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    Why do we need a million more square feet of retail space?
    Are our stores already so busy no more customers can fit in them?
    Do we have so much staff we need to build more stores for them to work in?
    Are our existing stores making so much money we need to spread it around?
    Are there people that live in that area that can not get to a retail outlet?
    Retail development does not equal growth, it just redistributes spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfangled View Post
    A look at google is really helpful.

    The "walkable" area of the Currents can be viewed as several separate mini-commons. And each of those has forms that can easily be found in SEC.

    There will be the women's fashion common - picture the guess/buffalo/claiborne/ricki's section of SEC. That will probably be joined by a second and third women's fashion common - although those will be more nichey like the addition-elle/maternity section of SEC.

    Then there will be a decor common - similar to the Pier1/Stokes/(former)Bomaby/Urbanbarn area.

    There wil be a fast-food common - similar to the Pitapit/Quiznos/marbleslab/subway area. And near it will likely be the youth-focused common - with HMV/EBgames/Sony.

    And spread throughout these mini-commons will be the usual mix of banks, cellphone stores, salon/jeweller/flowers/healthfood/cards/etc.

    And each mini-common will have one of either a Timmies/SecondCup/Starbucks.

    And of course sit-down restaurants are of little use to shoppers, and most diners aren't simultaneously shoppers, so the restaurants are all out of the way and grouped together - similar to Joeys/OPM/Montanas.

    And all of that will have easy drive-in, drive-out access, just like SEC.

    But in the centre, surrounding a park that's the size of a bank branch, in an area that no one needs to go, will be a dozen pedestrian only CRUs. It will be a pedestrian wonderland. What will go in there? A boutique nailcare place? Or a boutique realtor? Maybe a boutique registries office? Or maybe even a boutique tax preparation firm. The possibilities are endless and thrilling.

    To assume that this will work for pedestrians assumes that the developer will get it right. But they've never done it before, and as SEC shows they haven't even figured out how to design properly for cars yet, so good luck with that.

    And, for anyone saying this area may one day be redeveloped a la Century Park - remember that this area is probably in one of the worst possible locations for a distant-future LRT line. So it will have to be one of those high-end brt-oriented developments.

    There's really not much new here. There's certainly not much to expect people to behave any differently than they do at every other powercentre or mini-mall.
    Will there be similar retailers / brand names that are currently in SEC, absolutely. However, as mentioned by Ian, there is a good chance that we will see other nationals that aren't in SEC.

    Will consumers who come to Currents 'behave' differently, no. I never stated that either. What I did state and explain is that from a building configuration and site design perspective, the majority of the CRU's have been oriented in a more pedestrian-friendly manner. They do not front onto large parking lots and are not sporatically located throughout the site. You haven't refuted this point at all newfangled.

    And I acknowledge that the larger format retailers on the periphery are configured exactly like any other typical suburban retail center. This is not the basis of my argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    Why do we need a million more square feet of retail space?
    Are our stores already so busy no more customers can fit in them?
    Do we have so much staff we need to build more stores for them to work in?
    Are our existing stores making so much money we need to spread it around?
    Are there people that live in that area that can not get to a retail outlet?
    Retail development does not equal growth, it just redistributes spending.
    Because people have money.
    From a market perspective, this is good.
    No
    Yes, different areas of the city demand retail services.
    Many shoppers don't go to outlets
    It doesn't equal growth, it responds to it (income, population growth, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oscar View Post
    It will draw upscale retailers for sure. They will set up shop in the sticks and keep Downtown void of good retail for decades to come.
    Ha, unless you think Holts, Henry Singer, Escada, etc plan to uproot from downtown, I wouldn't hold your breath cowboy. Two different market areas altogether.

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    I agre with ChrisD. I think you'll see more upscale, national and international retailers moving downtown over the next few years, especially as the new condo and related developments come on stream. And if a new arena/casino/hotel development is built, you'll see an even more vibrant area.
    Almost always open to debate...

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    If you want more retailers downtown, why are we building a new development on the edge of town.
    If we want walkable vibrant areas, why are we building huge retail complexes on the edge of town
    I have never been in a store and thought wow this store is so busy I should go wait outside
    Retail development involving national or international companies are not good for our community
    Disposable income leaves our region and the economic benefits are minimized - instead of maximized

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    If we know better - why can't we build better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    If we know better - why can't we build better?
    The SW is one of the wealthiest parts of the city. A lot of cars, trucks and SUV's right now, comuting to SEC. Doesn't it make sense to reduce that comute time? Won't that help the environment, instead of being stuck on AHD or Whitemud, they will be doing a quick hop back and forth to this complex.

    It just makes sense to have developments like this in all corners of the city, so that people don't have to drive around the whole city to get to them. It's fine to preach about the beauty of small boutique shops in downtown and similar (which will do fine IMO with more people living downtown), but your stuggling middle class family doesn't have the wealth, or time, to buy their supplies there, hence the need for these boxes within a reasonable driving distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    If we know better - why can't we build better?
    Plus, none of us are building it... a developer is, and the developer is out to make money, or else they wouldn't be building it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^i do...

    malls cost a lot of $ to build, these dont in relative terms and are far more "flexible" for when "lifestyles change"

    But from a customer standpoint.... That's what I don't get. Ultimately it comes down to where customers are going to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    If we know better - why can't we build better?
    The SW is one of the wealthiest parts of the city. A lot of cars, trucks and SUV's right now, comuting to SEC. Doesn't it make sense to reduce that comute time? Won't that help the environment, instead of being stuck on AHD or Whitemud, they will be doing a quick hop back and forth to this complex.

    It just makes sense to have developments like this in all corners of the city, so that people don't have to drive around the whole city to get to them. It's fine to preach about the beauty of small boutique shops in downtown and similar (which will do fine IMO with more people living downtown), but your stuggling middle class family doesn't have the wealth, or time, to buy their supplies there, hence the need for these boxes within a reasonable driving distance.
    I am not an environmentalist - I don't know what the effects of the cars would be verses the long term effects of the paving, parking and building - I suspect this new retail center will get traffic from every side of the city, so I don't think it will really reduce driving times.

    I don't like to preach about boutiques - I think it is unfortunate that local & independent ownership has been pushed to the fringes of retail - specialty stores, boutiques etc

    Maybe we would not have so many struggling middle class families if we had more local ownership and local decision making.
    Maybe if we spent our money in ways that maximized the economic activity - and looked at the cost and benefits to our community, instead of just to ourselves, we would have a more prosperous & vibrant community.
    Long term - global retail development (big box for the most part) reduces jobs within our community, reduces local economic activity, leads to higher rates of poverty, displaces exsisting businesses, reduces wages and benefits, increases traffic and reduces social and civic well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindseyT View Post
    But from a customer standpoint.... That's what I don't get. Ultimately it comes down to where customers are going to go.
    I think malls also ultimately hit a saturation point. They'd been around for a few decades, and they were in every corner of the city (and every corner of every city).

    The market had stratified, so you had successful malls and failed malls, and ghetto malls and seniors' malls and fashion malls and every kindof mall.

    If you were looking to build a mall in Edmonton in the mid-90's, where would you have gone, and what position would you have taken in the market?

    So instead, Commons start to pop up. They're the hot new thing. Cheap to build, catering to box stores and hyper-individual, hyper-lazy SUV culture.

    Now it's 15 years later and Commons are everywhere. It will be interesting to see how the Common market stratifies, and how they carve out various niches.

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    I suspect this new retail center will get traffic from every side of the city, so I don't think it will really reduce driving times.
    I HIGHLY doubt this. Have you looked at the Anchor Tenants?

    Wal Mart Supercenter
    Canadian Tire
    Home Depot


    Anyone who needs to go to these, or the other 'common area' stores will simply drive to the area of the city that has them.

    West end? All the stores are there along SPR and in Terra Losa.
    South end? All the stores are there in SEC and along Gateway.
    North side? You pick of Skyview or Clareview.

    Plus Spruce Grove, Sherwood Park, And St. Albert have all the same stores in simular groupings.

    The only reason people from another part of the city would stop there is if they are driving by on AHD, and decide to make the stop. Nobody from the north end is going to plan a trip there on a whim...

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    I can't Wait for this to open, most importantly I will save on my contribution to green house warming by driving less and walking more!

    I just can't believe some of the posts here, comments in other areas about this board board being generally downtown centric with a huge case of tall building envey certainly seem true - for the most part.

    I love downtowns and tall buildings but I also accept the reality that what makes society and the urban environment great is diversity. This development appears to be an improvement over SEC and others of its ilk. Remember that developers just don't do something because they think it is good, they do it because that is what the market demands. If the market did not demand something like SEC it would not exist today. It thrives because that is what we want as a society.

    Oh by the way it is a mall, it just does not have a roof

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    Long term - global retail development (big box for the most part) reduces jobs within our community, reduces local economic activity, leads to higher rates of poverty, displaces exsisting businesses, reduces wages and benefits, increases traffic and reduces social and civic well being.
    That's your opinion, people have been against trade / competition for a long time. The reality is that trade makes societies wealthy, no nation ever got rich by trying to do everything itself, puting up a wall around its border. These box stores are popular right now, because they leave more disposable income in peoples pockets. That's income that can be spent on other things. Just because something is more efficient, it doesn't mean it is worse for the economy - typically the reverse applies, particularly when there is a labour crunch.

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    ^and...

    but perhaps what the market 'demands' is what's wrong to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^and...

    but perhaps what the market 'demands' is what's wrong to begin with.
    Not a fan of capitalism?
    Until there is a system that is either punitive towards, or you could argue, rightly reflects the large added cost of servicing and maintaining an ever outward growing City, this type of lifestyle will continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    I can't Wait for this to open, most importantly I will save on my contribution to green house warming by driving less and walking more!
    I can't tell if you're kidding or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    I just can't believe some of the posts here, comments in other areas about this board board being generally downtown centric with a huge case of tall building envey certainly seem true - for the most part.
    Who said anything about tall buildings in this thread?

    And what is wrong with being downtown-centric? Downtowns are the heart of any and every city. Downtown is where visitors come and go, where the bulk of our arts and culture are found, and are generally where the city comes together. Why should downtown not have focus when it is a focal point of the entire city? Mybe there's a reason we're downtown-centric.

    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    I love downtowns and tall buildings but I also accept the reality that what makes society and the urban environment great is diversity. This development appears to be an improvement over SEC and others of its ilk. Remember that developers just don't do something because they think it is good, they do it because that is what the market demands. If the market did not demand something like SEC it would not exist today. It thrives because that is what we want as a society.
    Or, maybe we've been told that these are the things we want as a society, rather than having decided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    Long term - global retail development (big box for the most part) reduces jobs within our community, reduces local economic activity, leads to higher rates of poverty, displaces exsisting businesses, reduces wages and benefits, increases traffic and reduces social and civic well being.
    That's your opinion, people have been against trade / competition for a long time. The reality is that trade makes societies wealthy, no nation ever got rich by trying to do everything itself, puting up a wall around its border. These box stores are popular right now, because they leave more disposable income in peoples pockets. That's income that can be spent on other things. Just because something is more efficient, it doesn't mean it is worse for the economy - typically the reverse applies, particularly when there is a labour crunch.
    That is not my opinion - that is what studies show.

    Global is not bad, and we need trade. There are different costs/benefits with locally owned businesses.
    Big Box are good for individuals & shareholders - cheaper prices and more profits
    Local ownership is good for communites - more local economic activity and diversity and in the long run better for individuals - better paying jobs and more diversity with in the community.
    More local distribution, opportunites for manufacturing etc.

    Global is very efficient, local can be or not - depends on the size.

    When you spend your money with a business that has ownership within a community - more of that money stays in the comunity. - that is just a fact.
    When you spend your money in a business that has no ownership within a community - more of that money leaves the community.

    The goal is to balance the two, so our community has a strong local vibrant economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessie View Post
    When you spend your money with a business that has ownership within a community - more of that money stays in the comunity. - that is just a fact.
    When you spend your money in a business that has no ownership within a community - more of that money leaves the community.
    .
    Let's take that a step further. What if every country in the world said tomorrow - you should buy oil produced in your community, not in someone else's?

    No-one would buy our oil, they would synthetically make it from expensive local coal or similar.

    It's a nice idea that consuming things that are locally owned is better for our economy, but it is totally false, if local owned production is inefficient relative to the things we are efficient at doing locally.

    It is called sharing - we don't have to own everything (although interestingly, in respect of box stores - Canadians do own many of them through their retirement plans and similar).

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    Trade has it's place - I don't argue that. We had very localized economies 30 - 40 years ago and we still had trade.
    I think the globalization has had some unexpected consequences, some good and some bad. We need to look at them.

    The costs & benefits of big box retail development are well researched.
    A variety of studies and summarys can be found at
    www.newrules.org/retail
    This site also has a number of other studies related to local economies

    Studies specific to big box
    www.bigboxtoolkit.com/index.php/Key-Studies/
    www.reclaimdemocracy.org/ walmart/big-box_studies_reports.ph
    www.amiba.net/pressroom/reversing_ big_box_policy

    Many regions in the US are limiting develepment of big box retail as a way to ensure the long term health of the region - maybe we should look at that.
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    Lot of focus on the 'mall/no mall' angle.
    There are other angles to consider.
    As this project goes forth, it will employ 3000 workers in the construction phase alone. Only a guess, but I'm betting that's local or mostly local contractors. How's that not contributing to the economy? And if it doesn't fly, has constant renovations, and/or runs it's course completely, there's another opportunity for employment onthe de-construction phase. No small number. Just my $0.02.

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    Lots of talk on this thread.

    I think some are just upset that developments like this are rewarding/justifying sprawl.

    However, we can't very well demolish all the homes outside of AHD ring road, they're already built.

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    ^ Some perspective...

    In favour of Architecture that is of our time and place.

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    sprawl, reliance on cars, encouraging big box development -

    Things we know are bad for communites, but "we" still do.

    high density, walkable , place based owership - things "we" talk about, but don't seem to do very well

    This is just one of the disconnects in our community and if we don't explore it (which I think this forum is for) how will we fix it?

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    ^people need to take more than 5mins out of their year to think about their lifestyle and choices. We dont all need to live downtown in condos and walk to work, but we do need to take REAL steps to curbing all of this curb.
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    In all honesty, I sure hope this as far south as this city sprawls. I like this development I just dislike the timing of it. It's counter productive of what the city has been saying they are trying to do with infilling though I realize the master plan for this development has been set for quite some time and before the city started seriously looking at infilling. One can only hope this is not what happens to the city center airport land when it is available for redevelopment.

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    What an interesting topic. I just moved to Edmonton from Vancouver and realized a BIG difference between the two cities. Vancouver is much more crowded (especially the west coast cities like Vancouver, Richmond, Burnaby etc) and has more specialty and local business owners . While there are big box retailers in Van, I haven't come across anything like South Edmonton Commons. I was amazed by that area when I visited IKEA!!

    I think it has to do how Edmonton is geographically situated. The city is pretty much flat. It can grow outwards in all directions (as it is evident in the growing communities surrounding Anthony Henday). A growing concern of mine is the lack of a centered development in downtown district. The city needs to deal with the infills in order to make its d/t district more attractive (huge parking lots around d/t area makes the city looks plain and deserted). Perhaps the city can take initiatives by giving out grants to encourage more small businesses in d/t area? like trendy boutiques, bars, lounges, dance clubs, restaurants, etc.

    Edmonton is HUGE by landmass. It's time to focus on improving existing areas within the city limit; or else the city will eventually look like suburbans than a metropolitan district.

    By the way, I am really enjoying Edmonton right now So convenient! So easy to get around. Not sure why Edmontonians complain about the traffic.. LOL (Vancouver is the worst!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubchaser View Post
    Edmonton is HUGE by landmass. It's time to focus on improving existing areas within the city limit; or else the city will eventually look like suburbans than a metropolitan district.
    Tell our mayor, who seems to want to prioritise LRT to the airport so that all the land from here, to there, can be turned into a suburb (although I have no doubt the "suburb" will pretend to incorporate Vancouver design principles, as it will be a giant "TOD" - an easy way to get approval in Edmonton is to put the letters "TOD" in front of anything).

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^people need to take more than 5mins out of their year to think about their lifestyle and choices. We dont all need to live downtown in condos and walk to work, but we do need to take REAL steps to curbing all of this curb.
    Ok, so if you're saying we don't need to live downtown, in condos and walk to work, what is your suggestion for those who wish to live out on the edges? Changes in housing typology? Built form? Neighbourhood design? I know what my suggestions for change would be.

    Councilor Iveson wrote a good letter to the editor discussing this subject in todays (Sunday) Edmonton Journal.
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    Well on the surface this new devellopement looks promissing but when you break it right down this project has the makings of just another power center. Maybe once it is built up completely it may prove me wrong but it appears to just be a bit fancier south common.

    The 3 different projects though that are looking interesting for that part of the city are:

    1. The new interchange being built just east of Windermere that looks like it will connect AHD, Windermere, and the residential area north of AHD.
    2. The new Edm Transit Garage being built right next to the interchange and Ellerslie Road
    3. The new Eco-Center being built right next to the ETS garage.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    1. Yes, that is the Rabbit Hill Road interchange.
    2. There will be a new transit garage at Rabbit Hill Road and Ellerslie.
    3. And a new eco-center.

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    Is there actually going to be access to AHD from RHR? I thought that was just going to be a flyover.

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    Yep, the interchange will provide all-directional access from RHR to AHD.

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    Snooping around the currents website, announcements for new stores in the power centre as of March 5th are Canuck Tire and London Drugs.opening in the fall of '10

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    Canadian Tire will be located right next door to Wal-mart. I happened to stop there this morning at the Tim's in Walmart. You know, I'm surprised there isn't a stand alone Tim Hortons or Starbucks at the Currents.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    I think this area will be like south edmonton common in a few yrs but one thing there will be lots of housing in the area too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Canadian Tire will be located right next door to Wal-mart. I happened to stop there this morning at the Tim's in Walmart. You know, I'm surprised there isn't a stand alone Tim Hortons or Starbucks at the Currents.
    I am suprised as well ,but give it time............ one or both will show up eventually! My guess will be Starbucks, since Timmies can utilize the WalMart outlet first, It's like the Starbucks way out towards River Cree off by itself in a half completed mini power centre off the Whitemud

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    There's supposed to be a new Cineplex-Odeon cinema complex there too, as some will remember - an 'upscale' one, as I recall, with four 'adult' theatres; that is, licensed. I have no idea what its status is.
    Almost always open to debate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnorwoodink View Post
    There's supposed to be a new Cineplex-Odeon cinema complex there too, as some will remember - an 'upscale' one, as I recall, with four 'adult' theatres; that is, licensed. I have no idea what its status is.
    Windermere or over by River Cree?

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    Very interested to see what the inner part of the Currents is gonna look like, from the video on the site it looks pretty cool. Also its nice to see Cabelas will be one of the anchor tenants opening up its second location in Canada.

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    I for one would like to see a Whole Foods open up in Windermere. instead of your basic Safeway, Save-On and the like. Since Walmart already sells groceries in their Windermere outlet. Whole Foods could compliment it once the pedestrian Town Centre aspect of the complex is completed like the Village at Park Royal in West Vancouver.
    The income level in that section of the city certainly could support it.
    Though a Whole Foods Market downtown would be my first choice........

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    Safeway has been announced...as has a Liquor Depot...

    Construction on the building that will house Second Cup, Opa's, Quizno's and Marble Slab is in full swing....Canadian Tire (with a full Marks Work Warehouse inside) and London Drugs opened 2 weeks back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoftGuy View Post
    Safeway has been announced...as has a Liquor Depot...

    Construction on the building that will house Second Cup, Opa's, Quizno's and Marble Slab is in full swing....Canadian Tire (with a full Marks Work Warehouse inside) and London Drugs opened 2 weeks back...
    Damn.

    I would like to see Whole Foods open up in Edmonton. Though I like Planet Organic to a point. I got spoiled with the Whole Foods at Park Royal in Vancouver. It made the trip across the Lions Gate on wet Sundays quite pleasant to shop in such a full service store, that and I loved the deli/takeaway meals.....

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    ^I think Whole Foods will expand to more Canadian cities. The only Canadian locations to date are in Vancouver (4 locations) and Toronto (2 locations).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    ^I think Whole Foods will expand to more Canadian cities. The only Canadian locations to date are in Vancouver (4 locations) and Toronto (2 locations).
    Only 2 of the 4 Vancouver locations are actually "real" Whole Foods the others are former local chain Capers. which Whole Foods bought in the early to mid 2000's While good they are smaller and not entirely full service.

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    Small side note. I noticed in Fridays Journal Cabelas is now advertising for management positions for the upcoming Edmonton store.

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    I loved Capers. I got quite spoiled with them a short walk away in West Vancouver. I heard Whole Foods moved the store to Park Royal after they bought it but haven't been back to see it. I can see a place like that being a great addition to the Windermere development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidM View Post
    I loved Capers. I got quite spoiled with them a short walk away in West Vancouver. I heard Whole Foods moved the store to Park Royal after they bought it but haven't been back to see it. I can see a place like that being a great addition to the Windermere development.
    My partner and I owned a condo off Cambie on Alberta St and there is a Capers at Cambie and West 16th but at the time they were also building a Whole Foods at Broadway and Cambie a few blocks away.

    I suspect that Whole Foods probably are doing what Best Buy/Future Shop do offer slightly different experiences for a slightly different demographic. Yuppies for Whole Foods and the truly Vegan, Natural Foods crowd at Capers.....
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    The location is odd to me though. I guess Windermere prides itself on being a sort of Yuppie demographic, but if people really cared about things wholesome and environment oriented, they wouldn't live in a suburb on some recently destroyed nature / farms driving to a strip mall / power store location for food. The planet organic location near whyte seems a better fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    The location is odd to me though. I guess Windermere prides itself on being a sort of Yuppie demographic, but if people really cared about things wholesome and environment oriented, they wouldn't live in a suburb on some recently destroyed nature / farms driving to a strip mall / power store location for food. The planet organic location near whyte seems a better fit.
    Vaild point. though the $$$ generally is in the Southwest..

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    "I guess Windermere prides itself on being a sort of Yuppie demographic"

    Wouldn't they be more aptly described as Ysppie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    "I guess Windermere prides itself on being a sort of Yuppie demographic"

    Wouldn't they be more aptly described as Ysppie?

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    Not retail obviously, but the new Cop Shop in Windermere seems to have begun construction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoftGuy View Post
    Not retail obviously, but the new Cop Shop in Windermere seems to have begun construction...
    damn cops make me nervous, i like southwest cause i hardly see them.

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    ... Having grown up there, they should have much more of a presence than they do... Mindbyou most of the issues are mischief or vandalism.
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    At least the police can reach a lot of locations from Windermere in a very short time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    At least the police can reach a lot of locations from Windermere in a very short time.

    Maybe the cop shop has something to do with the new hunting store that's opening.

    Hunting means shooting, no?

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    You are kidding right? Guns used in crimes are not bought at a hunting store, they are bought on the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadzia2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    At least the police can reach a lot of locations from Windermere in a very short time.

    Maybe the cop shop has something to do with the new hunting store that's opening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    At least the police can reach a lot of locations from Windermere in a very short time.

    Maybe the cop shop has something to do with the new hunting store that's opening.

    Hunting means shooting, no?
    oh my...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    You are kidding right? Guns used in crimes are not bought at a hunting store, they are bought on the streets.
    Are you sure about that?
    Studies show that 1 percent of gun stores sell the weapons traced to 57 percent of gun crimes. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the dealer that armed the DC area sniper is among this small group of problem gun dealers that "supply the suppliers" who funnel guns to the nation's criminals. (Between 1997 and 2001, guns sold by this dealer were involved in 52 crimes, including homicides, kidnappings and assaults. Still open today, it also can't account for 238 guns or say whether they were stolen, lost or sold, or if their buyers underwent felony-background checks.) As a result, these few gun dealers have a vastly disproportionate impact on public safety.

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    I bet some guns are sold by shady gun dealers in the US but if you think the city built a police station because there is a hunting store nearby, then you are delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilman View Post
    I bet some guns are sold by shady gun dealers in the US but if you think the city built a police station because there is a hunting store nearby, then you are delusional.
    I did not say that. YOU said guns in crimes are bought only on the street not in stores. YOU ARE WRONG.

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    I think you are wrong, guns a lot harder to get through legal channels in Canada than the US, how's the national gun registry doing again lol.

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    ok, enough guns... there is another thread for that.

    Let's get this back about the amazing development before us.
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    Cool amazing devolopment lol

    Yes lets keep on track here lol ( it's shot off in a few directions allready )
    So from what I see as an outsider to this kind of living ,it looks like a giant prefab nightmare , I doubt whole heartedly that the end result will look like the drawings.I see this being no different visually than SEC or any of the other 4 wheel fight clubs lol
    The planners had a bunch of money and an idea, but I'm sure it wasn't to come up with a great new place to be! or it would actually look nice...
    The only good thing I see coming out of this drywall and ashphalt pinkeye is that all these bankroll hippies will have one less reason to slow me down in my neighborhood.
    Like St Albert and Sherwood park it seems to me they are creating another community full of parents that let their illmanered kids run wild in the culdesaque, while they work in the city to pay for the big screen TV and hockey equipment.
    I have nothing against sprawl I just wish it didn't look so unimaginative and sterile.
    When they build these new areas they should give the people that live in them someplace to work ( not just their teenagers) like office buildings and industry .That way they dont always HAVE to leave the area and gridlock the expressways with their coming and going.
    *Just a thought

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    ^interestingly enough, I might disagree with you. Take Home Depot for example.... good landscaping, nice light polls, nature shrubs, greater attention to exterior.

    But... with this kind of development you can only do so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^interestingly enough, I might disagree with you. Take Home Depot for example.... good landscaping, nice light polls, nature shrubs, greater attention to exterior.

    But... with this kind of development you can only do so much.
    I agree that they can or will only go so far in regards to landscaping etc etc as it is a power centre with a town centre component or what ever they call it. But I'm going to guess that it will be superior to SEC just because it is going to be surrounded by residential. The SEC location is located along the railine and situated between Calgary Trail/Gateway Boulevard and Mill Woods in what was primarily an industrial area to begin with, They really did not have to worry about nearby residents.

    Any of the closest neighbourhoods to the west of the highway are screened by berms and soundwalls and basically just have a line of backyards facing outwards. The new developements surrounding Windermere are more likely to face it in some way so they will have to try harder to screen or beautify the complex as far as they can.

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    I believe that the area sandwiched between Ellerslie Road and the Henday from 156 St. to 127 St. is slated for light industrial/commercial. The big bus barn and the EcoCentre are already in there. Plus, of course, the southern extension of the LRT will run close to 127 St.
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    This is amazing.

    too bad it couldn't finish in time for Summer movies but Fall is good enough. Just in time for next year's oscar race.

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    So that will push tickets near $20? ridiculous, but hey, if there is a market...
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrellinyvr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidM View Post
    I loved Capers. I got quite spoiled with them a short walk away in West Vancouver. I heard Whole Foods moved the store to Park Royal after they bought it but haven't been back to see it. I can see a place like that being a great addition to the Windermere development.
    My partner and I owned a condo off Cambie on Alberta St and there is a Capers at Cambie and West 16th but at the time they were also building a Whole Foods at Broadway and Cambie a few blocks away.

    I suspect that Whole Foods probably are doing what Best Buy/Future Shop do offer slightly different experiences for a slightly different demographic. Yuppies for Whole Foods and the truly Vegan, Natural Foods crowd at Capers.....
    when whole foods opened the capers shut down and that old capers is now a shoppers drug mart - there are plans to open a 3rd whole foods in downtown vancouver somewhere - i have heard it will be under the granville street bridge area near yaletown... along pacific ave there
    they still don't compare to the US stores but they are better than nothing

    loblaws has also announced they will be opening a new grocery store downtown somewhere, not sure what brand of loblaws - probably a T&T, and pattision will open a grocery store in his new development on burrard either save-on-foods or price smart

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    I'm pretty excited about this Currents development, as I will soon be living directly across the Henday from it. Now I just need to find a bike path to cross.

    Note: I'm still not happy about being part of the sprawl, but I'll deal with it until I can afford something closer to the core.

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    thats a pic of the theatre in surrey

    there is some new theatre chain in the states - i think they came from australia - they were opening one in seattle - its $35! to see a movie there

    thats insane but you get VIP seating and practically a private box apparently and better food options etc.

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    Calling Currents at Windermere an "Urban Village" is as worse than my building be called an "Urban Village".

    That sea of parking is in no way part of an urban village.

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    Well if only they could have a proper bus terminal and an LRT station right in the middle of this development and try to at least hide some of the parking, it would be a step towards an actual urban village. Right now all it is, is a scaled down version of SEC that is catering to the rich population that is living and moving into the area.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadzia2000 View Post

    This is amazing.

    too bad it couldn't finish in time for Summer movies but Fall is good enough. Just in time for next year's oscar race.
    You've obvioulsy never been to one of these little VIP shoebox theatres in the East... the only "amazing" thing about them, is how readily some people are prepared to pay-more-for-less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    Well if only they could have a proper bus terminal and an LRT station right in the middle of this development and try to at least hide some of the parking, it would be a step towards an actual urban village. Right now all it is, is a scaled down version of SEC that is catering to the rich population that is living and moving into the area.
    Agreed It really is nothing but a "suburban" village, meaning a sea of cars parked amongst big box stores with a kernal of a streetscape in the centre located off a major freeway and poor bus/transit access.

    An urban village should be like the redeveloped Shops of Don Mills in Toronto where they ripped out a aging 60's mall and recreated an actual neighbourhood centre.

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    Actually - its a 15 minute bus ride from Century Park... I happen to work in the area, and surprisingly, when I take transit (from Oliver, where I live) its quick. It will be even better once they finish the rabbit hill road interchange.

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    The Currents at Windermere is not good enough for me.
    Please let me know when the Rapids at Windermere is announced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrellinyvr View Post
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    Well if only they could have a proper bus terminal and an LRT station right in the middle of this development and try to at least hide some of the parking, it would be a step towards an actual urban village. Right now all it is, is a scaled down version of SEC that is catering to the rich population that is living and moving into the area.
    An urban village should be like the redeveloped Shops of Don Mills in Toronto where they ripped out a aging 60's mall and recreated an actual neighbourhood centre.
    You do know that Don Mills is still surrounded by parking. I was there in November and think its a great redevelopment. All it needs is better transit access other than a bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Actually - its a 15 minute bus ride from Century Park... I happen to work in the area, and surprisingly, when I take transit (from Oliver, where I live) its quick. It will be even better once they finish the rabbit hill road interchange.
    True, the bus service is quite good to Century Park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Actually - its a 15 minute bus ride from Century Park... I happen to work in the area, and surprisingly, when I take transit (from Oliver, where I live) its quick. It will be even better once they finish the rabbit hill road interchange.
    Still suburban though! It makes Southgate look urban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
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    Well if only they could have a proper bus terminal and an LRT station right in the middle of this development and try to at least hide some of the parking, it would be a step towards an actual urban village. Right now all it is, is a scaled down version of SEC that is catering to the rich population that is living and moving into the area.
    An urban village should be like the redeveloped Shops of Don Mills in Toronto where they ripped out a aging 60's mall and recreated an actual neighbourhood centre.
    You do know that Don Mills is still surrounded by parking. I was there in November and think its a great redevelopment. All it needs is better transit access other than a bus.
    But it is not located in the periphery of Toronto unlike Windermere. Don Mills as a 50's era development (both housing and the former mall) are far more central than Windermere is. Yes it does have parking there will never be avoiding it, much like the Shops at Park Royal in West Vancouver still a outdoor mall with parking but again far more urban feeling than Windermere.

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    I thought they were going to build a best buy or future shop in the Windermere

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    ^ both....all in time...

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    Why do they need both a Future Shop and a Best Buy? They're the same company.
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    ^ sssshhhh don't let your average consumer know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrellinyvr View Post
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    Well if only they could have a proper bus terminal and an LRT station right in the middle of this development and try to at least hide some of the parking, it would be a step towards an actual urban village. Right now all it is, is a scaled down version of SEC that is catering to the rich population that is living and moving into the area.
    An urban village should be like the redeveloped Shops of Don Mills in Toronto where they ripped out a aging 60's mall and recreated an actual neighbourhood centre.
    You do know that Don Mills is still surrounded by parking. I was there in November and think its a great redevelopment. All it needs is better transit access other than a bus.
    But it is not located in the periphery of Toronto unlike Windermere. Don Mills as a 50's era development (both housing and the former mall) are far more central than Windermere is. Yes it does have parking there will never be avoiding it, much like the Shops at Park Royal in West Vancouver still a outdoor mall with parking but again far more urban feeling than Windermere.
    At one time Don Mills was at the edge of Toronto. In fact Don Mills was Canada's first master-planned community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoftGuy View Post
    ^ both....all in time...
    Not quite sure of that right now, only one may find their way there. Next up is Safeway and Swiss Chalet I believe.

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    ^ both....all in time...
    Not quite sure of that right now, only one may find their way there. Next up is Safeway and Swiss Chalet I believe.

    truthfully I prefer Bestbuy over futureshop.

    Service is better.

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    I think FutureShop has a logo on one of the Windermere signs on one of the big empty lots.

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    See? I knew I saw something on the map.

    I'd like to see more clothing stores too.

    Honestly. Not sure why we need a cabelos. I know Edmontonians like to camp and fish, but do we need a camping superstore?

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    ^ not just Edmonton, but this store attract people from interior and Northern BC, Saskatchewan and most of central and northern Alberta

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    ^ not just Edmonton, but this store attract people from interior and Northern BC, Saskatchewan and most of central and northern Alberta

    Yah. I guess that's a good point.

    I just checked their website. Not just hunting and camping.

    Pretty broad for the outdoorsy types.

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