halfway up a hill from the water.

    It's on a pier on the water - omg won't someone please think of the children

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    ^ Doesn't change the fact that you have NO interaction with the water... It's also next to a shipping plant where tankers are offloading cargo holds full of sugar. It's not in a pretty area of town, nor is there a lot of parking or fantastic transit connections nor is there a crap load of ressy around it.

    I didn;t ask if you have seen a picture of it I asked if you have BEEN to it?
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    Follow the link to see where the beech is via google maps.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=sugar...51580&t=h&z=17
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    Louise McKinney Park beach - presentation info plus online survey
    http://edmonton.ca/city_government/n...h-edition.aspx

    in the poll, I mentioned that the beach should be adjacent to the river, not separated by the promenade as per last proposal I saw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overoceans View Post
    Personally, I think the whole idea is ridiculous. A development needs to respect its environment, and to me there is just nothing about the Edmonton River Valley that suggests a beach. It would be a very artificial imposition.
    I agree. In fact, I think it's an idiotic waste of money. If you're going to do something like this, you have to be able to actually go in the water (like Lake Summerside.)

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    Just finished the survey and blasted them for the beach idea.

    A classic example of bureaucratic group think from people who have no expertise in this area whatsoever. Thunderously earnest and stupid.

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    I actually really like the idea. You will be able to see the water, but have a unique experience by sitting in sand with Muskoka chairs. Love the idea of fire pits, umbrellas.
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    ^ Same here... After hanging out on sugar beech I get it..
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    Ditto. Love the idea.

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    And when the river floods you do have the beach right on the water lol.
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    MARCH 4, 2014

    PRE-CONSULTATION PRESENTATIONS (Closed to the Public)

    Louise McKinney Park Riverfront Building and Plaza
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    I would like to see the riverwalk extended to the pedestrian bridge, but that will have to wait until that bridge is replaced by the LRT bridge.
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    ^^hmmmmm, I wonder what kind of riverfront building and how big the plaza would be?

    ^Well with luck they will take the opportunity to link to the new bridge while all the area is closed because of the construction.
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    What I would love to see is from the current line building a set of tiered buildings going up the hill to become visible and connected with Shaw and Grierson Hill. Could be a bunch of competing cafés, restaurants, and with south facing windows and patios would be a destination. But most importantly would be visible.
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    That would be sweet, but the usual protectionist zealots won't agree.
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    I don't agree, whatever that makes me.
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    Saw the rendering for the restaurant... Holy crap
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Saw the rendering for the restaurant... Holy crap
    Would this be in the existing CRU or a new structure?

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    I saw the business plan for the restaurant... Holy crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
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    Saw the rendering for the restaurant... Holy crap
    Would this be in the existing CRU or a new structure?
    New and incredible.
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    ^where exactly would it be?
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    City moving forward on planned restaurant in Louise McKinney Park
    Restaurant part of larger park makeover, could open in 2 years

    CBC News Posted: Jan 09, 2015

    Design plans are in the works for a new restaurant to be built in the heart of Edmonton’s Louise McKinney Park.

    The City of Edmonton is planning on building the restaurant, and then would lease out the space — a similar arrangement to that in place for the Three Bananas Cafe in Sir Winston Churchill Square.

    Although a formal plan hasn’t yet been made, the restaurant will likely have seating for 40 to 70 people indoors, with another 30 to 40 seats on an outdoor patio.

    “I don’t think we necessarily are looking for a fine dining experience,” said Sean Buchanan, the city’s project coordinator for Park and Facility Development.

    Buchanan said the proposed restaurant, which would be built on what is now green space just south of the main parking lot, is part of the city’s plan to make the park a one-stop shop for all Edmontonians.

    “You can just come off the trail and grab a coffee or something to eat, either sit indoors or on a nice day sit on an outdoor patio,” Buchanan said.
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    So above the segway rental and to the west of the stage? About right? Great location with an improved staircase and access from Jasper Ave, and it has parking. So all bases are covered. So stoked.
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    Yup, excellent idea... but it will need to be a destination draw to be long term.
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    What type of restaurant would work there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    What type of restaurant would work there?
    Would like to see a place that facilitates counter service for quick take out pick ups as well as sit down dining. Of course Outdoor tables should be part of this. Some wine and beer sales.

    To me this is the right concept for this location;

    http://www.marcellos.ca/home.asp

    Heh, didn't even know they are already in Edmonton. What a hidden location. I've visited Marcellos in other cities. A bit pricy but take just what you want and fuel your tank with quick service. just whats needed in a high energy trail environment imo.

    Actually what Buchanan is stating is bang on with what I'm visualizing. Just makes the most user sense to have the most convenience based layout. It would be popular.
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    It will be interesting to see what pans out for I will want to stop by for a pint or sandwich while biking but also want something a little more mid range for dinner when friends come into town.

    Perhaps a cafe open all day with a dining room in the evening?
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    I will bet anyone that including rent and whatever the owner profits combined would be lucky to pay a tenth the costs to build this.

    There is this notion that it would be like the Forks or whatever completely incomparable comparable they think they're shooting for.

    Big fail of how to strategically improve this City. Not as bad as the hundreds of millions misallocated into unique-in-region facilities in Coronation Park for no reason other than expediency (if that even), but definitely the same line of misguided thinking.

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    It better be more than just a cafeteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    What type of restaurant would work there?
    Would like to see a place that facilitates counter service for quick take out pick ups as well as sit down dining. Of course Outdoor tables should be part of this. Some wine and beer sales.

    To me this is the right concept for this location;

    http://www.marcellos.ca/home.asp

    Heh, didn't even know they are already in Edmonton. What a hidden location. I've visited Marcellos in other cities. A bit pricy but take just what you want and fuel your tank with quick service. just whats needed in a high energy trail environment imo.

    Actually what Buchanan is stating is bang on with what I'm visualizing. Just makes the most user sense to have the most convenience based layout. It would be popular.
    It started out really good, but there has been at least one ownership change at the ATB Place one, and it has definitely declined.

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    The Chinese garden will have an additional feature - the entrance gate - set to complete sometime later this summer. The tiles and other items that are to adorn the gate are coming from China. There are still two remaining features that are in the pipeline but will depend on fundraising efforts (unfortunately, repairs on damaged features are cutting into the budget).


    Here's a construction shot I took:

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    Wow, that's going to be awesome. I don't pass by the park enough to have noticed this new addition lately. Imagine my surprise next time I would have gone there and a big brand new gate in place, lol.

    Now I'm curious of what the other features that are planned?
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    Job No 128761397-004
    Description: To operate a Specialty Food Services (57.52sqm Public Space) with Accessory Equipment Rentals (cafe with segway rentals).
    Location: 9565 - GRIERSON HILL NW
    Plan 1521205 Blk 1 Lot 1
    Applicant: RIVER VALLEY ADVENTURE CO.
    Status: New
    Create Date: 5/12/2015 9:03:34 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Wow, that's going to be awesome. I don't pass by the park enough to have noticed this new addition lately. Imagine my surprise next time I would have gone there and a big brand new gate in place, lol.

    Now I'm curious of what the other features that are planned?
    I think the next feature will be a "nine dragon wall" then finally the addition of a winding pathway.

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    Now if they were to do that wall, it would be amazing, where could they put that though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    This being the huge problem with investing anything in the area right now which only gets vandalized at present location. Indeed much of the Chinese Garden looks different everytime I visit. Mainly due to the degrees of destruction.
    With closing the pedestrian bridge for a few yrs for LRT construction even less people will be passing through this area. A lot of the foot traffic that does exist is due to the bridge crossing being there. I think a considerable proportion of traffic comes from there to the McKinney area.

    The Chinese gardens problem is its location. You would basically have to be told its there. its not very visible from either Jasper Ave or SCC. Most people don't even know it exists. Its a rare visitor that would.

    The other problem is the top banks of the McKinney park are horrible looking. Basically weedy growth that looks nothing at all like a park. Maybe if the areas closest to Jasper Ave or SCC looked the least bit attractive it might entice people to actually view this as a park. As it is its the least loved park aside from the concrete infrastructure we keep putting in there. But the landscaping? Looks like a bomb dropped around there.
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    The park needs a playground.
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    Playground will help. The biggest problem though is there is very poor access from Jasper Ave. If they want to help the area I say they should consider either stairs down from 96 St. (the Armature) and a crosswalk or a pedestrian bridge from that same location to help people get to the park easily.
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    Was there today, quite busy with walkers. Dogs, bikes, segways etc.

    The cafe was steady, pictures tomorrow.
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    Something needs to be done with the space in front of and around the cafe and washrooms. It just feels so empty there. All there is, is poorly maintained, weed choked grass and a couple bike racks. Some benches, trees, or other landscaping would really help.

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    That would be a good spot for Gen-Why's Chill-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Something needs to be done with the space in front of and around the cafe and washrooms. It just feels so empty there. All there is, is poorly maintained, weed choked grass and a couple bike racks. Some benches, trees, or other landscaping would really help.
    Yeah. Aside from what Ian is saying the place and area is usually so empty that on evening walks I look over the shoulder feeling a bit uneasy about the place.

    Rarely see even more than a group of people frequenting the place. When theres no events there at Louise McKinney its dead there. complete ghostpark. Its a shame but all badly designed. Like I said if access were better, if it looked visually appealing at all from Jasper maybe people would take the time. That the top scree bordering Jasper ave looks like a disgusting weedy mess doesn't help entice anybody. Really its not much of a park in anycase. Not a particularly enjoyable one. The promenade on the river is nice but few people know it even exists.
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    Originally posted this in the water slide thread, but it may be more appropriate here...

    A water taxi going to / from LMP, Fort Edmonton and points in between(i.e. Hawrelak, Emily Murphy, Kinsmen, Rossdale eventually, etc...) would be awesome. Points east too? Goldbar, Rundle?

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    get a couple of food vendors for different times (food trucks), something different than the cafe and also some art sales. In Victoria the lower harbour has a native art section as well as a free for all. Add a few musicians and you have people coming. And people attract more people.
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    Thanks Ajs, the "Chill In" is supposed to run alongside my buddy's REFUGE In The Park event at LM Park for June 26 or 27th (date not set in stone). REFUGE takes places above the cafe/washrooms there playing relaxing and peaceful house music spun by local DJs from 4pm until about 11pm. The "Chill In" will be around it, with REFUGE music as a backdrop with a BBQ, games, drinks, more music, people selling wares, and whatever else we think of/people bring. Check it out May 24th... It might crash and burn, but we're young and will keep trying to get folks to enjoy underutilized urban space. Facebook both events to stay in the loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Something needs to be done with the space in front of and around the cafe and washrooms. It just feels so empty there. All there is, is poorly maintained, weed choked grass and a couple bike racks. Some benches, trees, or other landscaping would really help.
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    Hey, remember when the city wanted to do something with that space and everybody lost their collective mind about it because "IT'S NOT A REAL BEACH BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TOUCH THE WATER!!!!"?

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    It's geographically unlikely that anything works any better than it already does in LMP.

    It's just too far down and too far away, that anything short of turning it into a parking lot with mall and a 'decorative lawn' fringe (and I won't be surprised if that comes up) will "draw people into this gem" (and destroy whatever is gem-like about it in the process.)

    As if we don't have enough work to do on the top of the bank.

    Plant trees in the parking lot, amp-up security to stop the panhandling-funded "vandalise-the-Chinese-Garden parties", and at least we can enjoy the vista again.

    I'd gladly accept a funicular if it meant we could destroy that gawd-awful surface parking lot staining the vista, BTW, but only if we could destroy "that gawd-awful surface parking lot staining the vista".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    Something needs to be done with the space in front of and around the cafe and washrooms. It just feels so empty there. All there is, is poorly maintained, weed choked grass and a couple bike racks. Some benches, trees, or other landscaping would really help.
    Yeah. Aside from what Ian is saying the place and area is usually so empty that on evening walks I look over the shoulder feeling a bit uneasy about the place.

    Rarely see even more than a group of people frequenting the place. When theres no events there at Louise McKinney its dead there. complete ghostpark. Its a shame but all badly designed. Like I said if access were better, if it looked visually appealing at all from Jasper maybe people would take the time. That the top scree bordering Jasper ave looks like a disgusting weedy mess doesn't help entice anybody. Really its not much of a park in anycase. Not a particularly enjoyable one. The promenade on the river is nice but few people know it even exists.
    Photos may have not captured it, but all picnic areas were well used, many people passing through, many stopping at the cafe, lots of segways, kids playing. I'd bet there were 100 people there, still low, but the busiest I have ever seen it.
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    I used to get out there a lot until recently. Less often now. But like I said if you did number counts a fair number of people use the bridge to get to the area. Always people on it. Louise McKinney is going to be even deader when the bridge closes.

    Just the way it is. Much of that "park" is poorly managed weeds and whatever growth that looks awful. The whole hill is a bit of an eyesore east of SCC.

    I'm not convinced that this sloping poorly managed hill will ever work out too much. Might be a case of sinking bad money into it.

    To say that the customers for the rental shop and café or whatever it is are underwhelming is understatement. These are part time of the year operations which are rarely busy.

    Its a half baked out of the way location.
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    Broken record alert: Program the stage at LMP.

    Staples' article in the Journal today about New Westminster praises the waterfront development. It's really nice, no doubt, but I visited there on more than one occasion because there was stuff going on - bands, theatre, what have you...

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    People have to figure out that this is much farther from people magnets than Forks or Eaux Claire or Ottawa, and that plus much colder than New Westminster.

    There is no plan for winter sustainability and we have a vista the other cities don't which parking lots and gravel roofs will impact badly. Hall D badly.
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    The next Pecha Kucha will be there.

    http://www.pechakucha.org/cities/edmonton/

    Edmonton’s NextGen is pleased to present Pecha Kucha Night 22 (PKN 22)! This time it's BYOB, that is "bring your own BLANKET" because we want you all to get comfy on the grass in Louise McKinney Park!

    PKN 22 will feature presentations on local ideas, projects and musings in the 20 slides at 20 seconds per slide format made popular worldwide by Klein Dytham Architecture. We're still finalizing presenters and will update this page once they're official. Check back soon!

    Edmonton's NextGen gratefully acknowledges Stantec for its generous support as sole presenting sponsor of Pecha Kucha Nights! PKN 22 is also sponsored by: City of Edmonton, Famoso Neapolitan Pizzeria, Graphos, and Klein Dytham.

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    REFUGE Music YEG will be in Louise McKinney or above Tix on the Square at Churchill on July 11, 2015, Aug 22, 2015, and Sept 19, 2015 with the "Chill In" crew holding non-music fun and activities. Check out REFUGE here: https://www.facebook.com/RefugeMusicYEG?fref=ts.

    REFUGE does low-key and mellow house music from (I think, if I remember) 4pm until 10pm. The "Chill In' teamed up with them to get more folks just at the park for non-music related reasons and to get more people enjoying the park as a space in general - which was a little what REFUGE was attempting to do. Should be a really good turnout with the two teams working together this year, but I know last year - and especially their final show - the turnout was pretty big. Nothing beats a couple hundred folks in the park on a Saturday night not drinking alcohol and doing drugs. Family friendly, all kinds of stuff happening. I know REFUGE is for a younger crowd (and not quite my scene either) but the mere fact that you can people watch is a biggie. Some interesting people usually come out.
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    Saw on the news the other day that some douche canoe drove all over the grass, tearing it all up to pieces.

    Here's the story:
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    How is there no CCTV in City Parks? At this point the cost is so minimal. Is it a legal thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    How is there no CCTV in City Parks? At this point the cost is so minimal. Is it a legal thing?
    How could it be a problem For the City of Edmonton to have cameras in public parks but not other cities? That being said, down at the public bathrooms by the football/rugby club and fields at the Kinsmen has cameras on the outside, so why not elsewhere? I would love to see cameras to help catch asshats like this who need to be punished... Severely.

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    Do you really want CCTV everywhere? No thanks.

    This was simply an idiotic random incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Do you really want CCTV everywhere? No thanks.

    This was simply an idiotic random incident.
    You're already on hundreds of cameras a day... What does a few more matter in public places?

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Do you really want CCTV everywhere? No thanks.

    This was simply an idiotic random incident.
    You're already on hundreds of cameras a day... What does a few more matter in public places?
    That's a huge maintenance expense. London is shutting down alot of their cameras because it's inequitable. Not to mention there's moral issues with it.

    I think we have to just accept that these things unfortunately happen sometimes. There's idiots everywhere but I really don't want More's Utopia.

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    if you wanna be like london? why dont you just move there if you want all this cctv.

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    To catch the jerks who did this would have taken maybe one or two cameras in the parking lot or near the entrance. There is zero need for dozens of cameras covering every square foot of public space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Do you really want CCTV everywhere? No thanks.

    This was simply an idiotic random incident.
    It's already everywhere. That's a false argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
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    How is there no CCTV in City Parks? At this point the cost is so minimal. Is it a legal thing?
    if you wanna be like london? why dont you just move there if you want all this cctv.
    Great counterpoint.

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    Since people have no right to privacy in a public space while the costs of maintaining & policing said public space are borne on the back of the public writ large I've no issue with unmonitored CCTV all over the place, provided there's sufficient policies & safeguards in place for accessing the information & no permanent archiving thereof.

    But then again I'm one of those crazies that want pervasive & comprehensive automated enforcement of drivers who don't hold up the responsibilities they agreed to when they decided to take on the responsibilities incumbent with the privilege of driving.

    CCTV is a tool, the issues with it are generally implementation-based & not an inherent flaw in the tool itself.
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    I'm really sad that idiotic vandalism of a park has turned into a debate about public CCTV. Only on C2E.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I'm really sad that idiotic vandalism of a park has turned into a debate about public CCTV. Only on C2E.
    Only on C2E would someone complain about people talking about measures to prevent & discourage vandalism after an incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    How is there no CCTV in City Parks? At this point the cost is so minimal. Is it a legal thing?
    Cost is minimal? I am putting 2,000,000 bucks worth into my building...not cheap at all...not sure why you think this is cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I'm really sad that idiotic vandalism of a park has turned into a debate about public CCTV. Only on C2E.
    Only on C2E would someone complain about people talking about measures to prevent & discourage vandalism after an incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    SDM is a troll at best of times. Wanna be forum cop tough guy.
    When you're seemingly immune from moderation it can go to your head over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
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    How is there no CCTV in City Parks? At this point the cost is so minimal. Is it a legal thing?
    Cost is minimal? I am putting 2,000,000 bucks worth into my building...not cheap at all...not sure why you think this is cheap.
    You are being ripped off then, a web cam costs about $10, and a hard drive about $100 and a few hundred for a light if needed. I realize probably needs to be a little more fancy in a commercial setting, but not $2m versus a few thousand. I am a big believer in cams in public places, I don't think there arae any privacy issues whatsoever, if you want privacy, keep your blinds closed and never leave home, because there cams everywhere already. If on the other hand, you aren't doing anything illegal that you are ashamed of, why worry? Its a shame this $^W#$ who did this isn't on a video somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
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    How is there no CCTV in City Parks? At this point the cost is so minimal. Is it a legal thing?
    Cost is minimal? I am putting 2,000,000 bucks worth into my building...not cheap at all...not sure why you think this is cheap.
    Because I can buy a wifi accessible camera that has HD video and limited night vision that I can log into from anywhere in the world for $250?
    I have also been involved with cameras that each cost $25,000 that communicated directly over fiber optic network across a multi kilometer industrial facility that were full PTZ (even had a little windshield wiper) fully resistant to corrosive atmosphere, with multi TB video recorder and controller etc. etc. etc. blah blah blah.
    So for monitoring a couple parkland areas, I think you can install a couple cameras for a reasonable price these days and the IT infrastructure is already in place in a lot of cases.
    Two million bucks...that must be a pretty important building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
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    How is there no CCTV in City Parks? At this point the cost is so minimal. Is it a legal thing?
    Cost is minimal? I am putting 2,000,000 bucks worth into my building...not cheap at all...not sure why you think this is cheap.
    Because I can buy a wifi accessible camera that has HD video and limited night vision that I can log into from anywhere in the world for $250?
    I have also been involved with cameras that each cost $25,000 that communicated directly over fiber optic network across a multi kilometer industrial facility that were full PTZ (even had a little windshield wiper) fully resistant to corrosive atmosphere, with multi TB video recorder and controller etc. etc. etc. blah blah blah.
    So for monitoring a couple parkland areas, I think you can install a couple cameras for a reasonable price these days and the IT infrastructure is already in place in a lot of cases.
    Two million bucks...that must be a pretty important building.
    Not to get off topic; but that sounds like a sick set up.

    2 million dollars worth of vandalism. What did they do; take an excavator to your building's envelope for a couple hours?

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    No vandalism.....oilpatch...still lots of money of flowing into some projects....

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    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    No vandalism.....oilpatch...still lots of money of flowing into some projects....
    Oops that was meant for Dan. I like your security though. A mini wiper?? I need that for cold nights photographing the planets lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
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    No vandalism.....oilpatch...still lots of money of flowing into some projects....
    Oops that was meant for Dan. I like your security though. A mini wiper?? I need that for cold nights photographing the planets lol
    Highlight of getting that system going was operating the wiper from five kilometres away. Anyway CCTV was just an annoyance in a infinitely larger project there.
    Now days there is tons of cheap hardware and IT servicing, even hardwire, it's damn near everywhere. Plus the city anyway has some wifi network on the go doing something, there are access points hanging off the light standards all over the place.
    There are public places where it makes sense as a deterrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
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    No vandalism.....oilpatch...still lots of money of flowing into some projects....
    Oops that was meant for Dan. I like your security though. A mini wiper?? I need that for cold nights photographing the planets lol
    Highlight of getting that system going was operating the wiper from five kilometres away. Anyway CCTV was just an annoyance in a infinitely larger project there.
    Now days there is tons of cheap hardware and IT servicing, even hardwire, it's damn near everywhere. Plus the city anyway has some wifi network on the go doing something, there are access points hanging off the light standards all over the place.
    There are public places where it makes sense as a deterrent.
    Everyone thinks A.Ps are a good thing. Trust me they're not. When Shaw installs Shaw Go Wifi in your building, expect heavy channel interference on all WIFI channels. I build this stuff for a living in the Falcon communities and am a huge advocate of minimizing Wireless tech in urban places as well as centralizing and conserving broadcasting strength.

    Nobody will listen until they realize nothing will connect to their dishwasher...

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    Have to say it sucks that most of Louise McKinney Park is closed for construction. There's the LRT construction, funicular construction plus other work going on. The Shumka stage and Chinese Garden are open. I think the public building with the shop, cafe and washrooms are open, but unless I'm going blind I couldn't find any walkable access to it.
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    That park has been a site of ongoing construction since I can remember beginning in the early 2000s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by maclac View Post
    No vandalism.....oilpatch...still lots of money of flowing into some projects....
    Oops that was meant for Dan. I like your security though. A mini wiper?? I need that for cold nights photographing the planets lol
    Highlight of getting that system going was operating the wiper from five kilometres away. Anyway CCTV was just an annoyance in a infinitely larger project there.
    Now days there is tons of cheap hardware and IT servicing, even hardwire, it's damn near everywhere. Plus the city anyway has some wifi network on the go doing something, there are access points hanging off the light standards all over the place.
    There are public places where it makes sense as a deterrent.
    Everyone thinks A.Ps are a good thing. Trust me they're not. When Shaw installs Shaw Go Wifi in your building, expect heavy channel interference on all WIFI channels. I build this stuff for a living in the Falcon communities and am a huge advocate of minimizing Wireless tech in urban places as well as centralizing and conserving broadcasting strength.

    Nobody will listen until they realize nothing will connect to their dishwasher...
    i thought it was just me who ended up putting shaw wifi on my list of networks to ignore... there were some spots where the signal and its "desire" to connect seemed to be so strong it interfered with the phone's even being able to connect to the cellular network, never mind other wifi networks, and it seemed to hand off that disconnect from one hotspot to the next.
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    Very quietly this past spring the COE Executive Committee received for information Integrated Infrastructure Services report CR_1458. This report reads, in part:

    Since the development of the “Louise McKinney Riverfront Park Vision for the Future” in 1997, a series of phased investments have been completed in the park to improve amenities and the overall infrastructure, including promenades, plaza, gardens, viewpoints and many other improvements.
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    So it's now been 21 years since the city has been "working" to improve Louise McKinney Riverfront Park and as the following photo essay will show it remains nothing short of a disgrace and an embarrassment for Edmonton. This park, with its location, its vistas, and its prominence should be a thriving focal point for the city. Instead, it's a deserted and neglected wasteland. It's shameful and pathetic; words cannot express my disgust.

    I embarked upon my voyage on a beautiful warm mid-summer's day thinking that if the park were ever to be full of people it would be on such a day. I could not have been more wrong.

    Approaching LMP from the funnicular--as many potential visitors might--you are greeted with some hopeful way-finding.


    However, if you look more closely you will see the immediate surrounds are nothing but a dirt-filled mess. This is foreshadowing for what's about to come.


    Walking to LMP you pass the detritus emblematic of LMP's social problems: garbage and homelessness (homeless people camping nearby not photographed out of respect).


    The first view of the actual park is the sorry excuse for a picnic ground. On this beautiful warm Sunday afternoon only two tables are used: one by actual diners and the other by some dude chain smoking weed (probably grown locally). Ominously, a sign that promises adventures and ice cream is about to collapse and become part of the assorted litter it overlooks.


    You could also approach from the Shaw Conference Centre but alas you would be greeted by a similar sorry spectacle. The stairs from the SCC lead directly to a dirt pit reminiscent of a junkyard. To complete the effect, there's a bike rack here along with the rusted skeleton of a long-abandoned bike that's still chained to it.


    The recycling bin has been broken into--presumably someone looking for bottles--and left behind to use as an open-air trash can. Disgusting.


    Approaching the park from this direction you're confined to a dusty gravel road. The signage for the star attraction looks homemade and printed at Staples or somesuch.


    If you choose to drive then the parking lot would be right at home in Hanna, Oyen, or any other one-horse prairie town. Oh and there's another broken-into blue bin for full effect.


    The various staircases from the parking down to the plaza and promenade are either overgrown with weeds, closed, or burned to a crisp. Pick your poison.

    Overgrown:


    Closed:


    Burned to a crisp:


    The first view of the plaza when approaching from the funicular speaks for itself. Could this be made any uglier?


    Those few brave souls attempting to enjoy the amenities are almost lost among the overgrowth.


    Who decided it would be a good idea to dedicate half of the plaza's front exposure to bathrooms? This is the cafe and patio that was promised on the sign???


    The plaza itself is only ten years old but it looks older. There seems to be no attempt whatsoever to maintain it. Weeds are everywhere, even overpowering the "feature" staircase.


    Really, this is how you treat the number one tourist attraction? I hate to think of the impression of Edmonton that visitors take away from this.


    On this beautiful sunny and warm Sunday afternoon in mid-summer the riverside promenade was virtually empty.


    The weeds have also started to overtake the embankment below the promenade. It won't be long until they find a weakness in the defense and take over the promenade itself.


    This area around the plaza and promenade was supposedly the beneficiary of the first phase of rejuvenation of the park. It's hard to tell though if there was ever any attempt at landscaping or if this park is instead some kind of eco-terrorist experiment gone horribly wrong.


    The trails to the east of the plaza deteriorate quickly into dusty country back roads.


    Even the paved trails are rendered a mess by endless amounts of litter.


    The Chinese "gardens" are just more of the same: empty and neglected.


    Two weeks after the FISE event finished there's piles and piles of debris and paraphernalia left behind adding to the mess.


    The deserted Shumka Stage overlooks the equally deserted oval lawn. More junk left behind from the FISE event gathers dust whilst the ever-present homeless tend to it.


    This one photo summarizes it very nicely: the so-called "front door to the river valley" is crudely executed, largely empty, poorly maintained, and increasingly dilapidated. Long-forgotten planters full of pathetic dying plants do little to stem the tide of decay.


    By the end of my visit I understood why the park was so empty. It's a thoroughly unpleasant place to be. Frankly, I was glad to leave.

    What's really depressing is how nothing, nothing at all, has changed. The very first post in this thread, more than ten years old, complains of being happy and dismayed. Ten years later I see no reason to be happy but many, many reasons to be dismayed. What's most depressing is that even the new parts of the park--the parts that made the thread-starter happy: the plaza, the stage, the promenade--are now all quickly falling prey to the exactly the same problems. These are problems of the city's own making. These problems are not related to transient disruptions such as LRT construction; they are related to systemic and ongoing indifference.

    The city's own literature describes LMP as being "Edmonton’s hallmark park." It needs to be treated as such: the city needs to fix this park and fix it now, not in the future. The city needs to invest in looking after their (our) property. They need to stop using LRT construction and investment in future upgrades as an excuse to do nothing now. For all the callous talk about urban beaches and riverside restaurants nothing will ever succeed unless a proper effort of looking after the place is undertaken. Short of doing that this place will remain a blight on the face of Edmonton.

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    Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Couldn't agree more. Things have deteriorated massively in the last couple years with the funicular and LRT construction in the area. It seems like the city is content with letting the entire area go to seed while those projects are worked on. Traveling through the area on a bike is a complete nightmare, with closures everywhere and useless or totally absent detour signage. It's a farce.

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    these pictures need to be sent to the mayor's office and your counsellor and questions need to be asked. Millions of dollars has been spent on this project and to have it in this type of disrepair is completely unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Couldn't agree more. Things have deteriorated massively in the last couple years with the funicular and LRT construction in the area. It seems like the city is content with letting the entire area go to seed while those projects are worked on. Traveling through the area on a bike is a complete nightmare, with closures everywhere and useless or totally absent detour signage. It's a farce.
    And much of the newly "refurbished" area of the park could continue to be maintained despite the adjacent construction projects. If anything the nearby construction should make access for maintenance easier yet they've seemingly abandoned the entire district.

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    God that park has gotten worse. It was okay 3 years ago when I last visited but needed lots of work. Have not been since and now I know why.
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    I did mention that the destruction of the pedestrian bridge would have its impacts on LMP. That bridge was always busy and with cyclists, pedestrians etc. All bringing traffic into the LMP area and at least having it be used. A large portion of the end users emanated from there.

    Anybody not understanding what has occurred to LMP does not really understand our river valley trail system very well. Millcreek ravine provided a valuable conduit to LMP usage. That artery is now gone. Done, finished. Some density housing on the southbank also provided some more users. Or people visiting Muttart, going for a stroll across the river. All that access is gone. Nobody I know likes using the deplorable low level bridge access and its terrible anyway as cyclists/pedestrians have multiple road crossings just to get to that point from Millcreek ravine. So really people just don't do it now and so that LMP is a ghost town park.

    Another facet is the years of constant construction and work in the park. Chinese gardens construction, vandalism, rehabilitation, Constant LRT construction. Its not a pleasant area to be around and the one mental image one gets I construction barricades. Its an area easily avoided. Nor can one effectively access the area from East now either. LMP is essentially cut off dead end. What stragglers do come from the Funicular quickly sense they are venturing into no mans land and what LMP looks like as the photos so aptly describe.

    Seemingly, as with most of the DT, Churhchill Square etc this is a city that just feels it can be under construction and that no efforts or actions should ever be required until everything is complete. At which point people will be told to love a park and area that they completed vacated to the vagrants that live in the area.

    LMP was always a silly concept as the North bank there is awful looking as far as vegetation. Its the dry non arable bank. Virtually nothing but scrubs growing there. The region is innately unattractive. its one of the worst possible locations on either side of river bank to try to put a park. its entirely sun bleached, baked, and exposed. With Global warming as well this would figure to be one of the poorest devised locations for a park. You have to water copiously even to keep a tree alive there.

    When is the Segway shop relocating. I can't imagine business is good there.

    lol at the wooden stairs with weed growth. Please tell me they put landscaping fabric and preparation under there. Oh but did they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
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    Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Couldn't agree more. Things have deteriorated massively in the last couple years with the funicular and LRT construction in the area. It seems like the city is content with letting the entire area go to seed while those projects are worked on. Traveling through the area on a bike is a complete nightmare, with closures everywhere and useless or totally absent detour signage. It's a farce.
    And much of the newly "refurbished" area of the park could continue to be maintained despite the adjacent construction projects. If anything the nearby construction should make access for maintenance easier yet they've seemingly abandoned the entire district.
    i will echo Marcel's "thanks".

    it's a prime example of the city ignoring existing infrastructure - the old tarnished penny - while we run around chasing shiny new ones. i once joked that the new walterdale bridge should have been painted "rust" instead of white because it would then have the same signature finish as the rest of our bridges without having to wait for it to acquire that patina all on its own.

    as well as IanO's suggestions, you might want to email those to Linda Cochrane as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    Millcreek ravine provided a valuable conduit to LMP usage. That artery is now gone. Done, finished. Some density housing on the southbank also provided some more users. Or people visiting Muttart, going for a stroll across the river. All that access is gone. Nobody I know likes using the deplorable low level bridge access and its terrible anyway as cyclists/pedestrians have multiple road crossings just to get to that point from Millcreek ravine. So really people just don't do it now and so that LMP is a ghost town park.


    That access will be replaced with the new LRT bridge, but yes, it's absence for 3+ years probably isn't helping things.

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    Given that I've been waiting for the Walterdale segment of the trail to reopen seemingly forever I'm not holding my breath on this new pedestrian portion of the LRT bridge, and access being completed anytime soon. It seems that on the list of priorities that multiuser are rarely one.

    Rather than experience a former Capital Network of closed to construction trails I just avoid it now. So sad how much we have lost in our River valley trail network and system. The Central part of it which is pretty much unusable now.
    "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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