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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    100% of the bike lanes cleared this AM before the morning commute, nicely done!
    Very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    100% of the bike lanes cleared this AM before the morning commute, nicely done!
    No objection to clearing bike lanes, but you should know meanwhile hundreds of people were stuck in situations like this:


    (Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...erta-1.4505247)

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    They're not related. Different equipment, different crews, different budget.
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    It looks like there's an accident on the up hill, then traffic is flowing much better.
    It's not all that likely that an extra pass with a snow plow would have helped. People who drive to fast for really bad conditions would most likely be driving to fast for slightly better conditions too, and causing the same kind of problems.

    What would really help is if a few more people would carpool in these kind of conditions. 10% fewer cars on the road on these days would make a world of difference in locations that don't have an accident blocking lanes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSPACE View Post
    They're not related. Different equipment, different crews, different budget.
    Except that it's all the CoE in the end, so this is really an attempt to deflect cricitism with semantics.
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    ^I was out from Downtown to Kingsway at around 11:30 this morning. Only road that had been plowed at all was Kingsway. Safe to say it's gonna take a while for snow crews to get at any roads, let along the one shown above.
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    Crazy how a little snow creates a conversation about evil bike lanes.
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    I heard that the city had over 120 pieces of road clearing equipment deployed this morning. If you think that the handful of machines clearing bike lanes were the difference maker for traffic backups you are mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Crazy how a little snow creates a conversation about evil bike lanes.
    I don't think bike lanes are evil, but the CoE Administration's overemphasis & fixation on them has had some definite impacts on snow removal & trumpeting their accomplishment at clearing them while the roads get worse-than-usual-and-that's-saying-something levels of service is tone deaf & not helping sell their message to the vast majority of Edmontonians who'll never, ever, ever be able to (much less willing to) commute via bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    It looks like there's an accident on the up hill, then traffic is flowing much better.
    It's not all that likely that an extra pass with a snow plow would have helped. People who drive to fast for really bad conditions would most likely be driving to fast for slightly better conditions too, and causing the same kind of problems.

    What would really help is if a few more people would carpool in these kind of conditions. 10% fewer cars on the road on these days would make a world of difference in locations that don't have an accident blocking lanes.
    No accident, just people stuck unable to get up the hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man From YEG View Post
    A colossal waste of money. Roads abysmal for vehicles and this kind of nonsense takes place.
    The vehicles I've seen clearing the bike lanes aren't the same kind that are used for clearing the roads. It's a bit like whining that traffic police are pulling over speeders instead of solving murders; they're two different things.

    Also, in my walk along the 83 Ave bike lane this morning there were a surprising number of cyclists that passed me (roughly 9-10 over 4 blocks). People are definitely out there riding, even in snowy weather.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Snow tires.
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    I think practically speaking we should designate bike paths multi-use trails if the sidewalk is inaccessible;
    people did that in Ottawa when the sidewalks were impassable. The trail along 105 avenue between 116 st and 109 st is already a multi-use trail, since there was never a sidewalk there, and I see people using it more the cyclists in the winter. We don't want to excuse homeowners and businesses the responsibility of clearing their sidewalks, but practically we know it doesn't always get done. There might be more acceptance of the bike trails if they were considered an always clear pedestrian winter highway. I doubt the city will ticket a pedestrian in the trail anyways, and a few pedestrians won't impeded cyclists in the winter. The trick would be getting pedestrians off of the trails in the summer, but I imagine most would rather be on the sidewalk in the eventuality, anyways.

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    https://twitter.com/tylergolly/statu...53860118290434
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    Heavy use of the #yegbikegrid today. It is so great to see the impact this inexpensive and rapidly implemented transformation has made on #Edmonton for residents and visitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    https://twitter.com/tylergolly/statu...53860118290434
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    Heavy use of the #yegbikegrid today. It is so great to see the impact this inexpensive and rapidly implemented transformation has made on #Edmonton for residents and visitors.

    That photo was not taken today (was posted Jan 25--presumably taken on or before that date).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    100% of the bike lanes cleared this AM before the morning commute, nicely done!
    No objection to clearing bike lanes, but you should know meanwhile hundreds of people were stuck in situations like this:


    (Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...erta-1.4505247)
    Concur in full. Roads were abysmal this AM and not acceptable on major routes.
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    Duplicate post.
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    ^^Alternatively, this photo could be labelled 'City of Edmonton staff stage photo-op.'

    Don't get me wrong. I support the Downtown bike grid network. For the most part, the grid was well executed and located on streets and avenues where there is no undue interference with other traffic.

    But I also have two good eyes. I walk along 106 Street and 102 Avenue during the morning and afternoon rush hour as well as during the lunch hour pretty much every week day. Most days this winter I don't see any cyclists along these stretches. Other days, maybe a cyclist or two. But four in tandem staged to look as if this is a typical occurrence during Edmonton winters. Give me a break.

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    There's far more traffic on 102 ave than on 106st. This is almost certainly the afternoon rush yesterday, when a few bikes at a light isn't uncommon.

    I've been one of 3-4 at a light a few times this winter and I'm rarely travelling at the peak of rush hour.
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    Will definitely have more counts as this becomes more of a common piece of infrastructure. When the real numbers come in when people adjust, but if I recall this pilot's timeframe is short and ends at the end of this summer?
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    2yr pilot. Looking forward to year 1 numbers in June/July.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    https://twitter.com/tylergolly/statu...53860118290434
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    Heavy use of the #yegbikegrid today. It is so great to see the impact this inexpensive and rapidly implemented transformation has made on #Edmonton for residents and visitors.
    That photo was not taken today (was posted Jan 25--presumably taken on or before that date).
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    Hopefully they will have lots of mental health professionals in attendance offering free psychiatric assessments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Isn't the High Level Bridge in the NW quadrant? What does the SW refer to?

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    Likely on the west side of the south end of the bridge?
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    Outstanding !

    That'll be an excellent kick-off to Top_Dawg's stellar weekend.

    On February 11 there's the Free Expression Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I heard that the city had over 120 pieces of road clearing equipment deployed this morning. If you think that the handful of machines clearing bike lanes were the difference maker for traffic backups you are mistaken.
    Exactly. We have $50m budget for snowclearing. Clearing some bike lanes first has nothing to do with anything.
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    Give two wheels a whirl on International Winter Bike to Work Day
    February 7, 2018

    Take your bike out for a spin this Friday and participate in Winter Bike to Work Day. The City of Edmonton’s bike street team will be out greeting cyclists on the High Level Bridge with hot chocolate, giveaways and fun activities to celebrate your winter cycling commute.

    Date: Friday, February 9
    Time: 7 - 9 a.m.
    Location: Southwest corner of the High Level Bridge

    Winter Bike to Work Day is a worldwide, friendly challenge where cities can compete by tracking trips taken that day online. Whether you’re new to winter cycling, or an experienced all-season rider, stop by and join in the fun and learn about cycling safely and comfortably year round. Don’t forget to wear warm layers, put on a helmet and cycle smart as you head out for your commute.


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    edmonton.ca/wintercycling

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    While I'm excited at the notion of bikeshare I wonder how many of the bikes are gonna end up abandoned in & around the homeless camp sites in the river valley.
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    That's the spirit.
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    Any feedback or report on International Winter Bike to Work Day? Good turn out? No turn out?
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    We were top 15 in the world for those that reported. There is an infographic somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    That's the spirit.
    Yeah, heaven forfend I want the amount of crap found in the homeless camps I routinely find & report in the valley to not go up just so the city can score some points with "progressive urbanists" such as yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    We were top 15 in the world for those that reported. There is an infographic somewhere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    While I'm excited at the notion of bikeshare I wonder how many of the bikes are gonna end up abandoned in & around the homeless camp sites in the river valley.
    Just saying, you need a credit card to access a bike on almost every bike share program, and if the bike is not returned that card gets charged. Friends/family living in Van and Montreal haven't heard it being an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Just saying, you need a credit card to access a bike on almost every bike share program, and if the bike is not returned that card gets charged.
    And this is a deterrent to bike theft how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Just saying, you need a credit card to access a bike on almost every bike share program, and if the bike is not returned that card gets charged.
    And this is a deterrent to bike theft how?
    Pretty sure they've also got some sort of tracking built in. At least some systems do, in order to let users know via app if/where bikes are available. That's a deterrent.

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    The trend is moving toward dockless for lower costs, and those ones do have that issue to a larger degree. Especially if there end up being multiple operators all trying to flood the market.

    Paris was on of the pioneering cities for this and they have had to deal with lots of bikes being dumped into rivers and canals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    Just saying, you need a credit card to access a bike on almost every bike share program, and if the bike is not returned that card gets charged.
    And this is a deterrent to bike theft how?
    Because the bikes are either docked into a rack and not released without a credit card linked to an account; or are heavy bikes with wheel locks and non-standard components. I expect that seats might disappear occasionally but not too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    Pretty sure they've also got some sort of tracking built in. At least some systems do, in order to let users know via app if/where bikes are available. That's a deterrent.
    Fantastic. Then they'll just throw them in the river once they get down to their camp, like what happened in Baltimore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    Because the bikes are either docked into a rack and not released without a credit card linked to an account; or are heavy bikes with wheel locks and non-standard components. I expect that seats might disappear occasionally but not too bad.
    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...913-story.html

    Worked out GREAT in Baltimore.
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    So why would a company repeat the same mistake after that happened in Baltimore? They'd improve it. Simple.
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    Good thing those suicide barriers were installed on the High Level.

    Top_Dawg can easily envision joy riders dive bombing bikes into the North Saskatchewan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post


    Good thing those suicide barriers were installed on the High Level.

    Top_Dawg can easily envision joy riders dive bombing bikes into the North Saskatchewan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWhy? View Post
    So why would a company repeat after that happened in Baltimore?
    Because it's generally worked in other places, including Hamilton which is probably the closest to a Canadian equivalent to Baltimore.
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    But it happened in 1 place, so it will definitely happen here too!

    How about let them try it? It's not your money if they get stolen, so why do you really care that someone's trying to bring it to Edmonton? If we're afraid of the "what ifs" nothing will ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    But it happened in 1 place, so it will definitely happen here too!
    Not saying it will happen, just that I've got some concerns. Dial back the hyperbole.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    How about let them try it? It's not your money if they get stolen, so why do you really care that someone's trying to bring it to Edmonton?
    Because I'm already tired of shopping carts & stolen bikes around the camps in the river valley & don't want to see more?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    If we're afraid of the "what ifs" nothing will ever happen.
    I'm concerned, not afraid. Once again, dial down the hyperbole.
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    I'll dial back the hyperbole if you dial back the magnification of the Baltimore example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I'll dial back the hyperbole if you dial back the magnification of the Baltimore example.
    Bringing it up twice in two consecutive posts as an example is "magnification"?

    Gotta love how despite me initially stating I was excited but had some concerns about the bikes contributing to an ongoing issue in the city that affects me I'm now "afraid" of bikeshare & am beating the Baltimore drum too much?

    Evidently only slavish praise & unfettered support is appropriate?

    Ye gods, get a grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex.L View Post
    I'll dial back the hyperbole if you dial back the magnification of the Baltimore example.
    Bringing it up twice in two consecutive posts as an example is "magnification"?

    Gotta love how despite me initially stating I was excited but had some concerns about the bikes contributing to an ongoing issue in the city that affects me I'm now "afraid" of bikeshare & am beating the Baltimore drum too much?

    Evidently only slavish praise & unfettered support is appropriate?

    Ye gods, get a grip.
    Not at all. As with anything on the internet tone is a grey-area, so I likely misread the tone and if that's the case I apologize. There are a lot of people on this board who are negative about everything, so maybe that's just how I read the board by default now. I must have missed the post where you said you were supportive but had concerns.

    As for the afraid comment, that was meant to be more in a general sense. I just don't like slamming the door on a project because of hypothetical and/or potential issues, which seems to happen a lot in this city.

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    On the other hand, we've also got a city administration that's constantly dealing with "unexpected issues" that were brought up on day 1, so perhaps a modicum of thinking before doing would provide some benefit?
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    Definitely. Constructive, thoughtful criticism is always welcome. The typical 'sky is falling, won't someone think of the children' stuff bothers me.

    Not saying that's what you were doing. I have a better understanding of your stance now.

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    Bike share can definitely fill a niche in the transportation network. I have used it in Ottawa and it was a great way to see the city. I checked out a number of places that I wouldn't have on foot. If designed and implemented properly it can be very useful for short trips and can also encourage tourists to explore the city. Looking forward to seeing this set up in Edmonton.

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    Any plans for a bike lane to the funicular? It's not the easiest thing to bike to at the moment.

    I'd suggest extending the bike lane from 100 ave around the bend by Edmonton house and along MacDonald Drive (mixed use in parts). Add a new pedestrian bridge starting above McDougall Hill Lookout connecting to the funicular site.

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    Neat read. Thanks, Ian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolo View Post
    Any plans for a bike lane to the funicular? It's not the easiest thing to bike to at the moment.

    I'd suggest extending the bike lane from 100 ave around the bend by Edmonton house and along MacDonald Drive (mixed use in parts). Add a new pedestrian bridge starting above McDougall Hill Lookout connecting to the funicular site.
    Yes. There will be a temporary solution this year, permanent solution to connect the funicular to the grid when Jasper Avenue 96 to 100 St is redone starting spring 2019.
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    "The only way Edmonton is going to become a walkable, bike-friendly city with great mass transit is if we stop making mistakes with our transportation system."

    Ie: The Valley line??!?! The NAIT line?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenSPACE View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bolo View Post
    Any plans for a bike lane to the funicular? It's not the easiest thing to bike to at the moment.

    I'd suggest extending the bike lane from 100 ave around the bend by Edmonton house and along MacDonald Drive (mixed use in parts). Add a new pedestrian bridge starting above McDougall Hill Lookout connecting to the funicular site.
    Yes. There will be a temporary solution this year, permanent solution to connect the funicular to the grid when Jasper Avenue 96 to 100 St is redone starting spring 2019.
    Good to hear, I was just trying to plan a route between DT and Capilano. Everything is hanky dory south of the river, but getting from Low Level to the bike grid is a mess.

    So far it seems the best method is to cross Low Level, take the funicular and somehow get onto Jasper westbound.

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    I was just trying to plan a route between DT and Capilano
    The best route is to cross the Capilano footbridge at 50th street, and then ride west along Ada boulevard to the LRT multi use trail. It's by far the easiest with the least elevation loss/ gain and on quiet streets and segregated paths for the most part.
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    It would be a little longer but staying on the north side of the river and then crossing at 50th st. would work too.

    edit: jinx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    It would be a little longer but staying on the north side of the river and then crossing at 50th st. would work too.
    It's actually not longer. I've timed it from our place to work, both north and south of the river... they're both about the same but the south you have to deal with some ugly traffic and unfriendly roads, and a pretty steep hike up the river valley. North is almost entirely on quiet roads or separated trails and has a much less intense climb out of the valley.
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    I guess that depends on where in Greater Capilano you're heading to. You're right there's no good route on the south side, you're either in traffic on 106 or you'e up and down over riverside and under WGD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    I guess that depends on where in Greater Capilano you're heading to. You're right there's no good route on the south side, you're either in traffic on 106 or you'e up and down over riverside and under WGD.
    That’s true. I base my times on leaving the 106ave & 50th street area (close to the TGP shopping complex)

    I see people biking on 106 ave on our drive to work but I don’t think it’s the safest road for cycling in the morning. The people biking on it look like pretty avid and experienced cyclists.

    If I were to take a south route from that same start point I’d ride through Fulton and cross WGD on 101street. Take 101 through Forest Heights to the field south of McNally and hop on the multi use path that dips down into Cloverdale. Take that to LMP and up the bank from there
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    ^ That route worked well until LRT construction

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    Hmm when I say Capilano (knowing that Capilano proper is up by the river), I was referring to the mall/power centre. It is much more direct just taking 101 Avenue across and then into the ravine to LLB.

    And by DT, I mean Jasper and 104th/105th

    I'll have to experiment in the coming months.

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    I just submitted a request to add a trail notation on Goolgle Maps between the sidewalk by the funicular to the trail underneath the lookout. Even if the funicular and elevator are offline, you can use the stair to push your bike up it (although why the ramps are narrow and switch sides along the funicular staircase is another rant ). I would try that, and walk with the bike along jasper one block, then head south to MacDonald Drive, and a smidge further south after to 100 ave. From there you can ride to 104 st, and eventually connect to the bike lanes.

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    Road to Glenora last night at hour, amazing how much faster/efficient biking was. The 102Ave bikeway is fantastic. 15mins from 105/99ave-102ave-132st.

    Biked back and then headed south across the river to connect on 83ave and over to Whyte/Gateway. 20mins from 102ave/132st-82ave/gateway

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    I do think it's drawing people out that normally wouldn't bike downtown, whether on the weekend with their family, or as part of their regular commute. A few friends and family have mentioned they've been using it.

    On the downside, the bike lanes East of 109th are a total gong show. They're blocked by construction in numerous places, with seemingly little thought to accommodation other than simply closing them and telling cyclists to dismount. Which they almost never do. Around the Encore it is extremely frustrating to exit the alley or Beaver House parking lot as bikers are flying through the obstructed-view construction hoarding expecting drivers to have X-ray vision and see them coming at 20-30 km/h.

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    I wonder if anybody has considered a literal Park & Ride option connected to the bike grid. I'm thinking like a deeply discounted (or free) parking lot outside downtown where commuters could park, hop on a bike (bikeshare, byo-bike, rentals) and pedal the rest of the way.

    I bet it would be popular among the demographic that wants to ride but realizes that they live way too far away for it to be feasible (which is self-inflicted, I know).

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    The 0-Bahn is great and has made my commute to work much nicer. I used cut through Oliver Square to 112th street and head south but now I can burn straight south to 102nd Ave and straight east from there on paths all the way.

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    The 83 Ave bike lane has been nuts the past few days. In one block of walking I was passed by 15 bikes and a single car. This was at 7pm. I also love that I'm seeing young (3+) and old (65+) people on the bike lane, along with some skateboarders and scooters.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    The 83 Ave bike lane has been nuts the past few days. In one block of walking I was passed by 15 bikes and a single car. This was at 7pm. I also love that I'm seeing young (3+) and old (65+) people on the bike lane, along with some skateboarders and scooters.
    It's always the route I used, but the bike lane is a great addition to make it even more open to all riders.
    That said, still see lots of riders on Whyte headed east bound.

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    i commute from NAIT to the legislature during the summers, especially now because of the 20 min frequency for the Metro train.. anyways, compared to last summer, the roads are way better for bikes. i use the share use trail from 104 ave to kingsway, no problems. The seperated bike lanes on 105 ave, 106 street, 100 ave and on 102 ave through Oliver are all amazing. They make getting around so much easier. Also, any time i can get the chance to go down to the river valley and take the new funicular up to downtown, i take it! what a fun time. Havent spent much time on the south side, except around university and accross the high level. but, honestley, Strathcona has always felt safe for bikes.

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    Used the grid a few times in the past week, as well as 83 Ave bike lane. Very busy at times.
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    More bikes today on my 5 block to work than I have ever seen.
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    Some of the first data/reports of year/year changes in ridership.

    https://tpavlek.me/blog/2018/05/27/y...own-bike-grid/
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    Where did he get his data? There's no source citation.
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    There is open data available from the City I believe given that others have these odd graphs kicking around twitter from the COE as well.
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    Friday, May 25, 2018, about 4:00 PM, bikes waiting at a red light, during rush hour on the Oliverbaun:


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    Saw a photo of a road with a dedicated bike lane plus shared use markings on the road it paralleled.

    So when a road has “sharrow” chevron markings for bikes (in the non-special vehicle lane) plus a dedicated “special vehicle” bike lane right beside it between the road and the sidewalk, does it matter which one the bicycles use?

    According to the information below, it is preferred that the bikers ride in the shared lane and so in this case, it would not be in the dedicated bike lane.

    The person that sent the picture saw a person doing that - choosing to ride in the shared portion and not the dedicated bike lane portion.


    (Basically it’s a two lane road for non-special vehicles, one lane in each direction. Further up the road the bike lane disappears but not sure if there were sharrow markings further ahead.)


    http://vancouver.ca/streets-transpor...gulations.aspx

    “Diamond-and-bicycle symbol and sign for dedicated bicycle lanes

    Sign with diamond symbol for dedicated bicycle lanes Pavement marking of diamond symbol for dedicated bicycle lanesMotor vehicles, buses, and motorcycles are not permitted to travel or stop in this lane unless making a right turn onto a cross street. Transit buses may stop at designated stops.

    Diamond symbol and sign for special vehicle lanes

    Sign for special vehicle lanes Pavement marking for special vehicle lanesYou may ride your bicycle in lanes reserved for special vehicles like buses and carpools.”

    Shared lane marking - Wikipedia

    This marking is placed in the travel lane to indicate where people should preferably cycle.[1]
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    Cheap, easy bike rental now possible for Edmonton with zero capital dollars

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...apital-dollars

    Bike sharing has become so cheap, it could be rolled out downtown and around all of Edmonton’s suburban LRT stations at no cost to the city, say advocates.

    That would mean anyone with a cellphone could rent a bike for $1 an hour — increasing use of Edmonton’s new downtown bike lanes and giving people a new option to get to and from public transit.

    “Hundred per cent, that’s viable,” said Afraj Gill, co-founder of Toronto-based Dropbike, which is launching an 18-month pilot project with up to 1,500 bikes in Kelowna, B.C., in June.

    In Kelowna, Dropbike has adapted its technology to allow people with even a basic cellphone to unlock the rear wheel by text message. The GPS locator, locking mechanism and other technology is all on the bike, making it efficient and cheap compared to the millions of dollars bike sharing used to cost cities.

    People can pick up and leave the bike in any of Kelowna’s city-designated bike havens. If they don’t, they’re fined 50 cents to $1 and the bike has a bounty. The next person who finds the bike and returns it to a haven gets a $1 credit.
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    you have to love the difference...

    kelowna:

    Matt Worona, Kelowna’s active transportation co-ordinator, said it’s important the city set rules. His team designated havens roughly every 300 metres for bike parking in a 10 square kilometre area of the urban core.

    They decided to work with Dropbike for a pilot project, learn from the experience, then decide whether to sign a contract with a single operator or use a permit system.
    “We did very little off the top to get this going,” he said, estimating it took him three months working part-time.

    edmonton:

    city officials are starting to consider bike sharing, prompted by a motion by Coun. Aaron Paquette in April. They’re due to report back this fall with a viability assessment and a review of different types of bike-share systems by the end of 2019.

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    I found some of the rules here but it doesn’t seem to explain dual usage and the preference to ride to the left of a bike lane. In fact, it says bikes should ride in the right most lane if possible.

    Out of Toronto:


    Sharrows are also used through intersections and some merge zones to support straight-line cycling and to increase the visibility of cyclists.

    3. What do these sharrow markings mean for motorists?

    Sharrow markings are used to remind drivers to share the road with cyclists. Sharing the road means you should:

     only pass a cyclist where there is enough room to to do safely (at least one metre between motorist and cyclist),

     reduce your speed when passing a cyclist, and
     watch for cyclists when making lane changes and turns.

    Be aware that cyclists are vulnerable to different hazards than drivers (e.g. minor pot holes and debris), so give them space to manouvre. Even where there are no sharrows or bike lanes, motorists should always share the road.

    4. Where can I expect to see these sharrow markings?

    Sharrows are used in curb lanes, either adjacent to the curb or parked cars. You will also see sharrows painted in the middle of narrow lanes where there is not enough room for a cyclist and motorist to travel side-by-side.

    Sharrow markings are also used through intersections and areas where traffic merges, such as at highway on-ramps or intersections with multiple turning lanes. Sharrows are mostly found downtown where there are the greatest number of cyclists.

    5. Why are some sharrow markings in the middle of the travel lane? Aren’t cyclists suppose to move to the right?

    According to the Highway Traffic Act, cyclists travelling at less than the normal speed of traffic should ride in the right-hand lane when practicable, and as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway (Section 147.1). In some situations it may not be practicable or safe for cyclists to ride adjacent to the curb. For example, there may be debris or poor pavement in the curb area that poses a hazard to cyclists; or the lane may be too narrow for cyclists and motorists to travel side-by- side, so the cyclist may “take the lane” to discourage the motorist from passing too closely. In locations such as these, where the lane is too narrow for cyclists and motorists to travel side-

    by-side, the City has painted sharrows in the middle of the lane to encourage cylists to take the lane and to make drivers aware that cyclists are entitled to ride in the centre of the lane.

    6. Why are some sharrow markings in traffic lanes that have part-time parking? Can I park my car on top of sharrows?

    As part of a pilot project, sharrows are being used on College Street in locations where there there is part-time parking, and the parked cars cover the sharrow markings for parts of the day. During the time periods when there is no parking (typically during rush hour) the sharrows are visible to motorists and cyclists.

    Sharrows are being used in this way to improve cycling conditions during the busiest times of the day. In general, these “rush hour sharrows” will be used on streetcar routes where cyclists ride, but where there is not enough space to provide full-time sharrows or bike lanes.

    As always, parking and stopping is regulated by the signs you see on the street – not by pavement markings. You may park your car on top of sharrows during the time periods when parking is permitted, as indicated by the signs (typically during off-peak hours such evenings and weekends). If you stop, stand or park illegally you may receive a ticket and your vehicle will be subject to towing.

    The effectiveness of this “rush hour” sharrow marking design is being evaluated before it considered for use on other streets in Toronto.

    7. How are sharrow markings different from a bike lane?

    Bike lanes are a dedicated space for cyclists where motorists are not allowed to park, stop or drive. Bike lanes are painted on the road with bicycle symbols and a solid white line.
    In comparison, sharrows are used in lanes that are shared by motorists and cyclists. Travel lanes with sharrows do not have a separate white line indicating a dedicated cycling area. Instead, chevrons and a bicycle symbol are used to indicate where cyclists should ride, and where motorists should expect to see cyclists.

    8. If I see these sharrow markings, ...


    https://cycleto.ca/sites/default/files/SharrowFAQ.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    edmonton:

    city officials are starting to consider bike sharing, prompted by a motion by Coun. Aaron Paquette in April. They’re due to report back this fall with a viability assessment and a review of different types of bike-share systems by the end of 2019.
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    Putting sharrows on roads right next to bike lanes seems like something that unnecessarily encourages bicyclists to use either the shared road or the dedicated bike lane.

    Study: Sharrows Might Be More Dangerous to Cyclists Than Having No Bike Infrastructure - CityLab

    But far from giving cyclists a safer ride, or even doing nothing at all, sharrows might actually be doing some harm by tugging bikes into moving traffic. Some research has found they do reduce dooring (when the door of a parked car hits a cyclist). But only one study to date looked at whether or not sharrows had any impact on overall car-bike collisions—and that study found they could be increasing the risk of injury.”

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    Just in time for summer, the 102 Ave bike lane from at least 118 to 121 Street is closed for repaving.
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    When we were in San Diego in February we used Limebike to get back to our hotel. It was quick, easy and while the bikes weren't the best they got us where we were going far cheaper than a cab. Just got back from San Francisco and there are a number of companies competing with bikes like these and they appeared to be very well used. They also have electric scooters on the same model. I think those were even more well used than the bikes. People zipping all over on them. Here I already have my own bike so it's less likely I'd use it although I could see it if I was going somewhere where I was concerned about the security of my bike.

    As for the City waiting on reporting, what's to stop a company from just implementing this immediately? I understand the City wants to look at what regulations might be needed but are there any existing bylaws that would prevent it? I know in SF the city is only just now putting in some regs to deal with some of
    the problems they've had but the companies just started up on their own ASFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Saw a photo of a road with a dedicated bike lane plus shared use markings on the road it paralleled.

    So when a road has “sharrow” chevron markings for bikes (in the non-special vehicle lane) plus a dedicated “special vehicle” bike lane right beside it between the road and the sidewalk, does it matter which one the bicycles use?
    Why don't you share the photo in the thread? Also, was this in Edmonton, or somewhere else?

    I was a bit annoyed the other day as a cyclist was riding on the sidewalk alongside the bike lane, forcing some pedestrians to step to the side. He was on the opposite side from me, or I would have said something to him. There's absolutely no reason for him to be on the sidewalk alongside a bike lane.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    When we were in San Diego in February we used Limebike to get back to our hotel. It was quick, easy and while the bikes weren't the best they got us where we were going far cheaper than a cab. Just got back from San Francisco and there are a number of companies competing with bikes like these and they appeared to be very well used. They also have electric scooters on the same model. I think those were even more well used than the bikes. People zipping all over on them. Here I already have my own bike so it's less likely I'd use it although I could see it if I was going somewhere where I was concerned about the security of my bike.

    As for the City waiting on reporting, what's to stop a company from just implementing this immediately? I understand the City wants to look at what regulations might be needed but are there any existing bylaws that would prevent it? I know in SF the city is only just now putting in some regs to deal with some of
    the problems they've had but the companies just started up on their own ASFAIK.
    emphasis added...

    i'd think permitting and insurance would be the two prime reasons along with the placement of bike racks and/or ability to lock to municipal infrastructure...

    if you were going to rent one of the bikes, you would probably want to know you could lock it to a city bike rack or meter etc. without it being impounded whereas kelowna seems to have designated areas set aside to address that.

    if you had to rely on private lots for storage or parking, you would need to secure insurance for each of those locations in favour of each of the owners and their requirements would likely differ and be harder to meet.

    lastly, the operator would want to make sure it could secure a reasonable business license from the city that would make the business legal (and insurable). they are going to want to be treated as a small business doing business from a single location and not have to take out a business license for every location that would offering bike parking/storage/rental/pickup. they are also going to want to know that the city isn't going to require every rental bike to have a license plate and registration etc. at a cost prohibitive to the business model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Saw a photo of a road with a dedicated bike lane plus shared use markings on the road it paralleled.

    So when a road has “sharrow” chevron markings for bikes (in the non-special vehicle lane) plus a dedicated “special vehicle” bike lane right beside it between the road and the sidewalk, does it matter which one the bicycles use?
    Why don't you share the photo in the thread? Also, was this in Edmonton, or somewhere else?

    I was a bit annoyed the other day as a cyclist was riding on the sidewalk alongside the bike lane, forcing some pedestrians to step to the side. He was on the opposite side from me, or I would have said something to him. There's absolutely no reason for him to be on the sidewalk alongside a bike lane.
    Sorry, not mine to share. I don’t even know where in the city it was. But it was Edmonton.

    As for riders riding everywhere. Maybe just a case of ride to rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    When we were in San Diego in February we used Limebike to get back to our hotel. It was quick, easy and while the bikes weren't the best they got us where we were going far cheaper than a cab. Just got back from San Francisco and there are a number of companies competing with bikes like these and they appeared to be very well used. They also have electric scooters on the same model. I think those were even more well used than the bikes. People zipping all over on them. Here I already have my own bike so it's less likely I'd use it although I could see it if I was going somewhere where I was concerned about the security of my bike.

    As for the City waiting on reporting, what's to stop a company from just implementing this immediately? I understand the City wants to look at what regulations might be needed but are there any existing bylaws that would prevent it? I know in SF the city is only just now putting in some regs to deal with some of
    the problems they've had but the companies just started up on their own ASFAIK.
    emphasis added...

    i'd think permitting and insurance would be the two prime reasons along with the placement of bike racks and/or ability to lock to municipal infrastructure...

    if you were going to rent one of the bikes, you would probably want to know you could lock it to a city bike rack or meter etc. without it being impounded whereas kelowna seems to have designated areas set aside to address that.

    if you had to rely on private lots for storage or parking, you would need to secure insurance for each of those locations in favour of each of the owners and their requirements would likely differ and be harder to meet.

    lastly, the operator would want to make sure it could secure a reasonable business license from the city that would make the business legal (and insurable). they are going to want to be treated as a small business doing business from a single location and not have to take out a business license for every location that would offering bike parking/storage/rental/pickup. they are also going to want to know that the city isn't going to require every rental bike to have a license plate and registration etc. at a cost prohibitive to the business model.
    In SF and San Diego the bikes aren't locked to anything. You park them on the sidewalk and the back wheel locks itself. As long as they're left on public property it's fine. Is there a regulation here that you can't park a bike in particular areas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gord Lacey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Saw a photo of a road with a dedicated bike lane plus shared use markings on the road it paralleled.

    So when a road has “sharrow” chevron markings for bikes (in the non-special vehicle lane) plus a dedicated “special vehicle” bike lane right beside it between the road and the sidewalk, does it matter which one the bicycles use?
    Why don't you share the photo in the thread? Also, was this in Edmonton, or somewhere else?

    I was a bit annoyed the other day as a cyclist was riding on the sidewalk alongside the bike lane, forcing some pedestrians to step to the side. He was on the opposite side from me, or I would have said something to him. There's absolutely no reason for him to be on the sidewalk alongside a bike lane.
    Sorry, not mine to share. I don’t even know where in the city it was. But it was Edmonton.

    As for riders riding everywhere. Maybe just a case of ride to rule.
    Maybe a link to the photo, then?
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    the city's website [ https://www.edmonton.ca/transportati...e-parking.aspx ] says "Public bicycle parking along road right-of-way is provided throughout the city and typically occurs along major commercial roads like Whyte Avenue and Jasper Avenue and near businesses or institutions." my concern if ii were looking to set this up would be whether those bikes waiting to be rented are considered to be parked or whether they would be considered to be on display/stored until rented. at a minimum, i would want something similar to pogo's car-sharing agreement allowing the vehicles to be parked exempt from the "typical" interpretation of municipal regulations regarding what complies and what doesn't.
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