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    Place your fond or not so fond memories of Edmonton's past here.
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    I remember when gas was .35 cents a litre--and when it went up to .40 thinking it was time to park the car!

    I remember when a nice person would come out and pump from the bowser for you and ask if you wanted your oil checked. (I always did because it was the only way it ever was checked.)

    I remember when Manulife II had shops in it. Dania Down Quilts is one that springs to mind. There used to be the best place for baklava and Turkish pizza in the food court in ML II.

    I remember coming from the south side up any hill and seeing cranes everywhere. (Oh wait this view is back, yeah!)

    I remember when the Edmonton Bay building actually had a Hudsons Bay Store in it.

    I remember when driving out to the International Airport seemed to take forever and the highlight was the grain elevator at Ellerslie with the quote John 3:16 “for God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son.” I miss that grain elevator.

    I remember when the Rat Hole was a dark and wet way to traverse 109 Street—it was unique and a hoot to drive though.

    I remember when travelling and mentioning that I was from Edmonton (…Alberta…Canada) drew blank stares and then the question how close to Toronto, Vancouver etc. inevitably followed. WEM helped change that and the World Games and the Masters and the Grand Prix…and the fact that Edmonton truly is the best city, in the best province in the best country in the world.

    Thanks Bill, I remember when you used to say this and it rang hollow—no more. Edmonton truly is a first class city and I wonder what people will say twenty years from now—what will they remember…how will Edmonton circa 2006 be remembered as?


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    I remember when stores would decorate the front of their buildings during Klondike Days. Now it's just another day to come into our stores and buy something. BORING
    I'm having people over later to stare at their phones,if you want to drop by

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    Probably more recent memories than most but here goes

    I remember living on the SE edge of Millwoods and not seeing any houses there

    I remember when Millwoods town centre was still known as "the new mall"

    I remember when travelling to West Edmonton Mall there were traffic lights and trains to stop for because the Whitemud didn't exist

    I remember when a ride on the ETS cost me $.80

    I remember when the Milner Library wasn't known as the Milner Library and when there were just concrete steps there instead of a Second Cup
    Time to grow up.

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    I remember...

    When Westmount Mall was "new".

    The Misericordia was in a field.

    Going to a drive in movie at the St. Albert Drive in and seeing Roadrunner cartoons. Eating Klondike burgers too....before there was a Village tree mall.

    Parkland drive in. Twin drive in and the movie Poltergiest.

    16X was a gravel road, then the twinning. Now it is just 16.

    The "new" LRT.

    My days in the crew room and in the jump seat flying into YXD - and how PWA was a family then...including the hockey teams.

    WEM was a dream, and a fight.

    CFRN was in the middle of nowhere.

    Centennial Mall and that copper fountain - I cut myself on it.

    The intersection/overpass on 170th and SP road. Now we have the intersection from h3ll.

    What's a Wal Mart? Is that a Woolco?
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    I remember when....

    -Television anchorpeople would dress up in Klondike garb during Klondike Days.

    - Bonnie Doon and Southgate (plus probably others) malls would set up a mini gold panning scene in the middle of the shopping centre so kids can win little prizes.

    - Drive-thru pick for groceries at Woodwards.

    - The only thing open on Sundays was drugstores and mom-and-pop stores.

    - Lining up for over 30 minutes to buy booze at ALCB liquor stores during Christmas. And paying over $20/case to buy off-sales beer at the Strat.

    Oh the memories......

    p.s. Speaking of CFRN I remember the little Indian boy they used as their mascot. Every Klondike Days the kids would get a CFRN paper Indian headdress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66
    p.s. Speaking of CFRN I remember the little Indian boy they used as their mascot. Every Klondike Days the kids would get a CFRN paper Indian headdress.
    Oh crap, I forgot about that one!!!!! Almost as funny as Popcorn Playhouse!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66
    p.s. Speaking of CFRN I remember the little Indian boy they used as their mascot. Every Klondike Days the kids would get a CFRN paper Indian headdress.
    Oh crap, I forgot about that one!!!!! Almost as funny as Popcorn Playhouse!!
    Don't diss my 'house!

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    No 'dissin' here - I ate cake there too!
    Onward and upward

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    I remember when 51 Ave was a gravel road
    When 63 Ave became 4 lanes
    When 75 st was a gravel road Where McDonaslds on cCalgary trail & 51 Ave was basically the outer edge of the city
    Where Southgate mall is was the southside drive in
    When the Derrick club was in the middle of nowhere

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    I remember 23 ave being a gravel road and there was nothing west of 119st.

    I remember my father pulling me on sleds through the Whitemud ravine and seeing dozens of abandoned cars.

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    When there was an RV campground at 51 Ave and 99 St.
    When an oil derrick just south of 51 Ave welcomed motorists into the city.
    When you entered St. Albert by reaching the bottom of the hill, travelling south on Hwy 2.
    When Leons and that old drive-in theatre off 137 Ave was in the middle of nowhere.
    When it took 45 minutes to drive down Jasper Ave on a Saturday night.
    When the A & B Sound on 106 St downtown was an ALCB store.
    When that same area of downtown was full of derelict warehouses and teeming with homeless people, drug dealers and hookers.
    When the Allard Block on Jasper and 112 St was a gravel parking lot with some colorful trailer permanently parked at the far end (can't remember what its purpose was).
    When one could drive north on the High Level Bridge.
    When the west side of 109 St downtown was a railyard with just an A&W and a CPR building.
    When the Princess Theatre on Whyte was a porn theatre (I could be wrong about this but that was the impression I had as a teenager).
    When the crossroads of Hwys 2 and 16 was the intersections of Kingsway and 109 St, plus 109 St and 111 Ave.
    When YEG was just a perfunctory bus stop for jets.
    When there were only 2 flights into the US.
    When YXD had that ugly yellow interior to greet you as you got off the plane and into the baggage pickup.


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    Ok, so I'm a little younger then some and it might show... but here I go.

    - I remember the tornado and how it threw pipe through my Dad's office window on 17th st. (he's ok...we were in victoria)

    - I remember shopping at Heritage Mall and it being busy.

    - I remember winning the cup for the last time.

    - I remember Club Malibu. (all of them) my neighbour in Duggan was a part owner

    - Visiting the Centre Club with my Dad to play squash and looking at Gretzky's locker with the plaque mounted on it

    - Woodward's.....

    - When Eagle Hardware came to town... and then left



    Sorry, I got nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey
    When the Allard Block on Jasper and 112 St was a gravel parking lot with some colorful trailer permanently parked at the far end (can't remember what its purpose was).
    That was the Motoraunt (sp?) Restaurant. They were famous for the 10 pound burger.

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    - When it was called Mayfair Park, not Hawrelak Park.

    - Edmonton police cars were coloured light yellow and white which made them look like scrambled eggs.

    - Playgrounds had monkey bars and merry-go-rounds.

    - There was a Safeway every six blocks and a bank every seven blocks.

    - Us little kids telling dad to honk his horn whenever we drove through the rathole.

    - Watching Star Wars five times one summer at the Odeon Theatre, where the Likwid Lounge occupies today on Jasper ave.

    - The "robot lady" speaking gibberish on a downtown street corner with the old preacher guy standing near her.

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    I remember when the McDonalds at Capilano mall had a Pirate Ship,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey
    When YXD had that ugly yellow interior to greet you as you got off the plane and into the baggage pickup.

    Actually, it was yellow, white, and orange, with that annoying caracture of a 737 painted in black. I remember that as it gave me nightmares of a plane on fire...
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    I remember Chi Chi's on Calgary Trail and 38th.

    I remember Bullwinkle's on Forth Road.

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    I remember when what is now the Globe was a funeral home that went through a long string of failed nightclubs, including a Club Malibu and a relocated Senor Frogs.

    I remember other old and long-gone night-time haunts from the late 80's and 1990s: Senor Frogs across from the Tin Palace, Goose Loonies, Denny Andrews' American Bar, Chase, Thunderdome, Barry T's, Cocktail Club, Bocas, Greenhouse. That was back in the days when clubs were scattered all over the city instead of concentrated in one area (Whyte, WEM, downtown).

    I remember the VIA Rail train station when it was downtown.

    I remember when CP Rail had their passenger terminal where the Iron Horse is now.

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    I remember seeing Split Enz and Joe Cocker at the Riv Rock Room, seeing the Lincolns and other great Rocking Blues acts at the Ambassador Hotel. Lucifers, The Rex, The Cap, C.I. South, "The Lucky Lady" bar at the Crest and lots of other bars with live rock bands.
    I remember the Knothole Gang at the south end of Clarke Stadium and jumping the fence to get into the "Big Stadium".
    How bad the Eskimos were in the sixties.
    Oil King games in the Edmonton Gardens.
    Ernies Steak House in Bonnie Doon Mall.
    Purple City and the disappearing alley.
    The billboard in the west end welcoming you to "Edmonton, a quarter million friendly people"
    Playing in the ravine before they built the Capilano Freeway.
    A & W being cool.
    The day they opened the Capilano McDonalds, the first one in town.
    I remember when Forest Heights Park had picnic sites with tables, fireplaces, a water-fountain in the valley and big stairways to get down to them.
    I remember when the refineries on 101 ave smelled terrible.
    CJCA was the rock and roll station.
    Sitting on the riverbank at McNally Highschool and thinking the outline of the skyline looked like Snoopy. (It was the seventies, you had to be there.)
    The Coffee Cup Cafe on Jasper Ave.
    The Wednesday Journal being really big because of Thursday night shopping.
    Going shopping downtown on Saturday and the crowds being enormous.
    The Strand Theater.
    The "White Help Only" sign for the Gibson Cafe that was painted on the back of the Flatiron Building. They should never have painted over that, it was a dark reminder of a not too distant past that should never be forgotten.
    I guess that is the end of this "stream of conciousness" I might be back with more later.

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    I remember when the Eskimos were our highest profile sports team before the Oilers moved to the NHL.
    I remember when Warren Moon was our biggest local hero before Wayne Gretzky became an international household name.
    I remember when the city had high-profile and colorful multimillionaires like Peter Pocklington.
    I remember when the Canada Day fireworks were held near the Shaw.
    I remember when Old Strathcona was a seedy no-man's land.
    I remember when 104 St downtown was nothing more than empty buildings and dusty parking lots that was dominated by the Cecil.
    I remember when the Boyle Street area had all those flophouse hotels with the "No Knives" signs.
    I remember 10 years ago when downtown was so dead on weeknights and weekends that street parking was easy to find.
    I remember the days of EdTel when they had their Talking Yellow Pages and you had to rent a phone from them.

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    I remember the Calder water tower and seeing it from my front window.
    I remember the telephone poles running from out of town down 97th St. all the way to Jasper Ave.
    I remember going along 104th Ave. between 101st and 109th and all the railway crossings going into the back alleys.
    I remember Londonderry Mall being built.
    I remember Edmonton Center being a huge hole in the ground.
    I remember the McLeod's in what is now the downtown Staples parking lot and S. Slutker's raw furs a few doors south.
    I remember the CN line going to Greisbach along what is now the trail starting at 127th Ave. half a block west of 101st St.
    I remember when the buses were all faded red and yellow.
    I remember Speedway Park and wandering around the treed area between 137th Ave. and Speedway.
    I remember when there was nothing north of 137th Ave. and 127th St. other than a couple of old houses and Speedway.
    I remember when Towne Cinema opened and going to the Saturday matinees.
    I remember when there was an IGA on the NW corner of 127th St. and 129th Ave. with an IDA on the NE corner and a gas station on the SW corner.
    I remember that Highway 2 south of town ran along what is now Fowler Road(?).
    I remember the tracks running from the CPR yards then down Mill Creek ravine.
    I remember what is now Yellowhead was an unlit dirt road drom 97th to 106th, a back road from 127th east across the tracks curving towards the airport and a 4 lane road from 127th to 156th, becoming a dirt access to the cement plant.

    What I also remember is how much a lot of things have not changed since I was a kid.

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    - The smells of the old Gainers plant by the Mill Creek swimming pool. Today there are condos in that space.

    - Spring run-off tap water.....brown with a slight odour. Today Edmonton water is the best, no need to buy bottled.

    - Buying Atari games from the Consumers Distributing catalog.

    - W.W. Arcade hardware store where you can buy any little obscure part for your home.

    - Delivering the Edmonton Journal at 5:00pm.

    (p.s. Sonic Death Monkey........It was Studio 82 on Whyte by the Mill Creek bridge that showed the porn movies)

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    My memories are from growing up in the West End of town (very close to WEM):

    - I remember when WEM was a grass and weed filled empty lot. I was there for each phase opening.

    - I remember my grandmother being very upset with my parents for moving to the west end, because the only way to get to the west end at that time was to go into downtown and go up Stony Plain Road. The Whitemud was a pipe dream that no one could envision the city spending the money.

    - I remember my grandfather being very upset about the city "swallowing" Jasper Place. At the time, the area needed some "freshening up". He was concerned it would cost the tax dollars.

    - I remember Meadowlark shopping mall being "THE" place to shop - and the "Mushroom Place". It was the name given by the local kids for the food court as they had mushroom shaped seats.

    - I remember malts from Woodwards at the counter

    - I remember my family dressing up for Klondike Days to go to the "Exhibition"

    - I remember "Shakeys" a little pizza place in the parking lot of Woolco. It had glass windows so that you could watch them make your food (very forward thinking for its day)

    - I remember a lumber yard on the corner of 170st and Stony Plain Road


    My family has been living in this city since my great-grandmother emigrated here from England in 1906. Fortunately, she lived to 102 - and we were all smart enough to write down her memories of the city.

    - She remembered people walking around the city streets with masks on their faces during the flu epidemic after the first world war (she was a nurse)

    - There was a photographer that would set up on Whyte Avenue and take pictures of people as they walked down the street. He would then develop the pictures and post them on a bulletin board. The person could then buy their picture if they recognized themselves (this was obviously before the privacy act came in!)
    Our family has some of those pictures!

    - My grandmothers family went to Rupert Street Presbyterian Church - they mourned it when it was torn down. Then they changed Rupert Street to (???) - I can't remember

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    Quote Originally Posted by mylilypad
    - I remember "Shakeys" a little pizza place in the parking lot of Woolco. It had glass windows so that you could watch them make your food (very forward thinking for its day)
    OMG Shakeys and their pizza was legendary!!!!! All you can eat, and I took advantage of that. I think it was where the current BP's is now...how approriate.

    There was good old Happy Pop nearby too! (or was that pop shoppe???)
    Onward and upward

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    Quote Originally Posted by mylilypad
    - I remember "Shakeys" a little pizza place in the parking lot of Woolco. It had glass windows so that you could watch them make your food (very forward thinking for its day)
    OMG Shakeys and their pizza was legendary!!!!! All you can eat, and I took advantage of that. I think it was where the current BP's is now...how approriate.

    There was good old Happy Pop nearby too! (or was that pop shoppe???)
    I think Happy Pop was first. The family used to go down to the plant to buy a couple of crates of pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    There was good old Happy Pop nearby too! (or was that pop shoppe???)
    Wow, that brings back memories! I remember Pop Shoppe, and my dad picking up a couple of variety-pack crates just before every summer road trip in the RV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey
    When the Princess Theatre on Whyte was a porn theatre (I could be wrong about this but that was the impression I had as a teenager).
    My mom says the same thing, so it was probably either true or a common perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willamena
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey
    When the Princess Theatre on Whyte was a porn theatre (I could be wrong about this but that was the impression I had as a teenager).
    My mom says the same thing, so it was probably either true or a common perception.
    Although, I didn't wander Whyte Ave. much as a kid/teen I recall that it was showing porn when the Old Strathcona Foundation took it over.

    In 1970, Towne Cinema Limited purchased the building and invested $270,000 for a facelift. The company opened the Princess as the Klondike Cinema, a second-run movie house. For a time, it even showed adult movies.
    http://www.rewedmonton.ca/content_view2?CONTENT_ID=942

    Also, a good comment here:

    http://cinematreasures.org/theater/14092/

    Also: http://www.abheritage.ca/abarts/film...incess_thr.htm

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    I remember Towne. They believe they took over one of our threates on the north side, too, and I stopped going after that. I only went because the theatre had showed weekend serials and old movies like Marx Brothers. That ended when they took over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willamena
    I remember Towne. They believe they took over one of our threates on the north side, too, and I stopped going after that. I only went because the theatre had showed weekend serials and old movies like Marx Brothers. That ended when they took over.
    I hope I can find something somewhere. I can only remember the theater at the corner of 124th St. and 118th Ave. If that's what you're talking about, I can remember there was a church (Pentecostal?) leasing the space where the theater eventually went (I used to go to that church when I was about 5 or 6).

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    The only one I could find was the Jasper Cinemas and that was because of a porn complaint over the movie "Dracula Sucks" that went to the Supreme Court, I believe.

    I found a listing for the company in Calgary, so I shouldn't be surprised.

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    I remember when they used to have Saturday night rock concerts at the Princess about 1980. It was a showcase for the better local bands of the day.
    The theater did it for a year or so, then stopped, probably due to all the hassles involved.
    As I remember the concerts were pretty well attended but the crowd was pretty wild, dancing in the aisles etc. etc.
    It was a great time but I think things are a little too uptight for it to happen now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryH
    Quote Originally Posted by Willamena
    I remember Towne. They believe they took over one of our threates on the north side, too, and I stopped going after that. I only went because the theatre had showed weekend serials and old movies like Marx Brothers. That ended when they took over.
    I hope I can find something somewhere. I can only remember the theater at the corner of 124th St. and 118th Ave. If that's what you're talking about, I can remember there was a church (Pentecostal?) leasing the space where the theater eventually went (I used to go to that church when I was about 5 or 6).
    Yes, that's the one.

    On another note, I've been trying for years to remember the theatre that was on the site of the City Centre(?) complex now, on 101st Street across from Rice-Howard Way. It used to be my very favourite. I remember it often had no lights on when we entered, and we'd have to grope for seats in pitch darkness. That was fun.

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    The Rialto was on 101 st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60
    The Rialto was on 101 st.
    10134-101 St. according to http://www.cinematour.com/theatres/ca/AB/2.html

    I need a photo because it's not coming to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willamena
    Quote Originally Posted by TerryH
    Quote Originally Posted by Willamena
    I remember Towne. They believe they took over one of our threates on the north side, too, and I stopped going after that. I only went because the theatre had showed weekend serials and old movies like Marx Brothers. That ended when they took over.
    I hope I can find something somewhere. I can only remember the theater at the corner of 124th St. and 118th Ave. If that's what you're talking about, I can remember there was a church (Pentecostal?) leasing the space where the theater eventually went (I used to go to that church when I was about 5 or 6).
    Yes, that's the one.

    On another note, I've been trying for years to remember the theatre that was on the site of the City Centre(?) complex now, on 101st Street across from Rice-Howard Way. It used to be my very favourite. I remember it often had no lights on when we entered, and we'd have to grope for seats in pitch darkness. That was fun.
    I came across the name "Inglewood Theater" at the same intersection. Was this the theater you were referring to?

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    Since I'm at the CinemaTour website, here's a few more downtown theaters for anyone who remembers:

    Capitol Theatre
    Capitol Square
    Dreamland Theatre
    Empress Theatre
    Gem Theatre
    Odeon Theatre
    Principal Plaza


    There were a few that had no addresses, so I'm not sure where they were located off-hand.

    http://www.cinematour.com/theatres/ca/AB/1.html
    http://www.cinematour.com/theatres/ca/AB/2.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60
    The Rialto was on 101 st.
    Okay, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryH
    Quote Originally Posted by Willamena
    Yes, that's the one.
    I came across the name "Inglewood Theater" at the same intersection. Was this the theater you were referring to?
    No, that's on 124th. Okay, maybe it was.

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    I wasn't remembering too well when I said that Highway 2 went down "Fowler". It's actually Sparrow Drive from 65th Ave. in Leduc north to where it merges with the current highway.

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    I remember taping songs from K-97 when they were the only rock station in town (circa 1982).
    I remember when K-97 was a catch-all pop/rock station and CHED was the Top 40 station, and these were the only choices for young people long before the likes of Power 92 and the Bear went on the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey
    I remember taping songs from K-97 when they were the only rock station in town (circa 1982).
    I remember when K-97 was a catch-all pop/rock station and CHED was the Top 40 station, and these were the only choices for young people long before the likes of Power 92 and the Bear went on the air.
    I was a fan of K-97 from its beginning. Went to the first Rock Cirkus (for CIRK-FM) in 1979 at Commonwealth.

    We used to say that the difference between a K-97 concert and a CHED concert was that the CHED concert had 10,000 little kids there. Out of all the stations in town at the time, K-97 was number 1 and CHED was number negative infinity.

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    I remember when..........

    The Stanley A. Milner Library was simply called Downtown Library. In the basement was a kids room with children's books and a mini petting zoo. Also there was no bums, druggies, or creeps hanging around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66
    I remember when..........

    The Stanley A. Milner Library was simply called Downtown Library. In the basement was a kids room with children's books and a mini petting zoo. Also there was no bums, druggies, or creeps hanging around.
    That is because I remember when they were all at the Edmonton Centre Mall (before being called City Centre East!), downstairs on the wierd boxes that used to be in the middle of downstairs...

    Same story, same type of players just shifted somewhat...

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    There was a little burger place on the north east corner of 101 ave & 50 street the name i can't remember
    There was a major chain grocery store on that same location it later became either a Happy Pop or a Pop Shoppe
    There used to be a burger baron on 104st across from Scona high school
    Also Lils place up stair on the east side across from the school

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    Wow...reading this thread is a blast from the past!

    Here are a few of mine...

    - as kids we used to play in a junkyard/dump what is now buried under the Millwoods Golf Course.
    - watching movies at the theatre just west of the Safeway at Capilano Mall.
    - watching movies at the drive-in threatre around 90th Ave on 50th Street.
    - the only entity east of 50th Street was C-I-L. The rest was just field.
    - the hangers at the Industrial Airport (before they changed the name to the Municipal Airport, before they changed the name to the City Centre Airport). Associated Helicopters was in Hanger Number 10 - where the parkade now stands.
    - watching the construction of the new Capilano Freeway
    - watching ITV (now Global) hit the air. The first thing they aired after several weeks of colour bars was a Shell Oil gasoline commercial - followed by the movie, "It's a Mad, Mad World"
    - buying concert tickets upstairs at Woodwards at Southgate

    I still have my concert program from the Rock Cirkus (1979) @ Commonwealth. I still had the t-shirt up until a few years ago (HA!!! - Like it would ever fit!).

    K-97 used to be CJCA-FM. Suddenly one day they played "It's Only Rock'n'Roll" by the Stones and K-97 was born!

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    I remember YXD (aka the Municipal Airport and later, Edmonton City Centre Airport) and what it was like on the inside before it closed in the mid-1990s. I used to fly to GP out of there a lot, and I remember that the departure lounge post-security didn't have any washrooms. And that there was this neat restaurant/bar with large windows to watch the planes from. (Wish YEG had something like that, too!!)

    There was the Happy Pop and Pop Shoppe line of pops, which I loved when I was a kid.

    I used to go to drive-ins with my foster family in my foster dad's 70s-era blue GMC van once in a while. Can't remember where the drive-ins were located, though - I was just a young kid at the time.

    I remember how CN had those railroads running right through where Oliver Square and the GMCC Downtown Campus, and there was a flyover (105 St) there as well.

    As a part of an urban planning course at NAIT, I was studying the land now occupied by Railtown, Save-On and the strip mall, etc. was a completely empty eyesore, as well as that train bridge which used to go over Jasper Avenue. At one point during the early '90s, a strip mall was proposed but fell through and had me wondering if ANYTHING would ever go up there before the end of the century.

    There was the Rathole, the tunnel along 109 St which ran underneath the CN Lands. That tunnel was not removed until 2000, and quite a few large trucks end up getting stuck there. It also flooded rather easily during heavy rainstorms. Because the Rathole was built around WWI, or shortly thereafter, it obviously wasn't designed to handle late 20th Century traffic.

    My foster mother used to work as a secretary in the old City Hall, which was built in 1957, and I was inside it several times.

    I remember when there was a Woolworth and a restaurant across it often occupied to the hilt by seniors in the basement level of Edmonton Centre where the underground car parkade now sits. I also remember when there was an Eaton's instead of the Bay in Eaton Centre (City Centre Mall West) and that downtown Edmonton actually had two Bay stores.

    I remember how the Cecil Hotel, now the future site of Sobey's, was surrounded by creeps, bums, drunks and the like and how cops frequently got called there. And the Warehouse district was also worse off than it is today.

    I remember how CFRN TV had that cartoon of a stereotypical Native Canadian boy with feathers as a "mascot" (Mind you, this was before the Age of Political Correctness), and its logo. And there was ITV before it became Global TV.

    The Journal had the Bub Slug comic series in its Saturday comics, with that burly construction guy with the fat nose and his family in Edmonton.

    I remember when Heritage Mall was alive and well before it died. It had an interesting mall interior - lots of those diagonal wood plank typical of the '70s.

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    I remember when the 2 Cable companies,community channels actually supported community events i.e Prairie Junior Football games, AJHL Hockey games, U OF A Sports coverage, SuperLeague Curling etc. Now that Shaw has a monopoly those days are gone. Here's hoping that Telus steps forward with a community channel on it's system and shows some community involvement.
    I'm having people over later to stare at their phones,if you want to drop by

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeK
    Because the Rathole was built around WWI, or shortly thereafter, it obviously wasn't designed to handle late 20th Century traffic.
    Actually, the original plans consisted of building an adjacent tunnel. One tunnel for NB and one for SB. If you recall, there was a small chicane at each end of the tunnel. That would have disappeared when the other tunnel was built. Alas, that never occurred.

    Bub Slug....

    Gary Delainey writes and Gerry Rasmussen draws, and together this cartooning duo from Alberta, Canada creates Betty, a smart, savvy comic character who is unapologetically ordinary, happy and female. Betty is true modern woman - a wife, mother and working woman. Delainey and Rasmussen first met as senior high school students in a local art competition, and their paths crossed again the following fall, when they each enrolled in the Fine Arts program at the University of Alberta. Though they studied painting, they quickly found doing comics for the campus paper more to their taste. They collaborated on their first comic strip, "Bub Slug," in 1976. "That was our real education," says Rasmussen, "doing work, seeing it in print and getting feedback right away." Betty was born during this time, making her first appearance holding a dead parrot. Betty reappeared in print in 1985, when the collaborators approached the Edmonton Journal with a full-page weekly comic version of "Bub Slug." The feature ran for four and a half years in the Journal, developing a huge following. Delainey and Rasmussen began creating Betty in 1991. Rasmussen lives with his wife, their son and their dog. Delainey lives with his wife, their daughter and their cat. When they're not collaborating on Betty, Delainey and Rasmussen enjoy competing on the racquetball court, running, following professional sports, and spending time with their families.

    Source -> United Feaures Syndicate

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    I remember the menagerie at the Milner Library.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryH
    The only one I could find was the Jasper Cinemas and that was because of a porn complaint over the movie "Dracula Sucks" that went to the Supreme Court, I believe.
    lol.. I remember being at that movie at Jasper Cinema the night
    before they shut it down... I was wondering why a few guys in
    suits were watching the thing...

    I remember the Strand Theatre, it was always my favorite.
    I remember seeing Earthquake in Sensurround at that theatre on the west side of 101 St, just north of Jasper Ave.
    I remember shopping at Johnstone Walker and the old Woodward's stores.
    My ex-wife used to work downstairs at Kresge's downtown, across 101a Ave from the Met store.
    I remember when 154 St north of Stony Plain Rd finally got its gravel surface tarred, and my friends and I could ride our bikes on it.
    I remember playing Teen darts at the Moose Lodge on 106 St just north of Jasper Ave.
    I remember when Southgate Mall opened, as a friend and I rode our bikes from Dovercourt down to Southgate for the grand opening.

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    The following are media-related things that I remember about Edmonton...

    - Two jingles: "You and ITV" and "It's True, it's 2"
    - Rob Christie and Audie Lynds as the morning crew on Power 92
    - CBC Alberta News with Bob Chelmick from Edmonton, and Brenda Finley from Calgary
    - MG 1200
    - The big K97 mural downtown
    - The Oldies 1260 billboards on Edmonton Transit
    - The day CKUA and CJCA relaunched
    - Easy 100.3 suddenly became The Bear
    - The big "For Great TV say I(TV)" billboard on SB Calgary Trail near the ITV studios
    - "This is Alberta's Major News Station... AM-8-80-C-H-Q-T"

    Other things about Edmonton...
    - IPL, Metropolitan, and AGT signs on Edmonton's skyscrapers
    - The green trolley bus
    - The train bridge on Jasper at 109
    - The grain elevator on Calgary Trail and Ellerslie Road
    - Calgary Trail North and Calgary Trail South
    - The Convention Inn


    ... that's all i can think of that hasn't been mentioned...

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    oh oh oh... how about the Wes Montgomery jingle on Ched??

    Good morning, good morning,
    it's a Wes Montgomery morning,
    here to wake you with a smile and get you up on time.

    and I forget the second verse

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    I remember when Castle Downs Road was the edge of town.
    I remember when it seemed like it would take a long time to drive from the outskirts of Edmonton into St. Albert.
    I remember riding my bicycle through Griesbach and being afraid that the army would arrest me for trespassing
    I told some much younger siblings the other day that I remembered when West Edmonton Mall opened; they think I’m really old now.
    I remember when 630 CHED was the “cool kids” top 40 radio station with Rob Christie and Audie Lynds, before Power 92.

    I used to love the petting zoo in the downtown library basement!

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    No one has so far mentioned!!!

    Buffalo Bill's restaurant on Kingsway, and how badly you wanted to eat in the 'Jail'.

    Every Friday after school, picking up a CHED Chart at your local record (record? yes, record store)!

    The "Edmontonion", pre-dating "Billy's Guide" by a number of years!

    And a few more mentioned in part previously..

    The Edmonton Journal was an afternoon paper; even on Saturday, and there really was a waiting list to become a 'ragboy'!

    The Sun appearing in 1978 ("Its Better in the Morning....") ending a long newspaper monopoly.

    Wes Montgomery, Bob McCord on at 3 PM, and Russ Campbell in the evening with the "Golden Wheel" on CHED; and dialing '424-2111' as fast as your fingers could to 'spin' the 'Golden Wheel'.

    The old Jasper Theater before it bacame part of the Towne Cinema group where you could see a double feature for 25 cents every Saturday.

    More later.

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    And the DJ's from Ched out there handing out free soft drinks for all the Miles for Millions walkers.
    Or Black Sheep pants being THE thing to wear.
    Riding my new mustang bike on the trails above Groat Rd, on the west side.
    Nearly every school had 'portables', cuz they were all overflowing with students.
    Clotheslines just outside the back door to hang-dry your clothes on.
    NADP, Palm, and Silverwood Dairies.
    The old Park Plaza with Safeway, Woolworths, and just down the road a Sears, and a Dominion store.
    Ponderosa Restaurants with their rib-eye steaks.

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    I remember eating at the Ponderosa on St. Albert Trail.

    The original Hawkeye's in the underground pedway somewhere near Scotia Place - notice that the Hawkeye's on 102 St is still called Hawkeye's II.

    Chef's Table in the west end, which is now a strip club called Pete's.

    Mongolian Food Experience on Rice Howard Way, where that Co Co Di place is now.

    The food court in Manulife Place II, which had an Edo and an A&W.

    Driving by the KFC-operated "Burger King" on 124 St. It wasn't until they closed that the real Burger King moved in.

    The original downtown Wee Book Inn with the comic shop downstairs, on Jasper and 105 (where the Sobey's is being built).

    Original Greenwoods book store on Whyte Ave.

    Original King & I on Whyte Ave, where the 7-11 is now.

    Old Strathcona had free parking, across Gateway Blvd from the farmer's market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenorarat
    No one has so far mentioned!!!

    Buffalo Bill's restaurant on Kingsway, and how badly you wanted to eat in the 'Jail'.

    Every Friday after school, picking up a CHED Chart at your local record (record? yes, record store)!

    The "Edmontonion", pre-dating "Billy's Guide" by a number of years!

    And a few more mentioned in part previously..

    The Edmonton Journal was an afternoon paper; even on Saturday, and there really was a waiting list to become a 'ragboy'!

    The Sun appearing in 1978 ("Its Better in the Morning....") ending a long newspaper monopoly.

    Wes Montgomery, Bob McCord on at 3 PM, and Russ Campbell in the evening with the "Golden Wheel" on CHED; and dialing '424-2111' as fast as your fingers could to 'spin' the 'Golden Wheel'.

    The old Jasper Theater before it bacame part of the Towne Cinema group where you could see a double feature for 25 cents every Saturday.

    More later.
    Yes, I too have been surprised no one has mentioned Buffalo Bills on Kingsway (a new Servus branch just opened up in that location), I lived in Edmonton for a year in 1975 and I remember going to Buffalo Bills for steak and how far, far away it seemed from my nice little Lendrum house!

    I also remember from that time biking down from Lancaster Park to Rainbow Valley—before it was changed. It was straight down (steep as all get out) and then it curved to continue going down again. I would have my ten-speed shaking but man was it a thrill (the ride back up—not so much fun). I took several bad spills going down too fast but I always went back again after I had my stitches removed! Every time I drive the Whitemud going over the bridge westbound I think of the fun and thrill that ride used to be on my bike.

    That year the Eskimos won the Grey Cup (again!) and I remember getting the day (afternoon?) off school to go downtown for the parade. ETS was free during the parade, I remember going to the downtown library and getting lost in all the books (okay I was a bookworm!) and then I remember spending the 10 cents my parents had insisted I take just to be safe. My girlfriend and I hoofed it up to 109th and Jasper where my Mom worked so she could pay our bus fare. My mother worked for Syncrude in Edmonton and I remember my Dad an Engineer with an international company saying that this “oilsands extraction thing would never amount to anything.” That good old Alberta boy has since changed his tune!

    I remember going to the CFRN studio, as an alternate for the Harry Ainley team to “Reach for the Top” no small honour as I was only in Junior High (grade seven) and had just turned 11. I never went on the show but I remember thinking I was cool hanging out with high school kids since I was the youngest in my junior high school. This team (and me!) later went to Camp He-Ho-Ha for a weekend as part of the Alberta Debating Society it was the first time I ever ate Sloppy Joes or had experienced sulphur water—the Sloppy Joes I liked—the water not so much.

    Edmonton and area was so different then and we keep getting better and better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey
    I remember eating at the Ponderosa on St. Albert Trail.

    The original Hawkeye's in the underground pedway somewhere near Scotia Place - notice that the Hawkeye's on 102 St is still called Hawkeye's II.

    Chef's Table in the west end, which is now a strip club called Pete's.

    Mongolian Food Experience on Rice Howard Way, where that Co Co Di place is now.

    The food court in Manulife Place II, which had an Edo and an A&W.

    Driving by the KFC-operated "Burger King" on 124 St. It wasn't until they closed that the real Burger King moved in.

    The original downtown Wee Book Inn with the comic shop downstairs, on Jasper and 105 (where the Sobey's is being built).

    Original Greenwoods book store on Whyte Ave.

    Original King & I on Whyte Ave, where the 7-11 is now.

    Old Strathcona had free parking, across Gateway Blvd from the farmer's market.
    I loved Ponderosas salad bar. Does anyone remember the ice-cream shop that used to be near the traffic circle on 118th and St. Albert Trail—it was called Swensens and they made the best ice cream sundaes.

    I remember Hawkeyes in Scotia Place too.

    Chef’s Table was the scene of my “first real date” with my hubby-to-be. He hired a Limo for the night as he didn’t drive and so I could drink. Trouble was I had a bad case of Laryngitis and couldn’t speak at all but I was too stubborn to consider cancelling the date (maybe that’s why he liked me!) silence can be golden sometimes. (BTW, the strip club called Sneaky Pete’s is just east of where Chef’s Table used to be there is still a restaurant in there although it has been many things including Chilli Hot Hot and is now called New Asia.)

    I loved the food court in Manulife II, there was a Lebanese place that had fantastic Lebanese pizza and great baklava.

    I remember the abomination of the MacDonald Hotel Annex, remember sadness upon returning to Edmonton to see that old beauty queen boarded up. I stayed there that long weekend in May when it finally reopened in 1991 and it was a great experience I bought my first (and likely only) brand new car that weekend too.

    I remember living in Bearspaw (19 Avenue and 100th Street area) in 1984 when I moved back to Edmonton and how on the outskirts it seemed. Shopping at Heritage Mall when it was the newest mall in town and it had Eatons, Sears and Wollco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    And the DJ's from Ched out there handing out free soft drinks for all the Miles for Millions walkers.

    **Too bad it was 'Pepsi', not 'The Real Thing!'

    Or Black Sheep pants being THE thing to wear.

    **Not to mention the 'Jean Joint' and 'Peter Wolf'

    Riding my new mustang bike on the trails above Groat Rd, on the west side.

    **Ya mean da MONKEY TRAIL???? Rode my bike there LOTS of times during the summer there! There were 3 spots between Stony Plain and the 'Green Bridge' (102 Ave) you rode REAL FAST! Or down the embankment ya went!


    Nearly every school had 'portables', cuz they were all overflowing with students.
    Clotheslines just outside the back door to hang-dry your clothes on.
    NADP, Palm, and Silverwood Dairies.

    **The 'Cream-Top' milk bottle was still in place at Silverwoods on 109th Street, just south of G.B. Motors on the northbound exit ramp to 104th.

    The old Park Plaza with Safeway, Woolworths, and just down the road a Sears, and a Dominion store.

    **Pimpson Queers was an ANCHOR in Park Plaza; not 'down the road'! The Kindergarten Mall replaced Park Plaza when NAIT annexed the property.

    Ponderosa Restaurants with their rib-eye steaks.

    **Square Meal....Square Deal...PONDEROSA!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by glenorarat
    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    And the DJ's from Ched out there handing out free soft drinks for all the Miles for Millions walkers.

    **Too bad it was 'Pepsi', not 'The Real Thing!'

    Or Black Sheep pants being THE thing to wear.

    **Not to mention the 'Jean Joint' and 'Peter Wolf'

    Riding my new mustang bike on the trails above Groat Rd, on the west side.

    **Ya mean da MONKEY TRAIL???? Rode my bike there LOTS of times during the summer there! There were 3 spots between Stony Plain and the 'Green Bridge' (102 Ave) you rode REAL FAST! Or down the embankment ya went!


    Nearly every school had 'portables', cuz they were all overflowing with students.
    Clotheslines just outside the back door to hang-dry your clothes on.
    NADP, Palm, and Silverwood Dairies.

    **The 'Cream-Top' milk bottle was still in place at Silverwoods on 109th Street, just south of G.B. Motors on the northbound exit ramp to 104th.

    The old Park Plaza with Safeway, Woolworths, and just down the road a Sears, and a Dominion store.

    **Pimpson Queers was an ANCHOR in Park Plaza; not 'down the road'! The Kindergarten Mall replaced Park Plaza when NAIT annexed the property.

    Ponderosa Restaurants with their rib-eye steaks.

    **Square Meal....Square Deal...PONDEROSA!!




    Welcome to C2E glenorarat!

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    I don't remember much.

    Maybe cuz I'm still in my early 20's. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xelebes
    I don't remember much.

    Maybe cuz I'm still in my early 20's. :/
    ^ That will do it!

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    I forgot about Peter Wolf...
    and yeah, Ponderosa on St Albert Trail.. used to eat there
    every Tuesday night way back in my young bachelor days.
    Of course, I worked 6 days a week from 4 pm til 4 am back
    then. Tuesday was my day off. Remember when the Lydo
    had a fleet of Volkswagen Beetles? I used to drive the
    one they called the Baja
    And yeah, the Monkey Trail... that was fun! Then into the
    museum to look around a bit and stopping at their cafe
    to have jello sprinkled with sugar lol.
    Speaking of the Mac... the Inglenook was their fancy
    dining room way back in the day. I was a busboy there
    in my youth. Had to wear the brown wool uniform with vest,
    tie, jacket, shirt, black shoes, the whole nine yards.
    But I did get 30% of the waiters tips, and there were 3
    waiters, so I made out pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS
    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66
    p.s. Speaking of CFRN I remember the little Indian boy they used as their mascot. Every Klondike Days the kids would get a CFRN paper Indian headdress.
    Oh crap, I forgot about that one!!!!! Almost as funny as Popcorn Playhouse!!
    I was on Popcorn Playhouse to celebrate my 6th birthday...
    except instead of the gold mine, I think we shot a tiger or
    something lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    I forgot about Peter Wolf...
    and yeah, Ponderosa on St Albert Trail.. used to eat there
    every Tuesday night way back in my young bachelor days.
    Of course, I worked 6 days a week from 4 pm til 4 am back
    then. Tuesday was my day off. Remember when the Lydo
    had a fleet of Volkswagen Beetles? I used to drive the
    one they called the Baja
    And yeah, the Monkey Trail... that was fun! Then into the
    museum to look around a bit and stopping at their cafe
    to have jello sprinkled with sugar lol.
    Speaking of the Mac... the Inglenook was their fancy
    dining room way back in the day. I was a busboy there
    in my youth. Had to wear the brown wool uniform with vest,
    tie, jacket, shirt, black shoes, the whole nine yards.
    But I did get 30% of the waiters tips, and there were 3
    waiters, so I made out pretty good
    424-5050--if you're hungry call the Lydo...

    ^ My hubby and his room mate used to work the parking lot at the Mac when they were in Uni (back in the day) as well!

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    Usually went out for Chinese Food, hardly ever ordered it. Favorites of the time were:

    New World on 97th Street. (yes, back when it was a 'bad' area)

    Shangri-La on Stony Plain Road and 151st Street in that little shopping center with Hub Home Furniture on the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djgirl
    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    I forgot about Peter Wolf...
    and yeah, Ponderosa on St Albert Trail.. used to eat there
    every Tuesday night way back in my young bachelor days.
    Of course, I worked 6 days a week from 4 pm til 4 am back
    then. Tuesday was my day off. Remember when the Lydo
    had a fleet of Volkswagen Beetles? I used to drive the
    one they called the Baja
    And yeah, the Monkey Trail... that was fun! Then into the
    museum to look around a bit and stopping at their cafe
    to have jello sprinkled with sugar lol.
    Speaking of the Mac... the Inglenook was their fancy
    dining room way back in the day. I was a busboy there
    in my youth. Had to wear the brown wool uniform with vest,
    tie, jacket, shirt, black shoes, the whole nine yards.
    But I did get 30% of the waiters tips, and there were 3
    waiters, so I made out pretty good
    424-5050--if you're hungry call the Lydo...

    ^ My hubby and his room mate used to work the parking lot at the Mac when they were in Uni (back in the day) as well!


    Never ordered from the Lydo, so never got to see what they drove, but they did have a second outfit called "Hot'n'Fast" for a time.

    After the run on the Monkey Trail, always ended up at the Provincial Museum for a look-see, and a plate of fries.

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    I was on Popcorn Playhouse to celebrate my 6th birthday...
    except instead of the gold mine, I think we shot a tiger or
    something lol[/quote]

    As was my sister for her 6th birthday. She got to dig in the goldmine; though I did get to talk to Muskeg the Moose and get a prize from his bag below. Did you get to squeeze a bag of Popcorn Twists until is exploded all over the place?

    Never ate at Ponderosa, but I do remember when Tiki-Tiki opened on Jasper Ave. I did see the payphone on the huge shell stand from there up for sale in Red Deer last year. The guy wanted $1200 for it

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    Sorry to shatter your memories DJGirl but it was "426-5050 if you're hungry call the Lydo"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60
    Sorry to shatter your memories DJGirl but it was "426-5050 if you're hungry call the Lydo"
    I believe BOTH numbers were correct. It was around 1976, EdTel switched to a first generation digital network, and one of the changes necessitated changing the first three digits to reflect the change. The first to go digital was the 452 exchange in 1971, which replaced 488 and 482 in some areas. Our phone number was changed to a 452- number, and it took forever to connect to a non-452 number for the first several years as it had to mechanically convert from a digital to an analog 'click-click-click' signal to make the connection. It was probably one the few times one wishes they were NOT 'the first' to have something new.

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    So is Lydo still around? That jingle has been strangely absent for the past couple of years.

    Speaking of jingles, the Pizza 73 folks should update theirs. They've been using the same one based on that horrible Glenn Frey tune since the mid-80s.

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    I think the Lydo has disappeared... their old location
    at 92 st/112 ave is vacant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    I think the Lydo has disappeared... their old location
    at 92 st/112 ave is vacant.
    On Norwood BLVD? I don't recall it being vacant last summer when I would walk by it on my way to/from the car from Esk's games.

    Not surprised though. I wouldn't want to run a business on that stretch of street. Considering there is nothing but a bottle depot, police station and pawn store for two blocks I'm not the only one.

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    I remember when Edmontonians liked peter pocklington.
    I remember when hockey was about living a dream, not about the paycheck.
    I remember shopping at Woodwards at Northgate mall for christmas.
    I remember when kids could bike/play wherever they wanted in the city without having thier parents worry about kidnapping/pedophiles.
    I remember when Peter's drive in was the highlight of driving through calgary on the way to banff. (maybe it still is for some)
    I remember when you could go camping and not have to pay for firewood.
    I remember hiding in the back of my friends mustang to sneak into the drive in by the leon's on 137 ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakes on a blog
    I remember hiding in the back of my friends mustang to sneak into the drive in by the leon's on 137 ave.

    ...but then you went to "Closed for the Winter?"
    Onward and upward

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindseyT
    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    I think the Lydo has disappeared... their old location
    at 92 st/112 ave is vacant.
    On Norwood BLVD? I don't recall it being vacant last summer when I would walk by it on my way to/from the car from Esk's games.

    Not surprised though. I wouldn't want to run a business on that stretch of street. Considering there is nothing but a bottle depot, police station and pawn store for two blocks I'm not the only one.
    Yeah, I checked today, it's closed... and the sign out front
    says "commercial restaurant space for rent" or something
    like that.

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    That stretch of 112 Ave does have potential though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryH
    Since I'm at the CinemaTour website, here's a few more downtown theaters for anyone who remembers:

    Capitol Theatre
    Capitol Square
    Dreamland Theatre
    Empress Theatre
    Gem Theatre
    Odeon Theatre
    Principal Plaza


    There were a few that had no addresses, so I'm not sure where they were located off-hand.

    http://www.cinematour.com/theatres/ca/AB/1.html
    http://www.cinematour.com/theatres/ca/AB/2.html
    Don't forget the Varscona
    Jasper cinemas
    westmall 5, westmall 6
    Paramount

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    This is really recent, but with all the progress thats been made i found it to be a funny read

    March 11, 2002 - During the 1970s, Edmonton's municipal planners had a vision for public transit: amidst an economic boom and unprecedented growth, they predicted that by the early 1980s the city's brand-new LRT line would extend as far south as Southgate Mall.

    Twenty years later the line has barely crossed the North Saskatchewan River. Plans to continue further south are the subject of fierce debate. The move is regarded in some corners as utterly wasteful and in others as entirely necessary. Later this month, the issue comes before Edmonton city council, which could choose to spike the ambitious $600-million extension.

    The scheme is a political minefield. The matter was supposed to go before council in December but was deferred after Mayor Bill Smith publicly suggested that going ahead with the first leg of the project could be a waste of taxpayers' money. The first stage of the plan would extend the LRT line to a new ground-level station near the University of Alberta Hospital, then onto the Neil Crawford Centre--from the line's current end beneath the U of A campus--at a cost of $109 million. The mayor reasoned that, with no guarantee of sustained funding from the federal or provincial governments to complete the entire south-side extension all the way to Heritage Mall, spending $109 million to simply bring the tracks out of the ground would be irresponsible.

    A showdown is brewing: before the mayor questioned the idea of continuing with the LRT extension, a handful of councillors had argued the project should be accelerated. The question Smith seems to be raising is whether the needs of passengers who would ride the south line each day--and those trips could include existing trips from bus lines cannibalized by the extension--outweigh other transportation needs. Smith points to the need for an overpass at 156 Street north of the Yellowhead Trail, and roughly $500 million required to complete the Yellowhead, among other projects such as the extension of Anthony Henday Drive.

    Dr. Mike Percy, dean of the U of A School of Business and president of the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce, agrees the problem is one of setting priorities or finding new sources of revenue.

    But a recent suggestion that Edmonton impose a tax on its neighbouring municipalities to help pay for infrastructure costs should be rejected outright, said Percy.

    "Taxing suburban commuters is probably one of the most destructive things you could do," he said. "It would lead firms to locate outside the city boundaries."

    One idea that wouldn't generate as much political fallout is to break with recent fiscal policies and borrow money to pay for the projects. Percy has dubbed the idea of borrowing funds for essential, large capital projects "smart debt."

    Both the city and province have paid down tremendous debts, but current policies support cyclical, boom-and-bust spending. It may be time the city shed its pay-as-you-go policies. "Imagine if we tried paying for a house all at once. Not many of us could do it," said Percy.

    "Whenever we've had windfalls, we've acted in the best interests of our infrastructure, and when the economy slows down, we cut back--so we exacerbate the extent of the downturn," he said. "One hopes we see the province and city moving out of this boom-and-bust, feast-or-famine way of financing infrastructure."

    There are other solutions to funding transportation infrastructure, including turning to the private sector. The Montreal-based firm ANC Lavalin would love nothing more than to take on the South Edmonton LRT expansion. ANC President Pierre Anctil says his company would gladly shoulder costs of constructing the line, provided the right subsidies were in place.

    Anctil's firm specializes in such joint public-private ventures. It bought the new $4-billion, 109-km Highway 407 near Toronto from the Ontario government in 1999, helping the province reduce its debt. Motorists who want to avoid the infamously congested 401 can pay an 11-cent-per-kilometre toll and drive on the new highway. ANC will cover operating and maintenance costs of the highway and turn a profit. Under an agreement with the Ontario government, the stretch of road will revert to provincial ownership at the end of a 99-year agreement. The company is involved in a similar project, building freeway overpasses in Costa Rica.

    Anctil says there is always a way that for-profit firms can succeed in non-profit operations, like public transit. It's simply a case, he explained, of governments paying some form of subsidy, which it would typically apply to the service, to the company.

    It may be the only way to go.

    Dr. Robin Lindsay, a U of A professor of economics and McCalla Professorship recipient, is researching private-sector approaches to problems of growing traffic congestion and declining transit ridership. He says that, with a few exceptions, public transit is in trouble across North America.

    "Rising costs and fares, and falling ridership, have created a death spiral for transit in North America," he said. Public transit faces many competitors, chiefly the automobile. The ability that people have with cars to travel from point to point on their own schedule, at greater speed and comfort, combine to make car travel more attractive.

    Getting people out of their cars and onto buses is a catch-22 situation, he adds: "To attract riders, there must be an extensive service, but to warrant good service there must be a large demand."

    The city estimates that, once the extension is complete, the south LRT will accommodate about as many riders as the northern line does, averaging 35,000 passengers per day.

    But who would pay for the project? Who should? Applying user-pay theory to public transit is complicated: change one element, like fares, and it affects another, like ridership. Make public transportation more expensive and you increase revenues at the risk of losing riders and making a public system less accessible to low-income earners; reduce fares and you risk no corresponding increase in ridership and a certain loss of income.

    The question of having motorists subsidize public transit wouldn't work, Lindsay said. Motorists generally agree they ought to pay for their own costs, but nothing more. Freeing up funds for the LRT by charging tolls along the Yellowhead to pay for upgrades to that road might work, but motorists could divert from tolled roads to untolled congestion-prone streets, including residential neighbourhoods, he said.

    Whatever the ultimate plan for the city's LRT, Percy says one thing is certain: "The city had better make sure it's the appropriate use of public money and make sure the benefits, broadly defined, outweigh the social costs of that capital. The alternative to putting that $100 million into the LRT, then the extra $500 million, is improving access to the downtown core, or completing Anthony Henday Drive or a whole range of other projects.

    "What they need is a pretty darned good set of data," says Percy.

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    Being older than dirt, I remember Hattie's Harlem Chicken Inn-best southern fried chicken and corn fritters in Edmonton; the huge New World Cafe on 97th Street where everyone went after the bars closed on Saturday night; other restaurants like the Beachcomber, Purple Lantern, Seven Seas, Mai Lai, Waffle Shop; lounges such as the Toby Jug, Rutherford's, Old Bailey, Switch Board and THREE (not just one) "beer parlours", all on Jasper Avenue or easy walking distance, and all before the "monoculture" franchises struck.

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    Ah, the Seven Seas and the Beachcomber.... been years.
    You forgot the old Coffee Cup cafe across from the
    Alberta Hotel on 97 St
    Central School used to be where McEwan Jasper Place now
    sits. That's the first school I went to in Edmonton, back in
    grade three. It had the separate entrances for boys and
    girls, and they used them as marked. And it had the boot room
    in the basement. If you were caught talking in the boot room
    you had to run up and down the big wooden staircase 25 times,
    for a first offence. I was caught once, and only once. A second
    offence was 50 times. 25 was plenty, believe you me.
    I went to North Edmonton School in grades 4 and 5, that's now
    closed. I went to Sherbrooke School for junior high, that's now
    closed too. Grade 6 at Dovercourt, which is still open, I think.
    I remember sitting on the old wooden balconies at the
    Industrial Airport, watching the planes come and go.

    If you want to relive some memories, the Pop Culture Fair
    is being held next Sunday, April 29, at the old hangar on
    Kingsway, from 10:30 til 4:00. $5 admission. Door prizes too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    Ah, the Seven Seas and the Beachcomber.... been years.
    You forgot the old Coffee Cup cafe across from the
    Alberta Hotel on 97 St
    Central School used to be where McEwan Jasper Place now
    sits. That's the first school I went to in Edmonton, back in
    grade three. It had the separate entrances for boys and
    girls, and they used them as marked. And it had the boot room
    in the basement. If you were caught talking in the boot room
    you had to run up and down the big wooden staircase 25 times,
    for a first offence. I was caught once, and only once. A second
    offence was 50 times. 25 was plenty, believe you me.
    I went to North Edmonton School in grades 4 and 5, that's now
    closed. I went to Sherbrooke School for junior high, that's now
    closed too. Grade 6 at Dovercourt, which is still open, I think.
    I remember sitting on the old wooden balconies at the
    Industrial Airport, watching the planes come and go.

    If you want to relive some memories, the Pop Culture Fair
    is being held next Sunday, April 29, at the old hangar on
    Kingsway, from 10:30 til 4:00. $5 admission. Door prizes
    too.
    ^ Dovercourt school is still open and has a wonderful Mandarin Immersion program.

    Thanks for the info on the Pop Culture Fair--I will be checking it out for sure next Sunday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Guy66


    - The "robot lady" speaking gibberish on a downtown street corner with the old preacher guy standing near her.
    "May I offer you a testimony of what JEE SUS did?"

    I remember when Emonton had trolly cars on rails.

    I remember when steam locomotives pulled trains.

    I remember when trains would actually go to he CN Tower

    I remember when Eaton's, Woodwards and The Bay all had downtown department stores.

    I remember when Eaton's had catalogues.

    I remember Acme Novelty

    I rmember when the Edmonton Flying Club trained pilots in Fleet Canucks.

    I remember the air shows at Namao

    I remember the Spaghetti Tree

    I remember Sid Lancaster, Art Kennard, Bob McCord and many other local broadcasters.

    I rmember Pete Jamieson, the town crier.

    I remember CKO

    I remember the Air Harbour restaurant at the municipal airport

    I remember Edmonton International Speedway and the Can Am races that were held there.

    Henry Singer radio jingle:

    "Henry Singer has a suit
    That'll fit that'll fit that'll fit
    Just you".

    Gaby Haas and the Barn Dance Gang

    All sorts of good teen bands like Wes Dakus and the Rebels, The Rock-A-Tunes, The A&W Lords, Al Ropchan and the Peppermints, The Strollers . . .

    Live entrtainment in taverns, lounges and cabarets, plus The Embers.

    The Edmonton All Girls Drum and Bugle Band.

    Bob Goulet as a CKUA announcer.

    Bill Coull

    I remember Mill Woods being evacuated because of a major gas leak.

    I remember the time a gunman was in he Legislature. That brought on the major security measures that they have in the building now.



    I remember a whole lot more, but that should do for now.

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    Media memories:

    Bruce Bowie as CHED's morning man in the 70's.

    Chuck Chandler doing some 70's disco show on CHED.

    Rob Christie and Janet From Another Planet on CHED in the 80's.

    Jungle Jay's lengthy tenure on CHED and then on Power 92.

    Bruce Kenyon, Robin Allen and Terry Evans on K-97. Their station manager in the early 80s had a couple of shows and was a human music encyclopedia.

    Scruff Conners, the BEAR's first morning DJ (now back in T.O.).

    Cub Carson on the BEAR (now with the same station in Ottawa).

    Doug Main as the 6 PM anchor on ITV (before going into politics).

    The late, lamented Bill Matheson of course.

    Lorraine Mansbridge as a news anchor on ITV.

    Mike Sobel doing an after-school music video show on ITV in the 80s.

    Eric Neville pulling double-duty on CFRN as weather-man and "Popcorn Playhouse" host.

    Daphne Little (later Kuehn) on CFRN, and then the revolving door of female anchors between her and Carrie Doll.

    Colin MacLean on CBC Edmonton as news anchor and host of "Reach For The Top".

    Other media types such as Doug Downs, Jerry Bellika and Shawna Randolph who decided to move into PR (why is that?)

    It's coming up on 10 years since A-Channel hit the air with Mark Scholtz and Steve Antle on the morning show and Michelle Boden as news anchor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djgirl
    ^ Dovercourt school is still open and has a wonderful Mandarin Immersion program.

    Thanks for the info on the Pop Culture Fair--I will be checking it out for sure next Sunday!
    I goofed on the hours.. it's 10:00 til 4:30, not 10:30 til 4:00

    http://www.popculturefair.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    Quote Originally Posted by djgirl
    ^ Dovercourt school is still open and has a wonderful Mandarin Immersion program.

    Thanks for the info on the Pop Culture Fair--I will be checking it out for sure next Sunday!
    I goofed on the hours.. it's 10:00 til 4:30, not 10:30 til 4:00

    http://www.popculturefair.com/
    ^Thanks for the clarification!

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    Quote Originally Posted by microbus
    I goofed on the hours.. it's 10:00 til 4:30, not 10:30 til 4:00

    http://www.popculturefair.com/
    So why can't you post about this Pop Culture Fair in a separate thread for better exposure and promotion? Looks cool!

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    I thought that too... um... *goes to look for a thread*

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    -Bullwinkles
    -The original Chuck-E-Chesse on 34 Ave between 91st and 99st
    -Discovery Zone on 34 Ave between Gateway and CT, now a Club Fit
    -Going to the drive-in theater on 50 st, north of Whitemud
    -When there used to be no overpass at 50 st and Whitemud
    -The fountain in either Southgate or Heritage, cant remember which, that used to shoot up to the ceiling
    -Playgrounds made of wood and steel
    -When there used to be no Grey Nuns Hospital, and there was open field from 50 st to 66 st, and from 34 ave to 23 ave
    -Playing mini-golf in Eatons Center
    -The pirate ship in Capilano McD's
    And a particularly interesting one from my Grandpa who lives in Goldbar, and said that, way back when, AT Plastics used to go through some sort of operational procedure once a year, and it would subsuquently blow out most of the windows from any building within sight, sort of like some kind of sonic boom.

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    -Bullwinkles
    -The original Chuck-E-Chesse on 34 Ave between 91st and 99st
    -Discovery Zone on 34 Ave between Gateway and CT, now a Club Fit
    -Going to the drive-in theater on 50 st, north of Whitemud
    -When there used to be no overpass at 50 st and Whitemud
    -The fountain in either Southgate or Heritage, cant remember which, that used to shoot up to the ceiling
    -Playgrounds made of wood and steel
    -When there used to be no Grey Nuns Hospital, and there was open field from 50 st to 66 st, and from 34 ave to 23 ave
    -Playing mini-golf in Eatons Center
    -The pirate ship in Capilano McD's
    And a particularly interesting one from my Grandpa who lives in Goldbar, and said that, way back when, AT Plastics used to go through some sort of operational procedure once a year, and it would subsuquently blow out most of the windows from any building within sight, sort of like some kind of sonic boom.
    ^ The fountain was in the centre of Heritage mall by the escalators and the Information kiosk.

    I played mini-golf in Eatons Centre (and I remember when there were Eatons!).

    I remember the carpeted sitting/climbing blocks that used to be in what was then Edmonton Centre. They were on the bottom floor and security was always having to “move” people (potential pervs) from them.

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    - 20 years ago, being the only whites in a "Little India" restaurant and getting stared at by staff and customers.

    - glory-day Oilers having their own stores, such as Messier's Number 11 boutique and Glenn Anderson's Cell City.

    - Semenko vs Ali

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    I remember...

    - Warren Moon's Cookies by the ice rink in WEM.

    - Glory Days bar in the old Capilano Motel which is now King's College.

    - When I was in elementary school we had fire drills. Kids today now have lock-down drills.

    - "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" was voted Edmonton's favorite song in a survey by the Journal. How embarrassing!! Or is it how sooo true!!!

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    Default I remember when....

    Busses had alpha-numeric routes. The lettered prefixes were 'B' for Beverly, 'J' for Jasper Place, 'N' for north, 'S' for south, 'R' for ring, and 'U' for U of A.

    Yellow Cabs were BLACK, with only the roof and the lettering in yellow.

    The elevator at the old Woodward's downtown, that had a full time operator as the doors were manually opened and shut at each floor.

    Edmonton Telephones as a staunch independent telco, complete with a fleet of orange & yellow vans.

    The pink 'Bohemian Maid' neon sign on the backside of the O'Keefe's brewery on Saskatchewan Drive that was clearly visible from the Kinsman Fieldhouse.

    The 'Pig'n'Whistle' restaurant, jewellry store, and a coin shop on Jasper Ave. before it became Amiskwaskahegen Park. (No, Kay Turner did NOT work there!)

    Edmonton Center was the 'Heart of the City' when it first opened with full color advertising in the Edmonton Journal.

    Pre-Triple Five era Westmount Mall, where Woodwards was split in two; clothing and the Famous Food Floor at the north end with furniture & electronics at the south end of the mall and all the stores in between. S. S. Kresge's with the long lunch counter and round stools. Your Coke was served from a fountain mounted on the counter in a cone-shaped paper cup in a heavy metal stand. The Hobby Horse, the old grouch that ran Mac's Dairy Lane, and Johnstone Walker with the 'bridge' and glass side entry doors.

    My dad's friend being a CHED 'Good Guy' for a day.

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    I remember when:

    - Fishing for trout at Mayfair Park. Do they even stock trout at Hawrelak Park anymore?

    - The Barbara Kelly Show on ITV.

    - The Wes and Wilkie show on ITV.

    - Morocraft Hobby Store on Whyte and 108 st. My brother and I would buy flying model airplane kits there.

    There was also a Roundhouse Hobby store where the Strathcona Shopper's Drug Mart is now located. That place had a cool slot car track in the back of the store.

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    I remember:
    - The original Hayden's Furniture with the old lady in the rocking chair
    - The owners of Ceilis wanting to turn the neighboring Future Shop into a mega-bar
    - The Bronx
    - an "apocalyptic cafe" on 104 St

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    Bill Comrie's Furniture Warehouse on 109th; before buying the old Civic Tire building on 101ts and renaming it "The Brick".

    Hub Home Furniture on Stony Plain Road & 151st.

    Discount Sams on Jasper. (with his 'El Kabonger' knocking down prices)

    The Jasper Place Department Store.

    Edmonton Auto Spring works near 97st.

    Watching ITV on its inaugural night in 1974; after 15 minutes, then going off-air for two hours due to technical difficulties.

    CBC's 'Hourglass' news show

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    I remember when:

    The Yellowhead Trail was a dirt road between 97 st and 106 st.

    The Yellowhead Trail was a dirt road west of 149 street, in front of the Yellowhead Inn, and the intersection was a four way stop.

    Going to the races at Westwind Oval on Winterburn Road.

    Sitting in the end zone at Clarke Stadium watching the Eskimos.

    Going to the Rialto Theatre on 101 street

    Playing outdoor community hockey. Taking care of the local rink, scraping the rink on Friday nights and then putting on a fresh layer of water.

    Going to watch the Oil Kings at the Edmonton Gardens.

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    Ate at the Commodore at 108/Jasper this morning, and
    it sort of reminded me of Mickey's in the old Greyhound Depot...
    Very cool

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    CFRN 3-TV

    - Sunwapta Sam
    - Popcorn Playhouse
    - the Flintstones @ noon
    - Siesta Cinema


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