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    The first blocks of the 105 ave route are now open, from 105 to 109 streets. Other than the "cyclist dismount" signs for the detour around a sewer line pit at 107st where the detour is wider than the High level bridge path it's not bad. Lots of bikes on it already - probably as many bikes as cars for much of the day.
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    Took the whole grid on Saturday for the bike party to all 5 pit stops. Very well organized, had a great time exploring the grid.

    City will have to work on transition from bike lanes on 105 avenue to MacEwan LRT to 101 St. where it becomes a shared used path/sidewalk on the north side of 104 avenue. Even I was confused. Lots of signage, just need a few more arrows.
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    In the long run there will have to be changes at macEwan Station, the track crossing is far too narrow, and the route has some pinch points that aren't really safe and will get worse as bike traffic increases and LRT frequency and use go up.

    There's enough traffic for a separate path, just like there's enough foot traffic for a proper sidewalk west of 109st. Much Better than nothing, but looking forward to he next step none the less.
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    City bike route map. It's amazing to me how many gaps there are. Castle Downs, for example, has a number of routes just a few blocks separated from each other. There's many, many more like that.

    https://www.edmonton.ca/transportati...ikeMap2017.pdf

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    Is there any kind of bike trail that connects Mill Woods to the rest of SE Edmonton? I don't see any on 50 Street or 75 Street.

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    I don't know that there are any good routes anywhere. The gaps are right in those places where infrastructure is needed most. It's coming, though.
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    Are these places not connected by roads and sidewalks?
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    Usually, but for the vast majority of us a 60km/hr roadway, or even a 50km/hr arterial isn't an option on a bike. for someone without a car it might as well not exist.

    Sidewalks, besides the legal issues, don't exist everywhere either, especially through older industrial areas where there often aren't any reasonable side-road routes.
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    Ah yes, industrial, I don't even like driving my car through those places full of big Bubba wagons.
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    Good numbers, none the less. Thanks, Ian.
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    I wonder if the bike paths will be busier with school back on.
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    Absolutely they should be. There has been a big push to ensure that post-secondary students know of them and use them.
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    Love it all. Good posts.
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    Is anyone shocked that this bit of gold is from a SUN writer?
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/09/0...little-of-that

    So far, $8 million has been spent by the city on downtown bike lanes.

    With apologies to Sir Winston Churchill: Never has so much been spent, on so few, for so little in return.

    Here’s a cost-recovery suggestion. Impose a $10 a year municipal licence fee on ALL bicycles to cover the cost of bike lanes — including the bike in your garage you ride once a year. Imagine the squawk!
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    $8 million for 7.8 km of dedicated, separated bike infrastructure, which includes new traffic signals and other improvements and beautifications to an urban core. I think we all know how taxes and fees work to pay for such infrastructure on this forum.
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    Reminder, more than 50% of said $8mil is for a new signalling system that was desperately needed for ALL types of vehicles.

    The fact that we are even debating the need/desire/importance of more modal options, especially low-cost, healthy, no-carbon ones is amazing. We are the last major city in Canada to have this people, come on now.
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    I wonder if the Sun would have preferred taxi lanes instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Reminder, more than 50% of said $8mil is for a new signalling system that was desperately needed for ALL types of vehicles.

    The fact that we are even debating the need/desire/importance of more modal options, especially low-cost, healthy, no-carbon ones is amazing. We are the last major city in Canada to have this people, come on now.
    Not really a bike lane issue per se, just the typical public infrastructure costing absurd amounts of money. Just like the 150k quote for a staircase in Toronto that some private citizen built for $500. How much money should it really cost to paint a bike lane? $4 million?

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    ^Not just paint. Hence $$
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    There also needs to be some context when people complain about this 7.5 million dollars. I believe Edmonton recently committed to spending 400 million dollars ($20 million a year for 20 years) to pave alleys!!!!!! The world is changing but we have to realize that a great many dinosaurs live in Edmonton - there's a reason we are the last major city in Canada to move ahead with some kind of bicycle infrastructure. It is needed in this city and hopefully it will get built over the next few years. We'll never be the Netherlands but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have some bicycle infrastructure that is connected and allows cyclists to get around the city.

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    ^Paint, plastic bollards, concrete blocks and some potted plants. That's not $4 million bucks. It's the consultants and experts and 10 painters, 100 painter supervisors, 200 people to hold signs up so painters don't get run over, etc....

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    So how is that downtown segment doing anyway? Are there traffic counts?

    I know the 102 Ave segment is stalled and collecting leaves because of the stretch between 121 and 124 St. that's just today seeing pavement punched for tear-out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Is anyone shocked that this bit of gold is from a SUN writer?
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/09/0...little-of-that

    So far, $8 million has been spent by the city on downtown bike lanes.

    With apologies to Sir Winston Churchill: Never has so much been spent, on so few, for so little in return.

    Here’s a cost-recovery suggestion. Impose a $10 a year municipal licence fee on ALL bicycles to cover the cost of bike lanes — including the bike in your garage you ride once a year. Imagine the squawk!
    As long as they also allow the city to impose a tax on every motor vehicle for the cost of road upgrades & expansion and maintenance as well. Imagine the squawk!

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    I had a chance to check out the newly upgraded 127 St. bike path last night (it is very close to being opened). It looks great and should provide a really nice North-South route in the Westmount area. However, it needs better linkages with East-West routes to the downtown bike network in my opinion. I hope the city moves quickly in tying the new bike lanes together to create a more cohesive network. It would require very little work in some cases. It's really a matter of providing safer intersection crossings and filling in some gaps in a few places.

    For example, I think it would be relatively easy to upgrade 105 Ave. from 127 St. to the shared use path behind the Brewery District and this would provide a continuous route all the way to MacEwan and the Ice District from Westmount. There needs to be a better crossing at 124 St. and the rest of the route could easily accommodate a physically separated bike lane or traffic calming like the 83rd Ave. section East of 99 St. in Strathcona.

    Anyway, those are just a few of my thoughts after cycling from Oliver to North Glenora last night. I would like to hear other people's suggestions for improving the bike network. The network has come a long way in the last couple of years and I think with a few upgrades it could really attract a lot more people that want to cycle but currently don't feel comfortable doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    So how is that downtown segment doing anyway? Are there traffic counts?

    I know the 102 Ave segment is stalled and collecting leaves because of the stretch between 121 and 124 St. that's just today seeing pavement punched for tear-out.
    Yeah, I'm not sure why that 121 to High Street section is taking so long. I know there was some utility work that needed to be completed before they could do construction there so maybe they are still waiting for that work to be completed. I hope to see work on it soon. I think the completion of the 102 Ave. bike route will provide a significant boost in ridership on the downtown bike network.

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    It may be done in time for winter so it can sit largely unused for the next 6 months. Like Paul Kane Park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.D View Post
    I had a chance to check out the newly upgraded 127 St. bike path last night (it is very close to being opened). It looks great and should provide a really nice North-South route in the Westmount area. However, it needs better linkages with East-West routes to the downtown bike network in my opinion. I hope the city moves quickly in tying the new bike lanes together to create a more cohesive network. It would require very little work in some cases. It's really a matter of providing safer intersection crossings and filling in some gaps in a few places.

    For example, I think it would be relatively easy to upgrade 105 Ave. from 127 St. to the shared use path behind the Brewery District and this would provide a continuous route all the way to MacEwan and the Ice District from Westmount. There needs to be a better crossing at 124 St. and the rest of the route could easily accommodate a physically separated bike lane or traffic calming like the 83rd Ave. section East of 99 St. in Strathcona.

    Anyway, those are just a few of my thoughts after cycling from Oliver to North Glenora last night. I would like to hear other people's suggestions for improving the bike network. The network has come a long way in the last couple of years and I think with a few upgrades it could really attract a lot more people that want to cycle but currently don't feel comfortable doing so.
    100% agree on the 127 Street bike lane. I haven't used it since the upgrade but I usually commute along there all summer so I am very familiar with the route. The 124 Street crossing is by far the worst part of the commute, there is just no intuitive way to go and absolutely zero bicycle priority. I pretty much just have to wait for a gap in traffic (good luck in rush hour).

    Also, are they changing the signal timing along 127 Street to accommodate bicycle speeds instead? I usually find that I am hitting almost every red light because the signals are timed for motor vehicles not bikes.

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